White House Press Secretary Dana Perino has refuted assertions by CNN that President Bush, in a speech to the Israeli Knesset on Thursday, "[suggested] that Senator Barack Obama and other Democrats are in favor of appeasing terrorists in the same way that U.S. leaders appeased the Nazis in the run-up to World War II."
As my colleague Matthew Balan reported less than two hours ago, CNN's "American Morning" was quick to view statements made by the President as hostile to the junior senator from Illinois and other Democrats.
Yet, in a press gaggle following the President's speech, Perino flatly denied such assertions (file photo above right):
UNKNOWN QUESTIONER: There's some question about his comment here about "some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong" -- you know the passage. And he talks about the "false comfort of appeasement." This is being seen in some quarters as a slam on Senator Obama. Is this in any way directed at Senator Obama?
DANA PERINO, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: It is not. And I would think that all of you who cover these issues and have for a long time have known that there are many who have suggested these types of negotiations with people that President Bush thinks we should not talk to. I understand when you're running for office you sometimes think the world revolves around you -- that is not always true and it is not true in this case.
Q: But, so, not aimed at him -- do they include him?
PERINO: He'll have to speak for himself as to what his policy is and you guys can know it well. This was a speech that the President gave to the Knesset. And this is not a new statement by President Bush. This is long-established United States policy, so it should come as no surprise that President Bush suggests that we should not be talking with these people.
Q: This is part of the election cycle, though -- was he stepping into the political cycle?
PERINO: Of course he's not -- the President is President, regardless of an election cycle. And he's going to be the President of the United States until January 20, 2009. And we are not going to change policy based on the '08 election. We're not going to stop talking about the ideals and the values of the United States because there's an '08 election. They can fight it out for themselves over there, but this is not new policy that the President announced and it should come as no surprise to anybody that the President would talk about this. He talks about it in almost every interview, and in particular when he's talking about the issues of Hamas and Hezbollah, al Qaeda, the Taliban, Iran, other state sponsors of terror. It's long-established United States policy.
Q: But you did say there are others who have enunciated a policy --
PERINO: Sure.
Q: -- of talk -- and he has talked about this. So why shouldn't it be seen as anything?
PERINO: I'm not going to get into '08 politics. The speech was not about '08 politics. If they want to try to make it about '08 politics -- and obviously be helped by the media -- so be it. But the President is President of the United States. This is a long-established policy that he has held and that he has talked about all over the world. And you guys have seen it for seven-and-a-half years. It's not going to change now.
As CNN correspondent Ed Henry's sources were unnamed "White House aides," it will be very interesting to see how this story plays out in the next 24 hours.
Stay tuned.
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When I read the headline, I
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 14:36 ET by Chris NormanWhen I read the headline, I was afraid that the White House was backing down, but I think Ms. Perino worded this just right. Let the President's statement stand and let those people with guilty consciences figure out if he was referring to them.
I thought the same thing Chris
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 14:39 ET by Dee BunkI'm so glad they didn't.
Let the comment stand
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 14:57 ET by NorthCoasterThe comments of President Bush to the Knesset were based on long standing U. S. policy. How hard is that to figure out? There are more than enough politicians in the U. S. and the rest of the world who have promoted appeasement. If current candidates feel included, so what? It's still a valid concern.
Sudatenland
President's speech in Israel
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 16:24 ET by merlin61Hey Dems!!! If the shoe fits, wear it. Guilty
conscience? Guess so. If you said things like
Obama has said and Carter has said, the shoe
fits!!!!!
Just like any other Dem - Obama changes the subject
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 14:38 ET by Dee Bunkand makes criticism of a policy a personal attack. He can't stand up and say - that he disagrees with Bush's policy - he has to make it personal.
Obama is for appeasement and no one is even allowed to talk about appeasement in any negative way just because he is for it. It's crazy.
'Cuz the rules are
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 17:14 ET by Cape ConservativeNO ONE can pick on Obama!! And anything that is said that even hints of a connection to any of his stated policies is fair game! Can't pick on BHO!!! The Teflon man is a good name for him! And this will go on until November!
And you're right, it's never a response but rather an attack that has nothing to do with the original statement!
Dana Perino for President.
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 14:38 ET by mattmDana Perino for President.
I agree, mattm
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 17:16 ET by Cape ConservativeThat lady had some large shoes to fill when Tony left, but she more than holds her own! I admire her greatly! She has a great way with words, does NOT back down, and knows how to keep the press in line!!
»→ Careful there Bush!
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 14:42 ET by Cool ArrowJust because Obama has looked upon Ahmadinajad with lust in his heart, don't mean he's done anything yet.
But when reached for comment, Ahmadinajad said "B Hussein, you got some splayin' to do".
♣ a seal
So, when is McCain going to apologize to the Obama crowd?
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 14:57 ET by R D HelmAnd don't tell me he won't do it, either.
As for Mr. Bush, it is just sad that he hasn't told the truth about many of our leftists friends far more often than he has.
Had he done so, I think his party would most likely be in far better shape than it currently is.
OMG, RD.....I was just
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:01 ET by motherbeltOMG, RD.....I was just thinking that!! LOL
My first thought was...Has McCain been asked to "distance himself from" and denounce those remarks?
but you're probably right...they won't have to ask....
motherbelt,
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:15 ET by R D HelmI swear, this McCain campaign (if you can call it that) is going to send me in search of a six month supply of Prozac pretty soon. I am probably going to have a stroke sometime between now and November. Seriously.
If the MSM is going to come to Obama's defense every time the republicans go after him, as they have here, then the timid McCain camp has absolutely no chance of beating this guy.
BTW-I hope you heard Rush's show today. He pretty much savaged McCain. It was utterly merciless.
I think it was one of the best shows I have ever heard him do.
I did hear some of
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:20 ET by motherbeltI did hear some of Rush...when he was talking about McCain running against Bush and against the Republican Party. Great stuff!
No Prozac, but I'm laying in a good supply of duct tape!
I wish...
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:02 ET by motherbeltI wish Ms. Perino had just said, "If the shoe fits......"
IF you believe that "wander
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:16 ET by balboaIF you believe that "wander around" was a shot at McCain, then this was a shot at Obama.
One BIG difference
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:22 ET by motherbeltOne BIG difference Bal....Obama specifically said I'm not going to let Sen. McCain wander around....
I think balboa feels pretty stupid right now
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:24 ET by Dee BunkI think balboa feels pretty stupid right now
Nope. There's still a leap
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:26 ET by balboaNope. There's still a leap of paranoid faith you have to make in each instance to decide that the individual statements were "shots" or "swipes" at the person in question.
If the shoe
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:29 ET by USA4freedomIf the shoe fits...
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
There again, Balboa, the
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:35 ET by Chris NormanThere again, Balboa, the point was, that if Republicans were as quick to pretend to be offended as Democrats, they could've acted like they were offended by Obama's choice of words. The Democrats proved here, once again, that they can be "offended" by "Good morning". Bush didn't say who were the appeasers - but the Democrats knew, as stated above, that "the shoe fit".
You weren't offended at
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:39 ET by balboaYou weren't offended at Obama's "shot"?
No. I am offended that the
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:47 ET by Chris NormanNo. I am offended that the Democrats have created a polticized language where certain "code words" are pretended to be offensive - and at the drop of a hat. Our point was, by the same token, McCain could find offense in Obama's choice of verbs. Rememer Biden getting in trouble for using the adjectives "clean" and "articulate" in describing Obama. Do you regard Obama's supporters as "paranoid" for finding offense in that? Because, I find them phony in their "outrage".
Plenty others on that
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:54 ET by balboaPlenty others on that thread were offended.
And yes, Obama's supporters are paranoid for finding offense in clean and articulate. I know what Biden meant.
Balboa, the vast majority on
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 17:24 ET by Chris NormanBalboa, the vast majority on NB are concerned with Obama, the Democrats, and their little elves in the media, while you are obsessed with the comments of some of the posters here - get over it.
Balboa - it's still completely different
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:50 ET by Dee Bunkthe two situations are not at all comparable.
As far as Obama's comments I wouldn't classify them as "shots" at McCain they are just part of his ingrained elitism. His "wandering" comment to McCain is similar to his "Sweetie" comment to the reporter. He sees himself as better than both people in one case because his young and in the other because he's a male. He doesn't set out to offend the people, he just thinks he's better and it shows.
I don't get this elitism
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 16:08 ET by balboaI don't get this elitism charge.
Why balboa? Because he's Black?
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 16:42 ET by Dee BunkTo be far left like him you pretty much have to be an elitist who thinks that they are better than everyone and can tell them how to live their lives. That combined with the fact that he and his wife both went to Harvard and the "cling to guns and religion" type comments make it plain to see. If he isn't elitist then no one is.
But that's YOUR
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 18:39 ET by balboaBut that's YOUR interpretation of him, that he thinks he's better than everyone and wants to tell you how to live your life. And going to Harvard makes you academically elite, not necessarily elitist.
I'm already on record as saying that the interpretation of his "cling" comments has been wildly blown out of proportion.
Bal, all you have to do is
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 19:14 ET by motherbeltBal, all you have to do is watch him speak. He talks with his nose in the air. Check this out (scroll down past F&F to Obama video) and you can see his imperious attitude (and yes, that's my assessment) and also hear him say himself that he thinks "talking" is a good idea.
Democrats continue to get enraged when they have their own views tossed back at them, or their own words quoted to them.
As for his "cling" comments, it would have blown over if he hadn't tried to cover it up by saying he meant they look there for support, and then that he meant they vote on issues like guns and religion. If there was nothing wrong with what he said, why try one excuse then another?
If the shoe fits...
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 18:22 ET by PeskyDaneIf the shoe fits...
I think we're over our limit
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 18:36 ET by balboaI think we're over our limit for "shoe fits" references.
boa...I don't...in fact I
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 18:39 ET by bigtimerboa...I don't...in fact I just used it on Noel's new thread...too bad if you don't like it...granted I haven't read many threads today..but if the shoe fits....well, it's certainly appropriate.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Mrrrowwrr!
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 18:49 ET by balboaMrrrowwrr!
I hereby demand you stop
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 18:50 ET by CortillaenI hereby demand you stop insulting felines everywhere. Any cat could come up with a better retort than that.
www.rhjunior.com Great comics with a hefty dose of Christian and anti-nutjob goodness.
"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." -Miyamoto Musashi
That's intelligent balboa
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 18:51 ET by Dee Bunkgrow up
Today Balboa is an A-hole
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 18:55 ET by Dee BunkIt's nice how the liberals get away with this crap but when a conservative does anything like this 10 people would pounce on them
Wow, Dee.
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 18:59 ET by R D Helm:-)
I'm serious RD - that was totally uncalled for
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 19:01 ET by Dee Bunkbalboa owes her an apology. That is what weak effeminate men do when they don't know how to argue with a woman. What a jerk.
Dee, oh, I agree.
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 19:06 ET by R D HelmLOL-I just have never seen you get so animated that the a**h*** word got tossed into the mix.
With a capital A, too. :-)
Sheesh! What's with you? I
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 19:02 ET by balboaSheesh! What's with you? I made a silly comment about the number of times people have used "shoe fits," BT gets snippy, so I poke some fun.
That is not appropriate and you know it.
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 19:06 ET by Dee Bunkso don't play stupid. How and when have you said that to one of the guys here?
I think I said it to Chris
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 19:19 ET by balboaI think I said it to Chris Norman just the other day.
Hey, bigtimer, I apologize if you took offense to that. None intended.
Hey! How should I take that?
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 20:17 ET by Chris NormanHey! How should I take that? :)
Chris
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 20:26 ET by Jerfurplay?
Yikes! No saucer of cream!
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 21:05 ET by Chris NormanYikes! No saucer of cream! No table for two!
But, Chris...
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 21:17 ET by Jeryou and bal make such a purrfect couple. Remember this exchange? [paraphrasing]
Chris: bal, is there any comic or genre of comedy you won't defend?
Bal: Gallagher
Classic.
Jer
It's funny cuz it's true.
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 21:33 ET by balboaIt's funny cuz it's true. :-)
Okay, but if we're like an
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 22:03 ET by Chris NormanOkay, but if we're like an old bickering couple, I get to be Fred. Bal has to be Ethel.
Balboa - Bringing Chris Norman into this was good and
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 18:22 ET by Dee Bunkyou were both funny. I even laughed when I was angry but I wasn't going to admit it.
Sorry that I flew off the handle with the A-hole thing. It all seems a little extreme right now, but I felt completely justified at the time. I still think your comment was inappropriate and I'm glad you apologized to BT.
Dee... Wow...I guessed I
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 18:31 ET by bigtimerDee...
Wow...I guessed I missed all the fun...and looks like I'm glad of it...thanks for standing up for me...and boa...thanks too for whatever you did and apologizing.
Sorry, I am in and out of here...just saw this.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I was a little over reactive BT
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 18:37 ET by Dee Bunkso never mind
Dee.. Gotcha'...Worry
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 18:43 ET by bigtimerDee..
Gotcha'...Worry not.
I have already laughed with the responses...
I think a lot of the whole last week has got a lot of us hot and bothered at times.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Not a problem. :-) I'll be
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 18:45 ET by balboaNot a problem. :-)
I'll be more aware of demeaning comments.
About being
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 19:19 ET by Clear thinkerAbout being snippy...
It's because you are NOT very funny.
"Abstain from McCain"
Give me a break, Dee...
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 19:31 ET by JerGive me a break, Dee...Bal is consistently one of the most cordial posters at NB.
And what 10 people are you talking about? Liberals? I'm not sure there are even ten of "us" who post regularly. If you mean ten people generally, I have seen far worse insults gratuitously delivered without drawing a peep of protest.
Jer
True. Balboa is polite, if
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 20:23 ET by Chris NormanTrue. Balboa is polite and civilized. However, there's a liberal (not you) on here who is overly polite, exhibiting an unctuousness reminiscent of Eddie Haskell.
Chris...
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 20:37 ET by JerOne of my alltime favorite TV characters. Just mention his name and I would have thought "unctuousness"...maybe even "obsequious unctuousness".
Jer
Although this is not who
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 20:40 ET by balboaAlthough this is not who you're referring to, I think a very underrated character from that show was Larry Mondello, who kept sandwiches in his pockets.
Lumpy?
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 21:01 ET by JerLumpy?
No, Jer. I think Larry
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 02:12 ET by fitzfongNo, Jer. I think Larry Mondelo was that heavy-set blonde kid that used to hang out with Theodore and Whitey in the early episodes. Lumpy Rutherford was friends with Wally and that fink Eddie. I never liked Gilbert, Beaver's friend in the later episodes. I don't even know what this thread is about...I guess it has something to do with cats...but when an old TV reference comes up, I'll be there.
fitz...I bow to your
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 04:37 ET by Jerfitz...I bow to your obviously superior knowledge and expertise concerning television minutiae. I never quite recovered from the shock of learning Eddie became an LA cop. Saw him on O'Reilly several months ago, BTW....He's aged pretty well.
As far as this thread....Warning! CSI team is still conducting forensics, and I'm licking my wounds.
Jer
If I'm not mistaken, he had
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 04:51 ET by fitzfongIf I'm not mistaken, he had to retire because of a disability. I think he may have been shot. I'll have to look into that one. Ken Osmond is supposed to be a really nice guy. My cousin went to high school with Jerry Mathers' nephew (I know that sounds a little like connecting someone's hairdresser in a 6 Degrees of Separation...but we cling to what we can).
Gosh fitz...living where
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 05:01 ET by JerGosh fitz...living where you do [Huntington Beach?], I would have hoped for a celebrity connection slightly more impressive than a cousin/Jerry Mathers' nephew link. :>)
Jer
Well, I did go to college
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 05:49 ET by fitzfongWell, I did go to college with Mindy Cohn of Facts of Life fame. I met her a few times and went to a party at her house. But that's not any better, is it?
Would you believe that Cuba Gooding, Jr. pushed me in the back at a hockey game a few years ago? I saw Donal Logue, Matt Lauer and Loni Anderson at LAX two days before I got married. How about the time I worked out at the gym only to see Ricki Rachtman of MTV Headbanger's Ball (I know, who?) at the next bench? Having worked in Santa Monica and Brentwood for most of my 20s, I tended to see a lot of the OJ protagonists out on the street. Now I'm getting desperate. Wow. I've really got nothing.
fitz...Mindy Cohn? That's
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 06:11 ET by Jerfitz...Mindy Cohn? That's even worse than the cousin/Mathers thing. Your 'brush with celebrity' resume` really needs some padding. Do they still have those "see the stars" --or whatever they're called--bus tours?
Jer
A capital idea! At least
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 14:13 ET by fitzfongA capital idea! At least then I might meet Tootie!
Speaking of which, I shot pool in a Culver City bar one time and Gary Coleman was at the next table. I'm really scraping the bottom of the barrel now.
Do you think Tatum O'Neal still sells those star maps? I might have to get on it.
Jer
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 21:17 ET by shawn228He probably means me. If I am mean, I'm a troll, If I am polite, im unctuousness. God, I can't even pronounce that. :-)
Shawn
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 21:33 ET by JerWhether he is referring to you or not, I wouldn't worry about it. I can think of much worse accusations than one claiming a person is "too polite".
Jer
Not in my world.
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 22:06 ET by Chris NormanNot in Chrisnormanland, there isn't.
Chris
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 22:13 ET by shawn228I guess I am too polite for you kind sir. I want you to know, I find you of the utmost integrity and you sir are an outstanding poster, please keep posting your upmost quality literature.
I do regret, that I have made you a little peeved, perhaps I can try my very best to live up to your standards.
edit,
my apologies Chris :-( See post below
Aye, ditto on that. I
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 22:13 ET by CortillaenAye, ditto on that. I actually wrote a paper on how being unnecessarily overly polite (eg. false, pointless compliments) is a degredation of honesty in the nation. I still think that's absolutely true.
www.rhjunior.com Great comics with a hefty dose of Christian and anti-nutjob goodness.
"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." -Miyamoto Musashi
Shawn,
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 22:11 ET by Chris NormanNo, not you. At least, I never really noticed.
Sorry Chris
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 22:12 ET by shawn228I just used the process of eliminination, and my paranoia got the best of me. I can't figure it out, can I have a hint?
Why the paranoia? No, I
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 22:18 ET by Chris NormanWhy the paranoia? No, I think I'll let you ruminate. I'll tell you in due time - but only if you're good.
Ok Chris
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 22:26 ET by shawn228"but only if you're good"
I am cutting up my ACLU card as we speak
Good - and clean your room.
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 22:31 ET by Chris NormanGood - and clean your room.
All Done
Sat, 05/17/2008 - 12:30 ET by shawn228Now I am removing all Tofu and Soymilk from the fridge.
double post
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 19:32 ET by Jerdouble post
BT - next thing you know - balboa will be calling you sweetie
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 18:52 ET by Dee Bunkthat's why he doesn't get it about O'bama - he's a sexist pig just like him
Dee, I've said all along
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 19:18 ET by motherbeltDee, I've said all along that that's liberal humor. They get nasty, and then say Hey, I was kidding! Can;'t you take a joke?
I was in no way trying to
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 19:20 ET by balboaI was in no way trying to "get nasty."
There is no way a woman
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 20:06 ET by motherbeltThere is no way a woman would take a snarling cat comment as any way but nasty. That one is best reserved only for women who know you very well. And even then I'd be very cautious if I were you!
mb
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 20:13 ET by JerHe's apologized. Let's move on.
Jer
Jer - we will move on when we feel like it not when you
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 22:11 ET by Dee Bunktell us to. You liberals don't own this place and I'm tired of the way you all jump on people, especially when they are new. In addition to new people, you try and cause divisions and taking sides with people who have been here. If you are going to jump on people then don't be surprised when people jump back.
You guys can jump on me all you want because I don't scare easy and I'm not putting up with it. I'm not going to walk on egg shells here. The whole reason I come here is so that I can say what ever I want where I can't always around my "sensitive" liberal friends. I'm sure that is why a lot of people came and will come here. I like to argue and I don't take it personally when people disagree with me. If others are going to take it personal when I disagree with them then too bad. You will have to wait until they kick me off because I'm not keeping my mouth shut while I'm here.
Dee
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 22:22 ET by shawn228I am not jumping you at all but I really don't understand the double standard
I want you to know that my hostility toward fs has run its course and all is well, but what I don't understand is. I get on freestinkers case about his scoreboard, and you tell me to lighten up and it is all in good fun.
Balboa makes a funny comment about someone being catty and you go totallay bezerk and call him a ahole. Early today you also made one of my favorite posters Candance feel bad about asking another poster for civility, that she might even leave.
Don't you find it even a little ironic and double standard? Also can you name even close to the ten liberals that jump on people?
Dee...With respect to the
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 22:23 ET by JerDee...With respect to the entirety of your first paragraph, I don't know whom or what you are talking about. However, I challenge you to point out a single instance where I have "jumped on new people", or jumped on anyone for that matter.
But, by all means, carry on. Say whatever you wish to whomever you wish.
Jer
Jer where's jase tonight?
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 22:48 ET byShawn, you know that answer! It's you, me, Jer, JasonC! We're craaaaaaazy! Balboa
only three on Dee?
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
botg.... jase is at a
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 22:52 ET by Jerbotg....
jase is at a NewsBusters board meeting. One of the owners, y'know.
Jer
well Jer
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:02 ET byno wonder you have to play the "i don't know what you're refering to" game with Dee it's one 3 on 1.
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
since you said three botg
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:07 ET by shawn228i guess I'm allowed to respond to you because i am one of the three. Dee called Bal an a-hole. She also made a accsation about how we gang up up on new members.
I notice lots of blanket statements lately that nobody seems to be able to back up. If we ask a simple explanation, it is always dismissed as nitpicking or whining.
Sorry Jer didn't meant to answer for you. Thats twice I did that to you tonight.
well yeah i said three cuz
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:10 ET bywell yeah i said three cuz first Bal and Jer were there then you inserted yourself. i came after all was set so yes i said three.
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
The idea that we're "ganging
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:13 ET by balboaThe idea that we're "ganging up" on Dee is ludicrous.
No it's not Balboa - you jerks do it to everyone
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:20 ET by Dee Bunkregardless if they have been there and stuck up for you in the past. You are like little children who act like you are in high school and I'm sick of it
That's even more ludicrous.
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:25 ET by balboaThat's even more ludicrous. Gang up on who? When? Where? C'mon...
All I've ever done is argue a point...and make silly comments.
oh puhleez Balboa was there
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:23 ET byoh puhleez Balboa was there a 'catty' comment and did or did not two others of you get involved? i guess the sky isn't blue and you're not playing dumb????? I'll give you a hint: either you're playin dumb or you're being dumb.
Either way it ain't flying.
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
I made a comment in reaction
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:27 ET by balboaI made a comment in reaction to BT. Jer and Shawn agreed-- in a civil manner-- that Dee's reaction seemed to be a bit much. I apologized for any offense taken.
THAT's ganging up?
why Bal? what's up with
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:36 ET bywhy Bal? what's up with that? why you even stirring it to begin? it's got to do with your overall perpetual disagreeing it makes you disagreeable. That's your cumulative persona here which you have worked hard to obtain. Don't whine when the fruits of your own labors come back to bite ya.
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
botg...Not playing any
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:22 ET by Jerbotg...Not playing any games. Maybe you should conduct a recount. I saw that bal was the target of a 4 on 1 pile-on: bigtimer, Dee, motherbelt, and Clear thinker...over what appeared to me was, at worst, a minor and unintentional slight. And, for that indiscretion [for which bal has since apologized], Dee was calling him an A$$hole. It was at that point I first commented.
Maybe there is a protocol for coming to someone's defense which I failed to observe. If so, please tell me what it is.
Jer
Jer here's what you
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:29 ET byJer here's what you wrote: Dee...With respect to the entirety of your first paragraph, I don't know whom or what you are talking about.
now you say you're not playing the "i don't know what you're talking about" game. Either you're acting stupid or you're not acting??????????? It ain't flying for Bal or you
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Well, botg...How about we
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:59 ET by JerWell, botg...How about we just leave it at "stupid".
Jer
sophistry, don't cha love
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 00:08 ET bysophistry, don't cha love it? it's the same root as sophomoric.
nite Jer
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Thanks for the etymology lesson, botg...
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 00:16 ET by JerThanks for the etymology lesson, botg...next time try choosing subject matter I'm not already familiar with. That was a waste of time. But, at least you made the effort.
Nite, Jer
I hope it WAS a shot at Obama
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:29 ET by CobraManI hope it WAS a shot at Obama and the rest of the Democrat Appeasers who think that, in spite 40 years of "talks" with Iran, they are really going to make a difference with unilateral discussions. Obama and the others won’t make a bit of difference by “talking” to Iran without conditions, other than to strengthen Iran's position and increase that government's clout with the rest of the Middle East.
"IF you believe that
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:30 ET by ckc1227"IF you believe that "wander around" was a shot at McCain, then this was a shot at Obama."
Uh, didn't he say he wasn't going to let McCain wander around, calling him out by name?
Even though Bush didn't mention one name, those protesting the most speaks volumes. Methinks they doth protest a little too much. I wonder why that is?
Frankly, I think he was talking about Obama and members of the Democrat party, and he was right. I'm just ticked off that he didn't own up to it. I would have.
»→ Bal, I agree
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:30 ET by Cool ArrowIf Miffy McCain gets pantywads from "losing his bearings" and "wander around", it only shows his hyperthin skin.
Neither reference overstepped a real boundary.
♣ a seal
Whole-heartedly agree.
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:35 ET by balboaWhole-heartedly agree.
McCain didn't complain about the comments
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:58 ET by Dee BunkMcCain didn't complain about the comments. I'm sure he'll continue to let Obama talk down to him in many other ways. It's those of us who don't like Obama's elitism that don't like the comments.
Don't bother Balboa with the
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 19:30 ET by Chris NormanDon't bother Balboa with the larger topic at hand, he's more concerned with the individual language of the comments here - why, I don't know.
Sometimes we talk about the
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 19:35 ET by balboaSometimes we talk about the stories, but often we talk about what people on this site think and how they interpret events.
Obama to offer refuttal at Iranian "parliament"?
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:34 ET by Jack BauerMaybe Obama will give his rebuttal to Bush at the Iranian "parliament"? That would be fun.
I did note that the Knesset gave PROLONGED applause at the comment the thin-skinned democrats are stroking out over.
Clearly they know something the Bidens of the world never learned.
Didn't Biden say Hitler told him he had no territorial demands over Poland?
Personally I'd have loved Dana to say:
Why not fair and balanced here?
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:46 ET by vaboxrboyFox also made ths same claim that it was directed towards Obama and then went further to say that it was also a shot at President Carter for having met with the terrorists.
You are missing the point vaboxboy
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:56 ET by Dee BunkIf it's also a shot a President Carter then how is it a shot at only Obama? Of course it's a shot at anyone who says or does those things so it's also a shot at Pelosi, Kennedy, Reed, Durbin and lots of others who have advocated talking to the terrorists.
And Newsbusters is not supposed to be fair and balanced anyway - it's a conservative site.
I got the point..
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 16:00 ET by vaboxrboyMy comment was to address the fact that CNN is pointed out for doing this and Fox wasn't. No matter, by the end of the day all the networks will have the same sentiment.
Bush is 100% on Mark!
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 16:00 ET by doug1950The only reasons the liberal Democrats are so upset is because they can clearly see themselves in his statements. Like when Jesus was having a discourse with the Pharasees and Scribes they became exceedingly angry because they too could clearly see whom he was referring to (He often referred to them as liars and hypocrits, and a "brood of vipers"). This has been one of the big mystries why so many liberals literally HATE Bush but can not tell anyone why. Because he exposes them for what they are and who they are. The whole bunch up in Washington needs to be replaced with people who love this country and who would almost rather be anyplace else than in Washington, but would go there to get the job done and then come home. Career politicians are responsible for getting this country into the mess it is in. We were so much better off when we all had strong local governments and the Federal Government was restricted to doing what was expressed in our Constitution. Slowly, incrementally the States have allowed the Federal Govt to take over everything. Our Founding Fathers warned of this time and again. It is the old Camel with its nose in the tent analogy and it has come to pass.
Don't negotiate with your
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 16:43 ET by goldbarDon't negotiate with your enemies. Just be sure to sell them all the weapons they need so they can use them against you.
Hey, our army's more
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 17:11 ET by SchnikeysHey, our army's more bitchin' than theirs is. Plus, we have more manpower at our disposal.
But hey, if crybaby partisan whores like yourself opt for weakness in the name of "human rights" and "equality" than go for it.
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That was pretty obtuse even
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 17:31 ET by Dan The Man 2That was pretty obtuse even for you goldie. I propose selling them used weapons, those being used on them that is, what the heck give them the weapons. Give them all the bullets, bombs and explosives they can stand.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
You have it wrong
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 17:39 ET by CobraMan"Don't negotiate with your enemies. Just be sure to sell them all the weapons they need so they can use them against you."
You have it wrong, it's "be sure to sell them INFERIOR weapons to which we already have an effective defense, so they can get their asses kick IF they ever use them against us." That's the real policy, and it actually works! That’s why, for example, you don’t see advanced American made weapons being used against us in the Middle East. Any American made or provided weaponry the terrorists may have available isn’t worth the metal they’re made from and any force that is dumb enough to use inferior weapons against us will not last long on the field of battle.
Do you REALLY think we’re stupid enough to sell advanced and highly effective weapon to people who may someday use them against us? If so, you REALLY need to rethink that position.
Well said,
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 17:46 ET by SchnikeysWell said, chief.
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That's your comeback to the
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 20:25 ET by Jack BauerThat's your comeback to the pathetically weak and childish Obama's position of sitting down as President with the world's bigget sponsor of terrorism.
Well he is only 48 and a community organizer, so what does he know. Really.
Don't you have an Obama service to go worship at? YES HE CAN be that dumb.
Perhaps in defense of Obama, the MSM will offer up..
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 18:18 ET by Gary HallPerhaps in defense of Obama, the MSM will offer up.. that in 2004, he offered up his plan for dealing with Iran (over nuke development), which technically, paralleled exactly what President Bush has been doing: Sanctions, talk (Bush admin. is the first since Carter broke off relations to hold talks with Iran) and then if that does not work, military strikes on the nuclear facilities are to be on the table.
But then again, the MSM doesn't want to remind the left of that flip-flopping side of Obama either. They want him to be a pacifist, but they don't want him to be called a pacifist. What's a media to do?
In the meantime, it was interesting to note:
1. That Bush did receive a rousing standing ovation during his speech today.
2. Just yesterday, it was reported that the Arab League and Saudi Arabia were threatening to sever ties with Iran (I think they implied Syria, as well) in regards to Iran's support of Hezbollah in the Lebanon crisis.
3. While it seems obvious that President Bush had Carter on his mind today, perhaps in that same tank was the likes of Dennis Kucinich. We do remember Kucinich on Syrian state run TV, referring to Assad as "His Excellency as he piled praise on the little tyrant," while granting the president of the United States only "Mr. Bush" status, while generally making him out to be nothing more than a hated war criminal.
Down here Dee
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:38 ET by shawn228Sorry, the threads getting a little skinny up there. You might want to give an example instead of making blanket statements.
Are you going to answer my question about the double standard, or am I a whining just asking the question?
shawn, what are you talking
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:44 ET byshawn, what are you talking about?
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
Sorry botg
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:49 ET by shawn228This question is for Dee. I would answer you, but you will magically try to turn it around just like you did to Bal. Quick question for you though. Did you referee this game?
am i a fakers fan?
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:54 ET byam i a fakers fan?
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
see botg?
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:58 ET by shawn228Even when I don't ask a question that is related to topic, you still can't give a straight answer.
I won't deny your one the most intelligent people on this site about many things, but you really have a probem answering a direct question. Doesn't the t shirt girl on the right look a lot like Obama Girl?
shawn the call was fake and
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 00:02 ET byshawn the call was fake and against the Celts, i'm from Celtic land i'd never make that call. i thought that was obvious in my put-down of the Lakers.
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You spent this hole thread
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 00:17 ET by general companyDefending the indefensible, so who are you trying to impress?
Doesn't the t shirt girl on the right look a lot like Obama Girl?
Hmm maybe she really isn't FOR Obama
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
General Company
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 00:45 ET by shawn228Balboa made a comment that might have been cheeky, maybe even sexist. Which he apologized for btw. That is indefensable ? Dee in turn called him an a-hole. Did D apologize?, no..she decided to hurl more accusations.
Which is worse?
Also, I think Obama Girl has bigger....umm brains.
Bal cheeky? never
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 00:47 ET by general companyI do not not know? I find myself not caring either, but I see you are not that restrained. As you would rather find fault with the opponent, as opposed to debate the subject at hand.
I wrote my true "feeling" about you, but I feared for you, so I deleated them. You may thank me if you like.
Thanks in advance
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
?????????
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 00:59 ET by shawn228Your almost as cryptic as botg. I realize you don't know and don't care, but your the one that made the statement about something being "'indefensable"
"I wrote my true "feeling" about you, but I feared for you, so I deleated them. You may thank me if you like."
umm, thank you?
Cryptic my a$$, maybe you just dont understand
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 01:16 ET by general companySoo sorry, I meant that I do not care about what you think on virtually any subject. Ill give you the reason too.
You are what I refer to as a whiner, don't confuse that with "winner" for you have never been that. You never stay on subject, you always twist you opponent, you say things that simply are not true. You infact twist. But we accommodate you by replying to your nonsense, Why you ask, because with us, the debate is NEVER over.
Look Shawn, I am only here for my personal amusement, If you are exspecting this thread to get long and skinny agian, sorry you are on your own.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
hmmmm
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 01:47 ET by shawn228I asked you what Bal said about your statement is in your words "indefensable" You replied you don't know and don't care.
Soooo, I'm the one that is not staying on topic and I am twisting your words and saying things that simply aren't true. Nice to know if you can back that up.
Also thank you for accomodating me, by asking me a question and being so kind to accuse me after I had the audacity to answer back to you.
Glad you are here for your own personal amusement, I hope I did not say too many non truths this time and we can put this to rest. Oh unless with you "the debate is NEVER over. ..lol
Oh your right,
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 01:55 ET by general companyAbout that question, so whats your answer? I mean its only been 3 responses since I asked it, oh BTW tell bal hay.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
well your last 3 post......
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 02:03 ET by shawn228.....have pretty much been about accusations you can't back up, and I decided to give you quick recap.
If you think i'm whining and twisting peoples words, perhaps a person of your wisdom can teach me the error of may ways.
Thank your admitting, i'm right. Dang gracious of ya. You can say Hay to bal yourself
NO
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 02:32 ET by general companyI have a life,
why penalizes me by making me find your BS. Oh so sorry never occurred to me that you might actually believe all that nonsense. Whaaaa
Your make believe indignation is about the funniest thing I have read here since being a member. And oh the topic, little late for that don't you think? Oh theirs another question. And if it isnt fake then it is twice funny
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
sigh
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 08:45 ET by shawn228You still can't back up anything you say and since your the one that was asking me the questions, I would say your the whiner. This is so silly, I don't know why I bothered to respond to you in first place.
your making less and less sense all the time. I'm bored now, so since I bother you so much feel free to not respond to my post anymore. cheers
As for having a life. Is this you? LMAO.
Well, maybe
Mon, 05/19/2008 - 00:28 ET by general companyhttp://youtube.com:80/watch?v=AijRBQf-ato
Thanks, just drunk, and home sick.
Finialy home: ]
Dont want anyone to forget, we have been their and we can go thier again.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
well shawn you jumped in a
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:57 ET bywell shawn you jumped in a thread between Bal, Jer and Dee.
Now you want me out; what's with YOUR double standard??
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Lol Bruce - you rock!
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:58 ET by Dee BunkGood way for me to leave for the night - have a good one
I just wanted to hear it from Dee Bruce
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 00:12 ET by shawn228I never wanted you out. Bal made a comment and he got raked over the coals. I mean he made sound like a cat. I mean what kind of comment can get someone really angry. Oh I know how about a racist comment?
"There's a very good reason no one cares about black people, Kanye- and it's often because you deserve it"
hmmm. That might get most people upset wouldn't it. Actually not, people on here defend that posters right to say something like that , and even try to point fingers at Noel Sheppard, when he said this remark was racist.
God forbid Balboa, make a cat sound.
nite
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 00:22 ET bynite shawn
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nite Bruce
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 00:26 ET by shawn228nite Bruce
You know Shawn - I don't have time to go searching around
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 23:56 ET by Dee BunkI know what I see and you people know what I'm talking about. I'm going to bed and if I have time in the morning I'll go into it in the wood shed. Not here. If I don't have time then I'll just keep calling it out when I see it. I really don't care what phony people think of me.
Actually Dee
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 00:18 ET by shawn228I really don't. If you don't want to search around, perhaps you can answer my questions about the double standard.
I don't really know why this needs to go to the woodshed. Who are the phoney people you are implying about? Is it me? Is it Balboa, Is it Jer?
Thats one of the blankets statements i'm talking about, I guess conservatives can get away with whatever statements they want on NB without backing it up. sigh
Look how sensitive you are about the woodshed
Fri, 05/16/2008 - 11:22 ET by Dee Bunkall that means is that we are having a personal argument that really doesn't have to do with the thread or an actual topic. You act like you are being put in a time out and reprimanded or something. If I go there (I'm thinking why even bother) you don't have to if you don't want to. I'm not the boss of you or anyone else.
I'm thinking that I won't bother going there because if you don't know what I'm talking about then you probably never will. I have no desire to dredge up past arguments - it's pointless. I'm not trying to pick on any one person. I'm equally aggravated with all of you (liberals) - so there's a rallying cry for you.
I will be sticking up for new and old posters when I see the types of things I mentioned. And yes - I have a double standard. Conservatives should feel more comfortable here than liberals because this is a conservative site. IN MY OPINION that is. Maybe to others here this is supposed to be fair and balanced like FOX News but that's not how I see it. It's not my site and it's not yours. We don't get to decide we just get to speak our minds and get kicked off if they think we are inappropriate.