The media's post-election truth leaks are in full swing now as the Washington Post will publish an admission from its ombudsman Sunday that it was clearly biased towards Barack Obama in its coverage of the just-concluded presidential campaign.
Isn't the truth great when it doesn't hurt your agenda?
Although Deborah Howell's piece "An Obama Tilt in Campaign Coverage" will appear in Sunday's print edition, it was published at the Post's website Saturday, and revealed quite frankly what most media observers have known for months (emphasis added, photo courtesy Newsday):
The op-ed page ran far more laudatory opinion pieces on Obama, 32, than on Sen. John McCain, 13. There were far more negative pieces (58) about McCain than there were about Obama (32), and Obama got the editorial board's endorsement. The Post has several conservative columnists, but not all were gung-ho about McCain.
Stories and photos about Obama in the news pages outnumbered those devoted to McCain. Post reporters, photographers and editors -- like most of the national news media -- found the candidacy of Obama, the first African American major-party nominee, more newsworthy and historic.
Aside from the numbers, the omissions were really what drove most media analysts wild. Howell agreed:
Obama deserved tougher scrutiny than he got, especially of his undergraduate years, his start in Chicago and his relationship with Antoin "Tony" Rezko, who was convicted this year of influence-peddling in Chicago. The Post did nothing on Obama's acknowledged drug use as a teenager.
Oddly, Howell didn't address the Post's coverage of William Ayers and Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Nor did she discuss how the presidential candidate's wives were treated. I wonder why.
However, she did address the difference in vice presidential candidate coverage:
One gaping hole in coverage involved Joe Biden, Obama's running mate. When Gov. Sarah Palin was nominated for vice president, reporters were booking the next flight to Alaska. Some readers thought The Post went over Palin with a fine-tooth comb and neglected Biden. They are right; it was a serious omission.
In the end, mea culpas are wonderful because they assuage a guilty conscience.
However, likely the least-qualified presidential candidate in the modern era was aided and abetted by Obama-loving press outlets like the Post, and admitting this after the fact doesn't lessen the injustice or the lack of journalistic integrity.
The press behaved disgracefully during this campaign, and America will likely be damaged by it for years to come.
As such, media outlets that actually recognize their failures should not just admit them, but also inform the public what they'll do to prevent such negligence in the future.
Anything less is just good marketing.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.
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Oh,my!
November 8, 2008 - 11:11 ET by iveseenitallDUH!
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal" (ain't it the truth!)
I'm waiting for Balboa's
November 8, 2008 - 14:56 ET by NewsbusterbrownI'm waiting for Balboa's response to this. I'm assuming he will ignore it, however.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Bias? That's not bias
November 8, 2008 - 19:35 ET by ThisnThatBias is a "particular tendency or inclination". The msm didn't tend, or incline -- they were fully in the tank. We're not talking bias here -- we're talking full, unconditional committment.
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So here they are, a day
November 8, 2008 - 11:27 ET by motherbeltSo here they are, a day late and a dollar short...
Oh, and where was Ms. Howell while all this was going on????
You can't tell me no one complained about the coverage during the campaign!
Who's going to critique her performance????
Nooooooooooo! That cant be
November 8, 2008 - 11:32 ET by USA4freedomNooooooooooo!
That cant be true!
The MSM was tilted????
Oh no.. that just cant be!
What a POS..
Duct tape please..
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Only a dollar short?
November 8, 2008 - 11:41 ET by islero47Have you seen their revenues?
Sarah Palin/Jason Lewis 2012
Obama is a pathological nacissist: http://www.faithfree...
Oh, my . . .
November 8, 2008 - 20:09 ET by JillCWWell, I just read the article at faithfreedom http://www.faithfree... and it was deep, well constructed and honest in its appraisal of the "O." So, the question still remains: Who IS Barack (Barry Hussein) Obama? Better yet: WHAT is Barack Obama? Will wait for a reply . . .
A mea culpa won't do, really pay up!
November 8, 2008 - 12:42 ET by Ten7s"So here they are, a day late and a dollar short..."
Rather than a mea culpa, they need to really pay up. IOW, they should hire someone like Stanley Kurtz (or one of our esteemed NB bloggers) to do research on Obama and run the stories that they suppressed during the campaign, and put the most interesting ones on the front page of the Sunday edition (web too of course) until Stanley (or NBer) runs out of material. Then they might start winning back some respect.
Flip Flop
November 8, 2008 - 12:56 ET by dbothey should hire someone like Stanley Kurtz (or one of our esteemed NB
bloggers) to do research on Obama and run the stories that they
suppressed during the campaign
Kurtz already had his chance and he blew it. In typical liberal doublespeak, the WP reversed itself on quotes tying Obama to Franklin Raines of Fannie Mae fame. Kurtz looked at the issue and played softball.
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Stanley, Howard
November 8, 2008 - 13:10 ET by Ten7sStanley Kurtz - http://author.nation...
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My Bad
November 8, 2008 - 13:27 ET by dboSorry about that :-) I saw Kurtz and I went bananas
No problem.
November 8, 2008 - 17:36 ET by Ten7sNo problem.
Too little, too late
November 8, 2008 - 11:30 ET by El__KabongAll their mea culpas willl do them (and us) no good. I'm not really sure why they are doing this. We already knew what was going on the whole time. They could have kept up the facade... we knew the deal. Again, too little, too late. Their should have below zero credibility by now. As long as there are mind-numbed obamatons out there, the MSM will hang on, to their shame.
I think that just it, they
November 8, 2008 - 11:34 ET by USA4freedomI think that just it, they are tying to get back their credibility, now that its all over.
TOO LATE. WE WILL ENJOY WATCHING YOU ALL GO DOWN THE DRAIN..
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Note to Ms. Howell: Go to
November 8, 2008 - 11:34 ET by semolina_filcherNote to Ms. Howell:
Go to Hell and take all your left-leaning, "journalists" buddies with no credibilities with you. You are part of the media elite who helped craft a megalomaniac get elected to the most powerful job on the face of the earth.
You fools never listened to the average American, who seemingly knew more about Obama's past, but you chose not to mess with it for politically correct reasons. I'm afraid you will get what you bargained for in Obama.
We will hold all of you accountable in the main stream press. Kiss my AXE!
I think you speak for all of
November 8, 2008 - 11:36 ET by USA4freedomI think you speak for all of us there SF
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Mutt In Chief
November 8, 2008 - 11:40 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsWhy not be biased, lots of Historic firsts, like the first time a President-Elect held his first post-election news conference (instead of attending his beloved grandmother's funeral) and insulted a former (Republican) First Lady.
Expect more History from this "mutt".
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To Be Fair and Balanced...
November 8, 2008 - 13:12 ET by Del DolemonteAccording to the news reports I've seen out of Hawai'i, Madelyn Dunham requested a private Memorial Service, and not a "funeral". Said memorial service will be held next month, and Barry and family will all be there.
Go figure
November 8, 2008 - 11:58 ET by BlondeAll these mea culpas after the fact.
I notice there was absolutely no mention of what was going to be done to rectify the situation, however. (Ah, after re-reading your penultimate sentence, I see you made that point as well).
If they think this little apology is going to just white wash their despicable lack of journalistic ethics...it won't.
Journalism is dead.
I agree Blonde - Journalism is dead to us
November 8, 2008 - 14:11 ET by Dee Bunkunfortunately their are still many pop culturists that are fine with it so we have to confront it in my opinion.
All of these proof of bias stories don't even take into account the intensity which makes it even more appalling. All negative stories and all positive stories don't have the same intensity. If they had a way of factoring that in, then we'd see even more outrageous numbers. McCain had almost zero glowing stories and Obama had almost zero complete smear bogus lie stories.
The point that the media completely lost it, was when the left wing lunatics went after them hard - blaming them for the Iraq war for not "questioning enough". Of course it was bull and they were already very biased against the war but the left wing loons and their hero's in Hollywood kept on them. It wasn't enough to "question" they had to lie and obfuscate.
We have to do what the angry left did. It's very sad because we truly just want fairness - not advocacy. We shouldn't have to fight for it, but we do. It will be much harder for us even though our cause is just, because we aren't throwing the cocktail party they want to go to. We do pay their paychecks though. We will need much greater numbers than the left wing loons to be loud and vocal about their outrageous unfairness.
well well
November 8, 2008 - 12:00 ET by candanceNow that the damage is done they're willing to admit it. That sound you hear is Sarah Palin screaming "thanks for nothing!"
I'm a typical white person.
This is from the Washington Post?
November 8, 2008 - 12:01 ET by pbthinkerThe irony is, as far as coverage is concerned, the Washington Post, IMHO, was a lot cleaner than the rest of the MSM. If they printed this critique, just imagine what it would look like if ABC, NBC,CBS,CNN, MSNBC, the NY Times, the Boston Globe, and Time Magazine had an ombudsman capable of an honest critique?
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
Let's take action now...
November 8, 2008 - 12:05 ET by gilguyMy wife and I have eliminated all main stream media from the TV - ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, HNN, MSNBC, and PBS. We will never again watch these atrocities. I will never spend a dime on a newspaper as well. I challenge you to join us; as the viewership begins to drop, we send the message to them. I can stay just as informed here, and other internet sites that don't hold back the facts. God help this country now.
§ PB, Gilguy...DO IT!!!
November 8, 2008 - 12:12 ET by TheSterAlso...Boycott their Advitisers...Money counts!!!
Libs do it...So Shall We!!!
DO IT!!
Ster.
I am a peripheral visionary. I can see the future, but only way off to the side.
Gilguy, my husband and I
November 8, 2008 - 12:28 ET by maggieqpublicGilguy, my husband and I have given up MSM ‘news’ products, but we’re too weak to let go of the sports programming… too many good football games.
I agree completely.
November 8, 2008 - 14:50 ET by pbthinkerNext time around, I plan on cancelling my subscription to the PB Post. I should have done it the last time but I wanted to keep it through the election. As far as the rest of them go, I haven't watch them for ages, except CNNHLN when Glenn Beck was on. Occasionally, I would tune in to see how they were scrambling the news but never to "get" information.
The media better hope that Obama is all he thinks he is. They've invested their credibility in this candidate and, should he fail, they'll lose it with the independents. They've already lost it with the conservatives in this country.
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
I wish I could cancel...
November 8, 2008 - 12:03 ET by Dan LaHoodmy subscription to the Post every day, it feels so good. Poor schmuck, Chris picked up the phone at the Post, sounded like a nice guy but took my salvo direct in the ear. Anyway that represented a gaping hole in what was otherwise a delightful experience.
Anyone who has ever heard Santayana's famous quote about History repeating itself is condemned to repeat it.
"found the candidacy of
November 8, 2008 - 12:10 ET by Nortonalec"found the candidacy of Obama, the first African American major-party nominee, more newsworthy and historic." B.S. That's a nice way of not saying that the most of the members of the MSM would have voted for and given more favorable coverage ANYWAY!
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever."~David St. Hubbins
Wasn't McCain's kind of
November 8, 2008 - 12:27 ET by motherbeltWasn't McCain's kind of "historic" too?
How many guys run for President three times??? Even Al Gore knew to quit...of course, unlike McCain, he had a lucrative business to fall back on....
Tracking since November 11th, 2007
November 8, 2008 - 12:08 ET by timotheThe article states that the Post has been tracking the bias since November 11th, 2007. So why didn't they do anything about it before the election?
The article states that there was very little coverage of Obama's life in post secondary education. So why didn't they do anything about it before the election?
The article states that there wasn't a single story about Obama's drug use as a teen. So why didn't they do anything about it before the election?
I appreciate their admission but...geez...Howard Kurtz had been literally screaming about the bias for months and the Post did nothing!!!! How can the readers think that this article is anything but a very lame attempt to restore credibility with the center right side of their readership?
I don't buy it...that's for sure. They would have been better off by attempting to hide their bias like the NYT or the AP.
Gosh, Howell really purged
November 8, 2008 - 12:22 ET by maggieqpublicGosh, Howell really purged the demons, didn’t she? What a relief.
I think the "Ombudsman"
November 8, 2008 - 12:27 ET by d1carterI think the "Ombudsman" position for most MSM is a joke. Howell went as far as she could and keep her job. Seems as if she really knew what was happening when it was happening but now that the coast is clear, she can post her "findings". Boycott all MSM. When I comment on their blogs, I now sign my posts, "50 Million Americans".
If a judge, who you trust
November 8, 2008 - 12:43 ET by JerryIf a judge, who you trust to be truthful and unbiased, admits to sentencing and freeing people unjustly, would that judge ever be trusted again? Should that judge be allowed to continue in his role as a judge?
The answer is not just no, but h*ll no.
I'm sorry, but once you lose your integrity, it is nearly impossible to earn it back.
It is absolutely unforgivable that they have been monitoring their bias for a year, while continuing to remain biased.
admission
November 8, 2008 - 12:49 ET byis the first step in healing and the denial of bias thoughout the MSM is a sickness. Many of these people are truly deluded
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
botg
November 8, 2008 - 12:59 ET by BlondeIs there a twelve-step program for dishonest journalists?
P.S. }:-
first we need
November 8, 2008 - 14:30 ET byan intervention, unfortunately those in positions to do so merely enable.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
MY GOD!
November 8, 2008 - 12:52 ET by jaywlI can't believe the the Post is writing this. I can't help but laugh when I read it. I keep saying to myself "Of course, you slimy, stupid jerks!. Didn't you know? Of course you did." Now they say they should have done better. A-Holes.
WaPo, CNN, NBC, ABC, NYT,
November 8, 2008 - 13:14 ET by gueinWaPo, CNN, NBC, ABC, NYT, etc, etc...after your shameless behavior during this election, like Fredo Corleone, you are now dead to me. I don't take any of your reporting seriously.
The very definition of "biased commentary"
November 8, 2008 - 13:21 ET by JohnM"Post reporters, photographers and editors -- like most of the national news media -- found the candidacy of Obama, the first African American major-party nominee, more newsworthy and historic."
That the media would find it "more newsworthy" - stop right there! That's a clear admission that the media: 1) made an evaluation rather than a report, 2) abandoned fair coverage of a Presidential RACE (in which TWO people run AGAINST each other and deserve equal coverage), and 3) put disproportionate focus and attention on him.
THESE are the kinds of things that media personnel didn't just happen to do, they CHOSE these actions.
"Obama deserved tougher scrutiny than he got"
Again, this occurred because media personnel CHOSE to ignore the red flags.
And there were more than "one gaping hole in coverage" - check out Erik Rush's "Stalin in Blackface" for a short list: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=79421
I'd like to just repeat and emphasize what you wrote:
"the least-qualified presidential candidate in the modern era was aided and abetted by Obama-loving press outlets like the Post, and admitting this after the fact doesn't lessen the injustice or the lack of journalistic integrity."
Noel, this is an excellent piece. My point is that there needs to be emphasis on the fact that this injustice didn't just happen - individual people in the media made CHOICES to abandon "journalistic integrity", in fact, I'm not sure they ever had any.
Oh isn't this just
November 8, 2008 - 15:11 ET by bigtimerOh isn't this just rich...after they achieved their agenda we read this bull...
give me a break, they do not mean one single word with any kind of sincerity...
what the msm has done to this country in the long run regarding this election is beyond treason as far as I am concerned, they have done this during the war...
I am so sick and tired of the enemy within...no accoutability...ever...this won't stop, listen to Matthews saying he is going to do everything he can to make sure this presidency works, it's HIS JOB...
WaPo, the NYTs, LAT, all of them aren't going to change one iota...let alone the msm...
Another perfect example is Brokaw and Meacham saying they really don't know much about him, some saying he is kind of creepy....blah blah blah...right before the election...
Who do they think they are fooling...just CYA time...just in case.
...they completed their agenda...in spades.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Treason it is BT and they should lose everything.
November 8, 2008 - 16:10 ET by ThalpyTreason it is BT and they should lose everything. Sure, they will be the first to wrap the flag around themselves, claiming that our constitution mentions the press. They are NOT what the Founders had in mind and are an enemy of our country. We expect this from Russia and China, and the EU, but not our press. The problem is, of course, that they are often not our press at all, but are owned by who knows. They are Leftists who have no allegiance to the United States, and I suggest that we return the favor!
Thalpy... for me it said
November 8, 2008 - 16:27 ET by bigtimerThalpy...
for me it said it all when the Justice Dept. did nothing at all about the NYTs and WaPo releasing classified info and other information that was meant to intentionally hurt Pres. Bush, the administration, and the repub party... but mainly our military and the danger they put us in everywhere, including the other countries that were helping us with the detention of the enemy...no, nothing was done...all of us and our safety be damned.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
This was criminal. We to put
November 8, 2008 - 16:54 ET by cocodrieThis was criminal. We need to put some people with backbone in D.C. Our military needs them desperately.
Too late for Mea Culpa, but not too late for penance
November 8, 2008 - 15:15 ET by The_Family_GuyDear Washington Post,
What a sad admission. Your paper (among other news sources) was culpable in one of the more desreputable media charades in recent memory. You now come out and admit that you were biased and you misled the public into making a less than informed decision...but you do so when it is too late.
Why bother? Your bias was already apparent, and your after-the-fact admission does nothing to return journalistic integrity to your paper or the medium in general.
It is too late for a Washington Post Mea Culpa. You failed your readers and your profession. I can only hope that in the tough economic times ahead, conservatives and proponents of truth in journalism will offer your paper the penance it deserves; a stiff reduction in circulation, ad revenue, and political gravitas
Family Guy
November 8, 2008 - 16:37 ET by SvenFamily Guy,
I'll take what you said one step further. Since this rag is touting itself as a reputable newspaper, when it reality they are nothing more than DNC front, I hope they go out of business and these reporters lose their jobs!
Sound harsh? Well it isn't. They're already too stupid to see how this blatant bias has hurt their circulation! In fact, they should go out of business just for their stupidity!
Media coverage and liberal fools
November 8, 2008 - 15:43 ET by VinncyGI was watching the business channels much of Friday and like fools they interviewed one liberal after another discussing Obamas economic policy and they all started out with the same nonsence, "We must give him a chance because we really don't know much about him". By the end of the day I wanted to through my shoe at the screen.
Who's fault is that, the answer is that liberals are fools who are easily lead and can't make an intellegent decision on their own especially if its not in the NY Times, Wahington Post or any other in the tank liberal source.
We conservatives were begging for the media to be fair and look into this imposters past. But no, they needed to send the armies to Alaska. The truth is, the information about Obama was available IF YOU CARED TO LOOK IT UP.
Now we all are stuck with someone unknown to those who elected him. Disgraceful.
So who is easily led?!?
November 8, 2008 - 19:38 ET by needleIt used to be received wisdom that “the Germans are easily led” as part of the explanation of how it was that they started two world wars.
I do not think that the half of Americans that were conned into voting for Obama should ever criticize the Germans on that score.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
mea culpa?
November 8, 2008 - 17:02 ET by TN MomWaPo didn't just wake up today and say 'oops, we're biased'. they knew they were biased with each and every single word, with each and every single slant, and with each and every single omisson. WaPo knew it and did not care!
I got so tired of the Media calling me (Republican) angry& racist.
mea culpa? I don't think so! I, and 56million others demand and deserve a very PUBLIC apology!!
WaPo can start by printing ALL the stories they can on obama's undergraduate years, his relationship with Rezko, Kahlidi, Jerimiah Wright, etc. etc. Oh, and for each and every article previously published, they need to re-run with added emphasis of bias, while they covering current news of Obama's admin in an unbiased, professional manner.
norryrr
November 8, 2008 - 17:21 ET by Ron Rabenorryrr
The real purpose of this
November 8, 2008 - 17:22 ET by entThe real purpose of this article was to cover up the bias.
Let me explain. The gist of their article was that the bias was there but not that bad, like 60/40 in favor of Obama. But consider who was doing the judging ... the liberals who work at the paper! I have no doubt that if you asked conservatives to make the same judgements, they would conclude that the imbalance was more like 90/10 or 99/1.
I don't read the WAPO but with my local paper, in the year before the election, I don't recall reading anything positive about McCain or anything negative about Obama. There was some reasonably neutral reporting but most of it showed bias. Even the photographs were consistently biased.
No, the purpose of the article was to persuade us that the bias wasn't that bad and to lead us to believe that they will do better in the future. Of course, when the next election rolls around in a couple of years, this assurance will be long forgotten.
norryrr
November 8, 2008 - 17:23 ET by Ron Rabenorryrr
RonR... First time I have
November 8, 2008 - 17:32 ET by bigtimerRonR...
First time I have caught you here...what is norryrr supposed to mean?
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
norryrr It means nothing to
November 8, 2008 - 17:38 ET by Ron Rabenorryrr It means nothing to anybody but me and one other person. RR is my initals...Nor is Ron and the rest is a secret
RonR... LOL. thanks for
November 8, 2008 - 17:49 ET by bigtimerRonR...
LOL.
thanks for the reply.
we have another poster here with the same initials if memory serves me, so I will continue to post RonR...which will be no secret.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
norryrr Does anyone here
November 8, 2008 - 17:33 ET by Ron Rabenorryrr
Does anyone here think they care about what you think
of their bias. This is just a in your face article. It says we
did it so what! At this moment they are running articles
about Sarah Palin with no substance...more in your face
Quit buying their crap...I did several years ago...haven't missed a thing
Certainly was not one bit
November 8, 2008 - 19:09 ET by brerolCertainly was not one bit surprized by Howells conclusion. The bias by WaPo and many others was quite clear to see and hear. And this bias is dangerous. The institution of the media is vital to a free society. For it to florish the public must have full trust the news they recieve is honest and objective. With the election of Obama many people out there are seiously questioning whether or not McCain got a fair shake from the media. This mistrust could very well carry over to the presidency of President Obama. We have serious problems out there that no one person can solve. It will have to be a team effort in order for us to unravel the conflicts ahead. With Howells recent conclusion I'm afraid Obamas task as president will now be that much more difficult to deal with. And there lies the irony. The press goes all out to ensure Obama won the election and in the process the media just intensified the challenge Obama will have in leading our nation. Memo to the press. Be carefull what you ask for. You just might get it.
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It finally dawned on me
November 8, 2008 - 19:59 ET by ConservativeRexIt finally dawned on me where Obami's governing is coming from. It's not FDR, Wilson or even Marx.
You have to go way back. Back to the French Revolution. The revolutionist were clearly leftists. They hated the rich and murdered fully 50,000 people to prove that "everyone was a citizen, everyone is equal".
They even changed the way they spoke, The words they used. How they phrased words was completely different than before the revolution.
They certainly were the first leftists. Read up on it and see if you can make the same conections. It's damn near spot on, less the murdering. So far. The French wanted change too. And got it.
Les Miserables!
November 8, 2008 - 20:15 ET by TN MomLes Miserables!
These guys say it better than I
November 8, 2008 - 20:03 ET by Dexter the Beagle“Of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants”
Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No.1 October 27,1797
“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.”Thomas Jefferson
CRex and Dexter... Thank
November 8, 2008 - 20:14 ET by bigtimerCRex and Dexter...
Thank you both....great posts...makes one think deep.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
D'oh!
November 10, 2008 - 10:40 ET by Mary Louise TurnerNow these morons tell us...