It appears the good folks at the Huffington Post have a firm grasp on the hatefulness of their members, for the article published there on Saturday concerning the passing of Tony Snow is not accepting comments.
I guess Huffington's employees anticipated disgusting remarks about the former White House press secretary, and rather than deal with them on an individual basis chose to prevent them completely.
This seems a good decision considering the disgraceful behavior of HuffPosters in February 2007 when a homicide bomber struck outside a military compound in Afghanistan where Vice President Dick Cheney was staying.
Update at end of post: Netroots on the offensive concerning Snow's demise.
Michelle Malkin preserved the unpleasantness for all to see here.
With this in mind, it was highly likely things were going to get ugly there today, and quickly, which raises an interesting question: were comments closed out of respect for Tony, or to prevent the world from once again seeing just how hateful folks on the ultra-left are today?
*****Update: Much as after last week's announcement concerning the death of former Sen. Jesse Helms, Netroots commenters are dancing on Tony's grave today. As I have no interest in giving this too much attention, and don't want to copy any of this feculence here, readers can opt on their own to click on the following links to see how the supposedly compassionate left behave when someone on the right dies (vulgarity alert):
Tony Snow MORE IMPORTANT than Dead Soldiers
On the flipside, the folks at Democratic Underground have decided to delete comments about Snow they find offensive:
I gave the moderators instructions to delete inappropriate posts about Tony Snow.
So, instead of creating extra work for them, it would be nice if people would voluntarily refrain from posting inflammatory crap that makes us all look like jerks.
Thank you for your understanding.
Skinner
DU Admin
Nicely done, Skinner.
*****Update II: HuffPo opened the Snow article for comments at approximately 1:29PM.
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Which is it?
July 12, 2008 - 11:36 ET by AuVox...were comments closed out of respect for Tony, or to prevent the world from once again seeing just how hateful folks on the ultra-left are today?
Ummmm...I'm gonna go with "B". Final answer...
AuVox
he he he
July 12, 2008 - 11:36 ET by candanceThe lefties will be fuming and calling it a conspiracy. Then you'll see the spillover at DKos and other sites.
I can't quite tell what's the bigger story here - the admins have enough care to try to be classy or their members are just that bad.
Arriana knew if she didn't
July 12, 2008 - 12:01 ET by BlazerArriana knew if she didn't close the flood gates on her sewer, Huffpo would have gotten hit with the same turds that DKOS and Du did.
I'm sure she's nodding in silent agreement though.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
I'm glad that Arianna had the good......
July 12, 2008 - 12:12 ET by BEGRUNTsense to stop the bilge before it started. I'm sure they will all run to the kos kooks to spew their venom. These SOB's have no respect for anyone or anything......they truly are psychotic, and pathetic.
Tony, you will be missed by all of us......a lone sane voice in the White House press corps. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. May Gods light shine upon you, rest in peace.
BGM.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
By their friends shall ye know them, Arianna
July 12, 2008 - 12:36 ET by Jack BauerIt must make the former conservative, Arianne Stasinipolus, feel so good to know that she left her friends behind to ally herself with people who are consumed with such raging hate.
Well done Arianne!
I was fishing around to find
July 12, 2008 - 17:37 ET by Chris NormanI was fishing around to find a term to describe the jump ol' Arrianna made politically and all I can come up with is "political prostitute" - but that's not quite right either. A mercenary, perhaps? No, that would be Dick Morris. Hmmm.
McNotObama '08
chris -- hows about The
July 13, 2008 - 10:50 ET by Jack Bauerchris -- hows about The Crappy Hooker?
Did Dick and Arriana
July 14, 2008 - 09:55 ET by Hero SquadDid Dick and Arriana high-five when they passed each other on their way to the other side?
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"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
At least they are being
July 12, 2008 - 12:39 ET by Cureboy675At least they are being respectful to Mr Snow by closing down the comments. There will always always the mean-spirited crackpots who will make disgusting remarks at a time like this. No matter what side of the spectrum they are from.
No matter what side of the
July 12, 2008 - 19:20 ET by PeskyDaneNo matter what side of the spectrum they are from.
No, just that side. Nice try at moral equivalence, though.
Like I mentioned some place
July 12, 2008 - 19:24 ET by Cureboy675Like I mentioned some place else. I'm not really interested in keeping score of which political party says more offensive things when a person dies. If that's your interest, then carry on.
Nice try at keeping everybody labelled and divided, though.
disrespecful comments regarding Tony Snow
July 12, 2008 - 12:47 ET by shawn228There is a huge difference between how disrespecful the posters of Newsbusters and Huffpo and Du are, I am not not denying that, but Brent Bozell did the same thing and closed off comments for his article re: Tim Russert last month on NB.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Right you are Shawn, but
July 12, 2008 - 12:51 ET by BlazerRight you are Shawn, but there were plenty of posts up shortly thereafter on Mr. Russert that followed where the comments were not closed and they came minutes not hours or days after that were respectful and showed class toward Mr. Russert and his family.It was the usual suspects over at Kos and DU that were trashing him.
I just took it as Mr. Bozell wanting to pay tribute personally to Mr. Russert without any personal opinion interjected in either direction. Plus Mr. Bozell doesn't post as much as the other contributers and being at the top of the masthead I sort of looked at as a sort of "Special Comment" by him.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Exactly right blazer
July 12, 2008 - 12:56 ET by Dee BunkIt was Bozell's personal tribute and the other articles had comments. The huffpo didn't even do their own tribute. It' looks like they just posted other peoples stuff. They didn't do a personal tribute unless it's on a different page or something. Does anyone know if they did do one?
"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB
I see your point Blazer
July 12, 2008 - 13:02 ET by shawn228I just wanted to point out that Mr. Bozell did something similar. Du is a site full of crackpots but looks like they are banning all mean and disrespecful comments for Tony Snow as well.
PS
Looks like the the new Star Wars clone movie will be pretty good.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Like I said as I'm sure
July 12, 2008 - 13:13 ET by BlazerLike I said as I'm sure most here will agree it was a personal heartfelt tribute by Mr. Bozell and not some sinister plot to circumvent free speech or cover up a deluge of hateful comments, like Arianna did. She knew full well what was getting ready to happen over there and decided to hurry up and pull Huffpo out of the toilet before it overflowed.
I just thought you were comparing apples to oranges when it came to NB and Huffpo, but on the surface you are correct.
Shawn, imho the last "Star Wars" movie was "Return Of The Jedi", isn't the new "Clones" movie animated ?
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Shawn
July 12, 2008 - 13:19 ET by Noel SheppardShawn,
I was expecting someone was going to bring this up, but I imagined it would be a troll or a hater. I must admit I'm disappointed it's you.
On the day Tim Russert died, we had a large number of articles concerning his life and his death. We didn't close comments on any of them.
However, Brent wanted to offer his opinions about Tim, and wanted them to stand on their own without comment. For this situation to be at all analogous, the article at HP should have been written by Arianna. It wasn't. It was an AP story about Tony's death. Furthermore, from what I can tell, there are no other articles or posts currently at HP concerning Tony. As such, HPers have NO outlet to comment.
This is NOT what occurred here the day Tim died, and any suggestion of similarity is errant and disingenuous.
That doesn't mean we can't get together at Izzy's for a beer and some fried oysters, though!!! :-) ns
Noel
July 12, 2008 - 18:34 ET by shawn228Noel, I hope you don't think I meant any disrespect, i mentioned already in my original post that there was a huge difference between NB and DU and HuffPo.
I just wanted to point it out because there was a conservative members that questioned that decision as well.
Anyways, i'm not as confident of Obama picking Hillary as his vp now, so I might lose out bet, but I have not given up hope :-)
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Unfortunately one of the
July 12, 2008 - 13:34 ET by bigtimerUnfortunately one of the first things that crossed my mind after the heart-breaking news for me about Tony passing, was the leftist bogs...
I will not check them out...I can already imagine their hatefulness...they can't help themselves, these critters are nothing but hate-filled in my opinion.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt......I looked at about two posts on that hate filled.......
July 12, 2008 - 15:24 ET by BEGRUNTcrap that Noel provided a link to......pathetic, just pathetic. I have never really gone to any of those sites before, all I can say is my blood pressure went through the roof. I will never do that again. I knew there was scum in the world, but never displayed in such a fashion as I saw.....truly revolting, and disgusting, to think a human being can think the way they do. There is NO comparison between those sites and NB's NONE!! We NBers my go at each other now and again.....but nothing like what I saw. Hatred for the sake of hatred.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
The folks on the left can't
July 12, 2008 - 14:06 ET by marvlThe folks on the left can't seem to see beyond their own hatred. How can these people be that viscous and lacking in compassion?
Courting
July 12, 2008 - 18:43 ET by ThisnThat"How can these people be that viscous and lacking in compassion?"
And don't forget, those are the people Obama courted during the primaries. When he made his comments regarding "clinging to their guns", these are the ones he wanted to hear his comments.
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I think it largely comes
July 12, 2008 - 19:19 ET by BigSky1970I think it largely comes from denying the existance of God.
Kennedy
July 12, 2008 - 15:20 ET by JDWI was not here but would have been surprised to have seen a negative post on Kennedy during his hospitalization. Obviously remarks were possible in the open post but again, I would not have expected them.
Outside URLs treated him kindly as did FOX.
The difference in our parties in this aspect alone is quite apparent.
JDW
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RIP
July 12, 2008 - 15:23 ET by ImAllRightGod be with you Tony and your family.
I would hope though that all of the posters on here that are angered by a few insensitive remarks made on the lefty blogs will respect and use constraint when Senator Kennedy succumbs to his illness or any other symbol of liberals today, which hopefully won't be soon as nobody should wish death upon anyone.
I hope Tony went peacfully and fast as his time approached, cancer is no joke.
Sad to see people being that
July 12, 2008 - 15:27 ET by mjgSad to see people being that awful. They can't let someone rest in peace. Whether they disagreed with him or not.
I purused the HP comments
July 12, 2008 - 15:37 ET by HermanoI purused the HP comments and it seems that there are about 40-50% negative posts about which 10% were really vile. The remainder were basically, "I didn't agree with him, but may be rest in peace" type responses. I am actually relieved it was not worse.
How can it be explained?
July 12, 2008 - 16:09 ET by Amanda JusticeI'm just so puzzled by the venom on the left. How is it humanly possibly (and I'm seriously asking this question) for anybody to have these kinds of thoughts after another human being passes? I really am having a hard time grasping these souls that appear to be nothing more than black holes without depth. How can the world see this display and not have utter disgust and disdain for these sorry excuses for humans?
I took some time...
July 12, 2008 - 17:06 ET by 3strikesto check out as many posts on the Liberal websites as I could stomach, which I will admit wasn't much. But one thing that stood out from the vitriol was a simple explanation made by several of the posters.
They said something to the effect of, "You wouldn't write condolences to Hitler or Goebbles, would you?"
While there are a few civil and decent people on their side, the vast majority of the left now considers anyone who is of the Conservative bent as equal to Nazis. And anyone who actually is a public figure of the Conservative ideology is equal to Hitler. This is the modern liberal mindset.
We Conservatives believe that Liberals are simply misguided, and if one of their leaders... say Ted Kennedy died, the vast majority of Conservatives would write something to the effect of, "I completely disagreed with everything that man stood for, but I wish his family comfort, and I hope that he rests in peace."
Liberals on the other hand believe that Conservatives are EVIL, and while a few people were decent enough to write something similar to what I wrote above, most almost gleefully spoke of Tony being waterboarded in the deepest dungeon of hell.
This is modern Liberalism.
OK. First of all, I am not
July 12, 2008 - 19:04 ET by Cureboy675OK. First of all, I am not defending any of the mean-spirited comments. They show a complete and utter lack of taste and respect.
But please don't go so far as saying something as all-encompassing as "This is modern Liberalism". Because its not true. Yes, there are the mean (actually I would describe them as sick) people who take joy in somebody else's death. But its not a liberal thing and its not a conservative thing. Some people are cruel. And if you seek out those people, you're going to find them.
I was about to revisit the list of quotes that I compiled shortly after we went through all of this with Jesse Helms. A list of quotes dealing with some mean-spirited reaction to Ted Kennedy's diagnosis. But then I realized, what's the point? I am not really interested in using somebody's death to tabulate a scorecard over who is more insensitive. Because that in itself is pretty disrespectful to the deceased.
You're never going to shame people (no matter what their political affiliation is) into keeping their uncivilized mouths shut at a time like this. We're in the Internet age, where people can shoot their mouths off via the laptop in their living room and not have to worry about seeing that look of total disgust and contempt that they would see in somebody's eyes if they were "brave enough" to say something like this in public.
Okay, cure. Then, can you
July 12, 2008 - 19:28 ET by Chris NormanOkay, cure. Then, can you explain how these liberals reconcile such hate and mean-spiritedness with their pronounced self-view of themselves as more compassionate and tolerant than conservatives?
My theory is, in demonizing conservatives, especially the Bush Administration, they have made it easy for themselves to treat someone like Tony Snow as sub-human, where rules of respect for the deceased don't apply. The hatred has grown out of control - and long ago.
McNotObama '08
Like I said. I'm not here
July 12, 2008 - 20:05 ET by Cureboy675Like I said. I'm not here to defend them. Because I don't even want to defend that kind of behavior.
Are there some liberals that are filled with vitriol and hatred and have the gall to then claim to be compassionate? Absolutely. Conversely, there are conservatives that are just as filled with vitriol and hatred and have the gall to then claim to be God-fearing Evangelicals.
I just guarantee you that you will never find a stereotype that accurately describes everybody in a particular group. All liberals are not pure-hearted. All liberals are not cold-hearted. The same goes for conservatives.
"I just guarantee you
July 12, 2008 - 20:22 ET by Blazer"I just guarantee you that you will never find a stereotype that accurately describes everybody in a particular group."
Wrong once again Cure, the overwhelming majority of the left are in-humane, vile, disgusting and intolerant when it comes to finding humanity when it comes to a difference of ideaology.
Funny ( not very) though they seem to have more love for Americas enemies than they do their statesmen, and soldiers.
A small, very small minority exists here on the right that relishes un-abounded joy in a fellow human beings death due to party affiliation.
Prove us wrong, I implore you. Prove us wrong!
P.S.- And make sure you post the proof !
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Thank you Blaze. "America
July 12, 2008 - 20:26 ET by bigtimerThank you Blaze.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Your welcome bt, and thank
July 12, 2008 - 20:34 ET by BlazerYour welcome bt, and thank you and the multitudes of other truly passionate and tolerant pundits and conservatives that made it possible for me to say that, and back it up.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
You expect me to argue with
July 12, 2008 - 23:10 ET by Cureboy675You expect me to argue with a statement like "the overwhelming majority of the left are in-humane, vile, disgusting and intolerant".
Your mind is obviously made up. Nothing I could ever say would ever persuade you. You see what you want to see. You see only that which further reinforces what you already believe. Everything else is ignored or explained away. How sad for you.
blazer is correct
July 12, 2008 - 23:52 ET by candanceI realize that there are some people who are just plain crazy no matter what they believe about politics. That said, there is a very disturbing trend in the American left in which these hateful kooks are becoming more and more commonplace - and more implicitly accepted.
No one is here to keep score, but if you took NB and HuffPo on any random day and compared them, you would find much more callousness and anger on HuffPo.
I'm not saying this with any kind of sneering attitude. Honestly it saddens me. But HuffPo has that reputation for a reason and I won't let you sugarcoat it.
I'm totally not trying to
July 13, 2008 - 00:12 ET by Cureboy675I'm totally not trying to be disrespectful. But its all a matter of perspective. As a "liberal" who posts here at Newsbusters I see all kinds of callousness and anger. The earlier statement "the overwhelming majority of the left are in-humane, vile, disgusting and intolerant". That's a prime example. More often than not, I'm guessing you don't recognize it because it is not directed towards you or your particular beliefs.
But the opposite is true for you. At a place like Huffington Post, you would absolutely see the anger and callousness because it is directed towards you or your particular beliefs.
Everybody, including me, lets their beliefs cloud their judgement to some degree. And everybody, including me, will be a lot more quick to realize when their side is being attacked as opposed to realizing when somebody on their side is doing the attacking.
I'm totally not trying to be disrespectful...?
July 13, 2008 - 03:14 ET by marvl"I'm totally not trying to be disrespectful?"
WTF? Are you, like, totally only, like, 13 years old? Man, that's, like, totally bogus.
Thank you for proving my
July 13, 2008 - 09:15 ET by Cureboy675Thank you for proving my point.
I vote...
July 14, 2008 - 10:23 ET by ontheright...planted "troll".
Cure I'll quote one of your
July 13, 2008 - 08:28 ET by BlazerCure I'll quote one of your true heroes:
"I feel your pain."
But like I said "prove" me wrong. The only thing you've offered up so far are empty platitudes. The fact is, a great majority of people on the left are vile and disgusting when it comes to relaying their sentiments. No surprise however, 62% of liberals are mentally ill.
Your above posts only reinforce the fact that you know what I said is true. I can provide the links to back what I said up, can you?
(crickets chirping, tumbleweed blows by)
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
With all due respect to
July 13, 2008 - 09:25 ET by Cureboy675With all due respect to your crickets and your tumbleweed. You lay down some blanket statement like the great majority on the left are vile and disgusting when it comes to relaying their sentiments, and then you simply say "Prove me wrong".
What would you have me do? Track down 100 well-written and though out dissertations by the left? Because I could do it. The only thing that will prove is that I know how to use a search engine. And then we know what's going to happen. You are going to counter with 100 dissertations that were written by the uninformed and the angry. The only thing that will prove is that you are also capable of using a search engine. Am I wrong?
If I honestly thought that would be anything but a vain effort, I would gladly do it. But when you have it stuck in your head that 62% of liberals are mentally ill (By the way, where on God's green acres did you come up with that little tidbit?) I see little point in wasting my time in such a manner.
I believe you claimed
July 13, 2008 - 09:41 ET by general companyI believe you claimed that the Right was just as foul as the Left. You have not proved that, but continue to state it as fact. Your wrong, BTW I think the 62%, is the percentage of all liberals that are in counseling. Are you?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
You're right. But you
July 13, 2008 - 09:51 ET by Cureboy675You're right. But you didn't mention what else I said. I also said I was fully prepared to repost all the vile comments I found when Ted Kennedy was diagnosed with his brain tumor. But I added that I really didn't have interest in turning this into a game where we search for the most disgusting comments and then tabulate a score to see who found more. If you really insist that I play that game, I guess I could do it.
And I could easily lie and say that I have never been in counseling. But I won't. I had a lot of issues in my teenage years and am I still on medication to this very day to control it. If you want to have your way with that, go right ahead. Heck, you could even use me as your new statistic and say that 100% of liberals are mentally ill.
If you want to have
July 13, 2008 - 10:06 ET by general companyIf you want to have your way with that, go right ahead.
I would not do that, maybe now you will realize why some of us get a bit perturbed about your comparisons. You have accused others of making broad statements while ignoring your own. BTW when someone points out your hypocrisy, it isn't the same thing as the hate filled BS we get from the left, on all topics.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
What broad statement did I
July 13, 2008 - 11:02 ET by Cureboy675What broad statement did I make? I said that there were some conservatives that were just as capable of being cruel and cold-blooded as some liberals. Are you saying you disagree with that statement? And I certainly never suggested that most or nearly all of conservatives were like that.
On the other hand we have people saying something like "the overwhelming majority" or "the great majority" of the left are vile, disgusting inhumane, etc, etc. And I'm saying I do disagree with that statement.
I said that there were some
July 13, 2008 - 11:15 ET by Free StinkerI said that there were some conservatives that were just as capable of being cruel and cold-blooded as some liberals.
Please see Shawn's Comment below.
Conservatives like that exist, but you won't see them here.
I did see Shawn's comment
July 13, 2008 - 11:51 ET by Cureboy675I did see Shawn's comment and I responded to it. I have seen Conservatives like that here. But it is extremely rare. And if this were an argument solely about Newsbusters, I would whole-heartedly agree. Nearly all the people on this particular board are very decent and respectful. But I won't say the same applies to the rest of the vast internet.
Cure I never said that
July 13, 2008 - 12:42 ET by BlazerCure I never said that there weren't cruel conservatives out there, there have certainly been some here and at other conservative sites but it's a very very small percentage. Off-color comments are not put up with here by the masthead or the members of this site or most other conservative oriented sites. Disgusting comments are deleted and the members banned. That type of behavoir however is not only encouraged by most leftist sites but alot of the admins. join in on it.
What I said is an "overwhelming majority" of members of liberal oriented sites are "vile and disgusting" and filled with hate, thats not a "broad statement" its simply fact. Sorry you cant' handle that.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
I'd like to know what makes
July 13, 2008 - 14:42 ET by Cureboy675I'd like to know what makes it a fact. Just because you say its true? I've got news for you: Your opinion does not always equal fact. If you want to say something like "In my opinion, the overwhelming majority and blah blah blah", I'll roll my eyes, mumble something to myself about how I disagree and we'd be done with it.
But to state it as fact. You can't possibly do that in any realistic manner. How would you judge such a thing? By finding statements that you yourself find disgusting. That is an opinion. I honestly don't give a damn what you personally think. But I'll not support your notion that your own personal views and beliefs are undeniable facts.
All you have to do cure is
July 13, 2008 - 15:04 ET by BlazerAll you have to do cure is venture over to any liberal site when something bad befalls a conservative, from Cheneys heart problems and the attempt made on his life in Afghanistan, to the church shootings in Colorado, or the recent death of Jesse Helms, it goes on and on and on. When not openly jumping for joy over a conservatives recent passing they are either wishing for it, or calling for it.
There is definitive debauchery and a sickness going on, on the left that only mental illness can explain.
Like I said it's a fact, the majority of members and sites on the left are filled hate, profanity and vitriol and are without class. Very few members and sites exist like that on the right.
I am no way insinuating that you are one of them, I have not seen you act that way on here, but then again I didn't see you or any other liberal on here posting any sentiments for Mr. Snow, not for his politics but for the family man and humanitarian and human being he was.
Instead of spending so much time in our house some of you guys may want to go clean up yours first, just sayin'.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
"Instead of spending so
July 13, 2008 - 15:41 ET by shawn228"Instead of spending so much time in our house some of you guys may want to go clean up yours first, just sayin' "
Too many dirty used needles and emply granola bars to clean up there ;-)
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
............and Cheeto's.
July 13, 2008 - 15:45 ET by Blazer............and Cheeto's. : )
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
speaking of munchies...
July 13, 2008 - 15:59 ET by shawn228.....that was one of the funniest comments I ever heard last week. What was it you said again? The Dems are going to be eating taco supremes and they will be using Howard Deans A$$ cheeks as the shell? LMAO
You right about the loonie liberals and they are filled with nothing but hate. I don't know the exact percentage, but many of the right hate the left with the same white burning hate.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Sure I detest the
July 13, 2008 - 16:53 ET by BlazerSure I detest the politics and ideaology of many but my white hot burning hate is reserved for a special few. At the same time I try and keep in mind that at the end of the day were all someones spouse, parent, child, or sibling and child of God and that goes deeper for me than any politics.
Now alot of us may think a lot of things we would not actually say or do, but when you start saying it, rationalizing and justifying it all the while getting patted on the back by the collective group, how long before the individual or the group start acting on it?
If you de-humanize an individual because of politics or ideaological differences, you can then compare them to something that people kill millions of everyday, like a cockroach or a rat, like Hitler compared to the Jews.
Remember Hitler was talking about killing millions a decade before he actually started doing it.
Now do me favor. I want you to take a good hard look at this post. I wouldn't give cure the pleasure of going over to the nutroots to post any proof, but were friends, so I did it especially for you. After that maybe you can tell me of any where on the right you have seen that level of hate and vitriol. Try not to get sick.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/13/83650/9395/592/550616
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blazer.....as I have said before.....I have never been to....
July 13, 2008 - 17:24 ET by BEGRUNTthose sites, until the death of Tony Snow. I'm at a loss for words to describe what I have been seeing. I cant believe a fellow human being could say such things about a man who has just passed. No matter his politics. These people are truly psychotic, mentally ill. My feeling is that they would never say that crap in public, because they would be shunned. They are cowards hiding behind a screen name, but what comes out is how they REALLY feel, and that is as disturbing as hell.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Yep BEGRUNT, it's very
July 13, 2008 - 17:38 ET by BlazerYep BEGRUNT, it's very dis-heartening as well. But try and keep in mind that the nutroots are for the most part far-left and in no way represent most decent liberals.
Most liberals I know are decent hard working people that share most of the same values we do, I know because my parents and the majority of my family are liberals from the Northeast.
Although the majority of the posters and sites on the left are filled with alot of hate I didn't mean to imply that was how most liberals are, I believe those places are dominated by the fringe.
We have some liberals that post here, some who I like and respect very much, that in my opinion represent the vast majority of the left.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blazer, thank you for
July 13, 2008 - 17:44 ET by Cureboy675Blazer, thank you for saying that. I think I might have misunderstood what you were saying. Some liberals might very well be more apt to say vicious things in the privacy of their own home on their laptops when they don't have to look somebody in the eye and see the disgusted reaction.
I was under the impression you were suggesting nearly all liberals genuinely felt that way. And that was why I got so upset.
I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion.
No need to apogise I
July 13, 2008 - 17:53 ET by BlazerNo need to apogise I should have made my point a little more clear from the beginning.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
I agree Blazer.......
July 13, 2008 - 17:52 ET by BEGRUNTmost of the liberals I know are decent people, as are some here, with a couple of exceptions, but by and large are good folks who I enjoy engaging in spirited debates..We sometimes get a drive by troll that exhibits signs of the mental instability of the lefty sites. But most of our liberal friends here are good people. That is why I have never gone to the other sites, I dont like that garbage, and NB is my home, and always will be.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Hi Begrunt... Not to butt
July 13, 2008 - 17:56 ET by bigtimerHi Begrunt...
Not to butt in here...but...lol...
I can't believe you've never read these critters hate-filled vitriol when something happens to a conservative....
Like I posted yesterday somewhere, first thing I did when I heard about Tony was shed a tear or five thousand, then said a prayer, then thought of this site, then thought of what the leftist sites would be saying, promising myself I wasn't going to even link there, and I didn't until Noel made an update later in the evening here that I saw, well I looked, read, got angry, commented/posted ect...
...they are pathetic little creatures of the devils work in my opinion.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt....you know, I just never did.....maybe on a rare occasion...
July 13, 2008 - 18:16 ET by BEGRUNTbut i was completly turned off each time, so I stayed away. It wasn't until Tony Snow that I really took a hard look at those sites..........I now know why I really never looked at them, nor will I again.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Yeah Blazer
July 13, 2008 - 18:14 ET by shawn228I agree, those were pretty disgusting comments. Here is a few I found, but not quite as bad as the kosers
this link
"karma at its best.. bet that little girl he left to die in the water
finally feels her life wasnt in vain.. he had many years to show MA
just what a loser he is.. hes a crook and a murderer who left a young
woman to die to.. he got what he deserved!!"
I only searched for a about 10 minutes, although I feel there is just as much hate on the right as there is on the left, when it comes to when people pass on or have a disease. conservative posters are a lot more respectful.
Its also nice that you and I can have a civil discussion without getting in a pi$$ing match.:-)
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Not a fan of Savage, I
July 13, 2008 - 18:26 ET by BlazerNot a fan of Savage, I believe he's way over the top and that he doesn't really believe in what he says as much as he's carved a comfortable niche' out for himself. At any rate I believe he mostly preaches to the choir, and draws in the extremist element on our side.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
~
July 13, 2008 - 18:44 ET by Free StinkerI.think.that.when.the.comments.get.that.narrow
it.is.time.to.start.a.new.thread.
Just.sayin'
Exactly Blazer!
July 13, 2008 - 16:26 ET by Dee BunkThat's been my mantra. Cureboy is one of the respectful liberals from what I've seen so far, but even still, they have a lot more house cleaning to do with their own before they can nit pick here.
OK. You know what. I'm
July 13, 2008 - 16:51 ET by Cureboy675OK. You know what. I'm done with this conversation because you hit a little too close to home for me with the Colorado church shootings remark and I need to keep quiet or I'm really going to lose my cool.
David Works and I both worked for the same company and I personally worked with him on many projects. He is a great guy a true gentlemen. In case the name doesn't ring a bell, he was the one who was shot at that church and had his two daughters killed at that church.
And you're right. It disgusts me when people on the left take delight in the death of a Tony Snow or a Jesse Helms. And although you'll never believe me, nearly all the people I associate with would never be that cruel.
But you know what else makes me kind of ill? Using a tragedy like the church shooting or the death of a Senator or the death of an accomplished and respected man like Tony Snow to sit there and say, "Look how vile the others guys are. I mean, yeah, we can be vile too. But, you know, I think these other guys are worse and therefore we must be the compassionate ones".
Honestly, using somebody else's tragedy to your own advantage like that is, in my own personal opinion, just as disgraceful as making light of the tragedy. And again, that is my opinion. I am not about to claim any of this as fact.
But like I said, I really can't be calm about this conversation anymore so I have to go simmer down. Maybe I'll go have granola bars, whatever the hell that means.
Look I'm sorry you lost a
July 13, 2008 - 17:11 ET by BlazerLook I'm sorry you lost a friend in the church shooting, but that doesn't change the fact that what I said is true and you know it is. I wasn't sensationalizing the tragedy I was using it as some of the proof that you insisted I provide, and I had know way of knowing this was a personal tragedy for you, I will not bring it up again in the future where you are concerned.
Along with conservatives the left also doesn't particularly care for Christians. Now you and I both know how absurd that is because you certainly can be a liberal or a conservative Christian, but when the left saw "white" and "Christian" they automatically assumed they were conservatives and immediately unleashed a gleeful torrent of vitriol directed at them when the news broke.
Now with that said keep in mind this post and entire thread is based on the hate emanating from the left and you interjected yourself into this argument and I wont' apologise for that.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
No. I'm the one who is
July 13, 2008 - 17:38 ET by Cureboy675No. I'm the one who is sorry. I know you weren't intentionally trying to be vicious.
But can you understand how it infuriates me. To hear somebody saying that nearly everybody I associate with would take delight in something like that. Do you understand, if I was in earshot of somebody saying something like that (meaning taking delight like that), I would want to crack their skull. I know, not a very civilized or dignified response, but thats how I would feel.
I am, however, done with the "who is less evil" debate. Because, like I said, what kind of nobility is there in being the victor of that contest?
However, it is very very difficult for me to be silent when somebody says that almost everybody who shares my beliefs is inhumane and vile and so on. The part that really burns is when you say repeatedly "Its a fact". Its NOT a fact. If you could meet the people I hang out with and volunteer with. They are good people. Nevermind, I realize its pointless.
I just wish you would see beyond the noisy and vicious minority. Keep an open mind. A willingness to see that the majority of us are not evil or mentally ill. I guess that will just have to keep on being a wish.
Look I understand, see my
July 13, 2008 - 17:46 ET by BlazerLook I understand, see my post BEGRUNT above, hopefully that will clear things up a bit. When I said "fact" I meant the world wide web sites and masthead on the left, or netroots if you will, not everyday liberals, who I think I share alot of the same values with like yourself or my mom & dad.
I believe the netroots are the fringe and in no way representative of the vast majority of liberals, but nonetheless they dominate over there.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Yes. I saw your response
July 13, 2008 - 17:54 ET by Cureboy675Yes. I saw your response after I posted this. I hope that you also saw my apology. Because I meant it.
Check again, Blazer...
July 13, 2008 - 18:46 ET by Jerbut then again I didn't see you or any other liberal on here posting any sentiments for Mr. Snow, not for his politics but for the family man and humanitarian and human being he was.
Check again, Blazer...I came out of retirement specifically to do precisely that--posting my sentiments yesterday [on the "What Will Tony Snow Be Remembered for Best" thread].
Best wishes to everyone,
Jer
Hi Jer
July 13, 2008 - 18:57 ET by shawn228I'm sad I have not seen you for so long :-( I hope your mother is still doing well after her surgury.
Looks like Blazer missed mine too. Top of the class I might add :-)
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Sorry guys I stand
July 13, 2008 - 19:00 ET by BlazerSorry guys I stand corrected. I should have done done my research before I shot my mouth.....fingers off. Just the same thats one of the points I was trying to make about how humanity transcends politics, it seems as though you guys already understand that. : )
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Your statement is somewhat
July 13, 2008 - 11:21 ET by general companyYour statement is somewhat refined from your earlier remarks. I am refering to the word "some". But, if you are still suggesting that their are as many ill willed posters on the Right then there are on the Left, you are still wrong. The broad statements I am suggesting are the one where you seem to be claiming this as fact.
In my eyes, you can either crawlfish from this belief, or be wrong. Either way, it wont require any more dialoge from me.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
OK. Let me use an analogy,
July 13, 2008 - 11:37 ET by Cureboy675OK. Let me use an analogy, that while completely inappropriate, best describes how I feel about this whole argument:
Adolf Hitler was responsible for deaths for 6 million Jews. Pol Pot was responsible for the deaths of 1.7 million Cambodians. Should we really celebrate Pol Pot as being more humane and compassionate because there is somebody else that has a bigger number?
All I am saying is think about greatness. All the great people in history. Did they achieve their greatness by running around saying, "Look how much of a better person I am than so-and-so". Of course not. Name one fondly remembered person in history with that attitude. Greatness is remembered when people do great things. Do great things and everything will take care of itself. Be petty and you'll get nowhere. The same can be said for a political party. And the same goes for the Democratic Party as well. They are just as guilty of this and I find it revolting.
Perfect example. November 2004. The first time I got to vote for president. I certainly didn't like George W Bush. But I really didn't care much for John Kerry either. What a horrible nominee we had in John Kerry. And so I had to base my vote on "the lesser of two evils". What a sad position for me. From what I've read, many of you feel the same way about John McCain. The only reason you're going to vote for him is because he's not Barack Obama. And that's a sad position for you guys as well. Why do we settle for mediocrity in this country? Its really tragic.
CB
July 13, 2008 - 10:10 ET by shawn228Did you see these disgusting statements about Ted Kennedy's brain cancer on NB? All I saw were people wishing him well.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Yes I did see some
July 13, 2008 - 11:14 ET by Cureboy675Yes I did see some disgusting comments about Ted Kennedy's brain cancer. Do you really want me to go back and list them? Like I said, I really have no interest in playing this game. But here is an example. June 2, 2008. 13:15 ET:
"Ted the swimmer is going under to have his liberalism... err... tumor removed. I for one hope it leaves him a vegetable"
And several members of this board pounced on him and pretty much told him to shut up. That showed me that most people are decent and respectful and yet there will always, always be the few that are completely vulgar. But I would never attempt to use those few examples to label all or even "an overwhelming majority" of conservatives as vile or vicious. Because it is simply inaccurate.
Next time a liberal dies, be
July 12, 2008 - 20:24 ET by general companyNext time a liberal dies, be sure to point out all of the fowl comments from conservatives. I am betting you wont find many, if any.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Above all, next time a
July 12, 2008 - 20:42 ET by BlazerAbove all, next time a liberal dies, keep in mind they were a fellow human being, with possibly parents, a spouse and children that deeply miss them and mourn their passing, that should trancend any idealogical differences.
We will all meet the same fate and having an (R) or a (D) before your name will not make a difference..
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Well said Blazer!!!
July 12, 2008 - 21:50 ET by BEGRUNT"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
And I do not disagree with
July 12, 2008 - 23:24 ET by Cureboy675And I do not disagree with you. Most everybody has loved ones they leave behind. They deserve some compassion and the opportunity to grieve with dignity. No matter who it is that passes on.
I read several comments on
July 12, 2008 - 19:17 ET by BigSky1970I read several comments on left-winged sites today and they were all over the ballpark, but the central theme was the number of soldiers killed in Iraq since 2003.
The soldiers in Iraq were
July 13, 2008 - 08:36 ET by BlazerThe soldiers in Iraq were volunteers who made the choice to serve in an all volunteer army to fight the war on terror. They are my heroes.
Now when's the last time you saw the left collectively grieve the 40 million plus children that have been arbitrarily exterminated via abortion, that didn't have a choice?
When I see the left make lousy attempts at valueing human life, the only thing I see is hypocrisy squared.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Highway deaths
July 13, 2008 - 09:30 ET by ThisnThatOr, how about the highway deaths. We've all heard, by now, about the so-called "benefit" from high gas prices -- fewer automobile deaths. One estimate is 1,000 fewer deaths per month. Let me repeat that: 1,000 fewer each month!
What does the left have to say about highway deaths? Ever hear a peep from them? No-- because there's no agenda there. But if a soldier dies during a war -- then they have an agenda, and they are very loud.
This just goes to show the Left doesn't care about life and death at all -- not one bit. They only care about their agendas. Liberals are pathetic, all of them.
___________________________________
If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber
Given that on average about
July 13, 2008 - 09:44 ET by dscottGiven that on average about 42,000 people die each year (3,500/ month) on US highways coming down from a high of 50,000 a year in the 1970s, they are claiming a 25% reduction with a 1,000 a month (12,000/ year)? On what study? Are they claiming the same happened during the 1970s oil embargos?
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
"How can the world see this
July 12, 2008 - 18:52 ET by ThisnThat"How can the world see this display and not have utter disgust and disdain for these sorry excuses for humans?"
Think Hitler. Musselini. Stalan. Mao. These people have their protectors and appologists. Many of their protectors reside within the MSM. The rest of them reside in Government. Do you think Murtha, Reid, or Pelosi will denounce these comments? Do you think the NYT will? Or USA Today. How about CBS?
Without denouncement, these people receive encouragement from people like Huffington, the MoveOn crowd, and George Soros. And Obama. They feed upon this encouragement. They see they aren't being punished, so they feel free to take it one step further, and when they get away with that, then one more step, and so on.
So, in truth, the world doesn't see this stuff. It's suppressed; and it's encouraged. And it gets worse.
___________________________________
If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber
Well
July 12, 2008 - 16:25 ET by bigtimerWell Noel,
...Unfortunately for me I read the HuffnPuff posts/comments...although there were some sane kind ones...the others....
'nuff said...as I am shaking my head.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I wonder how AP would react
July 12, 2008 - 18:03 ET by dscottI wonder how AP would react if they got lots of email shaming them for their disrespectful behavior of Tony Snow? info@ap.org
I think a shame on you campaign is in order...
cc the email to president@whitehouse.gov
Demand that the AP be banned from Whitehouse press briefings until they publicly apologize.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Posted under a copy of
July 12, 2008 - 18:40 ET by Chris NormanPosted under a copy of dscott's comment in another thread.
I personally believe
July 12, 2008 - 19:14 ET by BigSky1970I personally believe HuffPost and DU didn't want to again become the topic of discussion for Bill O'Reilly on his "Impact" segment on Monday night on the subject of the continued downward spiral of the left-winged blogosphere.
Even Bathtub Boy's statement issued earlier in the day rang hollow.
These are the usual suspects. You'd think the AP would have abstained and shed the liberalism label for at least one day, particularly on the day Tony Snow passed on. I don't care what the AP will say about Tony in the days to come, the AP is infested with godless liberals pushing a secular-humanism agenda.
BigSky......funny you mention that......
July 12, 2008 - 19:40 ET by BEGRUNTI noticed some posters trying to calm the lunatics down by telling them they will be fodder for O'Reilly and Hannity & dipsh*t next week, not that that stopped them obviously.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
I noticed some posters
July 12, 2008 - 20:40 ET by BigSky1970I noticed some posters playing both sides of the issue. First telling other posters to "calm down", "cease and desist" or "get a grip", then justify all that bad behavior by shamelessly accusing the right of similar behavior.
I just read the filthy,
July 12, 2008 - 19:26 ET by bigtimerI just read the filthy, childish, despicable blog post by JC Hallman on DK ...plus his comments to other posters as much as I could stomach that is....
The word despicable had to be invented for him.
So did slug.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Why are the left so
July 12, 2008 - 19:50 ET by BlazerWhy are the left so putrified and vile ? Thats actually an easy summarrization if you look at the fact that liberalism depends on de-humanizing an indidividual because of difference of opinion or ideaology to succeed.
We dont' agree ? O.K. I'll de-humanize you so I can abort you, take you off life support or put a bullet in your head. See how easy that is? It's O.K. your not even human your a piece of vile trash.
That's why the Bolsheviks and Fascists were so succesful last century for a time. The sad realization is a good majority of the folks over on the left are a bunch of brainwashed communist's and fascists and they dont' even realize it.
Stay classy, compassionate and tolerant left (-ists), stay classy.
But before you guys decide to recycle a bunch of old bad idea's like you do time and time again, remember we've already had Lenin, Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Castro, Pol-Pot and the two Kims, at least from here on out be original.
I'm sure your collective groupthink can muster up original ways to destroy societies and kill people over X-Box, Pabst Blue Ribbon and Cheeto's from the depths of moms basement than your mentors of last century did. I have faith in you.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Yep, Huffpo has opened
July 12, 2008 - 20:38 ET by kit9Yep, Huffpo has opened comments and they're as expected. Vile. Simply vile.
Not many.
July 12, 2008 - 21:53 ET by GregENot many.
They scrubbed them. When I
July 13, 2008 - 00:25 ET by kit9They scrubbed them. When I read the post, the comments were full of the foulest posts imaginable('Praise Jesus!! Tony Snow is dead!!') . I just went back and they are gone. Oh, and they shut down comments again.
What I find most interesting
July 12, 2008 - 21:30 ET by FastEdis that our beloved loser media DOESN'T report any of this disgust, which would let the rest of the "decent" lefties realize they aren't RIGHT.
It dosesn't surprise me that the media will ignor what these vulgar idiots have to say, in order to continue their own agenda. For the most part - the media that we see today is a product of liberal agenda and editorializing, no respect for "reporting" (if they know how) and they will NEVER try to explain what is going on with the lefty netrubes, simply because they are part of social engineering experiment know as liberalism. (psst - that way of thinking doesn't work, never has and never will - it is part of the definition of insanity)
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
You also have to take into
July 12, 2008 - 21:57 ET by BigSky1970You also have to take into consideration that perhaps a good number of posters at those left-winged cesspools are idiots working in the media.
Every comment is either
July 12, 2008 - 21:53 ET by GregEEvery comment is either neutrally civilized (just a few), or positive. I wonder if they're deleting others??? Surely you can't have EVERY post be like a normal human would post.
*Updating my post.........
That was only reading page 1. Just went back and looked at pages 2 and 3. There's a few vile ones, but there are many many respectable ones. Perhaps the way about Tony was noticed even by the Left even thought of course they disagreed with him on policy issues.
There will always be vile blog posts amongst even places where most are positive and respectful. When it became known Ted Kennedy had a brain tumor, most conservative blogging comments were positive, but of course there were also those who just couldn't contain themselves and had to spew.
Thank you. This is exactly
July 12, 2008 - 23:34 ET by Cureboy675Thank you. This is exactly my point. There will always be the vile people who can't control themselves. And even one vile comment will seem like too many.
And I suppose, if one wanted to put in the effort, they could reach a grand total of vile comments left in regards to somebody's death or illness. So what happens when one side has 11,000 vicious comments and the other side has 10,000?
Really what kind of victory is that? Do we really want to be a society where goodness is measured in the fact that one group is a little less inhuman than the other? Is that really what we want to strive for?
Exactly Cureboy
July 13, 2008 - 00:51 ET by shawn228Not all liberals are like some of the more colorful people on DU and Huffpro. I would say that there are as many conservative loonies as liberal loonies, Its just that the peole on Newsbusters seems to be exception, even though unfortunately many of us have our flaming matches and personal vendettas. Things are overall civil on this site and bad remarks are deleted even sometimes to conservatives. Sure this is a conservative site, but they still allow all different POV
That site that Matt is congratulating on their anniversery. Redstatecom. That site is a far right as Du is far left. You say anything bad about the Bush administration and you are gone. I got kicked off redstate.com for criticizing George Bush and abortion. and got kicked off DU for criticizing the fairness doctrine and abortion. Seems you can't ruffle peoples feathers on both sides when you are on the fence on abortion.
So again, yes there are many crazy lefties, but there are just as many crazy rightys.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Shawn
July 13, 2008 - 00:57 ET by Noel SheppardShawn,
You got booted from RedState? For saying what? Be as specific as you can. ns
Noel
July 13, 2008 - 01:11 ET by shawn228It was almost two years ago. The Democrats had taken back congress, and the San Francisco Bay Area just got Air America and i was listening a lot to Randi Rhodes. Now I knew she was a leftist lunatic, but I guess some of what she said rubbed off on me.
I was/am a huge Howard Stern fan. I might sound melodratic, but I was devastated because he was leaving terestrial radio. Yes I know i'm sounding melodramtic, but I know Rush Limbaugh fans would feel exactly the same.
Yes the war and economy are important to me, but personal freedoms are one of my biggest issues and that is why I am likin the libertarian party more and more. I blamed the GOP for this and I felt they were extremely arrogant when they controlled the house, senate and the Presidency.
Ok, yes I know that was long winded, I just need you to know what kind of frame of mind I was, before I posted.
My post went something like this.
Questions for Republicans
1. Would you let Donald Rumsfeld run you daughters wedding?
2 What good is a great economy with a 8 trillion dollar deficit.
3 Why do you love the fetus but hate the baby?
And a few more troll questions like that. Yes they were wrong, I admit it, but I was kicked off within 5 minutes of posting. No kidding / They not only blocked my alias they blocked my ip address.
Yes that was trollish of me, but NB would have at least givin me a warning.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Shawn
July 13, 2008 - 01:17 ET by Noel SheppardShawn,
Wow! You got bounced for that? Damn. We gotten tighten things up around here! :-)
Well, as you know, we really do try to welcome contrary opinions here. It's obviously hard, but we give a lot of rope. In fact, I don't remember the last member to get banned here. These days, I'm more inclined to just ignore folks than complain to Matt, unless it's really offensive.
Sorry about your experience there. I don't post at other sites, so I'm really pretty unaware of what happens elsewhere. ns
You sure do give alot of rope Noel
July 13, 2008 - 01:50 ET by shawn228Sure sometimes I might get a little frustrating on some of the hypocricy that I see that is ignored, but I have to remember that this is a conservative site and have to respect that fact.
I have had a few non fans here. You give good advice about ignoring people. Unfortunatley even thought I try to ignore. Some decide to chase me around and try to get at me by posting directly at me or try to be sneaky and try to get a jab in at me indirectly via another poster, but I try to let to not let that bother me because those posters are defintely the minorty now. I met some great friends on this this site and find many of the clean debates I have with them very stimulating..
Once again Noel, Matt, and all the contributing writers and even Warner Todd Houston :-) make this a great site.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
*Huston. Warner Todd
July 13, 2008 - 06:18 ET by WhichWing*Huston. Warner Todd Huston. I made the same mistake once upon a time myself.
Clear case of Pot calling the Kettle Black as usual
July 13, 2008 - 08:27 ET by Dee BunkMore snide passive aggressive comments that inaccurately describe the situation as many people know.
This is an immature vendetta from a very immature gossipy person. You will never see me bringing up the snide comments first to the trouble maker
edit (or to another person like he's doing now). I've complained one time to the Mastheads and never about this trouble maker but I'm sure he has complained about me and others. He's also admitted to gossiping by PM with people about it. I know that it's just extreme insecurity, but still, it's very sleazy.
As I said, I don't really mind his vendetta against me because he hasn't attacked anyone else in a long time with his long drawn out battles that last for days and weeks and even months. I love that he kisses up extra hard now to everyone (even WTH who he used to attack). It's great.
"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB
Seriously
July 13, 2008 - 09:47 ET by shawn228I have tried ignoring you a for while now, but this does not seem to be working. You are obsessed with me and it needs to stop. You have been doing a great impression of Glenn Close for a long time.I'm glad I don't have any rabbits.
You chase down my comments to other posters, If I post a comment and another poster disagrees, you will agree with that poster right away to just get a dig at me.
You are letting your hatred toward me cloud your judgement, What will it take for you to just move on? You want an apology?. Ok I'm sorry. You want to say your smarter than me? Okay your smarter.
This is borderline harassment, so all I ask is you go your way, I go mine. I'm sure other posters are sick and tired of watching your vendetta. You keep exaggerating about my gossiping and sleaziness, but I'm sure it is clear, i'm not wasting my time chasing you around, can you say the same? I really don't like the accusation, I am sucking up, I treat posters and mods with the same respect i treat anybody. If I am disrespected, I respond in kind.
I won't make any references to you and will try my hardest to make sure you don't even exist, if you stop responding to my post. Is that fair? Or is your sick need to get in the last word that important to you?
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Look Shawn - I don't think many people buy this bull
July 13, 2008 - 10:13 ET by Dee BunkEach and everytime I see you make snide remarks like the one above I have every right to respond.
You are the one with the vendetta. I don't make the digs about you until you do and you should notice that when you were quite for the most part I even let a few couple of them go. The way you brought up this vendetta during the religious despuste and tried to make it about you was disgusting and I chose not to ignore it that time.
I would never chase you around. Don't flatter yourself. When I do see a snide comment referring to me, I'm not letting you get away with it when I don't feel like it. If you don't want me to comment than don't make snide comments referring to me, it's that simple
Prior to the other day when you tried to turn the religious thing into something about you, I left you alone. I responded a few times to your silly political points. I'll always do that. There was nothing personal in my comments. Grow up.
We will never be friends - so what. That doesn't mean you have to continually throw around snide digs and be contentious. When you are not throwing around the digs, I treat you as any other liberal poster who makes statements I disagree with. I will respond to any liberal here who's statements I disagree with. Grow up.
"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB
fine then
July 13, 2008 - 10:18 ET by shawn228No more snide remarks from me involving you at all, if you stop posting to me, it is pretty straight forward. If you disagree with me, it can't be that important to you, that I know that right? :-)
This is Noels thread and you are hijacking it and making me look like a culprit in the process. We just ignore each other yes?
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
wrong Shawn - you hijaked it with your gossipy tattling
July 13, 2008 - 10:32 ET by Dee Bunkwrong Shawn - you hijacked it with your gossipy tattling and trying to get Noel to publicly condemn me just because you are buddy buddy with him. I'm letting you know that I'm not afraid of you know matter how much you suck up to who ever you suck up to. If he does want to publicly take your side like you are trying to make happen, I wouldn't even blame him because I know how manipulative you are. I've never once asked or tried to make anyone take my side. I don't go around PMing people about you all the time and I don't go to the mastheads like you do. I've had plenty of reasons to especially because I know they have been getting a very one sided view.
As I said, when you don't refer to me (and your excuse of not using names doesn't fly) then I won't respond with personal stuff.
As to your political statements, I respond with my political beliefs and it won't be personal. If you are too immature to handle that, it's not my problem.
"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB
Sigh
July 13, 2008 - 11:04 ET by shawn228You seem fixated on the pms, i send to people. Has it occurred to you that maybe someone brought you up i pm to me? They really are none of your business are they?
"As I said, when you don't refer to me (and your excuse of not using names doesn't fly) then I won't respond with personal stuff"
Do you really think I would have made any snide comments to you, if you practiced what you preached and did not bring up the past? Did I make any snide comments before your unprovoked calling out?
Whats more you decided to gossip and talk bad about me in front of some i like and have a lot of respect for. Your the manipulative one and yes, many people realize that and you might be surprised who thinks that, but you will never know :-) You did call me out right? Something Matt says we should not do?
Again. I really don't want anything to do with you, So just try to practice what you preach.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Dee ~ Shawn
July 13, 2008 - 11:21 ET by Free StinkerHow about this?
Shawn doesn't reply to Dee anymore, or use her name ever again.
and
Dee doesn't reply to Shawn anymore, or use his name ever again.
Just sayin' . . .
free
July 13, 2008 - 11:24 ET by shawn228I am game, I tried apologizing, being nice, being mean. It does not work. I just want her out of my hair. I will go along with it if she does. I have brought up the same idea many times, maybe it will sound better from you than from me :-)
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
shhhh
July 13, 2008 - 11:26 ET by candanceRegardless of your intentions here this comes off like finger pointing. Best to just drop it and walk away.
candance and free :-)
July 13, 2008 - 11:33 ET by shawn228Candance your right but judging from Dee's post below she is going to insist on being a thorn in my side. I would love to walk away, but I always seem to get hit by a shoe in the back of the head.
FS, I realize how good friends you are with Dee and I appreciate you trying to make peace instead of giving me your scorecard today.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
So immature
July 13, 2008 - 11:38 ET by Dee BunkYou don't get it Shawn - YOU will not keep me silent. YOU are the first to get personal. I won't. I'll respond to your political points that I disagree with like I do with any other poster. I am able to see past my dislike for you and stick with the topic. You are not.
I will leave here all together before anyone tries to tell me who I can and can not post to.
"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB
No one is telling you to do
July 13, 2008 - 11:47 ET by shawn228No one is telling you to do anything. fs says we don't mention each other ever again, but your too obsessed with me to even discuss it.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
PLEASE! THIS THREAD IS ABOUT TONY SNOW, NOT YOUR FEUD!
July 13, 2008 - 11:49 ET by Free StinkerPLEASE! THIS THREAD IS ABOUT TONY SNOW, NOT YOUR FEUD!
Your right free, i'm
July 13, 2008 - 11:52 ET by shawn228Your right free, i'm sorry
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
You are the obsessed one - I don't mention you first - YOU do
July 13, 2008 - 11:51 ET by Dee BunkAll the snide comments first. Grow up. You will never intimidate me with your immature behavior.
"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB
thanks Free
July 13, 2008 - 11:24 ET by candanceI have respect for both posters and it pains me to be in a position where I feel like I'm forced to pick a side. I just want to be friends and get along with everyone.
I guess this is where I'm supposed to say Thanks Candance
July 13, 2008 - 12:02 ET by Dee Bunkfor trying to make peace despite your friendship with Shawn, and commend you on being impartial in a way that makes it seem as if you side with me.
I don't play his immature games. I have no problems with anyone who wants to like Shawn. It's not my business.
I won't put up with his snide references to me and I will respond to his political statements without personal attacks and innuendo about past events. It's not my fault that he can't do that.
I'll also call him out when he calls out other posters for things that he condones and engages in himself.
"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB
just stop it Dee
July 13, 2008 - 14:31 ET by candanceI never wanted you to say thanks. I just wanted to voice my feelings with Free that I hate to see arguing on here.
you missed my point Candance
July 13, 2008 - 15:32 ET by Dee BunkI didn't think you wanted me to say thanks at all. I'm saying that. If I did say it like Shawn did to Free, it would be a manipulative move to try and make it look like you were on my side. I have no problems with what you said and I wasn't going to capitalize on it and be like - ha ha Shawn - looky here, even your buddy Candace thinks you should cool it, like he did with Free.
He completely misunderstands Free and tries to make it seem like he said more than he did. That's it. I know that you didn't want thanks. Free didn't want it either.
"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB
okay Dee
July 13, 2008 - 15:37 ET by candanceI misunderstood the tone of your post. Carry on. :)
Dee... Yep it's the
July 13, 2008 - 17:45 ET by bigtimerDee...
Yep it's the innuendo and butt-kissing he's been doing...he just counts on most posters not knowing what is going on so he can feign the act of who me? I'm just so innocent here...
I know exactly what you are talking about...I just read the whole thread.
Shawn, if you don't want others to say anything to defend themselves don't use your oh so clever implications of what you are using in your post to not name them by user name, but knowing full well they and a few others will know exactly what and who you are referring to.
Leave it be.
Would you please.
You get off on derailing threads and acting innocent afterwards...and yeah I am sticking up for Dee, as it should be in this situation.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bigtimer
July 13, 2008 - 19:13 ET by shawn228freestinker says this thread is about Tony Snow and not my private feud and I agree with that. This will be my only response to you in this thread.
I simply do not understand why you need to get involved everytime, I have a disagreement with Dee. I would love take your advice and leave it be.
Have a good night bigtimer.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Your reply was nearly 90
July 13, 2008 - 19:17 ET by Free StinkerYour reply was nearly 90 minutes after BT's comment.
(edit)
I just noticed it,
July 13, 2008 - 19:30 ET by shawn228I just noticed it, attention to detail is not this liberals strongest point :-)
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
I stand up for
July 13, 2008 - 19:19 ET by bigtimerI stand up for real friends when I see them attempting to be manipulated shawn...simple as that...nothing more, nothing less.
You have a nice night also.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Free - I'll always respond to his nonsensical political points
July 13, 2008 - 11:34 ET by Dee Bunkor calling out of others for things that he engages in. It's not my problem that he's too immature to deal with that. If he can't handle sticking to politics then he shouldn't respond. My comments to him will be the same as to any other liberal with a position I find to be nonsensical.
If he doesn't call out other posters or me then nothing personal will ever be said about him by me. It has not for a long time. He always brings it up first.
Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB
There's your selective memory again Shawn it wasn't that long
July 13, 2008 - 11:29 ET by Dee Bunkago so I know you know. That first place you link to was after you brought up stuff on the forumn post and tried to make it about you and many people know that.
I brought up the past because you did and you won't see me do it first. Just like on this thread.
Second, I will always call liberals on their hypocracy when they say this site is like the hateful dem sites. You know that you had no right to talk about people bringing up any sexual inuendo. Everyone who spends any time here knows that. From your references to Starfish action to Pom Poms, to liking real ones vs fake ones to talk of love for watching lezbian sex and calling others out to agree so you could be proud of them.
Sorry - It's not personal - Any other liberal who does those things and then condemns someone for a quick one time remark, I'll point it out. It doesn't mean I condone the other person, it means YOU have no right to call people out about it. People who don't engage in that kind of behavior or condoning of it have every right.
Also, I know about your PM's because I used to get the suck up ones especially when you were in your long drawn out fight with Free. I know first hand how manipulative you are.
Grow up.
"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB
your forgetting.....
July 13, 2008 - 11:37 ET by shawn228that I apologized to you for the lesbian sex references even though was not the only one talking about it, I have also REPEATEDLY apologized to fs and admitted that I was wrong and overreacted to fs scorecard.
Come on Dee, why can't you just let it go?
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
You are the one not letting go. Yyou Always bring it up first
July 13, 2008 - 11:40 ET by Dee Bunkend of story. I don't think you are fooling anyone.
"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB
lmao Dee
July 13, 2008 - 11:44 ET by shawn228And who refuses to just ignore me and move on? Look at your hypocrisy Dee. Sheesh :-)
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
You just missed a perfect
July 13, 2008 - 11:48 ET by Free StinkerYou just missed a perfect opportunity to let it go by not responding.
okay free
July 13, 2008 - 11:50 ET by shawn228I just don't like being pushed around, but since you think it should the one that should back down, you got it.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
It's your hypocrisy that stands out - Sheesh : )
July 13, 2008 - 11:48 ET by Dee BunkYou won't scare me away Shawn. It's sad that you can't seperate political debate from you personal hatred but as I said, it's not my problem.
"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB
I will agree with you that
July 13, 2008 - 09:31 ET by Cureboy675I will agree with you that the people on Newsbusters do, for the most part, tend to be much more civil. And the moderators of this site are much more willing to allow differing points of view. I have never once been chastised or "given a warning" or had any of my thoughts censored by the folks who run this site. And I do sincerely appreciate them for that.
Looks like they had to
July 13, 2008 - 09:09 ET by BlazerLooks like they had to throw the baby out with the bongwater........I mean bathwater, over at PU........errr I mean DU.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3604935
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Didn't NewsBusters do the
July 13, 2008 - 05:56 ET by WhichWingDidn't NewsBusters do the exact same thing when Tim Russert died??
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb-staff/2008/06/13/mrcs-bozell-passing-meet-press-host-tim-russert
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw
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July 13, 2008 - 08:25 ET by dahliatraversNo, WhichWing, they did exactly the opposite. Kindly read all comments before posting yours. In this case, you would have seen the following comment by Noel Sheppard at 14:19 yesterday and had your answer:
"I was expecting someone was going to bring this up, but I imagined it would be a troll or a hater. I must admit I'm disappointed it's you.
On the day Tim Russert died, we had a large number of articles concerning his life and his death. We didn't close comments on any of them.
However, Brent wanted to offer his opinions about Tim, and wanted them to stand on their own without comment. For this situation to be at all analogous, the article at HP should have been written by Arianna. It wasn't. It was an AP story about Tony's death. Furthermore, from what I can tell, there are no other articles or posts currently at HP concerning Tony. As such, HPers have NO outlet to comment.
This is NOT what occurred here the day Tim died, and any suggestion of similarity is errant and disingenuous."
If you can dig up a post
July 13, 2008 - 08:44 ET by Jack BauerIf you can dig up a post here, by a regular poster, gloating and revelling over the death of Russert, please let us all know so we can condemn him.
In fact, will predemn him or her right now.
Jack plus that silly point was already brought up by Shawn above
July 13, 2008 - 08:46 ET by Dee Bunkand it was easily knocked down.
"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB
Jack, one would only have
July 13, 2008 - 08:48 ET by BlazerJack, one would only have to go over to DKOS, DU(mmy) or Huffblow to dig up many posts relishing Russerts demise.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Huff Po like Saudi Arabia
July 13, 2008 - 17:52 ET by BarrackHuff Po, Daily Kos, et. al are experiencing the Saudi Arabian effect..
Embolden, empower, and enable the hateful groups and then find yourselves having to confront the hate you so willingly fed.
www.benbarrack.com