The saga of horror novelist Stephen King's disgraceful comments about America's military took an interesting turn Monday when shortly after instructing visitors to his website to send me a message stating "Hi, Noel—Stephen King says to shut up and I agree," his own message boards were shut down.
This followed the creation of a number of threads by members that wanted to comment about King's remarks.
The cover-story for shutting down the boards came from the Moderator in a thread entitled "Stephen King Insults Soldiers":
The Board is just about to be shut down for the week for my vacation so this will all be coming to an end for now anyway.
Isn't that convenient, especially since just three hours before, a new member started this thread with the following:
New MemberJoin Date: May 2008Posts: 1Steven King Insults Soldiers
King Quote:
"...the fact is if you can read, you can walk into a job later on. If you don't, then you've got, the Army, Iraq"
Ummm... somebody want to tell Steven that studies show recruits are more educated than the equivalent general population?
See this link: http://www.heritage.org/Research/Nat...da05-08_t1.gif
On a personal note:
Hey Steven: I'm about to graduate with a Civil engineering degree, and I just enlisted, but hey - since you think I can't read, I guess I won't be reading YOUR books.
Don't disrespect the military. It is US who gives you the freedom to spew your garbage.
Roughly an hour later, the Moderator posted the following:
Steve asked me to post this reply:
"That a right-wing-blog would impugn my patriotism because I said children should learn to read, and could get better jobs by doing so, is beneath contempt. Noel Sheppard says, “Nice sentiment when the nation is at war, Stephen.” I guess he feels ignorance and illiteracy are OK when the country needs cannon-fodder. I guess he also feels that the war in Iraq has nationwide approval. Well, it doesn’t have mine. It is a waste of national resources. . . and that includes the youth and blood of the 4,000 American troops who have lost their lives there and for the tens of thousands who have been wounded. I live in a national guard town, and I support our troops, but I don’t support either the war or educational policies that limit the options of young men and women to any one career—military or otherwise. If you agree, find Sheppard on the internet, and send him an email: “Hi, Noel—Stephen King says to shut up and I agree.”
Steve"__________________
Last edited by Moderator : 17 Hours Ago at 04:21 PM.
Now, assuming Ms. Mod was indeed going on vacation, and the message boards are closed during such, wouldn't it have been more appropriate for King to wait until she came back BEFORE sending his dogs out to attack me?
Regardless, on a related ironic note, one of the "older" members of King's website started his own thread concerning this subject before the boards were closed. See if you spot something hysterical given the context of King's comments that sparked this entire controversy:
MembersJoin Date: Feb 2007Location: Parachute, ColoradoPosts: 545From a former solider to Stephen King--Vets, come post your support
I'm sorry if this thread seems self serving, its really to offer my support.
Even if you don't agree, you must agree with the fact that we all joined the military to preserve the thing that makes a free society unique.
That is the right to speak your mind--have your opinions.
The only thing that angers me about this whole thing is how reactionary people are. Is it a surprise that we can't get along as a country when something like this can be so polarizing? Not to me.
Stephen King has a right to his opinion, just like you do.
Think our country is going to hell in a hand basket? Good for you, I fought for your right to think that.
Think the war in Iraq is wrong? Good for you, I fought for the right for you to say that where ever and however you feel.
Have strong opinions on why people join the military. Good, in this country you can voice them.
Lets stop taking this so personally you guys--we live in a free society and we all want the same thing for it. To preserve it.
So from me to you SK--you go right on saying what you feel, that's what we all fought for.
You really can't make this stuff up.
*****Update: A Stephen King fan e-mailed me the following:
Ms. Mod's vacation has been planned for quite some time now, and the board is routinely shut down on her vacation days and weekends because it is a fully moderated forum, an idea you might consider trying yourself in order to keep some of your readers from spewing forth such senseless drivel. If you'd take the time to check your facts, you would see there is no conspiracy to shut down the board over your little vendetta against Stephen. But, that wouldn't be quite as interesting, would it?
I guess this person conveniently missed this paragraph above:
Now, assuming Ms. Mod was indeed going on vacation, and the message boards are closed during such, wouldn't it have been more appropriate for King to wait until she came back BEFORE sending his dogs out to attack me?
As such, I did make it clear that this vacation might have been the real cause of the boards going down. However, if her pending vacation was known, and it is customary to close down the message boards when she's gone, then King shouldn't have posted a call-to-arms at his website until she returned.
Once again, that would have been the decent thing to do in my opinion.
*****Update II: I received this e-mail moments ago (with permission:
Dear Mr. King,
Since there is no way to contact you directly, I am reduced to emailing your webmaster.
Your comment concerning literacy and the military is one of the most ignorant, misinformed comments I have ever heard about the men in women in uniform. It is those brave soldiers, sailors and airmen who protect the right of people like you to make such idiotic statements.
As a former member of the U. S. Army Special Forces, I also take it as a personal affront. I served shoulder to shoulder with men who could read, write and speak multiple languages. And, that doesn't even take into consideration the technical requirements needed in the modern military.
The average person in the military today is at least as educated as the general public. Most likely they are more educated. Literacy is required by the military. It is not optional.
It is persons like you and the Hollywood elites on the left who are the uninformed and closed minded. But, that's ok. The next time you feel like showing your ignorance to the world be sure to end your statement by thanking those in the military for protecting the Constitution that gives you're the right to make such moronic statements.
Father Dennis O'Brian wrote the following:
It is the soldier, not the reporter,
who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet,
who has given us freedom of speech.It is the soldier, not the campus organizer,
who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier, not the lawyer,
who has given us the right to a fair trial.It is the soldier
who salutes the flag,
who serves under the flag,
and whose coffin is draped by the flag,
who allows the protester to burn the flag.He was a Marine. I would think you would agree he is fairly literate. But I don't hold out hope.
By the way. There was a tragic storm that hit the country of Myanmar. It will be our illiterate military who will respond first, not you or your elitist friends.
*****Update III: A King fan has asked me to post this:
I didn't want to go to the trouble of registering on your site just so I could make a comment, so I thought I would e mail you instead. I think that you have made a mountain out of a molehill regarding Stephen's comments about the troops and the war in Iraq. Clearly he does not support the war, but that does not mean he doesn't support the troops. It is a shame that people such as yourself can't make the distinction between those two things, for they are entirely different matters altogether.Stephen routinely honors autograph requests made by the soldiers and their family members, despite his policy of only doing that for the lucky ones that happen to be at his increasingly infrequent book signings. In addition, he has donated countless books to the troops overseas. And lets not forget the money he has donated so that soldiers on layover at his local airport may use cell phones to call their loved ones. Why haven't you noted any of this in your blog? Is it not flaming or controversial enough? I guess positive comments wouldn't draw as much traffic, would they?Stephen makes a very valid point. While some join the military because they feel the call of duty, or because it is a lifelong dream or family tradition, countless others do it simply because they don't have other options. This corrupt system makes it hard for the less fortunate to further their education through less dangerous paths. But you don't mention that in you blog either.I'm starting to see a pattern here.....Why don't you do the right thing and publicly apologize for your comments, Mr. Sheppard?Sincerely,A Stephen King fan that thinks you should shut up.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.













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Methinks "solider" = sock
May 6, 2008 - 11:37 ET by Hunter12Methinks "solider" = sock puppet!
Sock Puppet, that terrifying new work from SK, where his alter ego tries to cover his a$$.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
LOL
May 6, 2008 - 11:40 ET by c5thenSo Steven King sends out his unwashed masses to flood the e-mail of Noel Sheppard and then immediately shuts down his own message board so that he doesn't get any responses himself.
Reminds me of a three-year-old sticking his fingers in his ears and screaming "Nya NA na nya, I can't hear you!"
How mature and sophisticated of the author.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
Another egotistical liberal
May 6, 2008 - 12:06 ET by motherbelthoist on his own petard.
I love it!!!
Let's Act Like Liberals
May 6, 2008 - 11:48 ET by Gothampc""Hi, Noel—Stephen King says to shut up and I agree,"
Censorship! Censorship! The Democrat-controlled Congress is going to turn the US into a police state where we have no more free speech. Where does King get off censoring people? He's trying to shut us all up because we are speaking truth to power. The sky is falling, the sky is falling.
/sarc off
Yes you can
May 6, 2008 - 11:45 ET by MeanderingI suppose you can't make this up, but you can make up a person who doesn't exist. Sure we all have our freedom thanks to our military who have done something much greater with their lives than write about people being killed by a giant spider or a crazy clown. Supporting the troups is not calling them illiterate and stupid. Talk about clueless.
As a child, I remember my
May 6, 2008 - 11:49 ET by USA4freedomAs a child, I remember my Dad saying to me: ya know, that boy just does not look right.
Take a look at that picture and see if that statement does not fit..
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
Supporting the troups is not calling them illiterate and stupid.
May 6, 2008 - 12:59 ET by wizardjrBang on Meandering. And thanks for the real support for today's warriors.
Best Military in the World
May 6, 2008 - 13:44 ET by MeanderingKing, the scribe of truth (see Christine a living car), must have forgotten the part about our military being the Best in the World. Yet they are full of illiterate dropouts? Doubtful moron! Rock on Armed Forces!
It is kind of difficult to
May 6, 2008 - 13:56 ET by danboIt is kind of difficult to take Mr Kings support of the military seriously when he's kicking them and spitting on them.
Seems Mr King has comtempt not support for the military.
They're not canon fodder and I resent that term. The military are brave men and women who we owe more thanks than we can ever give for protecting us.
I would not just question his patriotism but also his courage. He sends people to Noel then runs. I guess I don't have a right to consider him a coward.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Dear Stephen
May 6, 2008 - 11:51 ET by Mike BrattonYou've lived a life unfettered by consequence, yet you feel comfortable attacking people who have some of the more consequential jobs on the planet?
You make a living scaring people, yet you toss verbal Molotovs at people who desire to make the world a safer, less-frightening place?
Whether or not you can write is a matter of debate, but you've made it transparently clear that reading for comprehension isn't your strong suit, since blog-reading is such a taxing proposition for you.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport.com
King Turtle
May 6, 2008 - 11:51 ET by dboWhat an outrage. It totally amazes me that someone that enjoys the fruits of a free society can not respect the insitution that gives him that freedom. Then he doesn't have the balls to take the heat. If you want to write your books-then write. If you want to spew your ugly politics, then grow some thicker skin and don't be such a spineless coward.
Adding insult to insult
May 6, 2008 - 11:55 ET by Hunter12Notice how in his message he does it again:
"I guess he feels ignorance and illiteracy are OK when the country needs cannon-fodder. I guess he also feels that the war in Iraq has nationwide approval. Well, it doesn’t have mine. It is a waste of national resources. . . and that includes the youth and blood of the 4,000 American troops who have lost their lives there and for the tens of thousands who have been wounded. I live in a national guard town, and I support our troops, but I don’t support either the war or educational policies that limit the options of young men and women to any one career—military or otherwise."
I wonder how Steve would do when faced with the complexities of modern equipment fielded in the war on terror. Would those strange twists in his mind work at the fire control system of an M1 or when field stripping an M16.
Those 4,000 lives will be wasted when terrorists learn all they have to do is bleed us enough and we'll quit with what is needed half done.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
Exhibit A of many reasons
May 6, 2008 - 11:56 ET by taterExhibit A of many reasons why these people who spout off their rhetoric are cowards. If you really believe in what you say is true then there would be no problem defending it.
"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it. Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it." -my grandfather
We'll be waiting when his message board comes back up. :-)
May 6, 2008 - 11:59 ET by jazboThose who believe in nothing will believe anything.
Hi Jazbo... Being an avid
May 6, 2008 - 13:44 ET by Tim the EnchanterHi Jazbo...
Being an avid G.K. Chesterton fan, please permit me to correct your tagline (the actual quote is as follows):
"When people stop believing in God, the problem isn't that they believe in nothing, it's that they'll believe anything"
No offense intended!
Tim: Brevity is the soul of wit ;-)
May 6, 2008 - 14:31 ET by jazbo- Bill Shakespeare.
Those who believe in nothing will believe anything.
A question for Noel
May 6, 2008 - 11:59 ET by viluzionHave you gotten many emails from them? I'm just curious how many of his fans will follow his instructions.
V
May 6, 2008 - 12:08 ET by Noel SheppardV,
Still coming in. Probably about 20 up to this point, some sent through NB's contact form. Not a huge amount. ns
Well apparently his fans
May 6, 2008 - 12:13 ET by motherbeltWell apparently his fans are not buying his explanation either. Looks like he's getting more backlash than you are!
ROFL!!
Noel, any chance you might post those emails?
May 6, 2008 - 13:11 ET by R D Helm-Email addresses redacted, of course.
But, nobody will complain if you, ah, forget to delete them. Heck, Neal forgets all the time. Hint, hint.
:-)
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
"Probably about 20 up to
May 6, 2008 - 14:04 ET by danbo"Probably about 20 up to this point"?
Only 20?
Does this tell us something?
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
ns is going to Iraq, soon
May 6, 2008 - 12:03 ET by ThisnThatns says: "The saga of horror novelist Stephen King ...". Noel, unless you upgrade your spelling, your're going to be sent to Iraq by NB'rs. You should have said: "The saga of horrible novelist Stephen King ..."
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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber
After getting all the
May 6, 2008 - 12:11 ET by mattmAfter getting all the responses from military personnel will Mr. King have a change of heart? Will he realize that his initial position was purely based on Liberal prejudices and hate, and then change his tune?
I guess not, since he seems to be closing off opposing views - like a true Liberal hypocrite.
You have that right,
May 6, 2008 - 12:14 ET by motherbeltYou have that right, matt....libs are the first to tell you that they think everyone's opinion should be heard. Right before they shut down the opposing viewpoint.
Amen to that. Leftists
May 6, 2008 - 12:53 ET by CortillaenAmen to that. Leftists love to talk about free speech right until someone disagrees with them. Soldiers offer their lives for that freedom regardless. Mr. King is free to spout his ignorant and insulting opinions of our soldiers purely because they give him that right. It'd be ironic if it weren't so disgusting.
www.rhjunior.com Great comics with a hefty dose of Christian and anti-nutjob goodness.
"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." -Miyamoto Musashi
Hypocricy
May 6, 2008 - 12:16 ET by shawn228One of the thngs I love to do more than anything is to expose hypocricy, it does not matter if it is on the left or right.
Mr. King here send his hitmen here to get Noel, now that he is getting heat he can't take the pressure. He probably feels like he is trapped in one of his own novels and will be having nightmares about NB for a while.
Welcome to the list
May 6, 2008 - 12:17 ET by red_dragon311Beyond a shadow of doubt
Stephen King, Douche
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
-Thomas Jefferson
To Be Blunt
May 6, 2008 - 12:27 ET by stratmanStephen King took a lame cheap shot he thought would tickle the funnybones of Liberals. He was pandering to his audience at the time. And his slur was derivative and not original (John Kerry).
King is yet another turd on Hubris Highway going to Stupidville.
RRAM Tough!
Nuance
May 6, 2008 - 12:27 ET by BacchusKING: "That a right-wing-blog would impugn my patriotism because I said children should learn to read, and could get better jobs by doing so, is beneath contempt."
So, joining the military isn't on King's list of better jobs? Does he despise the military? Sounds like it.
KING: "I guess he feels ignorance and illiteracy are OK when the country needs cannon-fodder."
Is he also against joining the military during peacetime, or just right now?
The fact that that the military fully supports both missions, in Iraq and Afghanistan, means nothing to him. The fact that 50 million souls were liberated, means nothing to him. The fact that he's advocating throwing Iraqis back to wolves, speaks volumes about him. I can see him writing another horror story, this time a true story. Evil.
Hating America isn't the same thing as being unpatriotic, is it, Mr. King?
message boards are closed... figures!
May 6, 2008 - 12:32 ET by jgarciaMr. King, please pull your head out of your own books for a little while and come join us here at the NB... I am sure there are a few people here that would love to enlighten you. I also would be interested in how you came to the conclusion that our military has “limited options”. As I wrote earlier in a comment: Mr. King, you Sir, do not have “nationwide approval” when it comes to your own personal views on our military personal.
They will never get it
May 6, 2008 - 12:37 ET by HumblepieWhen will they learn that to spout "I support the troops, but, I don't support the war" is a oxymoron statement. You can't have one without the other. If you support the troops you support the war. If you don't support the war you are helping to kill US troops you say you support. Win the war through propaganda, the enemy has learned that lesson well since Vietnam.
During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.
Humble..According to your
May 6, 2008 - 20:37 ET by JerHumble..According to your logic, is it safe to assume you were equally outraged at the Republicans who criticized our military intervention in Kosovo during the Clinton presidency--criticism which persisted even while hostilities continued, and, in some cases, took the form of "we support the troops, but not the war"?
Jer
Actually Jer
May 7, 2008 - 12:00 ET by HumblepieI was in Kosovo. My objections with that operation is still:
1. Too little too late. Clinton decided to intervene after world opinion repeatedly questioned his defense. He did not see fit to stop ethnic cleaning until opinion turned against him.
2. Rules of engagement, Can't engage the enemy, unless they shoot you first. Then, depends on the volume of fire received.
3. Wanted to put US troops under direct control of the UN commander vs US commander. Nothing like seeing French Army soldiers strapped to light poles and such to be used as human shields. All the while, UN command would not use force to rescue them.
During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.
Humble...Those are rational
May 9, 2008 - 02:20 ET by JerHumble...Those are rational objections, although they contain at least some points and assumptions about which reasonable minds might differ. So, is it permissable, in your view, to criticize a Commander-in-Chief, or the war policies of a particular administration--but only if one's opposing arguments are sound?
I guess I'm having a problem fully understanding your position.
Jer
KING
May 6, 2008 - 12:52 ET by opnpt0I love his early books a lot so it is hard for me to hear this stuff....it is like when you hear a singer that you like talking nonsense. Very dissapointing - sometimes when they say they "Support The Troops" I wonder if these celebrities mean US Troops.
Stevie - what happened to regular guy who wrote great books....I want him back. :(
Wow
May 6, 2008 - 13:01 ET by kenro85So, Stephen King calls our troops stupid and that's just his opinion, good for him. Noel Sheppard says he disagrees with Stephen King and that's polarizing? I guess the grass is blue and the sky is green, too.
From me to you Noel Sheppard, you keep calling things as you see them. That's also what Mr. Solider fought for.
By the way, I give a pass on solider, personally. That's called a typo. But, I am a stickler for the difference between its and it's.
Noel, you had better be
May 6, 2008 - 13:07 ET by Roger the ShrubberNoel, you had better be careful: King just might write about about you, which will then be turned into a really, really, REALLY, crappy movie.
And not even a real
May 6, 2008 - 13:10 ET by Jack BauerAnd not even a real movie... a TV movie!
With a cameo from the toothsome King.
A mini-series. On
May 6, 2008 - 13:48 ET by Roger the ShrubberA mini-series.
On Lifetime.
*shudder* Now THAT's spooky!
Starring Rosie O'Donnell and
May 6, 2008 - 14:18 ET by Jack BauerStarring Rosie O'Donnell and Josh Brolin.
Or he might turn Noel into
May 6, 2008 - 13:24 ET by Clear thinkerOr he might turn Noel into a very large black man with special powers, or a mean dog, or a large alligator, or.......
"Abstain from McCain"
Right wingers aren't
May 6, 2008 - 13:12 ET by wiwfRight wingers aren't supposed to fight back! They're dumb!
/sarc
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
interesting how the
May 6, 2008 - 13:19 ET by Jack BauerNo doubt King will say this proves his thesis that soliders are indeed illiterate!
I support the war, but not
May 6, 2008 - 13:24 ET by seaniepI support the war, but not the troops I have never supported these phony troops, but the war is a noble cause
turnabout fair play?
May 6, 2008 - 13:28 ET by theduck6http://www.stephenking.com/messageboard.php
pompous idiot. Some of his stuff is extremely good and some of it is pure poop! It sells because King wrote it. By the time you figure out it's a dud, it's too late.
Noel
May 6, 2008 - 13:31 ET by DelsaI actually, went to King's site and guess what? It was DOWN, DOWN, DOWN!
I wanted to read what he and his followers had to say and couldn't.
I won't go back again though. I had to take a bath right after going there. I need to stay clean.
Once in this case is enough.
Libs
May 6, 2008 - 13:37 ET by jefflebowskiAnd the left accuses conservatives of being robots controlled by Rush Limbaugh!
Notice how Alan Combes looks
May 6, 2008 - 13:49 ET by marpelNotice how Alan Combes looks like the monsters in Sleepwalkers? LOL
That's the only thing I've ever taken away from a Stephen King anything. Now, I know he's an idiot.
King's platform
May 6, 2008 - 14:03 ET by candance-The military houses a lot of stupid people who couldn't make it in the real world.
-Our soldiers are currently serving as nothing more than cannon fodder.
-They're killing Iraqis in an illegal war.
-When I say our soldiers are illiterate trash waging a bogus war, that's how I show them I care.
Aging Hippie
May 6, 2008 - 14:09 ET by rammingspeedStephen King is an aging '60s hippie who has stayed in his own little world because he became rich beyond the dreams of Avarice (which is the hippie pinko equivalent of a mortal sin) and didn't have to face reality. He's got great brain power and creative ability, but zero wisdom. That's a dangerous combination.
By the way, creating wealth from his own abilities is one of the good, respectable things he has done.
It is the soldier
May 6, 2008 - 14:41 ET by BacchusI hope we have permission to reprint. ?
Color me curious. . .
May 6, 2008 - 14:54 ET by tracheostomySomething doesn't make sense here.
There are fan sites out there that are of much smaller scope than a site devoted to one of the most successful fantasy/horror novelists of our time.
Yet even these smaller sites (some even devoted to a single fictional character) usually support more than one moderator to cover for those who need time off.
Many are such devoted fans, that they're willing to serve for the status alone, and without pay.
So what's the deal here?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Same thoughts Trach...
May 6, 2008 - 15:37 ET by JPR1I think it must be one of three things:
A two-bit operation without the readership to warrant a substitute Mod.
A two-bit operation with an owner too cheap to pay a substitute Mod,
Or, a two-bit operation with an owner who is a chicken$^!t.
It'll be interesting to see how he saves his backside.
"That a right-wing-blog
May 6, 2008 - 15:10 ET by QueenMum"That a right-wing-blog would impugn my patriotism because I said children should learn to read, and could get better jobs by doing so, is beneath contempt. Noel Sheppard says, “Nice sentiment when the nation is at war, Stephen.” I guess he feels ignorance and illiteracy are OK when the country needs cannon-fodder."
Mr. King:
1. You did not simply say that children should learn to read and that doing so would assure them better jobs. You suggested that if they don't learn to read. the military is one of the few options open to them - sort of on a par with flipping burgers, digging ditches, or picking produce. Wake up, Mr. King. You obviously have not moved beyond the anti-war sentiments of the 1960's.
2. Your use of the term "cannon fodder" is disrespectful. And your suggestion that those currently serving are ignorant and illiterate only serves to point out your own ignorance.
3. Your ire concerning the comments on this "right-wing blog" shows you to be nothing more than a lib cry-baby.
Keep up the good work, Noel.
P.S. Just had to add this from King's own website:
"Stephen attended the grammar school in Durham and then Lisbon Falls High School, graduating in 1966. From his sophomore year at the University of Maine at Orono, he wrote a weekly column for the school newspaper, THE MAINE CAMPUS. He was also active in student politics, serving as a member of the Student Senate. He came to support the anti-war movement on the Orono campus, arriving at his stance from a conservative view that the war in Vietnam was unconstitutional. He graduated from the University of Maine at Orono in 1970, with a B.A. in English and qualified to teach on the high school level. A draft board examination immediately post-graduation found him 4-F on grounds of high blood pressure, limited vision, flat feet, and punctured eardrums." (Bolding mine)
For some reason, I find this interesting in light of his opinions re: military recruits.
I am the exotic Queen Mum, and I approved this message.
This pisses me off since
May 6, 2008 - 15:17 ET by TheConservativeChemistThis pisses me off since this was a ridiculous and typical leftist elite comment from King. I've been a fan of his books for years (read them all) but have noticed the last 5-6 years a LOT of liberal jabs creeping in, so much so that his latest book (which was otherwise excellent) was marred, for me, by some retarded leftist comments stuck in.
I'm debating whether to give up reading King based on this. The hypocrisy is always so amusing on the left though...take take take the freedom while contributing nothing and insulting those who provide provide provide the freedom (the soldiers and "regular"=REAL Americans)
Being a bit petty, are we?
May 6, 2008 - 15:51 ET by DaveS'Interesting how the "solider" that came to King's defense -- a member of King's website since February 2007 -- misspelled "soldier."'
I think that this is not only decidedly uninteresting, but that it comes off as petty and childish. Why ruin an otherwise legitimate complaint of poor behavior on King's part by dedicating so much "space" to such irrelevant material?
I guess I got tired of the "you transposed two letters while rapidly typing and are therefore a moron" fallacy after seeing it for the first or second time in the mi-1990s.
DS
May 6, 2008 - 16:03 ET by Noel SheppardDS,
So much space? This was an ironic aside at the end of the post. If it was important, it would have come before the jump. Understood?
Furthermore, if I was a former soldier, and I was creating a thread at a message board encouraging other soldiers to speak out about something, I'd make DAMN SURE I spelled soldier correctly, especially in the headline!
But, maybe that's just me. ns
THIS WAR
May 6, 2008 - 16:11 ET by sajc05I tend to be more of a libertarian/ paleo-conservative, which makes me against this war. not all wars just wars that don't serve the national interest. i'm a nationalist - take care of your own country first.
so can somebody on this board explain to me how are our troops defending americas freedoms in iraq? afghanistan, yes they are. But if we didn't invade iraq would my freedoms be some how stomped on by the powerful iraqi army that was threatening to take over our country like the nazi's almost did to the UK in the 40's?
It's a joke to think Iraq could do anything to us, being that we could destroy that entire country with the push of a button. thousands of us soldiers have died in iraq because terrorists in afghanistan attacked us? does this sound weird to anyone else?
I agree with you, the
May 6, 2008 - 16:16 ET by shawn228I agree with you, the intelligence was flawed and we would be better off if we never invaded. However we are there now and retreat should not even be an option.
Iraq would become a haven for terrorist and there oil and resources will fall into the wrong hands. If we left now it would be a disaster.
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May 7, 2008 - 20:05 ET by MightyMouth"
I agree with you, the intelligence was flawed and we would be better off if we never invaded."
But the point is Shawn, that as far as we all knew the intelligence was not flawed. Not even in doubt. That makes the decision to invade the only viable option. Congress thought so, and so did Dubya. Which means He (and they) did the right thing...right? And btw, at the time Obama did the wrong thing! :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
That's a bit of a simplification....
May 6, 2008 - 16:43 ET by DaveSNobody was ever concerned about "the powerful iraqi army that was threatening to take over our country". The very legitimate concern was that Hussein would handoff WMDs to terrorist groups, or train them, or otherwise lend his nations considerable resources to terrorists.
Furthermore, "in Afghanistan" is a useless modifier for "terrorists". The terrorists you intended to reference (Osama et al) have spent time in Somalia and other countries as well. The middle east as a whole is pretty much their stomping grounds, and in many cases they have the support of states--the Taliban in Afghanistan being a prime example. Iraq under Hussein, for example, gave extensive support to terrorist groups, and even subsidized suicide bombers in Palestine.
So yes... they are fighting to make us safe, but not simply by directly confronting a hostile enemy (though they are doing that as well). This is a much broader struggle, and you have to think outside the box a bit to understand how it ultimately makes the US and the world safer.
--Iraq shows AQ and other terrorist groups that America can still stick it out in a fight long enough to wear them down through attrition and make their lives miserable.
--Iraq gives the people in the heart of the middle east something that they can call their own, and toward which they can channel their energy as an alternative to terrorism (whereas before they were either oppressed or joined the oppressors to escape oppression).
--Iraq kills LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of terrorists. They are swarming into Iraq and dying, so extensively that terrorist groups are having to resort to abducting people or tricking retarded kids into conducting suicide attacks.
--Iraq is reminding Arabs (in Iraq) of how horrible the fundamentalists/terrorists are, and they are beginning to cooperate with the US to crush them.
Etc... it's a lot of intangible things on top of the obvious.
"so can somebody on this
May 6, 2008 - 16:45 ET by ckc1227"so can somebody on this board explain to me how are our troops defending americas freedoms in iraq?"
No, no one here can, because if you still don't get it after 5 years of explanations, you aren't going to get it after reading a post here at NewsBusters. We could find nuclear missles buried under the sand with New York, D.C., and L.A. coordinates programmed into them and you still wouldn't get it.
The only person who can help the willfully ignorant is the willfully ignorant.
I tend to be skeptical of
May 6, 2008 - 17:35 ET by Dan The Man 2I tend to be skeptical of posts like yours that state such as this "I tend to be more of a libertarian/ paleo-conservative" and I was right to be. I looked at some of your past posts and find you to suffer from BDS and have leftist views. I guess you have beebn around long enough to see the posts about Iraq and Afghanistan but refuse to see any light.
You forget one thing about Hitler and WWII, in 1938 Chaimberlain signed a treaty, with Hitler, along with a few other world leaders and a few years later WWII escalated. And in 1941 the USA was brought into it.
Saddam in 1991 took Kuaitt and in 2003 we had to take Iraq from him. Just as Hitler was not at war with us, even after Japan bombed Hawaii, we attacked Hitler because he was a threat to us. And so Saddam appeared to be a threat we could take out before he became a menace. There were also strategic benifits in taht bargain which made taking Iraq even more attractive.
It was in the USA's interest at the time for long range security. You were probably against nukes in Europe too. Did that help the USA interests?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Skeptical?
May 6, 2008 - 18:15 ET by sajc05what are you skeptical of? if you've read some of my posts you would see that I dislike bush because I'm a true conservative and not BDS.
What conservative about the largest Fed gov't in our history and the most spending by any president?
True conservatives would never leave our borders wide open to everyone and anyone still almost 7 years after 9/11 as bush has done (psss 9/11 was an immigration problem, they were here illegally)
True conservatives would not serve mexico's interests over that of their own countries as bush has done.
and true conservatives wouldn't open up multiple fronts of battle w/out a plan or clear objectives (bush continues to lower and change the bar of success in iraq) at the expense of the primary objective which was to rid afghan of the taliban/al queda and capture bin laden
"you forget one thing about Hitler and WWII, in 1938 Chaimberlain signed a treaty, with Hitler, along with a few other world leaders and a few years later WWII escalated. And in 1941 the USA was brought into it."
we were brought into WWII because the germans had a direct affect on US interests, some being falling european allies and threatened shipping lanes... Nazi germany was not in check, they broke treaties and built up their army throughout the 30's under everyone's noses - that same thing cold not possibly happen today, we know everything going on over there whether it be by satellites or on the ground spies or isrealli intelligence - iraq was contained. but it is now a haven for terrorists so i agree that we cannot just walk away.
Yes all the posts were Bush
May 7, 2008 - 01:36 ET by Dan The Man 2Yes all the posts were Bush sucks and he is responsible for all the ills in the world, a classic definition of BDS. Do I worship the ground President Bush walks on, no, I think he is a good President. I dont like some of his policies like the border or his veto pen.
The idea you seemed to have missed is Hitler neede some whoping on in 1938 berfore he created all teh ahavoc and let loose his dogs of war jsut like we stopped Saddam from creating more WMD. He is and was a threat to the USA. I assume you are a Paul supporter and as such you really dont understand what securing teh USA means.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
sajc the holier than thou conservative
May 7, 2008 - 02:57 ET by UnsaneTrue conservatives And you are WHO to come in here and determine who is a "true conservative" and who isn't?
iraq was contained. sajc, I am sure the pilots and intel officers I know will be HAPPY to hear that. Yep, those missiles fired at them, the number of times the Iraqi radars were activated and "painted" our jets...why, those were just figments of the imagination!!!
Also, as the 1990s wore on, some countries showed less and less enthusiasm for enforcing the sanctions. France (for example)desperately needed (still does) more sources of income to finance their Nanny State with 9% unemployment, so they were chomping at the bit trying to end the sanctions themselves. In fact, they were flagrantly violating them left and right, and when caught, they would whine piously about how the sanctions were hurting the children and so on and so forth. What they had to say about their close-knit relationship with Saddam for oil investements and arms of course was not brought up.
The "Iraq was contained" whine is crap. Also, please do not forget that Saddam Hussein was sponsoring terrorism by paying $25K per suicide bomber in Israel.
at the expense of the primary objective which was to rid afghan of the taliban/al queda and capture bin laden I know, sweetie, once we capture bin Laden, the bad guys will instantly vanish, the United States will NEVER have enemies ever again, world peace will spontaneously break out, and hell, the WTC towers I suppose will spontaneously resurrect themselves! Right? (and then, based on your past posts, the United States can recede to whiny isolationism, just the way you want it)
As I recall, I didn't hear people like you calling for us to pull out of Western Europe so that we could capture Abu Nidal in the 1980s.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
in this world there is no
May 7, 2008 - 11:46 ET by sajc05in this world there is no reason to be isolationists. so people on this board who have a hard time understanding that some one might not think that strategically the iraq was worth it, stop thinking they're isolationists.
i agree with american presence all around the world, we keep the world in check. i do not like iraq, because not even bush knows what victory is there anymore. everyday the bar of success is lowered.
and i never said that if you catch bin laden all is good again. but are you saying you have no problem letting the man responsible for 9/11 go just because it won't end terrorism?
i want that man caught and strung up, unlike bush who says "eh if we catch him we catch him"
Retort
May 8, 2008 - 03:58 ET by Unsanein this world there is no reason to be isolationists. so people on this board who have a hard time understanding that some one might not think that strategically the iraq was worth it, stop thinking they're isolationists. Too damn bad, isolationist. Especially considering your past posts on here. To me, Iraq was worth it, but what the hell do I know being in the military?
i agree with american presence all around the world, we keep the world in check. i do not like iraq, because not even bush knows what victory is there anymore. everyday the bar of success is lowered. Your whiny defeatism is showing itself once again. There is a government and a constitution here, and their military scored some key successes recently in Basra. It is NOT a bowl of cherries but not nearly as bad as you think it is.
and i never said that if you catch bin laden all is good again. With your focus on ONE MAN, you coulda fooled me. but are you saying you have no problem letting the man responsible for 9/11 go just because it won't end terrorism? If we catch him, for me it is icing on the cake. For too many people it is the be-all and end-all. There are too many people who are going to react to a capture of bin Laden like they did to the fall of the Wall: "Yay! We're all done! Let's start ignoring The Big Bad World once again!!!"
i want that man caught and strung up, unlike bush who says "eh if we catch him we catch him" The Bush approach is one I agree with. If we catch him we catch him. During the Mexican Revolution, we tried to capure Pancho Villa and as I recall, that didn't work out too well for us.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Excellent post, to which I
May 6, 2008 - 18:41 ET by BacchusExcellent post, to which I would like to add:
Alas, Iraq wasn't the menace. Saddam was. He financed terrorism. He used WMDs on his own people and against his neighbors.
Saddam convinced everyone, pre-invasion, and foolishly perhaps, that he still possessed stockpiles of WMDs. Have you read the report by Saddam's interrogator? Google it. He was on 60 Minutes too, try the CBS website for the video.
Saddam's facilities for WMDs were mothballed, not destroyed, he was waiting for the UN sanctions to be lifted. The man was going to be trouble if he was left unchecked, he needed to be taken out.
Defeating al Qaeda, wherever they are found, is a good thing no matter what. Their form of religious fanaticism failed miserably in Iraq. That fact should be widely disseminated, before al Qaeda tries to set up shop somewhere else. They're nothing but dead-enders who fight for the sake of fighting and there's no reconciliation with those hoods, the drugs they're bribed with must be too good for them to pass up.
The Iraqis want their freedom.
"The Iraqis want their
May 6, 2008 - 20:09 ET by sajc05"The Iraqis want their freedom"
yea? then why do the majority want us out?
and if you're so concerned about terrorists getting WMD then I hope you're willing to acknowledge that bush is completely derelict in securing the home. Studies have shown that its not just lettuce pickers sneaking across the borders. and 7 years after 9/11 no security, bush should be ashamed for letting the american people down so bad. i do not support that fake conservative anymore.
romney was my guy but all we have is juan mccain.
Majority of who?
May 6, 2008 - 20:26 ET by CobraMan"yea? then why do the majority want us out?"
The majority of who? The Iraqis? I think not. As a matter of fact, every citizen poll taken in Iraq in the past year all show that the Iraqis want us to stay until they're capable of taking care of their own security. Yes, the Iraqis want most of our troops to leave eventually, but they sure don't want us to leave today!
Survey says!
May 6, 2008 - 20:50 ET by CobraMan"I hope you're willing to acknowledge that bush is completely derelict in securing the home."
Derelict? You've got to be kidding! President Bush has done a wonderful job at protecting America.
I hope you're willing to acknowledge that America hasn't been attacked in almost 8 years. Not a single repeat of 9//11, not a single repeat of the USS Cole attack, not a single repeat of the embassy bombings of the 90’s that killed hundreds of innocent foreign citizens, not a single repeat the “shoe bomber” (who failed, btw). All in all, I would say that President Bush is doing an excellent job protecting America, wouldn't you?
(on edit: that almost 8 years and not over 8 years)
"President Bush has done a
May 6, 2008 - 22:27 ET by sajc05"President Bush has done a wonderful job at protecting America."
you're joking, right? don't call yourself a conservative if you think our borders are secured. real thinking people don't worship a man simply because he has R next to his name. wake up and stop being such a partisan that you cannot see failing with a republican.
it has been extensively covered that middle easterners are sneaking into our country via mexico because THE SECURITY CHIEF HIMSELF has sold us out to mexico and will not secure our borders
are you literally blind, or just blindly swallow everything bush says without question?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24987
"I hope you're willing to acknowledge that America hasn't been attacked in almost 8 years"
no need for al queda to hit targets like the USS cole, they are happily killing american soldiers on a daily basis. we have 150 thousand soldiers with targets on their backs just waiting to see who takes the next IED.
they couldn't be more successful at attacking american interests since 9/11
More blather
May 7, 2008 - 03:10 ET by Unsanebecause THE SECURITY CHIEF HIMSELF has sold us out to mexico and will not secure our borders And how has that happened? Ah, let me guess, you are a protectionist. Well, last I checked, NAFTA was ratified in 1993.
No one wants to secure our borders because of the most cynical reason of all: fear of losing a particular block of voters.
no need for al queda to hit targets like the USS cole, they are happily killing american soldiers on a daily basis. we have 150 thousand soldiers with targets on their backs just waiting to see who takes the next IED So you have zero faith in our military. Amazingly, we have lost 4000 soldiers in 5 years. We lost 3000 alone on one December morning in 1941. Sounds to me like you couldn't stomach WWII.
I hate the loss of life even more than you do. But all the same, unlike you I'd really rather have our nation's finest whack the terrorists in Baghdad, rather than have the cops in Boston try to take them out after they have killed a few hundred civilians. Let the terrorists try to take on the military; they get their asses handed to them every single time.
they couldn't be more successful at attacking american interests since 9/11 Huh?
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Unsane: 7 Loser NB Noob:
May 7, 2008 - 19:29 ET by Roger the ShrubberUnsane: 7
Loser NB Noob: 0
Where are they?
May 7, 2008 - 23:36 ET by CobraMan"it has been extensively covered that middle easterners are sneaking
into our country via mexico because THE SECURITY CHIEF HIMSELF has sold
us out to mexico and will not secure our borders"
If these "middle easterners" are "sneaking" in as you claim, just where are they?
You DO realize, don't you, that Mexico has a very strict immigration policy and that they let VERY FEW foreigners into Mexico. That's ALSO "extensively covered." I highly doubt that many "middle easterners" are "sneaking in" from a country that lets so few "middle easterners" into their borders.
I also find it hard to believe that these "middle easterners" are "sneaking in" through the very routes that so many Mexicans use (and don't like to share, btw) to enter this country and yet not a single "middle easterner" terrorist has been pick up by the INS (and common citizens) who patrol the border 24/7 and who pick up illegal trying to cross the border every day.
So, tell me again, if these "middle easterners" ARE sinking in as you claim in order to attack us, where are they and why aren't they attacking?
150 thousand targets?
May 7, 2008 - 23:57 ET by CobraMan"no need for al queda to hit targets like the USS cole, they are happily
killing american soldiers on a daily basis. we have 150 thousand
soldiers with targets on their backs just waiting to see who takes the
next IED. "
Let me get this straight; Less that 6,000 of those"150 thousand soldiers" have been killed in over 5 years of continual war with al Queda in 2 foreign countries and these "150 thousand soldiers" have killed tens of thousands of al Queda militants and devastated their origination to the point where we haven't had an attack on the citizens here in America in almost 8 years, and that we’ve freed over 50 million people so that they now have the chance to create a democratic society and become a valuable ally of ours, yet you think that this a failure by the Bush Administration? Man, you ARE insane!
Get this straight; Our troops are fighting and dying in foreign lands so our citizens won't be killed here in America. They voluntarily put themselves in danger so that you and I won't be attacked here at home. They, and a lot of American business men and women as well as private aid originations, also voluntarily help the Iraqis and Afghani's build a free and just society in those countries so those citizens no longer have to live in fear of their own governments. They do all this and more, not because they're forced into it, but because they care.