Stephen King’s Third Explanation Still Unapologetic to Military

Photo of Noel Sheppard.

It appears three times isn't a charm for horror author Stephen King, who in his third attempt at explaining his peculiar remarks about people who can't read ending up in the Army still couldn't muster the strength to apologize to those he's offended.

I guess in his world, literacy means never having to say you're sorry.

On the upside, at least this time he didn't tell anybody to shut up, or blame the outrage on "Guys like [Noel Sheppard who] take their cues from [conservative commentators Rush] Limbaugh and [Bill] O'Reilly."

So, we've got that going for us...which is nice.

But before we get there, let's look at King's strike three as posted at his website Wednesday (emphasis added):

While serving as an ambassador for reading, I made a statement that was construed by certain right-wing bloggers and commentators as a knock on the US military. That wasn't my intention. I like the troops just fine, and respect the hell out of their brainpower. I know that most of them read, because I send them books when they ask, and a lot do. I will continue to provide this service. It's the war our politicians--many of whom have never heard a shot fired in anger--have sent them to fight that I have a problem with. But that is neither here nor there. What concerns me is how many high school students either read poorly or choose not to read at all, unless forced to do it. Part of the reason is cutbacks in educational money that the national government used to provide. Part of the reason has to do with mistaken initiatives like No Child Left Behind, which teaches kids to pass tests but not to think or to rejoice in the language arts. Most teachers loathe the No Child program, and I don't blame them. Kids who read poorly do poorly on their SATs and have bad or barely acceptable grade-point averages. Many will be faced with entry-level jobs like clerking and handing out burgers from the drive-thru window. The best option for many is the armed services, because they see a chance to continue their educations and/or learn a marketable skill. Many will wind up in Iraq and Afghanistan. Some will die, because this is an entry-level position where kids wind up getting shot at. I love their courage, I wish they were there for a better reason, and most of all I hope that my remarks won't detract from the real problem: too many kids in America read for pleasure on the text-screens of their phones and hardly anywhere else." [sic]

Notice something conspicuously absent other than an apology to those he offended?

Well, how about an acknowledgement that members of the military and their families felt dishonored by his remark? Find anything in this explanation indicating such?

No. Instead, King framed the outrage as only coming from "certain right-wing bloggers and commentators." I guess he missed this from the Associated Press last Thursday (emphasis added):

The ensuing flap drew a response Wednesday from U.S. Army spokesman Paul Boyce, who said most soldiers are avid readers. Military recruits test above the national average in reading and vocabulary skills, he added.

"America's soldiers are proudly serving and fighting for us all. We can be proud of our soldiers' selfless service, their skill and their ingenuity. They certainly are role models for every high-school student in America considering a noble career ... and many book authors," Boyce said.

As such, it wasn't just right-wing bloggers and commentators that "construed" his remark as being anti-military; it was folks involved with the armed forces. That said, wasn't King's use of the word "construed" rather than "misconstrued" somewhat telling? Consider that construe means:

1. to give the meaning or intention of; explain; interpret.
2. to deduce by inference or interpretation; infer: He construed her intentions from her gestures.

If right-wing bloggers and commentators got it wrong, shouldn't King have used "misconstrued":

to misunderstand the meaning of; take in a wrong sense; misinterpret.

Hmmm. Maybe that means we got it right, and King knows it. Or is this just another unfortunate slip of his keyboard?

Regardless, after King presented readers his poor opinion of education in America, he seemed to dig his hole with the military a tad deeper:

Kids who read poorly do poorly on their SATs and have bad or barely acceptable grade-point averages. Many will be faced with entry-level jobs like clerking and handing out burgers from the drive-thru window. The best option for many is the armed services, because they see a chance to continue their educations and/or learn a marketable skill.

It's going to be very interesting to see whether folks that were displeased with King's original remarks will be placated by this explanation. Of course, this one was certainly far better than his first attempt which mysteriously divined from the sentence "Nice sentiment when the nation is at war" the following (emphasis added):

That a right-wing-blog would impugn my patriotism because I said children should learn to read, and could get better jobs by doing so, is beneath contempt. Noel Sheppard says, “Nice sentiment when the nation is at war, Stephen.” I guess he feels ignorance and illiteracy are OK when the country needs cannon-fodder. I guess he also feels that the war in Iraq has nationwide approval.

I've been dying for someone -- including those sending me e-mail messages in support of King -- to explain how "Nice sentiment when the nation is at war" is an impugnment of the author's patriotism as well as an affirmation that ignorance and illiteracy are okay and the war in Iraq has nationwide approval.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Fortunately, there was none of that nonsense in King's third explanation, nor was there a call to arms for his fans to send me e-mail messages saying, "Hi, Noel—Stephen King says to shut up and I agree."

Also missing in attempt number three was King's suggestion that conservative talk show hosts were to blame for the outrage concerning his remarks -- instead of himself, of course. As reported by the Bangor Daily News Thursday (explanation #2, emphasis added throughout):

The best-selling author was not issuing any apologies, however, when the BDN reached him by phone at his Sarasota, Fla., winter home on Wednesday.

Referring to right-wing blogger Noel Sheppard, who helped fan the flames of criticism this week, King said, "Guys like him take their cues from [conservative commentators Rush] Limbaugh and [Bill] O’Reilly, who are adept at shifting discussion from what they don’t want to talk about, such as the failures of the war in Iraq, to what they want to talk about — supporting the troops. Of course, we all support the troops."

Guys like me take their cues from conservative commentators? Really? You mean like the way King not only instructed his readers to send me e-mail messages, but also with specific content?

Those kind of cues?

Makes one wonder where King got this idea from? After all, O'Reilly covered this story on May 8 -- three days after my original piece was published. As for Rush, I'm not sure if he ever got around to this, although I know Mark Levin did, as did Glenn Beck, both after it was reported by NewsBusters.

So much for guys like me taking their cues from conservative commentators. By contrast, King's minions are still soiling my inbox nine days after he first requested they do so.

Maybe when he finally grows the spine necessary to apologize to folks associated with the military he'll take a moment to place something at his website asking his readers to stop trying to take away my first amendment privileges.

Or didn't King consider the amazing hypocrisy inherent in an American writer asking his readers to send e-mail messages instructing another American writer to "Shut up?" Nor did any of the mindless automatons that followed his absurd request explain why King was entitled to make the statements he did in April, but I didn't possess the right to suggest his remark was inappropriate when the nation was at war.

The irony of attempting to deny my freedom of speech never crossed the minds of those who rushed to defend King's.

Alas, this is not a new concept for conservatives, as in the minds of liberals, the first amendment only applies to them.

In the end, this is a far greater lesson to be learned from this incident than the realization that liberals in the media hate the military, as they're a dime a dozen.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.


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Noel, it's like he's hoping

Noel, it's like he's hoping he can bury the nasty intent of his original comment by dumping a million meaningless platitudes on top of it. It still doesn't change what he said originally - his meaning was quite clear.

Chris

Chris,

Darned right. In reality, there's so much more I'd like to say about this issue, but I'm trying to be discrete and diplomatic. In the end, I'm a BIG Stephen King fan. HUGE. One of my favorite writers. Some of my favorite movies come from his books or short stories.

I really can't believe he's allowed this to fester, and hasn't just come out and apologized. That's what he should have done day one, and this would have all gone away. ns

Well, it can't be too often

Well, it can't be too often that one of your favorite writers actually declares war on you. You should be...uh...honored?

BTW, how does one apologize for something like this? He could say he's sorry for his cruel and unfair words, but that doesn't erase the fact that he obviously believed in what he was saying. Does he apologize for being an elitist who looks down on military service as somehow being for the illiterate? I know he has to apologize, but some bile just can't be erased and forgotten - I'm not wording this very well - do you know what I mean?

I get ya Chris. King would

I get ya Chris. King would have to do a hell of a lot of groveling, the sniveling kind, on his knees, to ever see the light at the end of this tunnel.

I guess King knows that

I guess King knows that and it's why he's so angry that it got revealed to a wider audience than kids.

Noel,

The fact that you could go on about this is obvious, lol. King is probably my favorite contemporary fiction author, too. I'm as surprised as you that he hasn't just apologized, say he mis-spoke, whatever. Let it go.

In re Chris' comment about the remark itself, I think King's just stuck in the old mind-set of the Army taking anyone who would apply. There was a time, after all, when trouble-makers and poor students looked on the Army as a last-ditch chance for a career. It offered "three-squares and a cot," at least. But that isn't the modern military, not by a long shot. For a "forward-thinking" liberal, King seems stuck in the '60s when it comes his perception of the military. Even his "third try" has a reference that some soldiers are illiterate. He just needs educated. 

It has been

many, many years since I read Stephen King, I guess I just moved away from the genre... When I read fiction I read Michael Connelly, Robert Crais, Lincoln Child and Douglas Preston, Lee Child, Steven Havill, Michael McGarrity, Archer Mayor, Dana Stabenow...have I gone on long enough? :)

Hopefully, Child and Preston

Hopefully, Child and Preston will get off the "Pendergrast brothers battle" thing now they've killed the bad one off (I hate "story arcs") and get back to other plots (I loved The Cabinet of Curiosities, but things went downhill with Brimstone and Dance of Death). McGarrity okay, but Kearney's getting a little too patly well off and well - domestic. Have you ever tried the Repairman Jack books by F. Paul Wilson? They're fun - the earlier ones being better.

No, I have not Chris

but my son and I are always looking for new authors and I will check Wilson out right away. I know what you are saying about McGarrity and the Pendergast books...I just reread all of the Pendergast books and picked up quite a bit which tied thing together. I feel I "know" some of the characters and become attached to them and the story line.

I really enjoyed Michael Connelly's books,

but I learned the hard way that they should be read in order. I read one out of order, then read an earlier one. The killer in the one I had read was just one of the characters in the previous one, with no hint of what was to come. It spoiled the earlier one for me. I also like that characters in a non-Harry Bosch book will turn up later in a Harry Bosch book, illustrating what a small world this is.

Chai

“A liberal is a man who will give away everything he doesn’t own.” —Frank Dane

Yep. In order

when ever I read a new author I find the first book and read from there...I have learned the hard way. BTW, if you read any of Robert Crais you will find a cross over between Harry and Elvis-each is mentioned in the others books.

My son loves Chai Tea, I make my own for him.

Wrong wrong wrong

Everything that is wrong with American politics is manifested in this site's continuing attack on Stephen King for (wait for it ...) - using his constitutional right to freedom of speech.  Oh, how terrible.

I am of a conservative bent and you constantly point out on this site how elements of the liberal media and the far left of American politics deny that right to conservatives - and then you blithely attempt the same.

I am afraid that King did indeed misspeak but not by a lot.  It has been a great tradition for those without strong literacy or education to see the US military as a career choice - one from which the vast majority learn a great deal - discipline, work skills and literacy.  And one from which many then benefitted even after service through the GI Bill and similar programs - not to mention that they are far more employable after service than before.

If Bill O'Reilly pointed this out he would be lauded here - if King does or Clinton did they are/would be slammed.

Get a life guys and concentrate on the real issues - global terrorism, the importance of lowering taxes and conservative economic policy among them.  Don't run off at the mouth in the hope (in this case unfortunately fulfilled) of getting some wider attention.

And just remember - when you criticise someone else for freedom of speech - the person, rather than the opinion - which is clearly where you overstepped the bounds here - then you ask for the same in return.

 

zzzz

It appears King's minions have at last broken through NB's security.

I am afraid that King did indeed misspeak but not by a lot.  It has been a great tradition for those without strong literacy or education to see the US military as a career choice

So did he misspeak or not? You are confirming exactly what he said even as you claim he misspoke.

Now instead of talking about the illiterate, we're dealing with those who aren't strong readers. Interesting.

If Bill O'Reilly pointed this out he would be lauded here

Half the people on NB don't even like BOR so this is just a lazy assumption.

Don't run off at the mouth in the hope (in this case unfortunately fulfilled) of getting some wider attention.

If I remember correctly, Noel wrote up a standard article about a celebrity who said something provactive with no hope of getting attention beyond his usual sphere. No one on here attempted to silence or censor Mr. King in any way. King took it upon himself to ask Noel to shut up, which is *really* what started the drama.

when you criticise someone else for freedom of speech...then you ask for the same in return.

Says the guy who came here to criticize our free expression...

rockyhead, fess up. You are Ryan's brother, aren't you? Jerk.

I come from a large and rather well educated military family. My father, a former Marine who served five years in the Korean War, was a graduate of the Georgia Institute of Technology with a degree in Mechanical Engineering. He was also a licensed civil engineer, a registered land surveyor (RLS) as well as a landscape architect.

He is now eighty years old and dying from Alzheimer's.

His brother, the uncle I was named after, and who happens to be a licensed architect himself, was a carrier pilot in the Korean War.

One of his two sons was a S.E.A.L. officer. He now has the financial means to probably buy you ten times over, and I doubt it would even alter the numbers in his checking account.

I can trace my family's proud military service all the way back to well prior to the Civil War, and can include one governorship along the way.

The other family members I had in the military number well over thirty. Perhaps even as high as fifty.


Do not ever again imply in my presence that the U.S. military accepts the stupid and the illiterate.

RD... Suggestion: Don't

RD...

Suggestion: Don't bother with this maroon, he ain't worth the time it took to type what you did.

 

"Abstain from McCain"

Ct, I hear ya, pal.

But sometimes its just, well..AAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!

KWIM?

 

Shields up Mr Sulu!!!

Cling-on intruders have breached on outer defenses. 

American Dream – 10,000 politicians swimming to Europe with a lawyer under each arm. 

To rockywood

Balboa responds to rockywood...hmmm.

Anywhoo, this is the most important thing to remember in this issue: King made a statement that inferred that illiterate people go into the army as a last resort. What people here are upset about is that that statement is insulting to the army because it is factually incorrect. The ruckus is not that King merely voiced an opinion.

Bal

That pretty well sums it up.

Stephen King is an idiot!

Stephen King is an idiot!

Now, what was his latest lie? ;-)

 

Pledge to not support RINOs ever again!

King is still out of touch

King is still out of touch with the insulting import of his initial bizarre statement about poor readers potentially ending up in Iraq. I don't think he'll ever get it. The guy's got too many boogey men (political and otherwise) playing tag in his brain to think clearly anymore.

Gee I believe that

Ok I dont.He is pretty arrogant if he thinks that yarn he spun will be believed.Save it for the books Stephen.Not that I read your stuff anyways. 

"That wasn't my intention.

"That wasn't my intention. I like the troops just fine, and respect the hell out of their brainpower."

Yup, sounds like he holds the military in the highest regard. </sarc>

Mainism

The personal invective on this site is amazing.  Can I just point out that I have spent quite a bit of time in Maine.

The term you attack: 'I like the troops just fine"

is actually a STRONG term of support in the Maine lingo - "just fine" would mean "a helluva lot" to a Brooklyn-ite.

 

Noel, The Most Disappointing Aspect Of This

What I find most disappointing about this whole interchange w/Mr. King is his urging his supporters to send email with the message "shut up".

In his most recent explanation he uses the phrase "think and rejoice in the language arts". By that I have to presume that he is referring to the ability to reason; to employ critical thinking skills and the ability to string words together in a grammatically correct and aesthetically pleasing manner.

And yet, when he was afforded the opportunity to open a dialog about this issue in the first place, what did he do? He encouraged people to cease thinking and suppress any dialog with conservatives. He told his fans to email you with the stultifying message - shut up.

Stephen, my friend, if you can't walk the walk, don't talk the talk. Your actions speak much, much louder than your words. It's clear that you don't value that vaunted ability to "think and rejoice in the language arts", not really. You just want all of us conservatives to shut up.

It's hard to have a civilised discussion when the best responce one side can muster is to plug their ears and loudly chant "la la la la la la la la".

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

www.conservativeboot...

Geoff,

I had made the "shut up" point previously, but you did it much more eloquently. That particular term really grates on me; among other things I did not allow my son to say to anyone was "shut up".

Shut Up Is Incredibly Insulting

I agree - I'd rather someone call me names and curse my parentage or the ground I walk, than for them to simply dismiss me by telling me to "shut up". I never let my kids get away with that at home either. Dismissiveness is the verbal equivalent of just bashing someone over the head and walking away. Not acceptable in civilsed circles.


"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

www.conservativeboot...

As it happens, King has

As it happens, King has spoken and written about the value of the First Amendment fairly often--particularly when some libraries have attempted to ban his books. It's extremely revealing that, in this case, the best he can come up with re criticism of his comments is "shut up". You're right, actions speak louder than words. He has First Amendment rights, and others may or may not have them, it would seem.

Celator -

Yeah, this looks like another DAISNAID (do as I say not as I do) event from our friends on the left. Put's me in mind of seeing footage of Algore waddling up the steps of another private jet as the limo that brought him to the plane zooms off in a cloud of oil smoke, all the while he's lecturing some poor fool on his cell phone about driving an SUV.


"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

www.conservativeboot...

thanks geoff

Algore waddling...nice image for me to have right before I go to bed.

Candance - Sorry

I gotta call 'em like I see 'em.


"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

www.conservativeboot...

Over

Hey Noel -

It's over...

King may try - but he shouldn't get off the mat from this beatdown...

WOW Noel,

that was pretty well written and thought out...considering you had to contact Rush and Bill quickly. Which one of them gave you the idea for the "Those kind of cues?" discussion...I thought that was a great point. LOL

 

rolls eyes

This guy apparently knows zero about working class people OR the military. You can't just show up one day and say "hey lemme in the Army." They have mental, educational, and physical standards to assure that they get qualified people.

If his theory was really true, McDonald's and Wal Mart would be empty where their employees all ran away for the military.

He likes the military just fine. Is that supposed to be an apology? 

 He likes the military

 He likes the military just fine. Is that supposed to be an apology? 

 

Well, I think it is more designed to keep them from calling and e-mailing him 24-7.

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Noel....

I don't think the heavy stuff is going to come for some time yet... I'd play through.

Viper

V,

You know your "Caddyshack." Thanks for the giggle. ns

Noel,

I had once thought it only a matter of time before Stephen King would come to his senses and apologize for his wayward comment, if not to us, at least to the the very people that make it possible for him to say whatever he wishes.

However, that was back when I thought it just possible that Mr. King had some actual class about him.

Given the length of time that has elapsed since you first brought this matter to our attention, it appears my attributing "class" to Mr. King was in error.

 

 

Maybe

.........part of the reason kids can't/don't read today is the ability, and or quality of those teaching said kids. Can you say "teacher's unions" ?

Hey Stevie...

 Try calling the N E A instead of insulting are "outstanding" military personnel! 

American Dream – 10,000 politicians swimming to Europe with a lawyer under each arm. 

Wrong? A Socialist? Surely you jest?

There is a disconnect in the mind of liberal elitists. Much like the Soviet socialists, the American socialists are convinced they know what's good for the rest of us. We are only pawns a bigger picture that only they see.

Socialism is not dead, in fact even the last large communist country China is more economically capitalist than the American Left. If they dupe the country into a Democratic landslide, I fear it is an abyss from which in this day and age we may not ever again be able to climb out of.

King, Clinton, Obama, Kennedy... They are just the last breath of Stalin. Being at the top of a socialist system means never having to say you are sorry to any one.

This King debacle is more symptomatic of the larger problem than most of us are contemplating.

He's still pissed

 

Because ET was a much bigger hit the IT.

what's the difficultly rating for a back flip with a twist

Someone needs to let King know that Teddy Kennedy wrote "No Child Left Behind" legislation. Any likeness to Bush's NCLB in Texas resides in the name alone.

NB-NOEL WHAT IS THIS..LOSER WED'S ?

I'm looking down the Web page...Obama, Edwards, Katie, and S. King.....It's Loser day on NB..

hollywood is Supporting Losers...The Iraq war is in an unreported winning streak......talk about bad timing for a movie.

Illiteracy and the Left

When I was in college, I worked part-time as a writing tutor at our student union.  I did proofreading and would give advice about how to structure and present papers.  It came as a big shock to discover that many of my..."clients" (maybe 1 in 5) could barely read or write at all.  They would come in with nothing and expect me to write their papers for them.  I would ask them to prepare an outline of what they had in mind, right there in front of me.  Each of these college students tended to react to this in similar ways.  Their jaws would stiffen and their posture would curl and their heads would bow.  They were clearly suffering from a deep shame of being illiterate. 

One guy who was willing to be up front about his illiteracy described it to me as a product of white guilt.  He didn't use that term, but he said that his high school teachers never demanded anything from him because he was black.  He said that one of his teachers in high school even admitted to him that he felt obligated to pass him because he was white and therefore had no business judging a black kid.  Sound familiar?  Michael Moore said the same thing about Rev. Wright.  He said white people had no right to judge black people. 

I hate to say it, but none of the illiterate college students I met were white.  They were all black, most having earned athletic scholarships.  Perhaps such a comment about blacks will be deemed to be a racist comment against them.  This is not at all what I mean.  This is an indictment of the Left for having conditioned so many people, of all races, to expect so little from black people.  If this isn't a crime, I don't know what is.

King cannot apologize

King cannot apologize because he believes what he said.  I’m not too worried about the men and women in the services, because they know who they are and why they are doing what they are doing.  I want an apology aimed at the high school students who were attending an event where the speaker(s) (King) were telling them how to be successful adults.  King insinuated that the military sucks up losers.  

The real truth is I don’t want to hear an apology, because, again, I think he really believes what he said.  What I want is an attempt at balance when presentations are made to our students.

MaggieQ

 

What I want is an attempt at balance when presentations are made to our students.

<sarcasm>It sounds as though you're dangerously close to advocating for a fairness doctrine of sorts.</sarcasm>

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

 

- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

www.conservativeboot...

Hmmm….. fairness doctrine

Hmmm….. fairness doctrine at the school level, imagine.  In my area, school assemblies bring students together to present information about ‘safe sex’.  Abstinence is not part of the program.  In my area, there is a major effort to keep military recruiters out of the schools and the communities (Berkeley).  

Sure would like to think that “fairness” would be an integral part of any school presentation….. hearing from all sides of an issue.  Stephen King has his side nailed down.

Oh, You're In Berzerkley

My condolences. I'm safely down in North County San Diego, right next to Camp Pendleton where we're a little less, uh, stressed.

Seriously, that whole Fairness Doctrine debate is so hilarious. People like Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann rant about it up until they figure out that it would mean turning their shows over to conservative commentators as well as them having time of conservative talk radio. At that point, the fervour to pass the Fairness Doctrine cools down quite a bit.

It's a shame that liberal talk radio has largely been a failure commercially. They just don't seem to grasp that advertisers, even those who support liberal/leftist causes, don't particularly want their names associated with people who periodically spew hate and venom over the airwaves. Go figure!

As you well know, the liberal stranglehold on the msm is one of the factors that is causing a slow steady decline in viewership. Soon they'll just be preaching to the choir.


"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

www.conservativeboot...

My condolences…..

I don’t need your condolences.  I need for your Pendleton Marines to win the battle of the Shattuck Avenue Berkeley Recruiting Office.  (The local enemy has been entrenched for about 40 years.)

Seriously, I cannot fathom how a Fairness Doctrine would be interpreted in the local media.

FD In All It's Glory

Under it's last incarnation, the FD consisted of those two or three minute "opposing point of view from responsible parties" pieces that were generally shown at the end of local newscasts. I'm sure that's what the FCC would use as a model for the starting point of a resurrected FD.

Where it would get interesting is the lawsuits that would inevitably be filed by people and groups who were denied access to the airwaves because the station management deemed that they weren't "responsible parties", or that their "opposing point of view" wasn't widely held in the community. That's part of what happened last time around - radio and TV stations were sued routinely about their decisions and eventually the Supreme Court recognised that determining who is a "responsible party" and what is a "responsible opposing point of view" is an impossible task to thrust upon local station management. The whole system begs the question about how many differing points of view the station must accommodate, and how often.

The history of the FD dates to the late 1940's when the broadcast media were much less developed than they are today. There were three TV networks, only large cities had more than three or four channels, commercial FM radio was in it's infancy, heck even AM radio was only 25 years old. In many rural settings with a weekly paper, the single AM station was the only news outlet in town. The FD made much more sense in that context. Especially when you consider that 65% of our population was rural.

Today, your basic cable or satellite TV account brings you 100+ channels and somewhere near 93% of Americans have one or the other; the AM and FM radio dials are crowded and you can choose what opinions you wish to hear; 80%+ of Americans have access to internet news sources at home or at work. The need for an FD is highly questionable.

BTW, no slam on Berkeley - I did a three-year consulting gig with UC and spent a lot of time both in Oakland and the home offices of the UC and in Berkeley and met a lot of decent people. I do wish the Marines could help out there on Shattuck Ave - that whole Code Stink mess is just sad.


"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

www.conservativeboot...

Feedback

I noticed that there's no area on King's site for feedback. So...

To: Stephen King

No need to explain what you wrote, I can read quite well. Your opinion of our military is also clear. So in interest of clarity let me say, I don't like your books. The subject matter tends to be appalling and some of them take forever for the plot to develop. Although they are not as long winded as L Ron Hubbards Sci Fi books neither are they as interesting. I would not recommend them to anyone.

Please cease and desist your attempt to suppress Noel Sheppard's Free Speech rights. That action only serves to prove that his comments are correct and after reading your comments I don't need additional proof.

Mainers opine on the SK

Mainers opine on the SK debacle. Here is a link to some of the first responders at the Bangor Daily.

http://bangornews.com/news/t/viewpoints.aspx?articleid=164098&zoneid=36 

Blame the lack of $$$ in

Blame the lack of $$$ in education.  That is what the lib always do. There are millions being spent on reading programs in the US. The problem is in the education system itself and has nothing to do with money. It is the methods that they are using. 3 of my gandchildren go to a charter school where they are taught to read using phonics. They are reading above their grade level.  If they would take the phsycos out and let educators educate like they did when many of us went to school Johnny would learn to read.

A bitter, clingy gun owner who drives a 4-WD truck with a gun rack and goes to church and studies the Bible.

If that's an apology

THEN SOCCER IS A SPORT!

Soccer

My son's spanish teacher says soccer is a hispanic cultural event. 

American Dream – 10,000 politicians swimming to Europe with a lawyer under each arm. 

The mentality looks like

The mentality looks like this:

I would never sacrifice myself for the greater good.

Therefore, there must be something wrong with those who do.

I know! They must not be as educated/smart/wealthy/sophisticated (pick at least one) as I am!

All evidence to the contrary is irrelevant.

You're a little off

The mentality starts with:

There is NO greater good other than myself.

I should never be asked to sacriface (see above).

Others should sacrifice for me.

Those who do sacrifice themselves for my greater good, must not have any self-esteem (or they'd think like me).

Therefore, they must be flawed in some way.

 

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.

Yup,

The liberal "enlightened geniuses" would never actually fight to defend our rights. Only neanderthals resort to violence. They think they are smart enought to negotiate with tyrants in order to defend freedom.

  MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe.

"I know that most of them

"I know that most of them read."

So he actually does believe you can get into the military without knowing how to read. "Hey Sarge, what's this here red button say?"

What an epic douchebag; he has eclipsed Behar in my book.  

Painted on the window of

Painted on the window of the Patriot Harley Davidson store here in Fairfax, VA, is a great thought:

"If you can't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them." 

And I might add that when Rolling Thunder/Ride of the Patriots takes off (Sun. May 25th this year), Rte 50 in front of their store (and I imagine every other route to and from the Pentagon parking lot) is an amazing thing to see and hear!

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

Don't

Don't discount King's veiled intention to use this as a slam on the intelligence of John McCain.

Also, is King suggesting that if our schools were churning out perfect students, military recruiting would dry up and we would be left without proper defense?

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Puh-LEEZE

Noel,

Another enlightened genius spewing what he knows absolutely NOTHING about: 

"Guys like him take their cues from [conservative commentators Rush] Limbaugh and [Bill] O’Reilly.... 

Anyone who visits this site regularly in the morning KNOW that it is the other way around. Many times I have thought of sending a heads-up to Rush, but I found that he regularly cites NB stories.

Stevie thinks we're all too dumb to think without getting our "marching orders" every day. Keep up the good work. 

  MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe.

What a maroon. What an ignoranamous!

King, we're not impugning you patriotism as you like to claim. We're questing you intelligence as you just can't seem to figure it out. For some unknown reason, you still persist in you're delusion that the members of our military are under-educated and only volunteer because they have no better choice. You still fail to realize that our troops are smarter, stronger, and more inventive than the majority of Americans, especially when compared to YOU!

What a thinker this guy is.

"The best option for many is the armed services, because they see a chance to continue their educations and/or learn a marketable skill."

So in his mind the military is where our youth are to be educated?

We spend billions on a basic public education system and when someone pisses away the best freebie out there they should "continue" their effort in the military.

Astounding logic there Mr King. Astounding!

King's next novel: Mad

King's next novel:

Mad Cow Disease - An Autobiographical Portrait About Meaninglessness.

What a complete putz.

RRAM Tough! 

I support our troops, and I read Stephen King

I'd open up a friendly discussion with anyone here, namely you Mr. Sheppard, in support of Stephen King.

Unfortunately, it seems that the majority of your readers wish to simply rant and rave about King's comments like a cliche in high school. A cliche that never really accomplishes anything, but still seems to have fun at verbally abusing (sometimes with innacurate grammar) one of the best fiction writers of the last few decades.

A man who won a Medal for Distinguished Contribution to American Letters from the National Book Foundation has better foundation to stand on when making comments related to anything. Especially in comparison to those making comments on your site (including yourself). And yet you still ridicule the man.

Once again, I stand behind my request to open a discussion about King's remarks and the "outrage" it has caused.

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You will have to excuse us TheRy

we are all too stupid because we didn't read enough Stephen King so we have bad grammar. Either that or we type too fast and have some dyslexia type problems. I'm sure it's all the same to you. Something to pick on. Talk about high school.

LOL Dee

I think we can both agree this particular person needs an attitude adjustment!

Sadly though, you and I run in different cliques so we can't be friends. Such a cliche!

I'm sorry that you feel that way Candance

I don't belong to any clique. My friendships don't require people to like or dislike the same people. I don't have any problem with you.

Dee

Dee,

I think she was being sarcastic. ns

No Dee!!

It was a joke! It was a play on Ry saying we're all in high school cliches! Nothing personal against you!! I'd have made the same joke if replying to Noel!

I'm glad Candance

You seemed pretty offended yesterday and I didn't intend to offend you. I think we disagree about the latitude people should be given but it doesn't mean I disagree with you about everything.

yeah Dee

I was pretty steamed yesterday but grudges are unhealthy. We'll just have to agree to disagree on language.

Candance, I also caught

Candance,

I also caught his/her perfect grammar in "cliche". Ironic to say the least.

I never called anyone

I never called anyone stupid. I stated that a man who has won awards for his writing and literacy has more foundation than you or ME on which to stand when he makes comments about literacy in our country.

In regards to your saying I'm doing the same thing by "calling out" the bloggers of this site, I am not. I'm simply defending a writer who has had a large impact on my life. I'm trying to open your eyes to another perspective.

Look at the header of Newsbusters, "exposing and combating liberal media bias."

Where are the liberals? Whom are you combating? All you are doing is poking fun at liberals and the comments they make and then patting each other on the back because there won't be any answer.

It's very comfortable to criticize when no one can answer, tends to make an individual think they are right when all they hear is what they want to. This is my problem with ultra-conservative AND ultra-liberal blogs like this, there is no debate.

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ha!

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *holds stomach from pain* ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *falls out of chair* ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *rolls around on floor* ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *coughs* ha ha ha ha ha *stops to catch breath*

There's no debate on NB. Wow, that's rich. Dee and I had a tussle just yesterday over a liberal who spoke his mind quite plainly.

Again, we did not complain about his speech regarding literacy, only the military. He implied that illerate people can join the military for financial security.This is false because the military has educational standards for recruitment.

Either prove to us that the military openly accepts illiterate recruits or concede that Mr. King didn't know what he was talking about.

Where are the liberals?

Where are the liberals? Whom are you combating? All you are doing is poking fun at liberals and the comments they make and then patting each other on the back because there won't be any answer.

Actually, we have many liberals on this site, who many of us here consider friends. We may not always agree, but I can assure you that most of the discourse you will encounter on this site is far more above-board that just about any other.

Had you troubled yourself to read over the threads here while breathlessly awaiting your account approval so you could come in here and attack Noel over a two-week old article, then you would know this.

Legalize Freedom-Vote Libertarian

wow

How delicious.

Yes dear Rye, please continue embarrassing those of us in our high school cliche because we use poor grammar.

*snicker*

PS - What does an award from the National Book Foundation have to do with his remarks about the military?

You do know the military has a strict standard of only recruiting those who are literate, which is a direct contradiction to Mr. King's assertion?

PS - What does an award

PS - What does an award from the National Book Foundation have to do with his remarks about the military?

I think it means "hey pleb, who are you to criticize a professional writer? He's won awards, what have you ever done."

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

What I am saying is that a

What I am saying is that a man who has won awards for his writing and literacy has
more foundation than you or ME on which to stand when he makes comments
about literacy in our country.

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Then what a pity he doen't

Then what a pity he doesn't know what he's talking about.

The level of High School grads and college grads is HIGHER in the military than in the general population.

That's a fact. An absolute fact.

And the fact King does not know that, makes him UNQUALIFIED to bloviate on literacy.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

I note that the guy calling

I note that the guy calling for the King debate with NB posters, REFUSES to respond to any of my reasonable comments as an admirer of King's writing and a loather of his politics.

Some DEBATE on your part.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

We've been there, and done

We've been there, and done that... TWO WEEKS AGO, and your characterization is incorrect. As my posts prove.

May 5, 2008 - 11:49 ET by Jack Bauer
Hearts in Atlantis is indeed a great book. It would be called literature if he wasn't considered a "commercial" writer.

A stunning achievement IMHO.

The fuuny thing... it's usually liberals who look down on a writer like King.

And King is one of America's greatest living novelists (despite Cell).

But his politics suck ass. I honestly don't think he's been right in the head since he almost died when hit by a car.

King Rat
May 6, 2008 - 06:15 ET by Jack Bauer
ns -- Mark Levin opened his show Monday with your piece of King. Kudos.

As I said in your first thread, I do think King is one of America's best living writers, but his politics suck like a really needy thing.

And I don't think he's been right in the head since he was hit by that car.

But .. his response to this is pretty pathetic. Why does anyone CARE what Stephen King thinks about military service, as he clearly holds in contempt, as virtual illiterates, those who serve.

Mr King -- why don't you ASK them what they think instead of your faux concern. No doubt you can find those who don't think Iraq was worth it, but I'll bet you'll find the vast majority of the military disagree with your views.

No doubt you think because they're just dumb illiterates who would be flipping burgers if they hadn't joined up.

Maybe they're just like the robots who go to your website top be told what to think and what to do.

Wow...how dumb is that. You click your fingers and they email a prepared statement by you. 

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Well, lots to agree and

Well, lots to agree and disagree about on this topic. Two things really jump out at me while reading through many of these posts.

1. Many of you have stated that you are current-former-wanna be-or the spouse of- a military person. You like to state that "Those soldiers that King has called illiterate are the ones putting their lives on the line for our freedoms (or are those who HAD put their lives on the line)". Is that right? It is isn't it? My husband is currently on his 2nd tour in Iraq and hopefully he can retire if and when he comes home. My dad and father in law are also veterans (WWII and Korea). Yes they have all fought for our freedoms and I apprecaite all that they have done. What you all are missing is this very very very simple fact. Freedom of Speech is for ALL of us here in the good old USofA - NOT just for those people who share our beliefs and opinions. Do you know just how liberal and politcally correct (PC) you all sound? "How dare he say such a thing" - well, he is a tax paying American isn't he? He can pretty much say whatever the heck he wants to say - right? Within the law that is. Also - why should he apologize? Soldiers know that they have to know how to read to get into the military - even though they are starting to take some very questionable recruits now because their numbers are down. My husband could care less - he and his unit would really rather have us all be up in arms over their lack of body armour and basic supplies than what an author had to say over a month ago. He said "tell them to send us some unscented baby wipes and some bug repellant".

2. To those of you who have made remarks about King and his car crash - shame on you. That is so off the mark for the topic as well as just plain ignorant. Lets see how many best selling books you write after having the lower half of your body turned around to the opposite way, head injuries, and knocking on death's door.

Noel - how about you quit leaching off of King's fame for awhile and report on how bad Obama actually is.....I have worse nightmares over Obama's potential presidency than I do after reading a classic King book. Obama and his wife would be a great basis for a horror novel.

AW

AW,

I'm leaching off King's fame? Really. Why don't you take a peek at Alexa numbers and see whether this story has added to our website's hits?

Let me clue you in: it hasn't. Furthermore, I stopped writing about this issue last Wednesday, and only followed up because of King's silly third explanation attempt. In fact, there were three articles at the Bangor Daily last Thursday about this issue which I chose not to write about because I thought this had run its course, and I wanted to move on to other more pressing matters.

In fact, between articles, open threads, and polls, I wrote more than twenty pieces since last Wednesday about all things NOT King until he chose to offer another lame explanation.

As such, your comment concerning me leaching off him lacks foundation. I'm sorry you feel this way, but sincerely hope your husband comes home safe. ns

With all due respect AW,

With all due respect AW, freedom of speech cuts both ways. He is perfectly free to say what he wishes, and by the same token, we are perfectly free to criticize him for making patently erroneous statements.

Those who wish him to make an apology, do so because he was leaving the impression on young children, that the military was the fateful dead end that awaited their educational failures. In effect, the military was just a last resort for the dreggs of society.

I certainly appreciate the sacrifices of you and your family, and your opinions are definitely welcome, along with the opinions of all the other posters who frequent this site, liberal or conservative.

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

AW -- with the greatest

AW -- with the greatest respect I don't understand why you reponsed to my post, as you ignored everything I wrote. I am one of the guys who honored King's position as a writer of fiction.

And I've never suggested that King can't say what he said. And neither did Noel Sheppard.

I just said it was dumb, factually incorrect -- and incoherent, maybe not in those exact words but you get my drift.

Kudos to you and your family for their generations of military service. Service that King foolishly and unthinkingly denigrated in my opinion, and many others.

I would have thought King had learned the first rule of holes, yet he keeps on digging.

That suggests a huge ego problem. 

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Ryan

Ryan,

I support the troops and read Stephen King, too. So? Does that not give me the right to disagree with him?

Furthermore, do you really believe that because he won a medal, that gives him "better foundation to stand on when making comments related to anything?" Really? Anything? Because he won a medal from the National Book Foundation?

Well, if that's the case, why would you want to discuss anything with anybody who hasn't won such a medal? Hmmm?

BTW, were you aware of what Tom Allen had to say about what King said? Let me enlighten you:

"Tom Allen believes Mr. King used a poor choice of words," said Carol Andrews, communications director for Tom Allen for U.S. Senate.

"Tom Allen fully supports our troops and knows these brave men and women to be capable, self-sacrificing and among the best and brightest."

Was Allen verbally abusing King, or are his opinions unimportant because he hasn't won a medal from the National Book Foundation either?

On the other hand, do you think it's okay for Allen to make such statements because he's a liberal? Which is it -- inquiring minds are dying to know! ns

The medal comment that i

The medal comment that i made is now being taken out of context. I wrote it because I wanted to stress the point that King is in a better place to make comments on literacy in our country because he is such an accomplished writer.

Would you prefer to take golf lessons from me or from Tiger Woods? Tiger (King) is by far more accomplished at golf (writing/literacy), so one would assume that the advice he gives on golf (writing/literacy) is substantially more reliable than those made by the average joes (you and me).

In regards to the Allen comment, it's a free country. He can make any comment he would like. The problem with this is that you agree with Tim Allen's comments and so they are acceptable. But when Stephen King makes comments from another viewpoint and ideaology it is wrong.

Does Tim Allen have more of a right to free speech than King just because you don't like what King is saying?

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taken out of context?

What other context were we supposed to put them in? In the process of defending King's remarks about the military you mentioned his success as a writer, as if being a published author qualified him to know about military recruitment. You *cannot* separate the military angle from the speech about literacy. 

You then compared NBers to a bunch of high schoolers who never accomplish anything and then backtracked into the safety net of "I never called anyone stupid."

Do you want to openly discuss King's remarks or just his success as an author?

 

The remark about the medal,

The remark about the medal, as I have now mentioned repeatedly, was to lay the foundation for my comment that he has more room to speak on the issues than most anyone else.

What is the point of having a blog if there is no debate? 99% of the comments on this one topic all have something to do with bashing Stephen King. That's what I meant by the clique comment. 99% of the comments criticize him and most of them outright make fun of him as if he reads this every day. What's the point of that?

And yes, I would love to discuss his comments about the subject matter and stray away from his success as an author. But the fact is the replies to my first comment appeared to me like piranhas attacking the one issue in the post that could be taken out of context, the medal reference. It seems to me that that little remark made more waves than anything else.

I stand behind King's comment completely. Not just because I am a liberal, but because I have watched first-hand as my generation succombs to the appealing fact that if you join the military, you learn a skill and can have school paid for after or during.

What good is that promise of education to the men and women who have died in the deserts of Iraq and Afghanistan?

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okay Ry

Since your first post began with a personal attack against "high school kids" on NB I didn't realize you were offended by personal attacks.

Let's get down to the nitty gritty.

Here is King's exact quote:

 if you can read, you can walk into a job later on. If you don't, then you've got, the Army, Iraq, I don't know, something like that.

 

As many of us here have mentioned, the Army has a strict standard of education for all applicants. This is our only contention with King's statement. Prove that the Army recruits people who can't read or concede that Mr. King doesn't understand recruiting. It's as simple as that.

Ryan

Ryan,

I think you're badly missing the point. Certainly, King -- who I'm a big fan of!!! -- knows far more about writing than I. I'm not debating that. However, once his remarks at the Library of Congress strayed to the military, he left his area of expertise and tread on those with far greater personal knowledge and stake in the matter.

As such, my criticism has nothing to do with his writing skills or understanding of the importance of literacy in this country. Instead, much like Tom Allen, I believe he used a poor choice of words, and should apologize to those he offended.

This is how adults behave, Ryan. It doesn't matter whether or not he intended to offend anyone, or if we're misconstruing his words. When you offend such a large group of people, even accidentally, you act like an adult and apologize.

If he had done this last Monday rather than offer his pathetic explanation and a call to arms for folks to send me childish e-mail messages, this matter would have been quickly resolved, and we wouldn't still be talking about it eleven days later.

With this in mind, why can't you accept that whether rightly or wrongly there are many Americans that were offended by this, and that King, as a great writer and great American, should just apologize?

Furthermore, why are you castigating me when all I've done is expressed my opinion on his statements and his reaction? Am I not allowed to do so? What about my first amendment rights, Ryan? ns

You have every right to

You have every right to express your own opinion. My problem is with you doing it in a way that encourages your followers to slander a great American writer.

If I offended a large group of people with the words that I said, I would apologize for it. But would it make any difference? If I really believed in the words that I said, would any apology be appropriate? I believe that King has more than adequately addressed this issue.

King was expressing his opinion on the matter. An opinion, like I have said before, that I believe carries more weight than the average person's because of his expertise in the subject matter.

My problem with this issue was when you took up a personal vendetta against the man and encouraged your readers to do the same.

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Ryan

Ryan,

I didn't take up a personal vendetta. Go back to my original piece and show me SPECIFICALLY what I wrote that was vindictive. Please? Pretty please? With sugar on top?

As for encouraging readers to do so, please show me in any of my posts on this subject where I've suggested anyone go to his website or send him e-mail messages. Please? Pretty please? With sugar on top?

In fact, it was KING that started a vendetta by asking his minions to send me e-mail messages. Please prove me wrong on this. Pretty please? With sugar on top? ns

I am sure that you are well

I am sure that you are well aware that your condescending comments are amusing your "minions."

It's comments like these that keep away anyone who hopes to have an honest debate with you.

If you would like to continue this discussion on a more professional level where you are not playing to a crowd, you may email me at: ryandsmith13@yahoo.com ("pretty please, with sugar on top" )

"....never for you. you darkle. you tinct. may I be brutally frank? You Go on. (and on, and on)"

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no you don't

You're not ducking out of here that easily.

You show up on here two weeks after we dropped the subject, call us all immature, invite us to debate it all over again, and then get annoyed when people show up to debate you.

I don't need Noel Sheppard to amuse me. I'm having plenty enough fun watching you grow testy for being asked to explain yourself. This is a "professional level" message board and if you can't take it then you shouldn't have shown up.

Maybe the third time will be a charm...can you prove King's assertion about the Army or not?

Ryan

Ryan,

Fascinating. So, you tell me I've started a vendetta against King, I ask you to prove it, and you call that condescending and take your ball home?

You came here asking to debate this issue. I and others have expeditiously obliged you. Sorry you find requests to prove your assertions unprofessional. Have a nice day. ns

wow Noel

That was an exercise in futility. He abandoned his own doing after ten posts!

Candance

Candance,

And with that, our new member, after promptly receiving the discussion he asked for, checked my blog, looked back at our comments, took a peek at my bio page, and apparently left the building.

I guess in his world, he's the only one that gets to ask questions. Interesting isn't it? ns

sad

If that's the best defender Stephen King can come up with, I pity his fandom.

Talk about minions.

Noel - the most Ironic part

is he now wants to continue with you via email. Isn't that back where you started? Some people are never satisfied no matter what you do.

Dee

Dee,

It's a smokescreen. He wasn't interested in a discussion. This article is two days old and WELL off the front page. I think he came to make a point, and didn't expect any responses. Once several people engaged him, and did so with candor, he knew he was outmatched, and ran for cover using the "if you want me, you know where to get me" defense. This way he feels he's retreated with honor, and if I don't follow him to his inbox, the victory is his.

It's amazing what folks will do to protect their egos, isn't it? ns

Master Noel, when will you

Master Noel, when will you next amuse your minions with more condescending wit? Do not tarry, we await with baited breath.

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

ROFL Jerry

Come, let's find a passerby and throw them to Master Noel's mercy!

Darn,

That's the end?

In the immortal words of Dr. Peter Venkman:

"I am going to miss him."

Missed the Fun

I can't believe I missed all the fun.  I hope Ryan comes back, he had spunk, just like my 90 year old grandmother.

Uh, Ry my lad,

It's comments like these that keep away anyone who hopes to have an honest debate with you.

Have you spent anytime at all reading the comment sections below the articles that Noel has posted here at NB?

If you do, you will notice that he consistently gets some of the highest numbers of comments than any other contributers on this site.

There is a reason for that, and it isn't because he shies away from honest debate.

Legalize Freedom-Vote Libertarian

RD

RD,

Is it my handsome picture? :-) ns

Noel,

LOL-Actually, I was going to attribute it to your magnetic personality, but hey, you may be on to to something there. :-)

Too bad Ry bailed. I was so looking forward to his first "Blonde encounter."

Fun, that was going to be.

Legalize Freedom-Vote Libertarian

RD

RD,

That wasn't going to be pretty. :-) ns

well RD

I just swung by the message boards on King's website and they're still lit up about this whole thing. While we've all moved onto something else, they're busily forming rants to defend King's assertion.

Noel should be tickled at all of this - it's the most excitement those folks have seen in ages! He needs to start asking them to stop piggybacking off NB's success.

cd,

...it's the most excitement those folks have seen in ages!

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. It is not as if King has been popping up all over the media in recent years, tabloid or otherwise.

I think Ry boy was dispatched last week to come in here and stir the puddin' a little, just to keep it all going. I mean, he went right after Noel straight out of the box. Kinda obvious, that was.

You know, after what has happened to Tim Robbins, Danny Glover, Rosie O, and the rest of the celebs who have gone after this country and its military, you would assume they would think twice before doing so.

Sometimes you really have to wonder where these people spend all their time.

A closet, perhaps?

 

Sorry, that doesn't cut it

"A man who won a Medal for Distinguished Contribution to American
Letters from the National Book Foundation has better foundation to
stand on when making comments related to anything.
"

Sorry, that doesn't cut it. A singe veteran like myself has far more experience and knowledge of the military and what is expected and required from the troops in regards to education and intelligence than a thousand Kings receiving a million awards can ever hope to accomplish in several lifetimes of writing books. This hands-on experience gives us veterans a much greater foundation than you, King, or any of his supporters. King insulted our men and women of the military when he inferred that people who sever in the military are somehow less intelligent than those who don't.

There's no excusing that blatant disrespect for our military and no amount of awards received by King is going to lessen the effect of that slanderous and ill-conceived sentiment.

well Cobra

Don't expect much of a response. For all of his pomp and circumstance about wanting to debate, he split as soon as the hammer came down.

Not a problem, candance

I don’t really expect a response, but I do know that he, or other Kingg supporters like him, will read that response and I hope that they learn to never try the “he’s smarter than you and has the awards to prove it” argument again. It’s obvious that they’re just trying to stifle debate by belittling the intelligence of NB and its members. That's just as insulting as what King said, and just as wrong. It also doesn’t work as a debating tactic as it reveals just how weak their position really is. You would think that the “smart” people would figure that out, but they never do. I guess they’re not as smart as they think they are.