Military Members Respond to Horror Author's Illiteracy in the Army Comment

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Horror author Stephen King's comments regarding illiteracy and the military have drawn criticism from the United States Army according to a report by CBS-TV affiliate in Washington, DC, WUSA channel 9.

As NewsBusters reported Monday, King recently told a group of high school students at the Library of Congress, "If you don't [read], then you've got, the Army, Iraq, I don't know, something like that."

According to WUSA, Paul Boyce of Army Public Affairs issued the following statement (video embedded right):

America's soldiers are proudly serving and fighting for us all. We can be proud of our Soldiers' selfless service, their skill and their ingenuity. They certainly are role models for every high-school student in America considering a noble career...and many book authors.

As the report continued, other members of the military voiced their displeasure with King's comments, including one of his neighbors, a Sgt. Seavey (sp) who has a law degree:

There have been 23 men and women from the state of Maine killed in Iraq, and I would be willing to bet a good portion of those had read Stephen King books.

Other active members of the military were interviewed to address their disgust including a Marine still in college who claimed:

He's totally wrong. Top of my class and I still ended up in the military because I thought it was the right thing to do.

Are you listening, Stephen?

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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Actually

I doubt that he is...listening that is. I think he is so bent in his beliefs that nothing will dissuade him. After all he has kerry, belzer, et al on his side.

I actually don't think King

I actually don't think King meant to insult the troops. He made a mistake of trotting out an outdated draft-era notion about the military to prove a totally different point. But he compounded his error by lashing out at those who pointed out his mistake. Now it's a "thing" in the media, and he's not looking very good, or smart.

And he seemingly confused the outdated notion, too. I don't think the military has ever made a practice of drafting illiterate people, have they? I always thought it was more if you flunked out of high school / college, then you had to report to the local recruiting office.

Hate to agree

I hate to agree with Balboa but I think he nailed it. Stephen needs to come out and publicly state what he meant. If he messed up then he should be man enough to admit it so that we could all just move on. He's lashing out like an 8 year old instead of acting like a grown up. How much you want to bet he writes a story based on this experience?

-Fogman55

No, how much you want to

No, how much you want to bet he writes an(other) autobiography, with at least one long chapter dedicated to detailing this experience right down to the socks he was wearing at the time?

 

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Grizzly Bear '08

Maybe it's a trick...

This almost seems too-stupid at this point, so it's starting to smell like a trick. If it's a trick and Steven was trolling for outrage, then we've probably been doing a lot of writing for him, in which case this has been a truly a Scott Adams-esque hack. (Adams uses his own readers' experience with their own bosses as a continual font of ideas for 'Dilbert' strips.) If I'm helping write King's next stupid book, I at least want credit, and some money & maybe a signed first edition or three might be nice, too! :)

OTOH, closing down his own message board points away from 'smart Dilbert-esque hack to get free writing' and towards 'stupid/disrespectful statement.' But maybe his lawyers advised him to do the stunt that way, for some reason?

Still, any work with a paycheck in the US military -- even in a time of war -- would be a dream job for most illiterates. And you'd think any literate author would know something as obvious as that. In which case, it's a trick, along with a stupid thing to say. Steven, if you're reading and you think this was a trick instead of just stupid, you could have gotten NB into a snit without also insulting those serving in the military, so it's a dud either way.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Still, any work with a


Still, any work with a paycheck in the US military -- even in a time of war -- would be a dream job for most illiterates.
sarcasmo

I'm going to assume you meant that someone illiterate would consider himself lucky to make it into the army. Otherwise, I'd have to think you were implying that the army makes a habit of enlisting illiterates.

I assume they couldn't make it in the first place

Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Glad you clarified. ;-)

Glad you clarified. ;-)

Stephen needs to come out

Stephen needs to come out and publicly state what he meant. -alienfog55

No, he doesn't. We know what he meant; he said what he meant. You don't read, you've got, I don't know, the army...Iraq....

What do you think he really meant?

And where is John Kerry?

I'm surprised he hasn't come to his rescue...NOT!

Yeah, where is he? Am I

Yeah, where is he? Am I the only one who feels like he dropped off the face of the planet recently?

www.rhjunior.com Great comics with a hefty dose of Christian and anti-nutjob goodness.

"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." -Miyamoto Musashi

Cort

Kerry is working for Obama right now. He was the one who made that statement about Operation Chaos this morning.

Reduced to irrelevant

Reduced to irrelevant commentary from the sidelines. Ouch. Of course, it's mostly just a change of position, not substance.

www.rhjunior.com Great comics with a hefty dose of Christian and anti-nutjob goodness.

"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." -Miyamoto Musashi

balboa - few mean to insult the troops

they do it because of their ignorance. They automatically assume that war (defensive or not) is caused by ignorance and that there is no evil in the world.

Liberals still cling to education as the answer to violence even knowing that many of the Sept 11th terrorists and other members of Al Quadea had western college degrees.

Right on Dee

I agree totally, you nailed it.

Although I would add that they would never consider a military career and assume no one else would unless they either had to, or I guess in John Kerry's case, figured it would be a great way to get into politics.  (Bring a camera!!)

Glad to see your last note

I have been perplexed ever since reading about his 8mm - I wondered why anyone would bring a camera to Vietnam...guess he had it all planned out from day 1!!!

bal, the DRAFT ended in 1973...

1973

In 1973, the draft ended and the U.S. converted to an All-Volunteer
military.

The registration requirement was suspended in April 1975. It
was resumed again in 1980 by President Carter in response to the Soviet invasion
of Afghanistan.

More views into the liberal mind, geesh!

 

The POPE says, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

IranianUranium<sleep>New/Infrastructure/repair?/ROFLMAO

 

The draft is a stupid idea generally

The idea that guys like Rangel spout about a draft being the great equilizer has got to be false.  

I mean what makes anyone think a random drawing would someone miss the poor and stupid and somehow target the rich and "smart" people?

The draft ended 35 years

The draft ended 35 years ago, not 5. To suggest that he was going that far back is absurd. For him to try to use that as an excuse would make him look like an even bigger idiot.

He stepped in it, pure and simple. He should just come out and say "I was stupid and wrong to imply that our soldiers are illiterate, and I apologize to all of them."

But he won't because now his ego is involved.

Edit: Upcountry....GMTA...we were posting at the same time!

 

I'm not saying he was going

I'm not saying he was going that far back. I'm saying he jumbled up that fact from 35 years ago as still being current, almost when you take a cliche and screw it up such as "He's thinking outside the crate."

He stepped in it for sure, and he should apologize.

You're giving him too much

You're giving him too much credit.

 

At war

Agreed, mostly. I doubt King set out to make a deliberate statement about the war or the troops. More than likely, his mouth ran away with his brain while he was trying to promote the idea that reading is a skill that's essential to getting ahead.

But I think that's the point Noel was trying to make. We're at war. Sadly, I think most people have forgotten that, and King is just the latest example. The war is in the background, and all we ever hear about is the cackling of liberals who use it as just another political talking point to hammer Bush.

Meanwhile, real life men and women are doing terrific work over there, under tremendous stress. Petraeus' counterinsurgency strategy requires great skill, from the lowest rank to the highest. Petraeus' strategy is to build credibility, and we can't display disrespect for the Iraqis at any level (i.e., we can't afford an Abu Ghraib). Petraeus' strategy depends on every soldier doing their part, and working honorably with the local population.

Having bent over backwards to maintain respect for the local Iraqis (many of whom were shooting at them not long ago), why should those troops, who have performed so well, have to tolerate the self-serving insults of this jerk? His remarks were careless, and that's the scary part. Liberals may have forgotten it, but we are at war.

More than likely, his mouth

More than likely, his mouth ran away with his brain while he was trying
to promote the idea that reading is a skill that's essential to getting
ahead.

I disagree, KC. Even if he didn't mean it, it shows that subconsciously, when he thinks "army" he thinks "uneducated."

I know you said at the end that our soldiers shouldn't have to put up with garbage like this, but I still think you're letting him off easy at the beginning. The connection was too easy...too glib. It's ingrained.

If he were smart, he would just apologize and get it over with. Instead, he tries to turn it into a game of schoolyard taunts.

Very mature. 

i think a lot of people who

i think a lot of people who are against the war yet basically good people are 'out of touch' when it comes to the things they state about the military, and they simply don't realize how badly they come off.

 

It reminds me of when someone would say something bad about Jews 'yes, but some of my best friends are Jewish,' as if that statement negates what they said.

I don't think the military

I don't think the military has ever made a practice of drafting illiterate people, have they? I always thought it was more if you flunked out of high school / college, then you had to report to the local recruiting office.

No bal, not. You recived your draft notice in the mail, if...IF your grades in Collage were high enough, you could get a deferment. 18 was the draft age, not before. If you were did not graduate HS at 18, well...nuff said there. If you did not GT score was not high enough, you were regulated to the Duty Soldier MOS. That means you never went to a combat zone, and pulled details around the base...picking up trash, police calls, cutting grass, ect. ect. ect. A GT score of 60 or under and thats where you did your 2 years.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Balboa writes: "I actually

Balboa writes: "I actually don't think King meant to insult the troops."

Let's look at exactly what King said: "If you don't [read], then you've got, the Army, Iraq, I don't know, something like that."

Now, it seems very clear to me that King believes that people who are illiterate are destined for no more than the military.  I.E. - the military is the last resort for failures.  There is no other place for them to go, so that means it is the "bottom of the barrel". 

Further, he tosses in the inocuous "something like that", as if the military can be equated with some other low-wage job of insignificance or unreasonable peril. 

All of this, in no uncertain terms, is an insult.  To King, the people who cannot learn to read and write ONLY have the option to join the military.  King may not have set out that day to intentionally insult the troops but a man who reduces any part of the military's incoming recruits to this has disdain and a preconceived notion that displays just how out of touch he is.  My suggestion is that he should shut his jibs about any and everything military as he himself would have great difficulty passing the pee test at a MEPS station.

King's not listening. . .

In my experience, when someone feels like they're "under attack" they're not likely to consider what's being said about them. Even if it's to point out valid facts that have been ignored or overlooked by the one being criticized.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

People like Stephen King have no clue

what's involved in a military career and the motivation for joining. Early on in life he decided he wanted to sit on his ass all day and write cheesy monster stories for a living. If he spent some of his time in the real world he might realize that one of the greatest benefits of military service is the opportunity to get an education. I got the equivalent of a BA in electronics engineering, the chance for after hours education at a local college, extension courses while I was in Vietnam, and of course the opportunity to use the GI bill to further my education when I got out. Coming from a low income family and with mediocre grades I would never have had that chance without military service and the opportunities it offered.

I'm not knocking Kings basic premise. The ability to read improves ones opportunities in any endeavor, including the military. However, to intimate that somehow military members are somehow less literate than the general population is both untrue and odious.

    

 

Yes, while King has been

Yes, while King has been creating imaginary monsters for the past thirty years, I  have freinds who have been fighting them for the past seven.

They have names like Khalid Shiek Mohamad, Galib Andang, Isnilon Hapilon, Khadaffy Janjalani, etc....

?

Is that a photo of King or one of the characters from his horror novels?

King can't hear the truth

King can't hear the truth over all the dee dee dee he keeps spewing.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

King

I really don't care about King or Kerry or any others who believe those in the military are there because they can't do anything else -- I could give them a thousand reasons from personal experience why they are wrong -- but I can't stop looking at your photo of King. Doesn't his upper lip and the whole mouth area look like it came from a chimp?

Best in the World

Again, I go back to our military being the best in the world and I'm tired of these self-righteous morons that think our military are stupid buffoons that can’t make choices for themselves.  How about you go to Iraq and serve our country and see you actually are not the smartest person in the world.  I bet he wouldn’t last 5 minutes!  Thank you members of our armed forces for all you do!

He wasn't on my radar

He wasn't on my radar before this.  I don't read his genre, so I had nothing to like or dislike.

Now I do. 

come on guys...

What do you expect from someone too dumb to get out of the street so as not to get hit by a car? Reminds me of that STNG episode where the aliens kept saying "Make me smart." I guess he forgot to take his smart pills that day... and the day he made the crack about the military.

I'm proud to say I was one of those dumb, 'illiterate' guys. When I was 18 I was working on million dollar communications systems. At 22 I was working on multimillion dollar satellite earth stations. The Air Force had not figured out at the time how to make buttons like McD's where they put little hamburgers etc. on the keys, so we had to be able to read to do the job.

As my hero Bugs said: "What a maroon."

More to His Point - He was Wrong

The point he thought he was making is that without being able to read you have limited job opportunities....  I guess he thought there wasn't a requirement that Military members be able to read to join today's Forces. 

Much to his ignorance, if he knew anything about the basic requirements for enlistment, he'd know that illiteracy is a disqualifiy factor. 

So while being unable to read may make it possible for someone to be a Liberal, it doesn't mean they can join the Army or any other Service of our Armed Forces.

Whoa!

I hate to make personal attacks based on looks....but where did you guys get that picture of Stephen?  Does anyone else think he looks like the doctor monkey in planet of the apes?

 :HestonVoice: Get Your Paws Off My Millitary You Damn Dirty Author!!! :HestonVoice:

 

:-P

Photo of Steven King

He looks like a prettier Janet Reno in that photo

HahA!

That too!!! :-D :-P

It is easy to fall into the

It is easy to fall into the trap of under- or over-estimating the person of interest.

King is an educated man with intact mental faculties.  He also does not live in a vacuum or on Mars.  King is aware of current events.  He has a website, friends and associates he socializes with, and has money and/or opportunity to hear, view or read the news on a frequent basis.  He also has weaknesses in his character/psyche as do we all.

Since we are all speculating, these are my thoughts:

  1. King knows the Military is volunteer and literate.  He knows it is not the same as Vietnam days.

  2. He knew his audience - young adults/teens. 

  3. He wanted to connect with the audience and be accepted by them, so he used the trite reference about illiteracy and the military.  Note in the video that not all the audience cheered, but most did.  Good speakers find ways to connect with their audiences so that the message is accepted and considered more easily.  A proper speaker, though, does it without cheap shots and false/inflammatory rhetoric.

  4. It was quite possibly an off the cuff, unplanned remark.  I would find it highly unlikely King was not aware that John Kerry had used the same infamous remark.  In fact, knowing Kerry had used it previously helped to bring those words into King's consciousness at the spur of the moment.

  5. It may be that King planned to use those words all along if the moment presented itself.  As the derivative shock writer he has become, so too did he "borrow" Kerry's words and used them for the shock value they would bring.

  6. King may have meant only that illiteracy leaves fewer opportunities for the individual.  But his choice of words betrays deeper issues such as his true feelings about the military, US geopolitical affairs, insecurities about acceptance by others, inability to filter thoughts deemed innapropriate in public setting, etc.

  7. This was not some grand scheme to lure in Conservatives like Noel in order to build publicity or chart a new novel.  He stands to loose a sizable number of paying customers in the Pro-Military and Conservative populations.  Then again, he's had so much smoke blown up his chute for so long concerning his work that he just may feel he is aristocratic enough as to not need "those kind of people".

IMO, King was pandering to the children of the corn in his audience and it backfired on him.  His own delusions of grandeur led him to the ridiculous "e-mail Noel" scheme which also backfired.  Now King is getting blowback from fans, some who are in the military, and the Army itself.  Being the pantywaist he truly is, he closes his website to comments and goes underground.

King is precisely the kind of guy you don't want watching your six when things go sideways. 

RRAM Tough! 

Stratman...even in the

Stratman...even in the "Vietnam days", soldiers had to be able to read and write. You still had to pass the same tests you take today. Not everyone that recived a draft notice was drafted.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Thanks for clarifying that

Thanks for clarifying that Bass.

The statement was there for the King-Vietnam Era apologists in the thread.  It was not for informed folks as yourself.

My mistake for not being clearer in my meaning.

RRAM Tough! 

Strat,

Quote: Now King is getting blowback from fans, some who are in the military,
and the Army itself. Being the pantywaist he truly is, he closes his
website to comments and goes underground
.

Good insight here. This is a common occurrence on just about every fan-forum devoted to escapist entertainment.

It doesn't matter if it's sci-fi/fantasy novels, movies, comics, etc, it doesn't matter. When the subject gets off the fictional fandom and onto real-world matters, the reality itself is too much to handle for those who embrace escapism. . .especially within the leadership.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

I know exactly what you

I know exactly what you mean Tracheostomy.  Once I strayed into a discussion of real world history on a Lost TV show forum and was promptly dressed down.  The message from several posters was "Do not stray from the subjects and purpose of the forum".

Come to think of it, what started it all was my tagline which said something to the effect, "Thank a teacher if you can read this.  Thank a soldier if you read this in English."  One self-proclaimed college educated woman disagreed that the Axis enemies of WWII could or would try to invade the USA, then took offense when I documented the plans made and the actual operations attempted by both the Nazis and the Japanese for the invasion of the USA.  This drew several other comments, all negative, about the (well documented) historical facts of my post.  

Never in my dreams did I think that specific tagline would be that divisive.  Since finding Newsbusters, I understand better how elements in our society remain deaf, dumb and blind to history and current events.

I learned to not mix fantasy with too much reality on internet forums.  I also learned there are more school educated idiots than I thought previously.

I wonder if that ignorant woman from the Lost forum is a Stephen King fan?  I'd bet my paycheck she's a Liberal.

RRAM Tough! 

Strat,

S: I know exactly what you mean Tracheostomy. Once I strayed into a discussion of real world history on a Lost TV
show forum and was promptly dressed down. The message from several
posters was "Do not stray from the subjects and purpose of the forum"
.

Exactly!!! That's an awesome example. You wouldn't believe how many times I've seen something like that.

It doesn't matter if the TV show, movie, or book refers to real-world events ever.

It doesn't matter if the writers make social commentaries through their fictional medium either. They just want you to keep buying their product, shut up, and attend the convention this summer.

S: Never in my dreams did I think that specific tagline would be that
divisive. Since finding Newsbusters, I understand better how elements
in our society remain deaf, dumb and blind to history and current
events
.

I think it's willful for the most part, and deeply rooted in fear. IMO, the fan culture (fanboys, otaku, geekdom, etc.), of which I am a recovering member of, is interested in nothing but hiding beneath their entertainment form. Kind of like hardcore sports fans.

S: I learned to not mix fantasy with too much reality on internet forums.
I also learned there are more school educated idiots than I thought
previously
.

Think about that! Considering everyone I know with a college degree, their education isn't slanted toward anything real-world. It's almost as if you can get a degree in pretty much anything you want now just so you can call yourself, "educated."

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

As an old fangirl myself, I

As an old fangirl myself, I know what happens whenever people start to go off-topic.  It would be one thing if people were able to discuss things rationally without blowing up at each other and causing all kinds of mayhem.  But this is the internet!  I've been in YahooGroups and on message boards where some liberal or leftist starts going off-topic into politics.  (Note:  it's rare that a conservative or libertarian will do this first.)  If you argue back at all, KA-BOOM! 

I'll be honest.  When I come here or to FreeRepublic or any other conservative site, I come to yak up politics without worry somebody is going to ban me or harass me for letting my colors show, so to speak.  When I visit a t.v., movie, or other entertainment-related site, I'd rather talk about the fluff.  Politics don't have to invade every aspect of life. 

What happened at the King board wasn't so much fans who couldn't deal with reality as it was a celebrity not wanting dissent in his kingdom, even if it is for good reason.

totally understand

I belong to an online writers' group and it's the same story there too. Some lefty will make a comment about their views, followed by several people saying "here here" until one conservative pops in with a different POV. All the sudden the thread has then become an argument and the conservative is demonized for being a conservative.

That even happens on some Christian sites I visit.

I honestly think that all the conservatives left are on NB or TownHall.

 

"King is precisely the kind

"King is precisely the kind of guy you don't want watching your six when things go sideways."

Pretty much tells it all. Even if you have been in basic training during "peace time" (cold war)... My whole family has served (6 men and 1 woman). People like King have no clue what serving your country really is. He thinks serving your country is speaking out against it. He is too dumb to realize that you can't speak out unless someone else has paid a price to allow you to do so. Pathetic people some of these elites are.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Stephen King

Stephen King is a small man
Petty and ignorant

Ignorance is the condition of being uninformed or uneducated, lacking knowledge or information

Stephen King

Stephen King is a small man
Petty and ignorant

Ignorance is the condition of being uninformed or uneducated, lacking knowledge or information

Stephen King

Stephen King is a small man
Petty and ignorant

Ignorance is the condition of being uninformed or uneducated, lacking knowledge or information

I think Fred Barnes was

I think Fred Barnes was being kind of tongue in cheek last night in talking about the definition of the "working class" but at least I appreciate stupid people saying, "yeah, I said it and that's what I meant".

I wish Stephen King would just say that he looks down upon people who are in the military and he thinks they are in the military because they are not intellectually incapable of being in a more lucrative field.  Fine, that's his opinion.  He is an elitist idiot.  (That's my opinion).  But at least be honest.  He doesn't support the troops.  Be honest about it. 

 

More than the Military

It wasn't just the military he was slandering. He was also slandering anyone who attended a public school. My bet is that he HATED school and that hatred carries over into his private life.

Look at his response to our objections:
"I don’t support either the war or educational policies that limit the options of young men and women to any one career—military or otherwise."

He's basically saying that anyone who is educated here in America is too stupid to find a good career or are able to switch careers any time they wish!

Hay King, lots of high school grads become successful here in America. Not everyone NEEDS a college education in order succeed and prosper.

I think this view is very

I think this view is very common in the liberal elite "intelligensia" - those liberals who went to college in the Vietnam era and still, in the back of their minds, think it's still the Sixties. I've heard my liberal brother say much the same thing - right before I unloaded on him. My brother thinks he's being sympathetic to "the poor under-educated boys" who join the military. He just doesn't get it. Personally, I think there's a lot of guilt left over in the people who, for whatever reason, didn't go to Vietnam with the rest of their generation.

You know, when I see that

picture, it looks like the "Grinch" without the green make up, and wearing glasses.  What do you think?  

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Another elitist?

Why is this such a surprise, another Northeast Liberal Elite?  My guess is that, were you to go to Hollywood, San Francisco, and just about anywhere in the Northeast, you would find this same attitude. Wherever liberals gather, elitism can't be too far behind.

Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.

Stephen King diminished the

Stephen King diminished the men and women who many of us consider to be representative of our very best citizens. I cannot wait for our current war to wind down so that our GI’s can come home to assume leadership roles. We need them.

→ Janet Reno

Here's an article about Stephen King, and you post a picture of Janet Reno.

♣ a seal

TAKE THAT BACK !!!

Ms Reno would crush him in any beauty contest. (shivers)

Cross eyed, snaggle toothed pseudo-intelectual leech.

If that's a character in his next literary poo pile, I want recognition.

»→ The shutupNS blog

The guys over at shutupnoelsheppard.com aren't very good at debate.

Something like the "You can't argue for free" skit from Monty Python.

♣ a seal

Why did all of our comments to the King guy get deleted?

Does anyone know?

»→ Don't know DEE

Mine are still there, but I just posted today.

♣ a seal

Cool - I mean on Newsbusters

The guy who came here and posted and said he was "blocked". A few of us responded and the whole thing is gone now.

»→ Also Don't know DEE

They seem to be a friendly enough lot.  I didn't have a problem trading comments with Rabid Kingfan.

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Lame spinning

You know what I don't get about this controversy?  King is a writer.  He should be skilled at communicating exactly what he means, clear and concisely. His original statement was as clear as a bell.  There could be no doubt what he meant.  And yet he's trying to foist an incredibly lame spin on us regarding what he "really meant".

The lib spin on free speech seems to be as follows:  "I can say whatever I want.  If you dare to criticize me for it, you're trying to deny me my right to free speech.  So shut up."

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

»→ viking

All he did was paraphrase John Kerry.  What did he expect?

Did he not realize doing the same thing somebody else does and expecting different results is also within the definition of insanity.

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Trying this again - post from Shasta

H

i everyone! After waiting 3 days a Stephen King fan was finally approved to leave comments - ME! So here is what I have to say:

If anyone would like to join the Stephen King supporters for a REAL discussion please join us at shutupnoelsheppard.com. You don't have to sign up there so no one will be denied for their beliefs. And by a "real discussion"
I mean let's discuss the issue. Let's not discuss how someone looks
(that just doesn't make sense! I mean, Noel looks just like a weasel
but does that have anything to do with how he writes? NO!!!) or how
someone spells (that's just arrogant and silly. Plus, someone on this
board spelled college "collage"! I mean, we have plenty of ammo if we
want to attack spelling!). So anyway, we welcome you over there.
We would have been happy to have the discussion here but we were all
blocked. Free speech and open discussion is the happening thing at our
site.

I am very saddened

I am very saddened that NB is using the most despicable methods to suppress any form of discussion. Deleting this post was just plan childish. It is obvious to me that the discussions must remain in the vein of patting each other on the back.

I just want to point out that the supposed purpose of this web site is to expose media bias. Less and less of that is happening, and more and more you are just bashing anyone that you disagree with. Return to your roots. This site, as it exists now, has become nothing.

Despicable methods? Pretty dramatic Kenro

I don't like that the posts were deleted and think it was wrong. They should explain when they do something like that because it makes them look really bad. Many people saw that and there were 5 or 6 of us who responded that were deleted.

I would guess that they were deleted because of the plug to the hateful website name, but I don't know. If it wasn't that, it was because they thought the rest of us were to hard on Shasta.

I agree it's bad and am especially mad because I was defending Newsbusters as not trying to sensor them. I still don't believe they were trying to do that but sloppy moderating has made them look like they are. It's not "despicable" it's sloppy. If posts are deleted there should be an explanation and offensive words etc should be edited out with an explanation rather than deleting the whole post

Hateul is as hateful does

Is laughing because someone almost died after being hit by a car not far more offensive? And yet, last I checked, that post was still there. Great moderating. The name comes from Stephen King; agree or disagree with his call to arms, it is what it is.

Kenro - it's the shameless advertising of the site

that is the difference. Like I said, I know they don't have a problem with people giving opposing views and that one certainly didn't have anything to say that wasn't easily shot down by everyone.

So it was most likely deleted because they didn't like the way we responded or because of advertising a site with a hateful name. They don't want to support the hateful site and they shouldn't have to. Newsbusters is not here to give free advertising to Liberal sites. Period.

I'm guessing based on logic - I really wish they would explain

they have explained from time to time...

this is a private web site - soooooooooo...

the ownership can delete whatever the hell they want to - I get deleted all the time

if this kenro dude will simply read the very top of any NB page (assuming he went to "collage" and can "reed" of course ) this site is about exposing and combatting liberal media bias - it's not a web site promoting the concept of total and complete free speech - for example the admins frequently delete swearing, derogatory names such as "n*gger" and anything else they personally deem in-appropriate

I have never seen a polite and rational left-tard posts (meaning without the usual swearing, name-calling, or other crude language) ever deleted here - and I've been here pretty much every day since day one - if anyone has seen this just let me know - it will be duly noted

Sticks and stones

I do not disagree that this is a private web site and they can delete whatever they want to. However, this site survives only while the people on it trust it. I no longer do. This web site is supposed to be about media bias. Last I checked, Stephen King is a writer of fiction. How is what he says evidence of media bias, when he is not a member of the media?

I have said my peace, and will darken your doorway no longer. Farewell.

KENRO!

Do you have a reason for why King said what he did about the military?

If is smells like

Yes, there may be another reasonable explanation. Certainly they could have yanked the web site name and crafted the explanation. But they didn't, and as they say 'if it looks like ... and smells like ... it is ...'

and I meant censor not sensor

and I meant censor not sensor

Puleese kenro....Lets not

Puleese kenro....Lets not go there. Just post one critical coment if you can find the site. After all..."shutupnoelsheppard.com"? Get real....

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

bassndude, kerno is a bit confused....

He/she thinking that "preview comment" is the same as "post comment"

To bad he/she wasn't here in the early days,... a comment would get deleted before one could preview it... it's it's a conspiracy!

The POPE says, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

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