WACO: The War Against Conservative Opinion

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The War Against Conservative Opinion (WACO) took an interesting turn on Saturday when liberal bloggers blamed right-leaning media members -- in particular, Fox News's Glenn Beck -- for the shooting deaths of three police officers in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Since then, MSNBC's Keith Olbermann and David Shuster have echoed this insanity on the air, as has CNN's Rick Sanchez who also pointed fingers at Fox News's Sean Hannity.

As my colleague Jeff Poor reported, this was Olbermann's rant during Tuesday's "Worst Person in the World" segment:

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You, Glenn Beck, you personally are encouraging Americans to shoot other Americans. Maybe, especially if you're right about your religion, maybe not this psychotic in Pittsburgh. Maybe he is not your fault. I hope not. But what about the next one, Glenn? You want to cry about something on television. Cry about the next one. Beg him to ignore you. Beg the kids the next one orphans to forgive you.

How disgraceful.

The previous day his colleague, David Shuster, made similar absurd accusations:

Up next gun sales are up, violence is back on the front page and conservatives are calling for revolution. Is the red hot rhetoric of the right helping foment something dangerous in this country?

Violence is back on the front page? Where did it go?

Sadly, this astounding display of journalistic irresponsibility by these two liberal shills isn’t the slightest bit surprising, for the network they represent is quite selective about what violence it considers newsworthy.

According to a LexisNexis search, after four police officers were killed in Oakland, California, on March 21 by a crazed lone gunman, none of that cable network’s prime time programs mentioned the incident even when Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, and Arnold Schwarzenegger attended the funeral along with 30,000 grieving Bay Area residents.

I guess it didn’t fit MSNBC’s political template as the tragedy couldn’t be blamed on conservative talkers.

Yet, MSNBC wasn't alone in jumping on this blame Glenn Beck and Fox News for the Pittsburgh shootings bandwagon, for CNN's Rick Sanchez made such a claim Wednesday while also accusing Sean Hannity:

The failing economy; the election of Barack Obama, the nation’s first minority -- minority president; and then there’s the garden-variety fear and hate mongering provided compliments of Fox News night in and night out. That’s where Glenn Beck is seen night after night, talking about doomsday, about the country coming apart, while his counterpart Sean Hannity calls the president a socialist, and worse, implying day in and night out that he’s trying to destroy America. Here’s an apparent result. Americans are scarfing up guns and ammunition at an alarming rate. Growing numbers of people appear to believe that the government wants their weapons.

Astonishing.

So what's the tragic logic on display here?

Brace yourselves: folks like Beck and other conservative talkers are inciting the lunatic fringe in the nation by having the nerve to suggest an anti-gun rights Democrat president along with an anti-gun rights Democrat Congress are going to enact anti-gun rights legislation.

What chutzpah!!!

In the end, what's important here is that a new strategy in the WACO has clearly begun, and people better sit up and take notice for the very folks attacking those defending the Second Amendment are disgracefully trying to restrict the First.

As the Obama administration and a Democrat-controlled Congress have more pressing things on their minds like taking over banks, limiting executive pay, and destroying capitalism as we know it, the rush to restrict conservative opinion on the radio by reinstating the Fairness Doctrine has not been as expeditious as the far-left hoped.

Sensing their dream of all radio stations resembling Air America was fading away, the Left concocted a new scare tactic: conservative talkers are a security risk because they are inciting violence. People like Beck aren’t just opposing the new President’s ideas; they’re making America a more dangerous place for law-abiding citizens to walk the streets.

This idea was seriously discussed by Bill Maher and Keith Olbermann on the March 20 installment of HBO’s “Real Time.”

Less than 24 hours later, the aforementioned cop killings took place in Oakland, but they couldn’t act as an anti-conservative rallying point because the assailant was an African American that ended up being hailed as a hero by the Marxists in his community.

Neither could Robert Stewart's March 29 assault on a Carthage, North Carolina, nursing home leaving eight dead, nor Jiverly Wong’s slaughter of thirteen innocent people at an immigration services center in Binghamton, New York, on April 3.

Enter Poplawski stage right whose rampage the very next day by a man apparently clinging to his guns if not his religion perfectly fit the bill.

And the war was on.

As a result, for the foreseeable future, a conservative talker will likely be blamed for every criminal act that can be somehow connected to anything uttered by a right-leaning media member until such individual is fired.

Though the accusers innocently claim this is not their intention, this is EXACTLY what this new WACO strategy is about – getting rid of all the voices in America that don’t agree with the direction the far-left and the President they got elected are taking this nation.

And do yourself a favor by not bringing logic into the equation much as the Washington Post did Wednesday in a piece claiming the root cause of all these recent attacks is the current state of the economy: "Criminologists theorize that the epidemic of layoffs, the meltdown of storied American corporations and the uncertainty of recovery have stoked fear, anxiety and desperation across society and unnerved its most vulnerable and dangerous."

Nonsense. This is all Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, and Fox News's fault.

*****Update: This is pretty funny. The Huffington Post has a piece today titled "Glenn Beck and The Consequences of Crazy Talk." It began:

Right off the bat, allow me to be perfectly clear: I don't want Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity or any of the other far-right talkers to be silenced or fired, that is unless their corporate bosses decide they ought to be silenced or fired.

When a telemarketer begins his pitch with "I'm not trying to sell you anything," do you believe him? :-)

 

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Loved the Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers bit...

Oh wait, they fail to mention the overt legitimization of terrorism by lef-tee radicals and the despots those true believers adoringly support.  Well, luckily they possess the clarvoyance to parse conservatives minds for subliminal messages. Otherwise, how else would would judge's people true intentions? Without Douchie leading the crap factory, why, all we would have to help us deduce motives and beliefs would be words and deeds! And without mind reading, the thought police would be unduly handcuffed. 

 

Olbermanic, Schyster and

Olbermanic, Schyster and the rest of the leftard media ARE the lunatic fringe.  And they ARE being incited....incited to spew their insane, factless and illogical ravings on their low-rated TV shows.

Fear on the march

Mr. Beck’s greatest accomplishment is tapping in to the fears and hatred of the many politically disenfranchised, less-educated conservative Americans.  His audience is broad and deep.  He plays the role of the weeping martyr, revered since the advent of the myths surrounding Jesus Christ.  Mr. Beck most certainly will have a well-publicized on-air Easter cry, declaring with tears that Jesus would certainly bunker down with an AK-47 in these desolate times, even though Mr. Beck is not a Christian.  He is in fact a Charlatan.   

~Groan

We need a better class of troll, here. ©

 

Groan

I'll see your groan and raise you a "sigh".  : )

Gary

"Things can only bother you if you let them bother you" -My Dad

Happy to make you groan

3x,

Certainly you can appreciate my economy of language.  And if I am a low-class troll, where do you place the other posters who use descriptors like libtard, LIEberal, and Hussein Messiah?

If?????

That's rich.

 

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Sorry, I can't play now.

I've got to take the boyzes on a paddle.  Happy to catch up with you later, though.

Which

Which prison do you live in Flying_Dutchman? When did you boyzes start calling it "going on a paddle". Make sure to use a Trojan now boyzes.

~Reminder

The broad, flattened end goes in the water.

I will refrain from the obvious allusions to 'Sh!t Creek'. (she said magnanimously)

 

Sooie!

We are going to watch a movie on my laptop tonight.  My son thinks "Deliverance" would be too corny, at least that's his excuse.  What would you recommend? 

→ Dutchman

We're not interested in your experiences with corn and squealing like a pig, though I have no doubt it's something you'd be interested in.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Your Son?

Your Son? Great Scot!!!! Its happened!!! A son has been born to two inmates!!!!!! ALERT THE MEDIA!!! Our suspicions about the origin of liberals has been revealed!! ITS TRUUUUUEEE!!!

~That was a quick paddle

Did they get wet or did you just stand on shore flailing them and making splashing noises?

Seriously, if I were out on a canoe trip I wouldn't be online. As a matter of fact, lunch is over and I'm headed back out to raid the strawberry patch. Mmmmm..

 

Flying Dutchman

"libtard, LIEberal, and Hussein Messiah".

???

If words like libtard and lieberal, and some of the more "low-life" names we hurl at our current president are rather funny things like (oh, the horror!) "Hussein Messiah", I'll gladly take that any day over the very common adjectives and ad-hominems you will sadly run into at almost every turn in the leftist blogisphere, calling any/all non-lib-thinkers just about everything in the book:

rednecks, inbred gun-toters, P.O.S. (they love calling almost anyone that), scum (another favorite), evil right-wing fascists, f-tards (the "f" word, another fave), McChimpyBush, Hitler, Killer, etc., etc..  

And the worst part is, liberals very often wish death not just on our previous president and Republican politicians, but on us as well.... a LOT.

There's a reason I don't swim in that pool anymore... never really did, in fact. Grew up a default-by-family Democrat, but always had a brain and then realized where I was.

 

You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!

 

criminals voted obama

Mr. Obama’s greatest

Mr. Obama’s greatest accomplishment is tapping in to the fears and
hatred of the many ignorant, politically disenfranchised, racist, less-educated liberal Americans.  His audience is broad and deep.  He plays the
role of the messiah, revered since the advent of the myths
surrounding Jesus Christ.  Mr. Obama most certainly will have a
well-publicized on-air Easter speech, declaring with tears that Mohammed
would certainly bunker down with an African American in these desolate times, even
though Mr. Obama is not a Muslim.  He is in fact a Charlatan. 

D

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

Correct me if I am wrong,

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that Glenn Beck is a Mormon.

you are correct, msh

Mormons, btw are Christian.  Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, for the poorly informed (see further above)

flying_dutchman ~ Let's discuss your statement.

"Mr. Beck’s greatest accomplishment is tapping in to the fears and
hatred of the many politically disenfranchised, less-educated
conservative Americans. "

So if you watch GB you are "less-educated"?  Ok, lets begin.  I will hear you out.  How about you cite an example where Beck has done this and we will discuss it.  Ok?

"He plays the role of the weeping martyr, revered since the advent of the myths surrounding Jesus Christ."

The myths surrounding Jesus Christ?  Which ones are these?

"Mr. Beck most certainly will have a well-publicized on-air Easter cry,
declaring with tears that Jesus would certainly bunker down with an
AK-47 in these desolate times, even though Mr. Beck is not a Christian."

I have not been privy to his upcoming "Easter Special"...   you seem to be in the "know" concerning Becks upcoming schedule.

"He is in fact a Charlatan."

Fine.  You believe this, but are you going to show us examples of his "charlatanry"...  

Standing by for your evidence.

pahuber

 

wow

does this mean we get to file as a special interest group?

Good work Flailing_Dutchman!

Flailing_Duchman's greatest accomplishment is tipping-toeing in to the fears and hatred of the many spoiled disenfranchised, less-educated loony leftist Americans. His audience is frauds and peeps. He plays the role of the weeping whiner, severed since the advent of the myths surrounding Mickey Mouse. Flailing_Duchman most certainly will have a well-publicized on-air breakdown, declaring with tears that Mickey would certainly bunker down with an AK-47 in these desolate times, even though Flailing_Dutchman is not a Mouse. He is in fact a Cartoon.

 I... Wait, huh...? 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Atheist bigotry on the march

Mr. Olbermann’s greatest accomplishment is tapping in to the fears and hatred of the politically disenfranchised, educated-beyond-their-intelligence liberal Americans.  His audience, while relatively small numbers-wise, is broad and deep.  He plays the role of the ranting elitist, revered since the advent of the myths surrounding Karl Marx.  Mr. Olbermann most certainly will have a well-publicized on-air Earth Day tirade, declaring with spittle that Stalin and Fidel would certainly bunker down with a AK-47s in these revolutionary times, even though Mr. Olbermann is not a Marxist.  He is in fact a closet Capitalist.   

Perhaps we should have a daily/weekly review of "shoot-ups"

Let's enumerate the number of murders committed by:

Criminals who would likely describe themselves as  conservatives and who listen toGlen Beck.

Criminals who would likely describe themselves as liberals (anti-McCain, VERY pro Barack and Michelle).  e.g., see the Oakland rapist/cop killer (and his legion of supporters) 

I suspect the latter is going to dwarf the former by about 2 orders of magnitude.  Maybe 3.

Let the likes of Rick Sanchez and Olbermann chew on that.

 Why is Barack Obama inciting such widespread violence?

I would love to know the

I would love to know the political affiliation of all criminals (murder, robbery, white collar crime, etc) and look at the breakdown.  I don't think the results would be too surprising.

Ratings Ploy

Everyone knows that Olberfuhrer's ratings are in the tank. In his sick twisted miniscule brain he thinks that the more provocative he is, the better his ratings will be. In fact it's the quite the opposite. By the end of the year he and his 14 viewers will be long gone.

It was an old gun.

Most behaviorists are silent on this. After watching thousands of killings on tv by the age of 25, how do they isolate tv and it's violence from being a factor?
There are millions of Americans that are Christian and practice Holiness. No tv. What is the homocide rate for them since large numbers of them hunt and own firearms?

Re TV

Yes, it's ironic that the most radical anti-2nd Amendment crowd are the Hollywood liberals that pump out violence on the TV box and in movies. It's they that have made the 'assault weapon' superficial features popular, and it's they that have made killing a human being an everyday sight. Each new movie attempts to outdo the last one in terms of blood and gore.

→ Oakland

And the Liberals are "behind the scene" accomplices to Lovell Mixon, whose lot in life was to be coddled and protected by liberal policy.  Murder and child rape?  Liberals consider that as a rite of passage for some of their pawns.  A Conservative local government would have had the sob behind bars after the first offense.

I don't see any demonstrations by Conservatives supporting the Pittsburgh Cop Killer.

But the Liberals certainly organized a celebration of Lovell Mixon's accomplishment.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

WACO(FFS)

Yes Rick, Obama is trying to destroy America.  Can you explain, in your msm logic, why has Comrade O cut missle defense funding? Why is he proceding with transferring soverignity to foreign bodies and institutions? Can you tell me, what politician has the Constitutional authority,(that's the governing document in THIS country between the people and the state it created) to transfer such soverignity to anyone or anything? The Constitution reflects the God given rights of the individual and what they're willing to bequeath to the society for its operation.  It's not, unless you can show me otherwise, an authorization for any politican to subordinate my rights to any entity not specifically stated in the Constitution or, if amended, without some form of consent by me or my elected representative. Your pathetic droning about "conservatives" without any intellectual basis shows how mindless a drone you really are.  Same goes for your clones at msdnc.

Dirt

Over the last 3 months or so, I have recieved about 8 to 10 emails, forwarded from different sources around the USA, raising funds to pay a reward to anyone supplying information that would lead to the total disgracing of Olbermann.

Has anyone else recieved any of these? I am ashamed to say that most came after I had weakened and contributed. I guess that I feel that, that is the left's MOS not ours.

I must admit that it is a little delicious though, isn't it! You know that eventually, something and more will turn up. Disgraceful behavior, don't you think. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

→ Sneaky Liberals

If there is no God, we have no unalienable rights.

Another of those Liberal technicalities.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Liberals certainly

Liberals certainly organized a celebration of Lovell Mixon's accomplishment.

A handful of far Left whackos spewing nonsense is a celebration of cop-killing organized by Liberals?  If you say so, Cool.

Jer

→ A handful

OK, show me a rally of more than 40 who rallied in favor of the Pittsburgh killer.

And yes, the rally in Oakland was organized by liberals.  The Uhuru movement in Oakland is definitely Marxist.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Then say "Marxists", not

Then say "Marxists", not "Liberals".

Jer

→ Sorry, Jer

We can't argue with semantic differences of degree, because the President has already indicated a considerable affection for Marxism.

I can be just as obtuse as Markos Moulitsas.  Difference being, you seem to be prompted to speak out against my view while letting Moulitsas slide.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Jer

Jer,

Handful? Hardly:

ns

Noel... Do you know the

Noel...

Do you know the estimated number of demonstrators [i.e. "liberals" as Cool calls them.]?

Jer

Jer

Jer,

No. Tough to tell from that video. Not a "handful" though.

BTW: Do you think there were a lot of conservatives present?  ns

 

→ Oakland Reporter

The Oakland reporter in the link I provided said about 40.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Thanks.

Thanks.

Frankly, Noel, I didn't see

Frankly, Noel, I didn't see any conservatives or liberals.

Jer

Jer

Jer,

You didn't see any liberals or conservatives? So, these folks are all moderates?  ns

→ Right, Jer

All that was missing were the McCain/PalinT-shirts, right?

According to election statistics, at least 90% of them were Liberal Democrats.

I needed a good laugh.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Noel and Cool...

Would you guys be offended if I were to describe a rally organized by the American Nazi Party as a gathering of "conservatives".  Let me answer for you.  You're d*mn right you would--and rightly so.

Well, I likewise find it offensive to have these socialist/Marxist nutjobs described as "liberals".

Jer

→ Jer

I think Markos beat you to it.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Cool...

And do you approve of Markos doing so?  I don't.

Jer

→ Well, Jer

How would I have known how you feel about Markos' comment until just now?

There can be no doubt this country is well on its way to Socialism.  And the beneficiaries are the Liberals across most of their side of the continuum.

The government has discovered a highly efficient method of buying itself a majority.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Cool...

How would I have known how you feel about Markos' comment until just now?

Because I've stated my views on broad-brush smears by both the left and right many times.  Assumed you could deduce my feelings about such comments by Markos.

Jer

Jer

Jer,

Nazi stood for National Socialism which as you can see is actually on the left of the political spectrum: http://pages.prodigy...

Care to try again?

That asked, I'm sorry if you feel calling Marxists liberals is offensive. As I view things as a political spectrum -- meaning moving left to right with left of center being liberal and right of center being conservative -- Marxists are indeed far-left leaning liberals.

Furthermore, since 30 percent of Democrats think socialism is better than capitalism, I think you're pissing against the wind. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/just_53_say_capitalism_better_than_socialism   ns

Noel...

I know what Nazi stands for, Noel.  Find me one member of the American Nazi Party who describes himself as more liberal than conservative and I'll buy you dinner at your favorite San Franciso restaurant.

But if you're not satisfied with that example, I'll give you the opportunity to provide one.  Name any far-right extremist organization, and we'll see how well it suits you to have it identified as "conservative".

Jer

Jer

Jer,

You're badly missing the point, my friend. Marxism is INDEED on the far-left of the political spectrum. As such, it is as LIBERAL as one can get.

And, as 30 percent of Democrats now view socialism as being better than capitalism, and Marxism is just to the left of socialism, I'm really not sure why you find this so offensive.

BTW: I don't know any members of the ANP. Do you? ns

Noel...

Have I missed the point?  Shockingly, yet apparently so; viz., I should be comfortable with Marxists--as well as any far-left group--being described as "liberal", while presumbably you are likewise comfortable with any far-right group being described as "conservative".

Know members of the ANP?  Not to my knowledge.

Jer

Nazi=Liberal

Don't they want exactly the same thing? Unequal treatment by race, religion, and sex, a stronger (bigger more bloated) government? The Nazi's dearly loved the idea of eugenics- Planned Parenthood anyone? The Nazi's nationalized everything including healthcare and then began killing their "nonproductive" people the insane, elderly, indigent (what does the $700 billion universal healthcare proposal say about "rationing" healthcare to the elderly and terminally ill?) The Nazi's had the Brownshirts- Obama's Civilian Police Force. All firearms ownership was a capital offence in Nazi Germany- what kind of firearms ownership do liberals support? The ANP doesn't know history any more than the liberals do. Nazi=Liberal.

→ Nazi liberals?

The story of Baby Knauer comes to mind.

Hitler's first "compassionate" act, as near I can tell.

He decided it was moral to put down a blind, amputee child.

But such a thought would never enter into the mind of today's Liberal, would it?


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

cool, that story made me cry!

it doesn't take a crystal ball to see that we are headed along the same track with the chosen one.   "euthanasia-land" is just a couple of station stops up the line from "partial birth abortion-ville", and with the msm all on board, it's going to be a really fast run.  hideous!

 

"i believe he will not stop until we are all jobless, homeless, hungry, and cold!"

Euthanasia

Another great idea embraced by the left. 

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

→ Right on, Rock

Just in time to manage that Social Security problem we've been ignoring.

Truly amazing how neatly things fit together.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Cool

"But such a thought would never enter into the mind of today's Liberal, would it?"

Only if the child were in the womb, or six years old. He/she could die in a closet for all they care. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Marxism, technically, is on

Marxism, technically, is on the far left of any political spectrum definition. 

I would say that if you asked most democrats, they would not agree that Hitler had a good thing going.

As has been said, American Neo-Nazis identify with the Right, not left, in this country. 

Of course they do..

.. with conservatives being on the same page as the Nazis when it came to gun-control for instance.  

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

Yes, I'm sure that was the

Yes, I'm sure that was the big selling point...

And you'd be wrong

From your favorite website:

As a generic concept, National Socialism opposes capitalism, communism, conservatism, international socialism and liberalism.[1]
It also opposes certain nations, ethnicities and other groups that are
deemed to be enemies of the specific ethnicity to which it is applied.
Several political parties other than the Nazis in Germany have used the
name National Socialist Party or National Socialist Movement. Maurice Barrés was the first to coin the term "national socialism".

Bonus:

Gun Control's Nazi Connection!

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

I don't think it was the

I don't think it was the excellent gun policy of the right that's solely responsible for American Nazis identifying with them. 

American Nazis?

I'm talking about the similiarities between the American left and idealogies like Nationalist Socialist, Marxism, Socialism, etc. 

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

This is what I posted up

This is what I posted up above:

"As has been said, American Neo-Nazis identify with the Right, not left, in this country. " 

So?

That doesn't negate what I posted one bit. But hey, if 'American Neo-Nazis' is all you got - run with it. 

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

I respect Uncle Jer. I like Uncle Jer. You - You annoy me.

 Uncle Jer actually listens.

  You are a walking talking logical fallacy that spews nothing but fallacious arguments.

As has been said, American Neo-Nazis identify with the Right, not left, in this country

Fallacious argument: Appeal to widespread belief

WHO SAID IT? The only one I hear saying it is YOU.

Fallacious argument: Argument Ad Nauseum. if you say something often enough, some people will begin to believe it.

Repeating the same statement over and over again does not make it true. 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

an Eternal Champion after many exhausting trials and tribulations in the endless war between Law and Chaos 

Bal,

No they don't. I thought you were above calling us racists. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

→ selling point?

No, not the biggest.

I think the big selling point was runaway inflation with wheelbarrows, and bread, and lots of useless paper (Oh My!).

It could never happen here, right?


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Bal,

And I would say that most conservatives, if asked would say that hitler did not "have a good thing going". What's you point?

I would point out that you capitalized his name. Got respect, do you?

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

You did it again Uncle Jer.

     You know I have a special alert set up to let me know when someone tries to put Hitler or the Nazi's on the right.

Would you guys be offended if I were to describe a rally organized by the American Nazi Party as a gathering of "conservatives".

No, we would just say you put Nazi's on the wrong side of the divide again. We have been through this.

I am quoting myself again below again. I have a quick link on my desktop for every time Uncle Jer pulls out the Nazi's were right wingers ruse.

________________________________________ 

It is German. Nazionalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers' Party).

 The Nazi party had the name socialist in their name because they were SOCIALISTS. The Nazi party was formed at a time when socialism was on the march and was not proven to be the utter failure it is. So there was no stigma in using the term socialist in the name of the party.

The Nazi party had 25 points in it's political platform. Here are a few of those 25 points. (my bold)

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.

10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

 25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.

There is more. Sounds a lot like socialism to me.

Socialism
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. (merriam-webster)______________________ 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

an Eternal Champion after many exhausting trials and tribulations in the endless war between Law and Chaos 

A Failed Comparrison

Liberals are always doing that even though they are the ones that bear the most similiarities. Liberal projection.  

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

No Sarge... It's

No Sarge...

It's adherence to historical realities, instead of historical revisionism.

Jer

Jer+k

 
Which is exactly what you engage in: revisionism. For instance, disarming the law-abiding. A liberal dream. I seem to recall that the Gun Control Act of 1968 being based on Nazi gun control of the 1930's.

Nice try.

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

~Have you ever noticed

That Jer doesn't call names?

 

Who cares?

Who cares? Appeasers of the left? 

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

~Seriously?

 

 

JWF... If you recall, the

JWF...

If you recall, the thesis in that original thread was that Hitler was a left/liberal and was admired by FDR.  Both of those notions are absolute bunk.  German Nazism comprised elements of the economic left and the socio/political right, but is generally regarded as predominantly rightist in its guiding philosophy.  And the American Nazi Party, which after all was the subject of the present debate, has been consistently, demonstrably, and rabidly far-right.

Jer

Uh...tap tap tap... uh Jer...reality here.. Hitler WAS a LIBERAL

National Socialism was liberal and was about Gov't control.  That is a liberal concept.  No FDR did not like Hitler...he preferred Stalin, most likely.  May I bill you for your history lesson?

Democratic Socialism

That's right. Today we call it Democratic Socialism.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

pahuber

Bill me?  No thanks.  I paid enough for them in college.

Jer

Hitler was an ultra-rightist

Hitler was an ultra-rightist who used the hybrid-ideological Nazi party as a vehicle to propel him to authoritarian rule.  The American Nazi Party--which was the original subject of the present thread--identified with Hitler and the rightist components of German Nazism.  To suggest the ANP is or ever was "liberal" turns reality on its head.

jumping into the fray

I've been watching the dialogue, and I cannot help but agree with my NB colleagues that today's new-liberalism is without doubt based upon many of the same fundamental ideologies as German Nazism.  One cannot deny many of the arguments evincing this already posted above (e.g., pro-Darwinism; pro-neo-paganism; anti-Judeo-Christian; anti-Pope; pro-euthanasia; pro-abortion; pro-State-Supremacy; pro-intellectual; anti-right-to-bear-arms; pro-"New World Order"; pro-science-research-on-humans; pro-"People's Car"; etc.).  Sorry, but these Nazi ideals are now new-leftist ideals.  It cannot be denied.  Now, of course, today's new-liberalism employs different means for putting these principles into practice, and today's new-leftist will distance himself from Nazism because Nazism is today's universally accepted standard of Evil (both the Right and the Left agree on this one).

That said, while the counter assertion of Jer and Bal, namely that today's American Neo-Nazism is more aligned with far-right politics, is essentially correct, this only highlights the fact that today's "American Neo-Nazism" bears very little resemblance to "German Classical-Nazism."  Neo-Nazism is very strongly anti-State-Supremacy, much like the original American Revolutionaries, and thus they strongly put into practice the 2nd Amendment.  They are also anti-intellectual.  The only real similarities that I can think of off hand are the irrational and mindless aryanism, xenophobia and racism.  German Nazism went far deeper than these inane forms of hatred.  German Nazism was about the Rise of the Third Reich, with the Holocaust merely being a means to that end.  Neo-Nazism is anything but about the rise of the "DC Reich."

Clever Wordsmiths

This is just another way of calling conservatives 'Nazis'. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth. Read the definition of 'ultra-rightist'. It can hardly be construed as 'conservative' in nature. Then also read the definition of ultra-leftist. There, can be made a comparrison between that and Amercian liberalism. Oh the irony! 

Charming witicisms are hardly a substitute for substance.

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

Agreed SR! It was National Socialism and a very liberal

concept...NOT conservative, as two on this thread have argued.

In fact, until operation Barbarossa hitler & stalin, for the most part, cooperated with each other in many ways.  While hitler was a nazi & Germany had nazis they were national socialist which is fairly similar to communism.  hugo chavez down in Venezuela has done a "stellar" /s job of taking over private assets & nationalizing them. Now he is president for life... 

So... stalin, castro, hugo, mao are communist, but ruled like that of a dictator.  All wanted socialism/communism of some kind, but hitler is associated with conservatism?

BTW...I highly doubt that todays nazis desire liberty for all which is a very conservative ideal today.

What are conservatives trying to conserve?

  The principles found in the Decleration of Independence and the Constitution.

  Limited Government - The Constitution gave the Federal Gov. limited powers and balanced those powers over three branches that had a check on each other.

  Strong National Defense - 5000 words in the Constitution. One of the few things listed is a national military.

  Private Property - Rule of law. Republics are based on this. Constitutional Republics.

  Individualism - If you have a limited government, you need to take care of yourself.

 Free Markets, Free Trade - Nothing in the Constitution inhibits either.

  Can someone please explain how the above compare to Nazi's in Germany or Illinois Nazis (to borrow a phrase from the Blues Brothers)

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

an Eternal Champion after many exhausting trials and tribulations in the endless war between Law and Chaos 

Correct

I think it's just a ploy to rile those on the right. Kind of like when you call someone on the left a dirty name like 'liberal' or 'socialist'. However, only in the latter example are the comparrisons accurate. 

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

Haven't looked in a while.

  But I believe it is left over communist propaganda from the split between Lenin and Hitler.

  Leftist can never give up this canard though. To put Hitler on the left is ta admit every nasty critter that stirred up poo on the planet earth came out of the left.

  They love to put Hiter on the right so they can hold out their hands and say "See, there is nastiness on both sides."

  No. It all stems from the left. Take your finger off the right side of the scale. 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

an Eternal Champion after many exhausting trials and tribulations in the endless war between Law and Chaos 

History

Like most conversations they tend to send me off on a reading binge.

I found this website very good reading for anyone who is interested.

I gleaned a little bit about FDR's relationship with Russia (at least as it pertains to economics) from Amity Shlaes "The Forgotten Man".   FDR didn't particularly like Stalin but he needed an ally against Germany.  Several of his cabinet members and associates did have ties to Stalin (either directly or indirectly).  Her book is exhaustively referenced.

Not going to offer any opinion on the top at hand though.  I know better than to jump into this cage match ;)

 

Jer, predominantly rightist HUMMM like property rights?

Once in power Adolf Hitler turned Germany into a fascist state.

The German economic system
remained capitalistic but the state played a more prominent role in
managing the economy. Industrialists were sometimes told what to
produce and what price they should charge for the goods that they made.
The government also had the power to order workers to move to where
they were required.

All information that people in Germany received was selected and organized to support fascist beliefs.

Do you think the American Nazi Party has any parallels to the Democratic Party?

Yes.
We believe in a livable wage, higher school funding, health care,
preserving wildlife and the environment, and the continued study of
renewable energy and biofuels.

Jer, ohh ya that sounds like the rabid righty posters here...

BTW Jer you are a DEMOCRAT right?

The only people who have floated the idea of a possible
President Obama assassination have been liberal Democrats. Note: John
Wilkes Booth, a Democrat, assassinated Republican President Abraham
Lincoln for his freeing of slaves, so this kind of has precedent.

P.R.I.N.T. Money   30 sec YT 

Please Uncle Jer, You are giving me a headache.

If you recall, the thesis in that original thread was that Hitler was a left/liberal and was admired by FDR 

Fallacious argument: Changing the Subject - Red Herring.

We are not back in the orginal thread now are we?

Your contention HERE is this thread -

 Would you guys be offended if I were to describe a rally organized by the American Nazi Party as a gathering of "conservatives".

My Contention - The Nazi Party is a socialist organization.

My Evidence  I provided you the NAME of the Party as translated. I provided you the Parties  points from the Nazi Parties PLATFORM. Mr. Sheppard provided you with a link that placed the Nazi party on the LEFT.

Your new contention - German Nazism comprised elements of the economic left and the socio/political right

  Do they were all things to all people now? They were right but they were left but they were right but now left no right no left.

 I am getting a headache!

Fallacious argument - Internal Contradiction. Saying two contradictory things in the same statement.

 Either drop the argument that Nazi's are on the right with conservatives OR drop the argument that Nazis are all things to all people.

_______________________________________

I don't want to cloud the bolded statement above but this is also a fallacious argument.

Find me one member of the American Nazi Party who describes himself... 

Just because I describe myself as a monkey poo covered toadstool DOES NOT MAKE me a monkey poo covered toadstool.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

an Eternal Champion after many exhausting trials and tribulations in the endless war between Law and Chaos 

That reminds me Mr. Arrow.

  goptrunk.com is having a sale on T-Shirts. All the McCain shirts you can have for $1.00 each.

  I can get another one of those $100 vinyl signs that someone stole out of my yard for $10 now too.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

an Eternal Champion after many exhausting trials and tribulations in the endless war between Law and Chaos 

Farcical

These lefty idiot commentators will have no affect. If they couldn't juice the Fairness Doctrine - something that had been in the breach for years, just waiting for Democratic control in political discourse - they'll do nothing to Fox News et al, nor will they endanger the 2nd Amendment.

Their illogic is a belly laugh, an embarrassment. Another nail in their coffins regarding their credibility.

Precisely, I believe that is why they are hysterical. With

all the help they have given the DNC and still not the impact they desire.  They have all 3 branches of Gov't and still having impotency.  While still doing some damage they are not getting the sweeping changes they had anticipated.  If things continue w/o the results they want I believe they may start eating each other around 2010 (would not bet on this though), BUT then again they are hopelessly deluded so...

I guess all that talk of

I guess all that talk of armed uprising, revolution, overthrowing the government, that the left engaged in from the early 1960s up to 2008 was "different"...?

*turns sarcasm off*

Power to the people...

The problem with an armed uprising of liberals is: they don't own or understand guns, have jobs to support the insurrection, you can't sneak up on someone when you stink of patchouli, Mom's basement can't be converted to an impenetrable bunker, and the likelyhood of dad loaning you the car (and gas money) to run an operation is somewhat slim.

So does this mean the War on

So does this mean the War on Christmas is over?

paddling

bal; what are you doing here? I thought you went with Flying_Dutchman for a paddling with the boyzes!

~It has been downgraded

To the North Pole Contingency Operation.

 

That was clever. :)  The

That was clever. :) 

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

The War isn't over...

but a truce remains in effect--a/k/a "The Claus Pause".

Jer

Oh ha ha ha ha! Oh hee hee hee! Balboa made a funny.

 The War on Christmas is an attempt by the leftists in the United States to separate the christian element from the Christmas Holiday, essentially forcing their views on the rest of America - LEFTIST FASCISM.

Balbo compared that to...

 The War on Conservative Opinion is an attempt by the leftists in the United States to shut down all dissenting opinions - LEFTIST FASCISM.

 See? It is funny right? HA HA HA HA

 Get it now?

 Neither do I.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars. 

  Keith O is a perfect

 

Keith O is a perfect example of a liberal mind set!  He loves to attack others based solely on his single minded point of view, never mind looking up facts to back up said claims.   My very liberal mother loves him; I think it is due to his decent good looks and his pure hate for the”other side”.   She and he think they are better for “us” because they believe they are better than us……  Keith and folks who think like him do not care about the true “victims” of any situation they label the “other side” created…..  They only want to look good in front of the camera and how it makes them feel good on the inside to lay blame on what they view cause it, again never mind looking up facts to back said claim.     It boils down to how it makes them feel good about themselves, not how it helps someone else!   

 

Glenn Beck is a target because he holds all politician’s accountable……..  Far left are very afraid folks like Beck (me included) want this country back together as one not divided! 

 

What's your point?

Is anyone actually still watching Gibson, CNN, or MSPMS/Keith Olbermann? Not to worry. All three of their viewers already buy into this tripe.

...again, I say, Olbermann

...again, I say, Olbermann needs an ass-whipping of Biblical proportions, and done with extreme prejudice.

Or, perhaps we could simply sterilize him, so his stupidity cannot be replicated into another human being?  You know, cut-off the bloodline and all that.  (Of course that sounded Nazi-ish.  I'm a Conservative, and we're all about Fascism, right?)

Much like an anti-fur protester, I would gladly throw a bucket of urine onto Olbermann, given the chance.

I barely listen to any of these people

About 10 minutes at a time when driving to work.  I don't watch CATV news at all.

My anger comes solely from the actions of the government.  The people who think they are cutting the legs off independent free thinking individuals by trying to talk down the talking heads are only thinking of how they, themselves work.

Then...

I guess the Oakland and Binghampton killings were in response to liberal opinion and CNN??

No

NO! How about that the killings were in response to the killers being evil maniacs! Now there's a new concept for the world, huh!

Their pathetic hatred for

Their pathetic hatred for the successful commentators at Fox is laughable.  Olbie and Shyster will never be anything other than also-rans for Immelt.

"Criminologists theorize

"Criminologists theorize that the epidemic of layoffs, the meltdown of storied American corporations and the uncertainty of recovery have stoked fear, anxiety and desperation across society and unnerved its most vulnerable and dangerous."

More fundamentally, it is the loss of Christian values in the culture at large.  That is the common thread behind all the modern problems we face, including the Wall Street meltdown.

Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, O'Reilly, FNC, et al. are all strawmen set up out of the bigotry, narcissism and seething envy of the New-Left (more fruits of the loss of Christian faith).

That's rich.

If they had an ounce of consistency, they would try to find out what the Government did to provoke this atmosphere.

If this was Bush, there would be an endless parade of stories about how his policies generated fear in the American people as well as detailed interviews with "concerned Americans" on how his positions have disrupted their otherwise peaceful lives.

If it weren't for double standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.

we're screwed

as much as we want to think otherwise, and as I'm listening to Rush....we're screwed.    If you believe in the bible, we're in the end times.   20...10....50 years ago...gay marriage, govrnment owning GM...people not going to church....etc...   and a website that's exposing all this? Levin is right....it's not us...it's I

Unreasonable fear!?

They blame conservatives for playing up the fear that government is going to take their guns, but what is their answer to these shootings? We need more gun control.  Right.  I can't see where conservatives would ever get an idea like that.

An astute point.  Pardon

An astute point.  Pardon the pun, but it would appear that the MSM have shot themselves in the proverbial foot on this one.

Conversly, when radical liberals call for stoning or hanging of

Conversly, when radical liberals call for stoning sitting congressmen and their families, or  hanging of sitting Senators who are candidates for the office of the President of the United States and American pilots -- Alex Baldwin and Mike Malloy, respectively, where is the national media?

Silently nodding their heads in agreement.  In fact, Malloy started getting invited on CNN - they want his views out there.

Alec Baldwin didn't call

Alec Baldwin didn't call for the stoning of any congressmen and their families.

Jer

Oh, Jer..

I know what Alec stated - and ranted on. '..if we were in another country.. we'd stone..'

If a - say Rush (or any conservative name), for example - had said such a thing - in that context, well, we know darn good and well that this very same national media, print, network TV, magazines, and newspapers would be headlining it day and night insisting that they had called for the stoning of.. and were promoting hatred, intolerance, violence, division ..etc.

gary

 

Right you are Gary...I

Right you are Gary...I think if memory serves me he was referring to Henry Hyde and his family...he was the head of the 13 House Members on the Impeachment Panel...and he conducted all of them with class too....

...something Alec lacks...as the majority of leftists do.

I used to have a link...Jer can look it up if he wants.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

→ Could it be?

"If we were living in another country, what we, all of us together,
would go down to Washington and stone Henry Hyde to death, stone him to
death, stone him to death!" said Baldwin. "Then we would go to their
house and we'd kill the family, kill the children."

Strange how Baldwin feels a need to include violence against children.

I guess he's got "rude little pig" issues.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

I don't need to look it up,

I don't need to look it up, bt...I know what Baldwin said and whom he said it about.  And it was not a "call" for Henry Hyde to be stoned to death.

Jer

→ Thanks, Jer

So regardless of what I say about the President, or select members of Congress, as long as I preface it with "If this was another country", the words I write can in no way be construed as an incitement?

Is that what you're saying?  Wait a minute.  That's exactly what you're saying.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Cool... Read

Cool...

Read what Baldwin said.  Read what I said.  You need look no further beyond the plain meaning of the words.  No need to attach hypotheticals or contorted inferences. 

Jer

→ I did Jer.

And the only separation between a direct call to violence, by Baldwin, against Henry Hyde & family, and an indirect call, was the aforementioned preface.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Interesting Cool...

So, if I were to observe that "had my family resided in Saudi Arabia, my unfaithful wife would be beheaded" it would constitute a call for her death?

Jer

Jer..

Well, read what I said (my response to you) - that is the context to today.

→ Jer

If you said that directly to your wife, having actually detected infidelity, she might decide to sleep elsewhere for a few nights, and yes, the police might actually construe it as a threat.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

it would constitute

concern for your wife.

I am puzzled as to why you are trying to defend this man.

kat...

I'm not defending Baldwin.  It was a stupid, outrageous comment.  I simply pointed out he did not actually "call" for the stoning of Hyde.

Jer

I see

I misunderstood your intent when you asserted he'd apologized.

I guess we can agree that he likely did not intend to go from the studio and organize bus tours to stone AIG families to death.

Small comfort to those families.

→ Great point kata

The Liberals stir the pot over the AIG bonuses, ACORN sends out buses.

If the "visitors" get out of hand, there's plausible deniability.

"How did we know what our robots were going to do?"


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Hey CA... The Unions and

Hey CA...

The Unions and ACORN...we can't forget the Unions involvement.

Bet the same tactics will be used for all of the Tea Parties too...

Sad part of all of this is..we the tax-payers are funding a good portion of this.  

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

kat... I was agreeing

kat...

I was agreeing with Restless's comment that Baldwin was "jazzed up"...in other words, acknowledging his behavior was way over the top and asinine.  I'm not defending that behavior by any means, nor was my statement of belief that Baldwin apologized intended as an endorsement of his inappropriate words or actions.

Jer

*squints and looks for fine print*

;)

kat... Sorry to belabor

kat...

Sorry to belabor the point.  But when Restless said "He [Baldwin] certainly seemed jazzed by the idea" and I responded "That he did, Restless", I was agreeing that Baldwin had seemingly gotten himself all worked up over his silly parable.  I parenthetically noted my understanding that he had subsequently apologized.  I'm still at a loss as to how this translates to a defense of Baldwin.

Jer

Jer

I promise I meant it when I said I misunderstood.   My last post was simply teasing you over your verbosity.

k

k

OK

J

L O L !

L

O

L

!

Semantics aside

He certainly seemed jazzed by the idea. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

That he did, Restless.  [I

That he did, Restless.  [I think Baldwin apologized.]

Jer

Good evening Jer

World Net Daily Cecember 16 1998 "Late Night With Conan O'Brien".

"If we were living in another country,what we, all of us together, would go down to Washington and stone Henry Hyde to death, stone him to death, stone him to death! Then we would go to their house and we'd kill the family, kill the children".

Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

Right,

Right, cocodrie...

Thanks, and have a glorious Easter.

Jer

Jer... You are simply

Jer...

You are simply unbelievable at times.

Talk about twist, turn and spin....mind-boogling the way you carry on at times when you know you are wrong.

Parce away Jer..parce away...you have to be related to Clintoon.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Turn away from the screen, dear...

Turn away from the screen, dear...

Your mind has already been boogled enough.  ;-)

Jer

Yeah well Jer...my typo

Yeah well Jer...my typo doesn't have anything to do with your twisting all situations to some sort of insane bull like you do constantly...your tactics are disgusting at times.

Your wife is calling from afar...unless she's back home...time to take out the garbage Jer and get off your nit-pickin' arse.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

bt...

I was obviously kidding about the typo.  Sorry you find my tactics disgusting.  That's certainly not my intention.

Jer

Sure Jer...sure. It's your

Sure Jer...sure.

It's your story and your stickin' to it...for now.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Like we all know what an

Like we all know what an insult it is to re-type someone's typo...?

(For the record, Baldwin did not imply we should stone Henry Hyde. No way. No how.) 

boa... You just couldn't

boa...

You just couldn't help yourself could you?

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Nope. Just thought you were

Nope. Just thought you were getting a little worked up over a typo. 

boa... You have got to be

boa...

You have got to be kidding...it wasn't about that at all.

Did you read all of this from the beginning following from Gary?

I know a lot has been posted in-between since then...but come on...surely you know me better than that...

I am laughing here friend....you are so obvious at times.  ;-)

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Ah. I apologize. I have

Ah. I apologize. I have misread.

boa... Accepted and Thank

boa...

Accepted and Thank you   ;-)

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Good evening Bal

Alec Baldwin most certainly did say he wanted him and his family stoned. You will find the quote in two places on this thread.

Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

All I see in the quote is an

All I see in the quote is an "if / then" statement, which implies a hypothetical.

Sorry Bal

He clearly says that he would go to Washington and do it. Anything to defend a liberal, right?

Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

This is the quote,

This is the quote, right? My emphasis added.

If we were living in another country,what we, all of us together, would go down to Washington and stone Henry Hyde to death, stone him to death, stone him to death! Then we would go to their house and we'd kill the family, kill the children

Exactly Bal

He is stating that the thing keeping him from stoning Henry Hyde and his family is the fact that he lives here in America. Maybe that's why he hates our kaws, they keep him from acting out his  desires.

Nice twisting by the way.

Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

→ That makes it OK?

If I was in Washington, waiting outside the home of (fill in Federal official name here) with my 30-06, I'd be drawing a bead on (fill in name) and . . .

Wellll, since I said "IF", there's no reason for the Feds to follow up, right?

I don't think you can say such a descriptive hypothetical can't, or shouldn't, be taken seriously. 

And that is why. . . 

Note to anyone who might be monitoring these threads for threats:  I do not now, nor have I ever intended such a scenario as described above.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

How about a gentlemen's agreement, Cool...

How about a gentlemen's agreement, Cool...

If it's fair for you guys to stand on a stack of dictionaries, English Usage references, treatises on syntax and context, and grammatical dissection instruments to prove Ann Coulter never technically called John Edwards a "faggot", then it's fair for us to point out that Baldwin never technically called for Henry Hyde's stoning.

Jer

Yeah, like that'd happen.

Yeah, like that'd happen. You have as much chance of getting someone to agree to that as you do of finding someone to understand that Obama wasn't flipping anyone off in that speech.

→ Not fair

I never, to my recollection, waded in on the "flipping off" or the "brush off your shoulders" dustups.  I just didn't then, or now, see much to get riled about.

But when a poster points out a specific phrase as a qualifier to discount the the vicious nature of a statement,  all I did was follow the logic.

It's now another day, the shoe's on the other foot in another thread involving Glenn Beck, and suddenly, qualifiers don't apply.

Yeah, let's call it all a matter of definitions, huh?


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

It was vicious, it was mean.

It was vicious, it was mean. But again, I don't believe Baldwin was saying, "Hey everyone! Let's go stone Henry Hyde!"

I don't think Beck is responsible for shootings, either. 

CA, except that Baldwin said

CA, except that Baldwin said "If we..." not "If Henry Hyde and I were..."

It's a hypothetical comparison. 

bal, your "if/then" defenition is very incorrect NOT

hypothetical. 

An if/then statement is IF this happens THEN this happens, but since we live in the US I suppose former US Representative Henry Hyde is safe.

So bal, to use an if/then statement is NOT hypothetical.  Like IF you, bal, come to my house and try to hurt my family at night THEN I will give you the biggest wedgie ever!  Like totally for real!

dude...   

→ Hypothetically speaking

Henry Hyde is safely tucked away, about six feet deeper than most of his detractors wish to delve.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

God Bless Henry Hyde... and you too cool.

: )

→ Thanks, pahuber

And God bless each of us who trust in Him.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Amen

:)

Bull Crap NBC [Numbskull Baloney Correspondants]

The problem with the violence is traced right back to the liberals who gained notoriety back in the sixties with their down with the establishment and do youyr own thing rants! Don't spank, don't jail, don't execute, do rehabilitate, do abort, do drugs, do all kinds of sex, and don't make lifetime committments! These idiots have destroyed the gene pull with their drug infested minds that are not capable of a rational thought. Glenn Beck, Hennity, Limbaugh, don't incite anyone to violence. The left has been inciting violence for the last eight years. I'll bet the credentials of these last murderers trace their roots back to some left kook fringe!

I have an itsy bitsy crush on Glenn Beck...

 

What can I say? His vibrant, baby blue eyes hypnotize me. Sean Hannity with his 'beaver pelt' hair...eh...he speaks truth but he's a bit harsh even though I respect his opinion.

Beck can go over-the-top smarmy to be sure though...maybe that's what endears me to him though...he embraces his 'teary' side. lol 

Conservatives need as much voice as they can muster in the face of the kool-aid drinker derelicts spoon fed by the MSM. 

 

funny how guns have always

funny how guns have always been in our society yet the mass shootings popped up about the same time the liberalism push began to take root

Good grief, Delia... You

Good grief, Delia...

You have a crush on Beck! and his baby blues?  You may now consider my previous marriage proposal officially withdrawn.

Jer

Ahhh,

The green monster is an ugly beast indeed. 

 "This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Can we blame Olbermoron,

Can we blame Olbermoron, Rosie, Katie, Chrissy, Madcow and the rest of them when an American city is vaporized?

Or would that just be ridiculous?

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).

They will own some of it... no matter what the percent

Those that hate our country and wish for its destruction will share the blame.

My inner yoda says destruction, blame hating america rediculous are those when vaporized becomes america!

Katie Couric

I guess they just forgot about sweet Katie and her questions to the Attorney General about limiting guns and banning assault rifles. That wasn't giving the idea that Obama is going to remove guns from Americans.

Liberalsim is a mental, intellectual and spiritual disease . . .

LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL, INTELLECTUAL AND SPIRITUAL DISEASE.