AP: 'Stephen King Fires Back After [NewsBusters] Blogger Attacks Remarks'

Photo of Noel Sheppard.
By Noel Sheppard | May 6, 2008 - 20:10 ET

The battle between NewsBusters and horror novelist Stephen King went national Tuesday when the Associated Press picked up the story.

For those that haven't been following this, on Monday, NewsBusters reported King's disgraceful comments -- made in front of a group of high school students at the Library of Congress in April -- about people who can't read having few options other than to enlist in the Army.

This surprisingly prompted King to post a blurb at his website encouraging readers to send a message to me stating, "Hi, Noel—Stephen King says to shut up and I agree."

Now, the AP has expressed its view of this squabble, of course, with no mention of King's sorry call-to-arms (emphasis added):

BANGOR, Maine (AP) Stephen King has fired back at conservative critics who attacked him over a remark he made more than a month ago at a writers symposium for high school students.

A blogger jumped on King's statement at the Library of Congress about the importance of reading in which he suggested poor readers have limited prospects, including service in the Army. [...]

Blogger Noel Sheppard likened the comment to former Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's remarks that if you don't get a good education, ''you get stuck in Iraq.''

''Nice sentiment when the nation is at war, Stephen,'' Sheppard wrote.

King fired back Monday.

Yeah...so far with blanks.

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Still around twenty?

I suspect that's near the upper limit of clueless fans willing to do his bidding. I take pride in the fact that we conservatives have too much class to launch a counterattack.

viluzion, evidently you

viluzion, evidently you didn't see the dissection of Bobby Calvan and Dave Lindorff. Last time I checked, Calvan took his blog down and Lindorkkk doesn't allow comment's anymore on his.

The Kingle-berries wisely took thier's down before we did.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

That's true, Blazer

evidently you didn't see the dissection of Bobby Calvan and Dave Lindorff

In fact, I don't even know who those people are. When I spoke of a counterattack, I meant an attempt to deluge King's inbox with snitty emails.

"When I spoke of a

"When I spoke of a counterattack, I meant an attempt to deluge King's inbox with snitty emails."

 My mistake.  I agree I find the whole e-mail thing boring, I much rather like to fight in public.

 

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

A One-sided Fight


My mistake. I agree I find the whole e-mail thing boring, I much rather like to fight in public.

But it's no fun having a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.


A member of the right-wing media

Expectations

When you make public comments, you have to expect people to react. You can't just pop off and yet demand that everyone else stay quiet. That's what free speech is all about. If you don't want the response, keep quiet yourself.

It's like the difference between a movie actor and a stage actor. The stage actor gets immediate response, but the stereotypical movie actor isn't used to that. Immediate reaction throws him off. Here, King is a fiction writer who swerved into punditry. The rules are different. He doesn't know how to handle it.

Exactly right

Exactly right. King, I suspect, can't quite figure why people are having this public reaction to his stunningly stupid statements. Like many a celebrity, he's ventured over his head in an area he knows nothing about--though I am sure he thinks he's an expert in the topic.

Noel. Do you think they

Noel. Do you think they really believe this is about the importance of reading. (AP and King.) Rather than trying to cover up Kings arrogance and belittling of the military.

My vote is they're covering up.

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

King's got problems...just

King's got problems...just look at his picture...says it all for me...actually it has for years about King...he is one weird dude.

Glad you made the AP though Noel...and of course the AP is typical with their reporting.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

So, what is the current

So, what is the current count, Noel?

I must admit to reading nearly all of King's fiction, and liking most of it. Of course, his liberal leanings peek through occasionally, but he does a fair job of keeping them in check. He even seems to espouse some conservative principles from time to time.

I really think he just chose an unfortunate way to communicate the need to be literate to these students. But the call to arms is quite the over-reaction, I think. Makes him look petty. And the response must be embarrassing, if it's as small as I suspect it is.

(Nice pic, btw. Makes him look pretty neurotic, lol.)

Hi IJ... After Pet

Hi IJ...

After Pet Cemetery that was it for me getting through his books...I have seen some movie adaptations though of other books he wrote, Kujo is one that made me jump and squirm, but just couldn't get into the book...anyway, as an aside... great to see you.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Hi back atcha BT. Actually,

Hi back atcha BT. Actually, I didn't like Pet Sematary, book or movie. Nor Cujo. Both struck me as pretty schlocky. And most movies from books (by any author, IMO) pretty much suck. I rarely like a movie if I've already read the book.

<edit> 

Looks like I'm out of step on this one, I like King's style, mostly.

Anyway, hope you and yours are doing well...

Hilarious stuff. I have

Hilarious stuff. I have never read a King novel and never will. I find so-called horror novels to be junk. And, if the movies made from his work are any indication (the majority of which are crap) then he really has no standing from which to claim superiority.

Still, I find it amusing -- well, maybe more like sad -- that all the attention is being shifted from his anti-military, hate the troops, comments. He said our soldiers CANNOT READ! He basically said they were all low-rent, idiots that have no other choice in life but to go get killed like automatons of the lowest sort. He is a jerk. It's THAT we should be focusing upon.

 "I find so-called horror

 "I find so-called horror novels to be junk."

 countdown to WTH saying he hates horror in 5.....4.....3......2..

 dang too late.

Yea, Warner I was kind of expecting you to chime in with that. : ) 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

I don't...

I don't hate horror.

Give me anything written before 1900 and any film made before 1980. Great, fun stuff.

After that... it's all CRAP!

I was going to counter with

I was going to counter with Halloween, but that was 1978. What a scary movie. I think The Ring was really terrifying. 

But this whole torture genre that's current...I'll never watch one of those. 

Actually...

Actually...

The first Halloween movie marks the beginning of the movement from schlock, yet fun, horror to the execrable junk that passes for "horror" today.

It is junk. Crap. Worthless. Uninteresting, plotless, pointless, badly acted, horribly scored, junk. There is no craft to it. It is mindless goo. A first year film student with a cheap video camera could direct winos under a bridge to make a better flick. It is crapola. Not worth the time it would take to set it afire. I wouldn't force my worst enemy to watch it.

...other than that it's great. And so is every movie made contemporary and afterwards that claims the mantle of "horror."

Still, Far be it for me to have an opinion on any of it. I could take it or leave it. I don't feel all that strongly about it. You know me. I just want to be liked. can't we all just get along?

Have you seen John

Have you seen John Carpenter's "The Thing" set in Antartica? 

 

"Republicans always get a huge pass on the racist issue. Huck is just another example. Provided they don't start up with the N word, they seem able to pander directly to the racist vote."

-- Chuck Davis, intellectual heavyweight, bigot

Hmmmm...

I never really thought of Carpenter's The Thing as "horror." But, I guess it can be. I liked that movie, but I always thought of it as Sci-Fi. Like the first Aliens movie. It was OK. The rest were bad. But, still more like Sci-Fi to me.

So, I guess I will have to agree with you that SOME few movies that can be called horror made after 1980 were good.

But, I think we are straying from Noel's topic here too much. Let's not make this another Warner Todd Huston thread!
:)

Actually Warner - I don't think Noel would mind

I'm surprised he hasn't weighed in on this aspect because he's a movie lover. He must not be around

I know Dee, I'm

I know Dee, I'm worried. Noel's been quiet for a few hour's now..................I hope PennyWise didn't get im'.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

Dee and WTH

Dee and WTH,

No worries. I'm here, and reading. A bit tired and burned-out. Very long day.

I'm a big Carpenter's "The Thing" fan. Really great film. Some amazing special effects for its day. Years ago, I saw a video of just all the transformation scenes linked together. Delicious.

Is it horror or sci-fi? I've got a good solution: It's a Hi-Fi! :-) ns

 

I've never seen the Thing and seeing that Kurt Russell

is in it - I'll have to get on that. It could never be a complete waste with him in it.

I like the Hi-Fi thing! - there does need to be a category for it.

"The Thing" had Wilford

"The Thing" had Wilford Brimley and Kurt Russell, so you know any combination with those 2 is classic.  The stuck up actors in Hollywood wish they could be as funny as Wilford Brimley, but they can't because they are too stuck up.  And has Kurt Russell ever done a bad movie?  Kurt Russell isn't stuck up like the clowns in Hollywood.

I like Stephen King's books, and I enjoy the mini-series on tv.  I was probably one of the few who actually watched "Kingdom Hospital."  I think it lasted like 5 or 6 episodes.

King should probably learn about the term cannon fodder though.  I believe Queen Mum made a great post earlier about him using that term.  That is very insulting.  Cannon fodder refers to soldiers who have very little chance of not becomming a casualty.  It is usually used in human wave attacks with the hope that the second or third wave will defeat the defenders.  I don't think King can find any examples of this war where US soldiers have charged machines guns in waves.  A good example of cannon fodder would be Pickett's Charge from the Battle of Gettysburg, as well as many others.  Checkout the Battle of Somme too for cannon fodder, and I can gaurantee you that King can't find a good example of anything like that happening with US soldiers in the Iraq War. 

  I believe the John

  I believe the John Carpenter's "The Thing" (1983) is quite possibly the best horror-sci-fi movie ever made.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

That was extremely scary.

That was extremely scary. What a great movie. I still maintain that The Ring is terribly scary.

I disagree, the original

I disagree, the original Alien movie did it for me. The constant remakes have diluted the impact, but I haven't been able to eat an egg since 1976.

Aliens!

The second movie, Aliens was, in my opinion, far better than the original. That's probably because of the military aspect that was included.

"That's just f#@cking great, man! Now what the f#@k are we supposed to do? We're in some real pretty s#@t now man! Game’s over man, game’s f#@king over!!"

Heh!

Blazer,

I agree, as it is the only horror movie that scared me for days after I saw it.

Nobody will ever top that.

What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008

The Thing from Another World

 John Carpenter's "The Thing" is actually a remake, and a great remake at that!

Have you ever seen the original "The Thing from Another World", which was made in 1951? The "Thing" was played by James Arness, from my hometown of Minneapolis, who was also the Sheriff in “Gunsmoke.” That original movie was alright, considering when it was made.

Actually cobra, JC's "The

Actually cobra, JC's "The Thing" isn't actually a remake but follow's a lot closer to the original plotline of the short story of "Who Goes There ?" by John W. Campbell Jr., of which both are based. Plus in 'The Thing from Another World" wasn't the creature a giant carrot? 

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

LOL When Veggies attack!

"Plus in 'The Thing from Another World" wasn't the creature a giant carrot?"

LOL It sure looked like it, didn't it? That kinda ruined the whole movie for me.

You're probably right about "Who Goes There." I never read that story. I always though that The Thing was a remake of "The Thing from Another World" since both dealt with scientists fighting an alien they find frozen in the ice and decide to "study."

After all the times scientists get killed after deciding to "study" some strange life form, consider the Coelacanth (can't remember the name of that bad movie), you'd think that they would learn to leave the darn things alone!

The creature was

The creature was carrot-like in composition, but didn't look like a carrot at all.  If it had looked like one, the original movie wouldn't rank as one of my favorites (as it does).

“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)

that's Marshall Dillon to you ;)

Sorry, CM, but I just had to point out that Arness portrayed Marshall Dillon, not Sheriff Dillon. (Gunsmoke is one of my favorites.) If you hadn't already done so, check out his autobiography - interesting.

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
- George Bernard Shaw, 1944

The Exorcist!

For me, the best horror movie of all time has to be The Exorcist (1973)! That movie kept me awake most of the night, waiting for my bed to start shaking, for MONTHS after I first saw it as a 12 year old. It still sends chills up my spine whenever I watch it.

I"m with You WTH Horror sucks with a few exceptions

I just watched The Night of the Hunter (1955) for the first time about a year ago and that was excellent. If Horror was like that before then I may watch some more old horror.

I did like the movie "The Shinning" but not the book. Loving the movie had more to do with Nickelson and Kubric and nothing to do with King because the book didn't hold my interest.

Very recently, I did like The Orphanage, 28 Days Later and 28 weeks later. Those three had good acting, directing, editing and soundtracks.

I was quite taken with "The

I was quite taken with "The Others" with Nicole Kidman. It had the flair of old style, Poe-like horror.

Yeah - I liked The Others too - If you liked that you would love

The Orphanage (if you don't mind subtitles). It's similar but better acting and story I think.
If sixth sense is considered Horror - I loved that too.

I can't wait to see The

I can't wait to see The Orphanage. Have you seen Devil's Backbone, del Toro's last spooky-kid movie? So good. I kinda hated Pan's Labyrinth, though...

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

WTH, I'm guessing that when

WTH, I'm guessing that when you discuss the "execrable" descendants of the first Halloween movies, you're referring to the 80s slasher flick and the relentlessly-churned-out sequels of that genre? I'm curious as to what you think of other 70s horror that preceded those and some of the postmodern horror that followed up upon it. For instance, I'll agree that Nightmare on Elm Street II-VIII were worthless, but I thought the first one was super. How about Texas Chainsaw Massacre? Seven? Silence of the Lambs? It's unfortunate that the slasher junk keeps making a resurgence every decade (I know what you did last summer, anyone?) but don't you agree that some masterpieces have eked their way out in the meantime?

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

But Warner, Army of

But Warner,

Army of Darkness was made after 1980 . . .

/Sarcasm off

Pledge to not support RINOs ever again!

To say anything written

To say anything written after 1900 is CRAP is kinda broad.Dang.

Yeah, well, that's part of

Yeah, well, that's part of the fun in these here parts.

Bal.... did YOU just write

Bal.... did YOU just write that after 1900?

That was my Yosemite

That was my Yosemite Sam-speak.

BTW, are you saying no fiction of any kind after 1900, or just horror? 

I meant just horror.

I meant just horror.

That's what I figured, but

That's what I figured, but just wanted to check. I'm frankly not all that familiar with the genre outside of King and Bram Stoker.

 

Sometimes I wave my arms a

Sometimes I wave my arms a bit and yell "get of my lawn, you kids." (I know you've never noticed) So, I CAN name a few good horror books written after 1900. But, my general sentiment is that most of what passes for horror is garbage.

Then again, the genera itself has often attracted schlockey writers in the first place. It has never been much of an area for serious writing, let's face it. Poe was one of the few that ever tried to seriously approach the concept of "horror."

Sort of like the comic books of the earlier eras.

I Used to be a giant comics fan until I grew up and realized that it was mostly junk, too!
):

I highly recommend The

I highly recommend The Sandman. Well worth it. As well as Watchmen, The Dark Night, and The Killing Joke...and Y: The Last Man.

Watchmen...

Do ya wanna see my deconstruction of the wretched Watchmen?

Here ya go...

http://www.publiusfo...

I think YOU in particular, will get a chuckle out of it.

WTH, With the possible

WTH,

With the possible exception of Thomas Friedman of the NYT, King writes the most excruciating crap in the English language: boring clichés and tired pop culture references.

The reader gets the sense that the author is not only more dim-witted than he really is, but isn't even trying to prove otherwise.

Liberal: a power worshipper without power. George Orwell

He said our soldiers CANNOT

He said our soldiers CANNOT READ! He basically said they were all
low-rent, idiots that have no other choice in life but to go get killed
like automatons of the lowest sort.
(my emphasis, on "all", not WTH's)

Let's be honest and realistic about one thing. King did not say nor imply this. His remark was dead wrong, as I've conceded elsewhere. The idea that social misfits get trundled off to the military has huge historical legitimacy; but now, with all the high-tech gizmos and what not, it's simply not the case. No more passing out M-16s to vagrants, high school dropouts and degenerates and dropping them in the jungle with the real soldiers.

But what King said is not that ALL soldiers are illiterate automotans. If he had, I'd be totally on board with the King-bashing. What he said was that for people who are illiterate or socially unuseful, the military may be the only option (and again, historically speaking, it's only recently that this became not-the-case). But his statement does not mean or even imply that all people who join the military did so for that reason. This is basic SAT Verbal Section logic, folks. Semantically, King did not say what half the posters on this site are saying he did.

Now if you want to be angry with him, fine. Fair enough. His comment was ignorant. But let's have the integrity to not make him into a caricaturized military-hater just to make bashing him easier.

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

I used to be a fan

Many moons ago during the first Gulf War, many troops used to have to transit in through Bangor for customs, refueling, etc.  Well, Stephen King met many of the planes, posed for pics and signed books.  How do I know this, my brother was on one of those planes and he happily signed a book for our parents, his sister-in-law and me.  He even posed for pics which sits in my photo album.  I think that book is going back to Bangor, ME from this "Stupid" person with an explanation of why and perhaps the rest of his crap books (although I'm thinking garbage can). 

I also read this morning that John Cougar Mellonhead is going to do a "musical" with this clown.  I'm so over these idiot "celebs" who have no respect for those who serve but live in this country because others do so they can insult them.

BTW May 9th, is National Military Spouse Day. 

Mr KIng is very uninformed

I believe it was a result of the Kerry insult that a study was done (albeit short) on the exact level of education of our troops and it was discovered that in fact the levels of education was significantly higher than their contemporaries out of uniform. As someone who spent 26 years wearing a uniform, I can vouch for the smarts of our young men and women. I wonder who Mr King thinks is able to not only "read" those highly technical manuals but also work on multi-million dollar aircraft and other advanced weapons systems, most of which are computer based going back for decades. I also know for a fact that many of our finest in uniform pursue college degrees when they have the time between keeping the wolf from the doors of unappreciative Americans like Mr. King. Many of my friends while on active duty actually had several degrees including Masters Degrees and even a few Doctorates, and I just talking about the enlisted guys. Far too many Americans have a memory of our Armed Services as something pictured after WWII. These young men and women are smart, sharp, focused but they are still after all young people. They are often lead by men and women who are only in their twenties with the exceptions of the Senior NCOs on a daily basis. I believe it reveals what liberals think of "military people" in general; a kind of contempt and an embarrassment knowing they don't have what it takes or the willingness to be one. They don't do it for the money because the money isn't very good. With a cost - benefit trade off analysis only a fool or a patriot would willingly sacrifice their youth, energy and yes even their lives if necesary for their country. I seriously doubt if Mr King has ever worn the uniform of our nation so it is equally doubtful he would even begin to understand what it means to the ones who do and have. They may have been successful in their chosen professions but for those who serve their country and do so proudly, they are truely PROFESSIONALS in every sense of the word. IMO they are the best people on Earth and I for one am damn proud of every one of them.

doug1950...I agree with

doug1950...I agree with almost everything you say, except the gratuitous shot at liberals viz-a-viz the military.

I find it interesting and rather ironic that so many of the Republican national-level leaders [Congressmen, Presidential candidates, ranking administration officials]--especially the number of "hawkish" neocons--over the past decade or so who have managed to avoid military duty... in contrast to the service of so many of their Democratic counterparts.

Jer

" especially the number of

" especially the number of "hawkish" neocons--over the past decade or so who have managed to avoid military duty... in contrast to the service of so many of their Democratic counterparts."

 

Jer, that's an old and tired straw man argument to say the least. Jeremiah Wright was a Marine and so was Lee Harvey Oswald, but I'll bet you couldn't pay any Marine right now to claim them.

I've never served but I'll bet the baby's milk money that any one of our troop's would rather sit down and have a beer and a T-Bone (on me of course) with a fellow countryman like me that wholeheartedly support's thier valiant effort's and sacrifice, than  jacka$$e$ like John Murtha or John Kerry.

Now I appreciate and thank anyone for thier service who has given of themselves at a time in whatever capacity to serve our country selflessly, including our Democratic politician's in Congress. 

However it's what thier doing and saying right now that count's, and they aint' supportin' thier fellow servicemen and countrymen which makes it doubley shameful on thier behalf's, because they have been in thier shoe's. 

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

Blazer...I think the baby's

Blazer...I think the baby's milk money is safe.  You are right, of course, about Wright and (most likely) Murtha. 

But, while my argument may be old and tired, it is not made of straw.  And, speaking of "tired arguments", the one which posits "liberals and Democrats are anti-military, anti-American while conservatives and Republicans are pro-military, pro-American" needs to be put to bed.

However, I will concede that since Viet Nam, the reflexively anti-war faction resides primarily in the Democratic Left.  Those anti-war sentiments are sometimes appropriately--but at times inappropriately--transposed into an anti-military mindset.  And it bothers me when the entire Democratic party is defined by its more extreme anti-military elements.

My previous post comparing military service underscores the fallacy of that view--as does my earlier obsevation that many Republicans criticized Clinton's military intervention in Kosovo a decade ago while our airmen were engaged in combat. Yet, I don't recall Democrats attacking those critics for "not supporting our troops".  [And if any did, they were wrong to do so.]

Jer

Allright Jer, since your a

Allright Jer, since your a bit more nuanced on the subject this time, I'll half-heartedly agree. Plus I'm a bit too tired right now to explore the subject with you, but your original post was pretty straitforward and begged the response. Political posturing and partisanship by any party at the expense of our national security or liberty is wrong. 

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

Well, Blazer, maybe we both

Well, Blazer, maybe we both can retire for the night agreeing with each other.  "One small step..."

Jer

Oh really?

Of course, Clinton's wag-the-dog tactics in Bosnia and Somalia weren't criticized by the Dems because the prospect of the focus on more important issues like perjury, treason, and stealing FBI files was too unpleasant. 

 

 

"On the Eighth Day God Created the United States Army and the Devil Stood at Attention"

Jer: I find it

Jer:

I find it interesting and rather ironic that so many of the Republican national-level leaders [Congressmen, Presidential candidates, ranking administration officials]--especially the number of "hawkish" neocons--over the past decade or so who have managed to avoid military duty.

Interesting.  It seems you forget McCain's service. 

Something I would remind you is that in the latest polls of military persons by the Military Times Corporation, something like 83 percent of the respondants self-identified as Conservative.

What does this bode for the liberals in future elections?  The conservative candidte in 2020 will LIKELY be able to say "I was a platoon leader in Fallujah" while his liberal counterpart will more likely be able to say "I was a Code Pinko Operative protesting at the Bathesda Naval Hospital - being mooned by the patients."

I imagine their parties will both celebrate these two facets of boths character.  The Conservatives will likely play up bravery and self service while the Liberals will go through - sorta what they are now - celebrating a return of "1968 liberalism."

BD - LOL "I was a Code Pinko Operative.. getting mooned...."

hysterical. I needed that laugh.

BD...I haven't forgotten

BD...I haven't forgotten about anyone's service--certainly not McCain's.

Jer

Yet you make the assumption

Yet you make the assumption that the conservative leadership has not served, while the facts seem to contradict.....

BD... A debate between a

BD...

A debate between a few of the military's finest and a few ivy league types would be very enlightening. The elitists would get squashed!  

"Abstain from McCain"

Hey, look! A _reverse_

Hey, look! A _reverse_ generalization!

Okay BD...You misstate my

Okay BD...You misstate my assumption, but just for the heck of it, why don't you name the "conservative" Republican presidential candidates in the past four elections who served in the military, and I'll do likewise with the Democrats.  Your ball.

Jer

Hard to remember all

Hard to remember all the various candidates, but from memory. 

2008 - McCain (USN),

 2004 - Bush 2, (ANG)

2000 - Bush 2, (ANG)

1996 - Robert Dole (10th Mountain Division - USA) 

1992 - Bush 1 (USN),

1988 - Bush 1 (USN),

1984 - Ronald Wilson Reagan. (US Cavalry-Reserve)

1980 - Ronald Wilson Regan . (US Cavalry - Reserve)

1976 - Gerald R Ford - (USN)

1972 - Richard Milhouse Nixon - USN).

1968 - Richard Milhouse Nixon - (USN)

1964 - Barry Goldwater (MG, USAFR)

1960 - Richard milhouse Nixon - (USN)

1956 - Dwight David Eisehnower - (USA)

 For the life of me, I cannot recall who ran in 1952, was it Eisenhower?

 

Great List

Thanks for the interesting and informative list. It seems that Republican candidates who served in the military did very well as all but two of them also served as Commander in Chief, excluding McCain of course as this election hasn't been decided yet.

Did a  quick websearch and

Did a  quick websearch and indeed, it was anothe Eisenhower term, plus a candidacy of Wendell Wilkie (USA).

I think we have to go all the way back to Thomas Dewey in 1944 to find someone who is likely NOT to have served in the military. But I cannot confirm that he did not serve.

I did not go before 1940...

Did a  quick websearch and

Did a  quick websearch and indeed, it was anothe Eisenhower term, plus a candidacy of Wendell Wilkie (USA).

I think we have to go all the way back to Thomas Dewey in 1944 to find someone who is likely NOT to have served in the military. But I cannot confirm that he did not serve.

I did not go before 1940...

Dewey Wins!

Dewey Wins! Oh, wait...

BD...1952:  Eisenhower vs.

BD...1952:  Eisenhower vs. Adlai Stevenson [Ike won in a landslide.  I was 5 years old and helped my mom campaign for Stevenson.  We obviously were not much help.  Twelve years later she was a Goldwater Republican.]

Jer

Just curious Jer. What is

Just curious Jer. What is your military back ground?

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

I don't mind telling you, bass

I don't mind telling you, bass--[I've mentioned it before]--but, just curious...why are you curious?

Jer

I have posted before

that my son was a school dropout when he entered the Navy to become a Corpsman. Of course, he entered the University at 13 (he was almost 14) and "dropped out" at 17 almost 18. He did finish his degree last winter. king, kerry, belzer, and their cronies are despicible and ignorant. Plus, I do not like the term "shut-up".

Funny, about the same time

Funny, about the same time (14-15) i started hanging out at eh college campus 100 Yards from my home growing up.  Started sitting in on classes in the bigger lecture bowls.

Of course, I did it to scope out college chicks, didn't actually learn anything.

Yes,

my did do much the same, did have to explain eventually to a few girls how old he really was...angered a few.

Fired back?

"King fired back Monday."

Fired back? I don't think so, as that would imply that King rebutted you in your own blog. Did he do this? No, he told others to send e-mails to you instructing you to "shut up," that little coward! He didn’t even respond personally when you posted a statement which questioned the reasons as to why his blog was no longer allowing comments, he told his MODERATOR to do that. That's NOT firing back, that's hiding behind the barricade.

Just goes to show

That just because guys may write about character (the stand)doesn't necessarily mean they have any.  

as an aside...i was sorta wondering why no one made any remarks noting the similarity of King's remarks to King Kerry's remarks regarding our soldiers, apparently i missed NB's article with that comparison...i apologize for doubting NB would miss anything. 

Gee, would it have killed the ASSociated Press to mention NB?

LOL-Noel, something tells me there is a sequel to The Texas Chainsaw Massacre in the works.

-Bet the first character to lose his head will be named Noel.

What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008

LOL

We'll have to keep watching for that!

HOOD ORNAMENT

WASN'T KINGS "CLAIM TO FAME" BEING A HOOD ORNAMENT??? HE SHOULD
STICK TO IT........WHAT WOULD HE KNOW ABOUT BEING IN THE MILITARY??

HE'S A LIBERAL

More than that

HE LIVES IN MAINE! A leftist socialist enclave if there ever was one.

 

I have never read his books...nor will I ever. But sure wish "Christine" was real and invaded his car or vehicle!  A traitorous oaf like him does not deserve to live EVEN ONE MORE DAY ON THIS PLANET!

Ah, the Rational Right

Ah, the Rational Right weighs in...

I'd notice that Vulcan logic anywhere. 

Great point!

I agree. Liberals are definitely authorities in all things military.

I was more referring to the

I was more referring to the "hood ornament" comment.

Wait a second...

Does this mean AP can see us pointing out their lefty ways and laughing at their shoddy 'journalism?'  :-D  Just in case:

 

Hi AP!  Fear NB!  :-D

Is it contagious?

He supports the troops, just like Kerry did, of course that was before he was against them... No wait Kerry threw some one else's medals at the White-house before he was in favor of the war that he was later against...?

I guest it like Bill said under oath, "That depends on the definition of is..."

Interesting how every liberal wants to have it both ways, support the troops, but appose the war... Is that like you like me when I'm in the rack, or at chow, but as soon as I pick up my Ruck, and weapons, you hate me?

Perhaps they are all suffering from multiple personality disorder or some other malady...

Maybe the Devildocmom can ask her son if this is a treatable infection, or maybe we should just quarantine them to Diego Garcia in case it is contagious just to be on the safe side...

Semper Fi!! 

"King's got problems...just

"King's got problems...just look at his picture...says it all for me...actually it has for years about King...he is one weird dude."

Is he sucking his thumb in that picture? He looks like a gradeschooler put in time-out. All he needs is a dunce cap to complete the picture.

I miss the days before September 11, 2001 when writers and actors and singers would entertain us and we were all like one big happy family. They'd do their thing and we'd plunk down our cash and leave smiling.

Now the writers and actors and singers are strangers to me and I just don't have the desire to watch or listen to them anymore. I'm  much more choosy about where I turn for entertainment. I sometimes mourn that part of my life. I have to plug my ears anytime favorite actors of mine such as Holly Hunter, Jeff Bridges, Robert Duvall, or Christopher Walken open their mouths because I'm afraid of what liberal bile will spew forth.

As for King, I used to inhale his books when they came out. I was a very loyal reader. Then he started writing shite like Tommyknockers, Dreamcatchers, and The Cell and I turned away in disgust. Truth be told, his wife is a much better writer than he.

The Fiction of Dumb Military Recruits

It is a fact that military recruits are smarter than the rest of the general population according to standardized tests (DOD 6).

Do they read Noam Chomsky and sip espressos with effete professors who make their living knitting "narratives" to match their demented leftist view of the world?

No. Nor do we want them to.

The Heritage Foundation has an excellent report on their website debunking much of the media's misreporting about the supposed "decline in quality" of military recruits since the war in Iraq began.

Any of my friends who are in the military have twice the snap as your typical leftist.

King and the leftists should stick to what they do best - writing fiction.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius

someone else may have said

someone else may have said it, but what I want to know is why would it be so bad if you couldn't read to end up in the military?

they feed you, they clothe you, they house you, they give you health coverage, they even pay you!!!!  sure, you have to stand up and and sit down when they tell you, but isn't that what will happen when these leftist get their way and the government controls our lives (that is the irony of leftist wimps, they don't understand that what they really want is to be in a military life - but they just want the free stuff, don't want to work for it)

forget that you must take the ASVAB to get into the service, and if you can't read, you will have a real hard time with that test

but lets look at what must be some of the "better options" must be for those who don't know how to read and write

 - you can become a drug dealer

 - you can become a gang member

 - you can become a hooker, or if you are pretty enough, a stripper

 - you can become a common criminal

 - if you are big and fast and strong enough, you can actually get a college degree and play sports for a living

but to me that is what these horrible statements are about - if you can't read, then the worst thing that can happen to you is you end up in the military?  I would think that the worst thing that could happen is you get killed in a driveby shooting because you never achieved a damn thing in your life

but I guess that would be more honorable and patriotic (at least according to King and his ilk) that it would be to get money for college, job training, a sense of accomplishment and a sense of something bigger than yourself

king has a house about 30 minutes from me, I might go carry and sign in front of his house that says "I can read" and wear my Operatoin Iraqi Freedom Combat Veteran hat

Hey All You Morons - We Want You!

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The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius

It Saddens Me...

This whole thing saddens me on one hand while on the other I'm, of course angry.

As I watched the video which was originally put up here on NB I was firstly angered by this elitist attitude to the military.  Then came the the true to life horror from Steven King, the children he was addressing applauded his remarks. 

This celebrity is influencing the minds of the children.  The first thing which truly alarmed me about the Clintons was their "Goals 2000" because Hillary was after America's kids.  This pervailing anti-military worldview is subversive and celebrities who spout this should be called on the carpet when they do it.

Bravo! Noel....This site is awesome....

Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.”  Abraham Lincoln 

Check out some of the

Check out some of the comments on Maine' only large daily newspaper, this paper is known as being totally left wing, don't lose your breakfast.