What Obama Should Have Said About Wright and Race

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Despite the glowing praise from supposedly impartial press representatives across the fruited plain, March 18, 2008 could go down in history as the day Barack Obama destroyed his chances of becoming the first black President of the United States.

Americans shouldn't be fooled by all the predictable fawning from the usual suspects in the mainstream media, for this was not a shining moment for the well-spoken gentleman that has generated so much enthusiasm around the country.

Rather than using his Rev. Jeremiah Wright mea culpa speech in Philadelphia Tuesday as an opportunity to demonstrably move race relations in this nation toward a brighter future, the junior senator from Illinois employed tired clichés to dredge up a past that most Americans only experienced in their history books and want desperately to move beyond.

If this is change we can believe in, Martin Luther King Jr. must be rolling over in his grave.

Consider for example the following words uttered by Obama early in his speech that won't likely be reported by press members unashamedly on his bandwagon:

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[The Constitution of the United States] was stained by this nation's original sin of slavery...

The Constitution was stained?

Is telling Americans that the most important document in their history was stained a way to begin a speech that was supposed to address Obama's connections to a bigoted, hateful pastor? Is this how the presidential candidate and his media minions think he's going to unite the nation, by bringing up hundred year old images of slavery?

Forgive me, Senator, but this rhetoric is what has been spewing from the mouths of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton since Martin Luther King Jr. was shot 40 years ago, and is quite responsible for why race relations haven't improved much since.

Sadly, Obama wasn't done trying to shame Americans for a past most currently alive had no part of:

But we do need to remind ourselves that so many of the disparities that exist in the African-American community today can be directly traced to inequalities passed on from an earlier generation that suffered under the brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow. Segregated schools were, and are, inferior schools; we still haven't fixed them, fifty years after Brown v. Board of Education, and the inferior education they provided, then and now, helps explain the pervasive achievement gap between today's black and white students.

Legalized discrimination - where blacks were prevented, often through violence, from owning property, or loans were not granted to African-American business owners, or black homeowners could not access FHA mortgages, or blacks were excluded from unions, or the police force, or fire departments - meant that black families could not amass any meaningful wealth to bequeath to future generations. That history helps explain the wealth and income gap between black and white, and the concentrated pockets of poverty that persists in so many of today's urban and rural communities.

This coming from a black man that went to Columbia University and Harvard Law School, married a black woman who went to Princeton University and Harvard Law School, and had a combined household income of $1.7 million in 2005.

It seems the wealth, income, and education gap Obama spoke of hasn't harmed him or his family. You think media will point out this delicious hypocrisy?

No, I don't either.

Regardless, having painted a picture of the United States certainly different than the one that has offered him opportunity and prosperity beyond most Americans' wildest dreams be they black or white, Obama flipped the race card over:

In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community...Like the anger within the black community, these resentments aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition. Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism.

Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition? And here I thought the Reagan revolution was inspired by promises of lower taxes, less government interference in people's lives, and a strong national defense.

Silly me.

Do Obama and his media minions really think suggesting Ronald Reagan's success was a function of white anger will endear him to white voters? Is this what they believe will unify our nation? Or accusing conservative commentators of "unmasking bogus claims of racism?"

This is change we can believe in?

Of course, this type of nonsense works well with liberals such as Chris Matthews who called Obama's speech "worthy of Abraham Lincoln." What should we expect of a man who admitted that Barack's oratory gives him a thrill up his leg?

Not to be outdone, the New York Times and the broadcast networks also gushed over Obama's remarks. Yet, despite such unapologetic sycophancy, how will implying that one of America's most beloved presidents is responsible for racism play in Peoria?

More importantly, how much different is this from the tenor of much of the controversial statements made by Obama's pastor?

Think about it: to a certain extent, Obama tried to explain Wright's hateful rhetoric with somewhat similar hateful rhetoric, albeit toned down for a wider audience than that which sits in the pews at Trinity Church.

This brings to mind Cyrano de Bergerac's response to Valvert's simplistic assertion that his nose was "rather large."

After all, in settling the Wright controversy on such an enormous stage with the entire country hanging anxiously on his every utterance, Obama "might have said, oh a great many things." Why waste such a marvelous opportunity with the same monotonous, racist trivialities the country has been exposed to by the likes of Jackson and Sharpton for so many decades?

Mon dieu.

For example, thus:

Rev. Jeremiah Wright has been part of my life for twenty years, and no one has had a bigger impact on my faith than he. However, I am quitting his church, because his kind of hateful rhetoric is part of the problem in our country, and race relations will never improve as long as black people condone speeches that continually blame white people and the United States for all the world's ills.

America has given me, my wife, and my family almost unthinkable opportunities, and we are extraordinarily grateful. Such is available to all in our nation that are willing to work hard. In fact, what the success of my presidential campaign up to this point demonstrates is that Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream is very close to becoming a reality.

Of course, there is still a lot left for us to do for his vision to fully materialize. First and foremost, African-Americans around the country must immediately denounce the anti-American and anti-white rhetoric that is so common in our churches and our music. If we really want there to be one America, we have to start behaving like that's the case rather than constantly depicting ourselves as victims.

When I am president, I will work tirelessly to make this happen. Thank you, and God Bless America.

With such words or something similar, Obama might have not only sealed the nomination, but also made himself almost unbeatable in November.

Instead, the junior senator from Illinois showed the nation that he really doesn't disagree much if at all with Wright's hateful rhetoric. He's just sorry the country was exposed to so much of it during his quest for the White House.

Despite the hopes of many Americans spellbound enough by his exemplary elocution skills that they believe he can finally improve race relations in this country, Obama showed himself to be nothing more than the Reverends Jackson and Sharpton. This will come as a great shock and maybe even greater disappointment to millions of Americans on both sides of the aisle.

Though there are likely few Republicans who will vote for Obama if he wins the Democrat nomination, there are plenty that would be very proud of our nation if a black man was elected president, especially if he could end our racial divide.

Count me amongst them.

Sadly, it now appears Obama is as capable of doing this as Rev. Wright. Too bad.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.


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This jug-eared dope yammers

This jug-eared dope yammers on and on about "unity", but you don't create "unity" by resorting to tired, race-bating platitudes that wore out 30 years ago. You don't foster "unity" by harassing the majority population, and imposing on them the useless endeavor of "white guilt". You don't "unite" by dividing the Haves and Haves-not in a never-ending class warfare.

If the Democrats actually put this clown up for election, they are not seeking unity. They are seeking revolution. And the majority of the population, the Haves, have a lot to be worried about.

Well said.

"No greater injury can be done to any youth than to let him feel that because he belongs to this or that race he will be advanced in life regardless of his own merits or efforts."
~ Booker T. Washington

I was hoping that Obama

I was hoping that Obama would have said something similar to your suggested statement. But, he didn't. I was very disappointed. I had high hopes for this candidate. I wasn't going to vote for him, but I was wishing him well....until.....Rev. Wright's preachings came to light. Since I cannot put myself in Obama's shoes on the race issue, I do have a child. And I belong to the Maronite Catholic Church. It's an Eastern rite, based in Lebanon. I have been a member all my life. But, if our priest had ever preached hate speech against Anglos and the US as the Rev. Wright has preached against whites and America, I would stand up in the middle of his homily, I would tell him that he was wrong to say those things, and I would never have my child exposed to that Church again. Because, in essence, I wouldn't be turning my back on my Church, my Church would have turned its back on me and my family.

I find this portion

I find this portion particularly troublesome:

"Segregated schools were, and are, inferior schools; we still haven't fixed them, fifty years after Brown v. Board of Education, and the inferior education they provided, then and now, helps explain the pervasive achievement gap between today's black and white students."

A friend of my daughter teaches in the Chicago Public School system. He worked his butt off and did without in order to obtain his Master's Degree. He teaches a class of 38 8th graders. He has had things thrown at him, been threatened with retaliation when he accidentally bumped into a female student, and is regularly disrespected by the language and attitude of his students. This young man was willing to forego a high salary because he thought he could make a difference in the lives of those who do not have the benefits of the stable family and environment that he had growing up. After his first year of teaching he's planning on finding other work. Seems to me that it isn't the school system that needs to be fixed.

The achievement gap is a direct result of the sort of attitude espoused by the likes of Rev. Wrong.

 

I am Queen Mum and I approved this message.

Segregated schools? Where

Segregated schools? Where on earth does he find "segregated schools"? The only "segregated schools" I know of are the charter schools started by blacks, for black kids in inner cities. Is he opposed to these?

I went to Catholic prep

I went to Catholic prep schools here in So. Texas. A few African American girls attended that school with me. I have stayed friends with these girls for almost 40 yrs now. I asked one of the girls the other day if she felt black "leaders" like Rev. Wright, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton represent her and her thoughts. I got a resounding "NO". She told me that she is ashamed of these people because all they do is continue the victimization of her race. She's very proud to be who she is, and is heartsick over the latest revelations of Obama and his church.

I agree with your friends

As a black woman, I loathe people like Jackson, Sharpton, Wright and even Obama.

If they are really trying to smooth out racial tensions, they certainly aren't doing a good job of it.

They make it worst for EVERYBODY!

KSimm, thanks for

KSimm, thanks for responding. I will tell my friends that they have a kindred spirit on Newsbusters.

Good point, motherbelt...I

Good point, motherbelt...I thought Obama's obsevation in that regard was off the mark.  I assume he was speaking in reference to a trend toward de facto resegregation in parts of the country, but I think his argument sidestepped critical aspects of the issue.

I believe the importance of education cannot be overstated, and, regrettably, as long as many young African-Americans feel academic diligence is "acting white", disastrous consequences will continue to afflict black communities.  

Jer

Queen Mum - I have a liberal friend who did the same thing

My friend is a big guy (6' 3") and built. He decided to leave his corporate management career to make a difference and took advantage of the Cook County program that pays for your education to get a teaching certificate if you agree to teach in a disadvantaged school. He ended up teaching in a Jr. High and was powerless to do anything. He wasn't allowed to touch any of the kids to break up fights so his large build couldn't even help him. He's also a very cool guy who's extremely funny, plays basketball, has his own band and is up on current music. The type of teacher that most kids would bond with. He was also in the army and isn't the type who is afraid of anyone. They had just as little respect for him as anyone else because they knew he couldn't do anything.

He lasted one year and went back to the corporate world. He's really a conservative, he just doesn't know it.

Yeah Dee. Your friend

Yeah Dee. Your friend sounds a lot like my daughter's friend.  In one instance, when he called in security help to stop a fight, the participants were merely escorted out of the building by the police and told to go home. He was astounded that neither the police nor anyone in administration even admonished the students for their behavior. No disciplinary action was taken.

 

I am Queen Mum and I approved this message.

Noel, you should have been

Noel, you should have been Obama's speech writer!

The problem with Obama is dispite his education and wealth, he has bought into the liberal line that only two types of people exist in the world today: Victims and Abusers.  If you are not the Victim, you must be the Abuser, hence Obama's own subconscious guilt, he got where he is today because he beat someone else to it.  Liberals only believe in the Zero Sum game, anyone who has anything did so by taking it from someone else, hence liberal guilt.

Obama's speech reflected the failure of liberalism to move beyond guilt and the pandering to victimization.  The feel good programs and redistribution of wealth schemes are all reflective of this failure to come to grips with their own faulty view of the world.  The world is not a Mercantilistic Zero-Sum game where the wealthy become so at the expense of others.  The world is not billions of dollars poorer because Bill Gates of Microsoft, it is richer because of people like him.  Wealth is created in the modern Capitalist system not confiscated or stolen like in the Socialist and Mercantilist economic systems.  Just compare the US to Mexico and you immediately see the point.

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

It is certainly Class A....

It is certainly Class A.... but I doubt Obama would have listened. He said exactly what he wanted to say.

I wish I would have said.

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. My name is Barack Obama and I am a candidate for president of the United States of America.

I appear before you this mornig to apologize for the manner in which I have handled the situation at my church.

1. I disagree with those inflammatory statements made by my pastor.

2. I apologize to the entire country that I did not address it a year ago, 5 years ago or even 20 years ago. I apologize that I lacked the courage to do so because I thought it would be detrimental to my political career and that was a huge mistake upon my part.

3. This type of hedging for political gain I consider cowardice and I pledge to you that it will never happen again.

What can you count on from me in the future?

1. Never to repeat this mistake again.

2. I plan to remain a part of my congregation and work with the church leadership to choose a new direction which involves the worship of God, His Holy Word and how Jesus Christ offers all people the opportunity for salvation and forgiveness of sins by his Holy Grace.

3. Color-blindness should be the order of the day and it starts with me today.

Once again, I hope that you will forgive the human errors that I and every man and woman are transgressors of. 

 God Bless the United States of America!

Good Day

dscott

Spoken like a true capitalist. Thank you, I couldn't have said it better myself. Capitalism is freedom. The two go hand in hand.

Noel - I agree especially with the "monotonous" part

you said

"Why waste such a marvelous opportunity with the same monotonous, racist
trivialities the country has been exposed to by the likes of Jackson
and Sharpton for so many decades?"

The only difference between Jackson/Sharpton/Wright and Obama was that Obama was completely boring. I found it hard to listen to the whole speech. I'm surprised that people praise his speeches.

The only thing different with Obama is that he has put a tiny bit of responsibility on the Black community for their racism but he then turns around and blames conservatives without putting the blame squarely where it belongs on the Democrats.

Republicans have been responsible for the biggest gain to African Americans (ending slavery) and were equal partners in ending Jim Crow type laws. The biggest losses have come from the democrats through their racist welfare and affirmative action laws that have held black people down and stopped many from joining the middle class. The cost of getting off government programs is too risky for them. It's not because they are black. Any person who can get a government check and work in the underground economy can't compete with a regular job. They have to take a huge pay cut and so they don't take the risk that will lead to a better future. It's not their fault it's the government's for keeping them down.

Throw Grandma at the train ...

I love how Obama threw his white Grandma in front of the train by exposing her alleged racial remarks. Man, that took some courage ...

Well said, Mustangsally. In

Well said, Mustangsally. In one breath, he comments about he she raised him and loved him and the very next calls her a racist. But how could we possibly expect him to disavow his nutbag pastor? It's nice to see family and loyalty are big parts of the moral fiber that is Barack Obama.

What wasn't said!

GOD BLESS AMERICA is what wasn't said in BHO's speech!

Outstanding commentary Noel.

 

I find myself thinking it's about the last thing I need to read about Mr Obama. Never mind his socialist leanings, he's just not smart enough for the job.

Text Not Found

Ummm...Let's see, the Declaration ( http://www.archives.... ) doesn't mention slavery at all. Perhaps those Brits we were actively committing treason against were SOOOO much more enlightened. Wait. They didn't end slavery (in Colonies) until 1833. So, let's recap, whites should feel guilty and excuse a failed Christian Pastor because our ancestors didn't end slavery in a document designed to tell the U.K. to shove it? Noel, great attempt at a rewrite but let the failed historian speak for himself. We learn a lot more this way! As my Pastor said: "If I could talk to Chelsea Clinton I would tell her I fear Osama, Obama and your Mama."

Barack is playing off those

Barack is playing off those who are guilty because their skin color is white. Those that get only 15 to 30 minutes of news from dinosaur liberal news anchors. I am sick and tired of being told by society that I should be ashamed of my skin color. I am sick an tired of being lied to that only "whites" can be racist. Above all else I am fracking sick of being told how evil this country is. If this is such an evil and racist country why hasn't the black community got up and left this country? What is keeping the black community here if the white people are so evil and racist? Would any sane person stay in a country where they believed another segment of the population was trying to do the things Rev. Wright makes accusations of?

Stand up!

I felt that Obama should have stood up for Condoleezza Rice and Clarence Thomas. For Wright to say bad things about these two shows that he holds the party over his race. If the elevation of his race was his concern, he would have sung the praises of Condoleezza Rice and Clarence Thomas as two of the most successful black Americans in history. Instead, he called them Codamnesia and Clarence Colon because they belong to a different political party. That alone shows that Rev. Wright considers himself Blue (as in BlueState) before black.

Also, I felt this part was key:

...race relations will never improve as long as black people condone
speeches that continually blame white people and the United States for
all the world's ills.

Rev Wright is doing more harm that good when blames others.



"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary." Ernesto "Che" Guevara


We Shall Understand

After watching Obama's speech I can now fully understand why he doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin, doesn't hold his hand over his heart during the National Anthem, his wife isn't proud to be an American, and why he is so adored by the Democrats.

If he becomes president, and especially if the Dem's gain a super-majority in the Senate, I see 4-8 years of super-duper affirmative action, increased hostility between racial groups and an irreversable movement towards the Socialist States of America. But, on the positive side, we will prevent Bill Clinton from assuming his third term as president.

 

Forgot one!

After watching Obama's speech I can now fully understand why he doesn't
wear an American flag lapel pin, doesn't hold his hand over his heart
during the National Anthem, his wife isn't proud to be an American, and
why he is so adored by the Democrats.

You forgot to mention that his supporters would rather fly a Cuban flag instead an American one.



"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary." Ernesto "Che" Guevara


Capt., you'll note he never

Capt., you'll note Obama never said GOD BLESS AMERICA in his speech, at the end of his speech, etc.  Seems he does hold hostility to USA! 

 

So THAT's why

Those commie flags are in the background of his pic!
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

With all the points of

With all the points of substance to be discussed on this issue this is what you have to say.

Did you get up this morning and put on your "I got nothing" Tshirt?

I got something

It's called "mockery for dumb statements," though. Obama has plenty of weaknesses & issues. This isn't one of 'em.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

...but Sarc, you must admit BHO overdid a tad...

http://www.reuters.c...

v

...just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed. - BHO

Well, he would not be the first.

And NO side has a monopoly on the flag. I just wish they'd all pay a bit more attention to the Constitution.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Well at least he was able to keep his up!

http://i.l.cnn.net/c...

v

Ferraro is right. Without his black background, Obama would simply be a more glib Dennis Kucinich hovering around the 1% threshold. – Cooltom

What Obama, and other

What Obama, and other 'African Americans' fail to understand, due to their self imposed racial blinders, is that slavery was NOT strictly an American institution. It was created by people (guess where) who existed thousands of years before America was ever founded. It was legal in other countries long after it was banned in America. Slavery is a bad thing, but Africans were not the only peoples ever enslaved.

D

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

Bingo DFTT

I'm always saying the same thing. And slavery isn't a past tense problem either. People also need to remember who sold African slaves to white/European slave traders anyway. Their own people. It was a very small percentage that were actually captured by the traders themselves.

The are multiple examples of

The are multiple examples of slavery in third world countries today as well as human trafficing that still pokes through in the news on occassion.

you must be white to

you must be white to believe those lies.

TIME TO EDUCATE YOU !!!

History only started 300 years ago, and the event that started it was when 500 boats came to the peaceful lush green land of Africa.   There was so much vegitation that it was called "the green land" before Greenland was, really the white vikings stole the name Green land from the balcks.   well as soon as the white man set foot on this lush paradise the land began to die.   With every step of the white man death followed.    It was really a strgane notion because no person had ever seen this so after 2 weeks the land of Africa was turned into the dry arid desert it is now.   

and how dare you say the african blacks sold blak slaves to the white man......black believe in comunity you can see that today in the land of africa.    Well the white man....all of them....said to themselves " wow here is a whole race of people we can keep down...how grand"  so with the help European whites huge hunting parties were sent to hunt blacks and capture them.   This lie that blacks sold blacks needs to be debunked.

 

 "The future is ahead of us, the past is behind us, the present is right now....this is why we need change" 

Red Dragon, I thought history started 1/20/2001!

From all I've read the last few years, I thought history started 1/20/2001!  Was I wrong?

Hey.. I walked into a Star &

Hey.. I walked into a Star & Stripes Flag Store and an Obama speech broke out.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Schools are not inferior

The reason for failure is not the schools. It's the children who attend them. It's not racism. It's individual unwillingess to study.

Obama on Imus

If you had the transcript of Obama being interviewed on the Imus tempest in a teapot, it would show the level of hypocrisy in this man. 

Obama Could Have Done Much Better

Exactly Noel.  Throwing is grandmother under the bus only hurt his chances as well.  Someone said this AM - the pastor's comments were public (& hateful) his grandmother's were private.  The fact that he would sell her out say a lot about the man who wants to be President.  I'm disappointed in Obama and as an Independent can not vote for him unless he fixes this huge blunder.

Great Piece

I think you stated what was obvious to most honest and thoughtful people. Obama made a calulated mistake by converting this to a 1980's race relations issue.

The truth about Obama is that he is expecting us to believe that he is the product of the typical african american experience, when in fact he was brought up by a white mother, white grandparents, had white friends and lived in essentially white neighborhoods. He went to very fine schools and did not have any attachment to that black experience until he decided to emmerse himself in it for political reasons in Chicago.

This was an issue of anti-american and anti-israel rantings. He did not address either and for me that is extremely disturbing.

I have no doubt that if the Democratic Party is dumb enough to hand this guy the nomination, and I have some doubts about that, he will be trounced in the general election.

I must agree with your very

I must agree with your very last statement.  Race wasn't my main issue, but after much research on Obama, I had felt he was the very first ultra liberal who I was willing to 'give a shot' simply due to his seemingly sincere attitude and I hate to say it, but despite his ultra liberal voting record in the past, I appreciated that he would vote 'present' on issues he was blindsided by or issues that he was required to vote on without prior knowledge to it up until just before the actual vote.  I felt, despite our differences in political ideology, that he was at least more honest than most in Washington.

 

Now, however, I feel slightly cheated, I won't lie.  It's not even due directly to his pastor or his pastor's comments.  Indeed, such speech troubles me, especially from someone considered our possible future POTUS's 'spirtiual advisor.'  That said, my rep who handles all my finances and my Roth and retirement fund, he's an ultra liberal, a first generation American-Albanian who LOATHES some of the very same republicans I love.  However, ideology aside, the man is a market genius, sorta confuses me how he could be so yet still be as liberal as he is, but I digress.

My point being, one may associate with many 'crazies' out there, but it does not coorelate to them being in *agreeance* due to their friendship or professional or even spiritual connection.  HOWEVER, as Noel stated, rather than distancing himself from his Pastor's remarks, and using language that found commonality across the racial spectrum, he illuminates racial inequality again.  I for one hoped that Obama would provide solutions to these problems, not simply keep pointing at them and telling us of their existance.  We are aware.  What we *need* is someone with great ideas for *solutions* to such problems, not simply repeating the same old tag line of 'oh its soooo unfair to be a minority, even in today's world.'  I will agree, I think it's much easier for a Caucasian to get ahead.  That said though, let's look at the cause.  Greater percentage in non-broken homes, where two parents are active in their lives.  The passing on of good work ethic.  The stressing of the point that the world owes you nada and its up to YOU to prove your own worth. 

I'm not so niaeve as to pretend racial inequality doesn't exist, but I had hoped, especially after such incendiary language from his pastor, that Obama would use this time to UNITE the races, propose solutions instead of merely complaining about the existance of the problem.  It also is incredibly disheartening to see him take a perfect opportunity to seal his nomination by approaching this as an objective adult, regardless of his party affiliation, and instead, he relies on the ol' faithful of the Democratic party.  Complain about the problems, its the Conservatives who are responsible for the solution.

Twenty years

Barack sat in church for the last 20 years listening to racist and unamerican rhetoric. Now he wants to bring America together? Well, maybe he hasn't realized it but most American are together. We are way further along then he is.

Unity?....I dunno...

http://www.realclear...

...maybe if BHO convinces us we are NOT united, then his message of him being the "uniter" makes more sense?

v

Ferraro is right. Without his black background, Obama would simply be a more glib Dennis Kucinich hovering around the 1% threshold. – Cooltom (NB)

Binxly

Binxly,

That's why I see this as being such a missed opportunity.

Real leaders are measured by how they turn crises into victories. This controversy gave him a stage from which to present himself to white America as the next Martin Luther King Jr. As much as blacks have been waiting for this, so have most white Americans. And, despite the racist spewage of folks on the left, this includes most Republicans and most Conservatives.

As a person that grew up idolizing Martin Luther King Jr., and cried with my entire family the day he was shot, I feel cheated by the last five decades of so-called civil rights leaders. The Reverends Jackson and Sharpton represent absolutely none of King's ideas, ideals, or mores. None. They have both hijacked this movement for their own personal financial gain. Period. As a result, race relations in our nation have stagnated.

Despite his political leanings which I totally disagree with, I could welcome Obama's presidency if he indeed was the next Martin Luther King Jr., and would indeed heal a racial divide that still afflicts this country. He did nothing yesterday to appear so worthy, and, in fact, has dropped many grade levels in my book.

At this point, I hope he beats Hillary for the nomination, because he will be easily defeated by us in November. He showed himself yesterday to be nothing more than a better polished and politically adroit Jackson/Sharpton. Nothing more. He clearly sees a black America, and a white America. And this is not what King dreamed of, and not a philosophy that will eventually unite us as a nation.

How sad. ns

Stagnation

Noel,

I do not believe that race relations have stagnated at all. U.S. foreign policy has been run by AA for the last 8 years. The chairmen of major committees in Congress are AA. The CEOs of major corporations and investment banks are AA. Many of the highest paid athletes and entertainers are AA. AA have risen above the victimization attitude of Jackson and Sharpton.

This attitude of victimization is phoney and is being used as an excuse to blame people other than AA.

You are right that Obama receded back into the depths of the '80s Jesse Jackson strategy in order not to directly confront the real issue involving Jeremiah Wright.

If he is the nominee I doubt there is even one state he will win.

Repubs have more AAs in positions of high esteem than Dims

Repubs have more AAs in positions of high esteem than Dims.  I don't see where any Dims have done what Repubs, especially this administration has done, to place AAs in positions of Govt where none have gone before.  But, of course, according to Dims these Repub AAs are just...well we all know the name calling, etc. 

Gat

Gat,

I'm not sure I'd measure race relations by achievement of blacks in government and business. After all, it doesn't appear that Rap musicians, most black film directors/producers, and many black pastors care about such achievement, correct?

It seems to me there's a HUGE disparity between achievement and relations as it pertains to race. This is likely one of the really sad hypocrisies, isn't it? As you point out, blacks have been moving ahead on the income and education ladder for many decades. But, folks like Obama, Wright, Jackson, Sharpton, and most in the media don't think so, or, at the very least, don't say so. ns

It's the $$$

After all, it doesn't appear that Rap musicians, most black film directors/producers, and many black pastors care about such achievement, correct?

I'm not sure about pastors but I do know rap musicians and film makers do care about making big money and everything else is for special effects.

Also I am finding it appalling how utterly corrupt the media have become and refuse to report news. They have become a filter for bad press that could affect Obama. 

As you said in a general election his nomination would assure a McCain victory.

Lynn Swann ran for Governor of Penn

Lynn Swann, a person of color, ran for Governor of Pennsylvania. He lost and as far as I can tell, race never became an issue...btw, Swann ran as a Republican.

Having achieved success through sports, playing the black-victim role would not have worked for him.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

And what's worse for Obama

And what's worse for Obama is that he basically failed to provide a difference between himself and Clinton.  I can see Clinton making the exact same speech if one of her associates were outted for gender bigotry.  They are two peas in a pod.  The choice for Dems is simply which victim group is more worthy of PC consideration, Blacks or Females.  Obama missed that opportunity to differentiate himself from the failed PC politics of the past which has locked Blacks and other groups into their ghettos of isolation from the country as a whole.

I guess the question now for Obama is, is there a do over?  Is it possible for him to take another opportunity and make it right?  Or will no one believe him after this failure?

Here's a proposition to Blacks and Females who continue to be taken for granted by the Dem Party, come to the Repub Party and follow the solutions we have laid down, follow the rules of success and see what happens.  You have had 50 years of rhetoric from the Dem Party, what has it really gotten you? You are the ones complaining life isn't better. What's to loose?  Life is not fair, you have to make it fair, no one is going to hand you success just because you exist.  We promise it will be hard, it will take lots of time and effort on your part, it will require taking responsibility for the consequences of your own actions and we promise once you get a piece of the pie, a whole lot of people who didn't put forth the effort will try to pick your pockets and lay a guilt trip on you because of the income disparity.  Just ask Bill Cosby.

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Amen to that Brother dscott

Amen to that Brother dscott!  Look at the AAs that have moved to the Repub party, they have been given a chance to speak their ideas, to run for positions, to be placed in positions, etc.  Opportunity knocks for many more, so as Bob Barker used to say "COME ON DOWN"!

 Noel, "The Reverends

 Noel,

"The Reverends Jackson and Sharpton represent absolutely none of King's ideas, ideals, or mores."

You're wrong about one thing:  The Reverend Jackson shares one of King's traits:  Adultery.  Can't comment about Sharpton due to lack of information.

Please

Please.  And after such an eloquent statement by Noel which is supported and echoed by most conservatives and Republicans this is your reaction?

Are we to overshadow the wonderful unifying dream of MLK by regurgitating skeletal nightmares from his closet?  Are we to place more significance on open wounds that all men share in one fashion or another rather than strive to achieve the greatness MLK preached was possible.  Leave such hateful bile to the wrong-rev Wright's of the world.  Conservatives should aspire to do better.

Are you so incapable of

Are you so incapable of recognizing such character flaws and hypocrisy as adultery committed by a man of the cloth and plagarism in a doctorasl dissertation?  MLK has feet of clay.  How does he compare with Washington and Lincoln, whose birthdays were collapsed into "President's Day" in order to accomodate the birthday of MLK as a holiday without increasing the number of national holidays?

Spare me your moral outrage.

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King was a great man.  As great as any President we've had.

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"Dr." King through either

"Dr." King through either incompetence or dishonesty, included plagarism in his doctoral thesis, which went undetected by subsequent reviewers until after his death.  Had this been discovered prior to his death, this breach of academic discipline could have resulted in the revocation of his doctorate at the discretion of the awarding institution.  IIRC, this would be Boston Universtity. 

MLK, despite being an ordained Minister of a Christian denomination, was well know to have engaged in adultery and fornication on a scale that would have done the NBA proud.  Consider what hypocrisy of this sort did to the Rev. Jimmy Swaggart then tell me that MLK has received similar treatment from the press.

If incompetence, dishonesty and hypocrisy are your definition of "greatness" then MLK is a "great" man.  If MLK is a great man, then so is that Lothario, Bill Clinton!

If you can't find a President who was a greater man than this, then you have no grasp of the history of this country.  I can think of 5 in pretty short order and yes, Washington and Lincoln would be on that list.

Well

"

[The Constitution of the United States] was stained by this nation's original sin of slavery...

The Constitution was stained?"

How would you describe the document that described humans with a darker skin tone as being worth 3/5 the value of ones with a lighter skin tone? Or that even condoned the practice of owning other humans?

What other word in your vocabulary would you use to describe that document?

sans

sans,

I see it as the best conclusion that a democratic process in the late 1700s could achieve. That is not a stain. It is, instead, an historical reality. Without such verbage, there wouldn't have been a Constitution.

That's how democracy works. It's a give and take. And, the final product is never exactly what all that participated in it wanted. Never. However, to refer to it as a "stain" denigrades democracy, our nation, our Founding Fathers, and all those that died during the Revolutionary War so that this document could be created.

If you see it differently, that is your choice. However, I believe a presidential candidate referring to our nation's most sacred document as "stained" doesn't speak for me or most Americans. ns

 

Noel, remember he never said....

Noel, remember that no where in this speech did BHO ever state or say "GOD BLESS AMERICA"!  Was there a reason not to?

So you see the 3/5 part as

So you see the 3/5 part as more about process than relegating a group as less than human?

I think it's fair to acknowledge that it's an unfortunate part of the Constitution. I don't think black people should still be angry about it, but I think it's fair for them to characterize it as a "stain."

balboa

As I commented below, it wasn't a matter of declaring a group as 3/5 human. In fact, slaves were characterized as even less at the time. The 3/5 fraction was actually an improvement. It was a matter of how slaves would be counted in determining representation. Slavery was a fact of life that came with the British colonists. The founding fathers had every intention of doing better.

P.S. Ya know, a firm understanding of basic U.S. history would solve a lot of the problems that Obama et al keep throwing in our faces. In fact, who wants a man who has such a sparse understanding of our history to be POTUS?

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Again, can't you see how a

Again, can't you see how a black person wouldn't see that as a good thing? How it might be insulting to them?

balboa: Do you mean a black

balboa: Do you mean a black person today, or a black person who was a slave at the time?

 

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Today.

Today.

Yes and No Bal

Today.

Up to speed with world societal norms regarding slavery at the time of writing the Constitution or uneducated?

If the former...no, I don't see how they could take it amiss. White slaves were among the yellow, black, brown and red skinned slaves prevelant in the world at the time - does that make you want to condemn all peoples? 

If the latter...yes, but their outrage should be directed towards their own ignorance of world history not the reality of the world wide acceptability of slavery at the time (see my reply to sans).

balboa: It's only insulting

balboa: It's only insulting if that person doesn't appreciate the historical perspective. It's like some Bible-thumpers who like to pick and choose Bible verses to defend something that, in the full context of Scripture, is not biblical.

What do you recommend, balboa? That the words be struck from the document so as not to offend?

 

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I don't think they should

I don't think they should remove it. Like I said, I don't think black people should still be angry about it. But I can understand how one might be, how one might see the Constitution as stained.

But, if they don't move past it, will blacks in America ever get anywhere? As an example, I bet Jews are still plenty upset at Germany, right? But do they use that as a reason why they're not getting ahead in life? Not that I can see, and I assume there are Jews living in Germany today.

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Because it has already been removed.  But the record of it will remain forever.

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"But I can understand how

"But I can understand how one might be, how one might see the Constitution as stained."

Either Obama knows better or he's too ignorant to be POTUS. He's using the sort of rhetoric that his esteemed pastor uses to inflame those who don't know any better. Obama just uses a softer tone of voice and prettier words.

 

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Well said your Grace.

BTW - Just completely ignore the sweepstakes that Mark Levin is running on his website :)   Unless of course you agree to take me to Disney World if you win.

I'd say its fair for any

I'd say its fair for any African American to take offense to that and refer to that *particular* portion of the constitution a 'Stain.'  I do agree that annoyance aside, we should be able to move forward from this and that particular passage shoud be realized as a 'bad' part of history, yet we should ALL be aware that the past is past and no future can be built on the bitterness of the past.  It's as solid a foundation as shifting sands.

 

Basically Im in the middle on that issue.  Its deplorable to just want to treat the 3/5th rule as if it doesn't exist, or downplay it's disgusting nature, but again, last I checked, it's the 21st century, not the late 1700s.....

...the "Stain" was removed in 1865...

Superseded
Following the Civil War and the abolition of slavery by the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution (1865), the three-fifths clause was rendered moot. Section 2 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution (1868) later superseded Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3. It specifically states that "Representatives shall be apportioned ...counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed..." Wiki

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just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed. - BHO

3/5

Now, I'm having to dig into the recesses of my memory here, but I do believe that the reason slaves were only counted as 3/5 of a person was so that there would not be more representatives of slave-states in Congress than there were representatives of non-slave states.  Slave holders wanted each of their slaves to count as a whole person to increase their representation.  Non-slave holders didn't want slaves to count as a person at all so that slave-states wouldn't have more representatives than they had.  Thus, the compromise was that a slave would count as 3/5 of a person.  It had nothing to do with a slave's worth as a human being, and everything to do with the slave's worth as a warm body occupying a congressional district.

Again, it's been years since my last American History class, please someone correct me if I'm remembering wrong.

You remember correctly. 

You remember correctly.  Actually, it's ironic that the same thing is happening just using a different method, the Caucuses.  Does it not strike you as strange why anyone would disenfranchise most of the population so a small group of people get to decide for everyone else who the party nominee will be and then count their votes as being of the same weight as though everyone voted?  Then we have the Dem super delegates to pass the same leverage in confirmation over the primary voter's popular choice of nominee.  These are all means to leverage the choices of the few over that of the majority.  That's not Democracy, that's manipulation.

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Great Post Noel

I'm quite sure if the politically-focused democrat(ic) leadership that exists today governing on which way the popular wind blows had been drafting the Constitution, they would have been more concerned with what the rest of the world thought than assessing what percentage of value to award a slave.  In fact based on today's self-serving career politicians on both sides of the aisle, the case could be realistically made awarding slaves any degree of value in the Constitution would be political suicide at the time.

At that particular time in history the sin of slavery was quite acceptable from the remotest regions of Africa to the trendy avenues of Europe, regardless of the color of one's skin (a vast number of white-skinned slaves were held through-out the world at the time which is conveniently overlooked by some in search of victimhood).  Under those VERY REAL political/societal demands, our Constitutional writers were fortunate they could award any percentage of citizenry to a slave.  Ironically, after all the blood spilled to end slavery in America, one of the few areas left in the world where slavery is still socially acceptable is located in Africa. So spare me the light skin versus dark skin argument. 

In context of prevailing societal norms at the time, I don't see a slave being awarded 3/5 the value of non slaves a stain but quite innovative if not ahead of its time.

Damn good post Noel.

I learned from Mark Levin

I learned from Mark Levin yesterday that the 3/5 fraction was a matter of compromise between those in the north who were opposed to slavery and those in the south who were not. It was a political move meant to assure fair representation on both sides.

The founding fathers were charged with establishing a new country, beginning with the circumstances of the time. How productive would it have been to fight a war of independence and a civil war over slavery at the same time?

Levin also pointed out the blood that was shed during the Civil War - the blood of men of every color. Wasn't that enough penance for slavery?

P.S. The concept of original sin is that all generations of humankind are tainted by Adam's fall. I don't see that this is a proper analogy for slavery. Methinks that Mr. Obama has been influenced more profoundly by his pastor than he is willing to admit - twisting biblical principles for political purposes. I don't hear the liberal pundits decrying Obama's use of the Bible in public discourse. But this is the way of the far left. They step in it and then just walk off pretending that no one will notice the smell.

 

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You beat me to it, Queen

You beat me to it, Queen Mum!

Sorry, Alabama. Didn't mean

Sorry, Alabama. Didn't mean to step on any toes. I have a bad habit of jumping around a thread instead of following in an orderly fashion. :)

 

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You've got a point.  The Northern Yankee States did indeed think so poorly of African Americans that those Yankee states succeded in forcing the 3/5ths compromise down the throats of the Southern States.

So if there is a flaw in the original document, we can thank the North.

(Though I'm being historically correct in presenting these facts, you'll notice how easily the truth can be twisted to defend a given view)  There are usually more than two sides to any story.

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sans, it was not the

sans, it was not the Constitution that Obama quoted, it was the Declaration of Independence. So in fact, he was wrong. And your assumption he was talking about the Constitution is also wrong. Slavery is not addressed in the Declaration of Independence. He is running for president, he should know the diffrence between the documents. If he dosent, he has no business running for the office. I dont trust anyone that is only half-american to be president.

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The Cringe Factor

It's not your grandmother who makes me cringe.

It's you, sir, for betraying her.

A grandson who makes his grandmother cringe - not in my oval office.

 

I had to wait until some

I had to wait until some sanity from a few talking heads came on towards evening here to finally have some adult conversation with the reality of the so-called pathetic speech Obama gave yesterday morning...

Glen Beck was the starting point for me...BOR disappointed me but I wasn't surprised, H&C finally presented the truth about the race filled rhetoric Obama spewed...

The msm are really living in a different world....one that is not set in any reality whatsoever...of course this is the guy they have decided on, they have set their goals on him and come hell or high water he is going to be Prez...

NOT!

What Obama did yesterday was absolutely outrageous in so many ways...mainly he just covered his arse, still stood beside Wright and his hate preach..blamed the white race for all ...attempted to deflect what he was supposed to be addressing concerning Wright and his partnership with him and the Trinity Church, when he was or wasn't present during the hate-filled preach of Wright's....threw his own blood under the bus...

Unbelievable...all of this....including the pathetic talking heads and supporters of this guy.

Almost zero reponsibility placed on blacks for...

Almost zero reponsibility placed on blacks for their own self-segregation, as America watches people from all over the world - India, Boznia, Mexico, Iraq...wherever, assimilate successfully into society, raising families, sending their kids to college, etc etc.

No mention of things Bill Cosby brings up like the complete disintegration of the black family, overtly racist and self-defeating attitudes like "quit acting white" (meaning "quit bettering yourself") and "don't snitch" (don't cooperate with police when we murder each other - Police are all bad - We'll blame the whole problem on racist, jail-building America later anyway).'

90% of Obama's speech was "Y'all have to understand why the rev feels the way he does. If you don't try to empathize with him, we'll never bridge the chasm that YOU'VE created."

Amen again

Like I said earlier, the speech had no substance other than throw RACE into the fray for the election.  Now if BHO isn't nominated, the DIMS look like racists.  That'll never happen!  So if BHO loses general election, it's those darn racists Repubs that kept him from aspiring to greatness.  BHO played the RACE CARD to the fullest yesterday!

wealth?

"Amass meaningful wealth to bequeath"????

 Since when are descendants from slaves the only Americans who had to work their way up? I don't have any meaningful wealth" bequeathed to me, either did my parents or their parents. They were all pretty poor actually.

My Irish ancestors faced almost as much discrimination in the Eastern cities as black people, so they worked their way west on the railroad. Even after several generations, none of their descendants is what anyone would call wealthy.

My Italian great-grandparents also started out with nothing around the turn of the century. They did OK until my great-grandfather died suddenly at the age of 44 leaving my great-grandmother pregnant with 3 children. The corrupt city of Chicago stole everything from her (women had no rights then) forcing her to work 2 jobs and her children to work, just to keep food on the table. My grandmother lost her pinky toes from wearing charity shoes that were too small while she was growing up. When she was in high school, she worked full-time for the phone company and even took a year off of school to work overtime. And they also faced discrimination, dropping the ending "O" from their name to seem less Italian.

And this crap is coming from a man who's African father abandoned him to his white mother and white grandparents to raise and provide a cushy life. Poor him!

You might want to listen to

You might want to listen to the second half of the speech, where Obama specifically addresses the fact that plenty of white americans who had the immigrant experience are resentful of affirmative action programs because no one ever handed them anything due to their race. He legitimizes the feeling by explaining the context, and then reaffirms that we need to move past these resentments just as the black community needs to move past their own resentment over the past.

He very specifcally did NOT say that descendants from slaves were the only ones who had to work their way up. 

 

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But I was still waiting for him to denounce both David Duke and Reverand Wright.

Can't respect anyone who rides with either of these two.

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Wow.

The same things conservatives have been saying for years. What a new leader Obama is!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

So why then is he not

So why then is he not proposing to abolish affitrmative action?

Obama is full of BS.  Can't you recognize BS when you are confronted with it?

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Oh, nevermind. It isn't worth the effort.

Then don't make the post.

Then don't make the post.

I'm going to say this

I'm going to say this straight up, I thought the speech was incredible. I was inspired, I was excited to have a politician talk to me like I was an intelligent adult capable of understanding complicated issues. I was amazed to hear a candidate for national office talk about racial resentment from the perspective of both the black and white community.

I don't think there's anything unpatriotic about referring to discussion of slavery in the constitution as a stain. Conservatives especially practically hold that document as a sacred text, and yet there are parts of it that no one suggests we interpret strictly, that no one brags about or feels proud of. I don't think that the founding fathers should have done better. The document they created was an amazing feat. But we were a country that owned slaves at the time, that's a stain in our history and it is reflected in our most important document. Acknowledging that does not disrespect the document or the people who crafted it.

As for Obama talknig about the disadvantages faced by a community despite the fact that he didn't personally suffer them, so what? I am sick and tired of this conservative idea that rich people can't care about poor people without being hypocrites. The concept of sympathy, feeling for people despite not having shared the same experiences, doesn't work for you? Only poor people can care about poor people? Only people who worked their way up from the bottom can recognize the problems of people at the bottom and want to change them? Well, I'm sorry, but if only the people who have personally felt all of the most tragic realities of life are allowed to demand change then we won't have enough people to change anything. We need people with privilege to care about people without it.

I recognize that his discussion of white resentment isn't going to play well with this audience, because his explanation is a very liberal one. But after months of complaining that it's okay for blacks to be racist but not whites, it's okay for Obama's pastor to say something inflammatory but not an evangelical preacher, after all of the whining I've heard on this site about a double standard of acceptability, can't one of you at least come forward and say "Hey, at least he acknowledged that this isn't just a black issue, that there are plenty of whites in this country with just as much reason to resent the system as any person of any other color." I've NEVER heard a politician talk about this issue, and damnit it's refreshing!

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After 20 years of supporting the gospel of racial hatred?  No, getting caught in bed fondling the gospel of racial hatred, he was forced to play his race card to get himself out of his jam.

Yes, it's OK for preachers to say things inflammatory.  But they better have something to back it up.

If it is your claim you could continue to attend Klan meetings for 20 years, and take your two little girls with you, I understand what you're saying, but certainly don't agree.

If you couldn't sit in those Klan meetings for 20 years without turning your back on it, you're kidding yourself about the Senator from Illinois.

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CP

CP,

You think it's extraordinary that a liberal, black politician would point out that there are white people unhappy with the system? Excuse me, but the entire liberal agenda for decades has been to talk about black and white people resentful of the system. Or do you forget Clinton's "People are sick and tired of being sick and tired."

This is the Democrat motif for decades. Yet, you've NEVER heard a politician talk about this issue?

Watch TV much?

As for you being sick and tired of conservatives complaining about rich liberals supposedly caring for poor people, let me speak for all conservatives that are sick and tired of rich, well-educated, self-made liberals telling people that the system is stocked against them getting a good education and being successful. If you don't see the hypocrisy in this, color me unsurprised, for you just admitted that you've never heard a politician talk about something that politicians have been discussing for decades. ns

Wrong. Liberals talk a

Wrong.

Liberals talk a lot about whites unhappy witrh the system, yes. But when have you ever heard anyone say that that is a legitimate cause of racist feelings against minorities who are seen as getting special treatment? Most liberals wouldn't dream of saying anything that might be construed as excusing racist sentiment among whites, while saying lots of things that excuse racist sentiment among blacks. I've heard that complaint here a dozen times.  Obama left the politically correct safe-zone, and I was honestly shocked and impressed.

Similarly, conservatives might rail against affirmative action programs, but they would never admit to feelings of resentment towards the minorities themselves because of fears of being called racist.

Obama took two sides of the same coin, and admonished us to move past them without discounting or dismissing them. He didn't take several easy ways out in that speech, including the one you so thoughtfully wrote out for him.

CP

CP,

Forgive me, but the clever is missing in your SN today. Ever heard of a man named Bill Clinton? He gave many speeches about affirmative action when he was president that addressed this very issue. Here's one from July 1995:

There are people who honestly believe that affirmative action always amounts
to group preferences over individual merit; that affirmative action
always leads to reverse discrimination; that ultimately, therefore, it
demeans those who benefit from it and discriminates against those who
are not helped by it
. I just have to tell you that all of you have to decide how
you feel about that, and all of our fellow countrymen and women have to
decide as well. But I believe if there are no quotas, if we give no
opportunities to unqualified people, if we have no reverse
discrimination, and if, when the problem ends -- the program ends, that
criticism is wrong. That's what I believe. But we should have this
debate and everyone should ask the question. (Applause.) Now let's deal with what I really think is behind so much of this debate today. There are a lot of people who oppose affirmative
action today who supported it for a very long time. I believe they are
responding to the sea change in the experiences that most Americans have
in the world in which we live.

If you say now you're against affirmative action because
the government is using its power or the private sector is using its
power to help minorities at the expense of the majority, that gives you
a way of explaining away the economic distress that a majority of
Americans honestly feel. It gives you a way of turning their resentment
against the minorities
or against a particular government program,
instead of having an honest debate about how we all got into the fix
we're in and what we're all going to do together to get out of it.

That's just one speech of his on this subject quite similar to what Obama said on Tuesday. Frankly, I could find many such by Clinton and other politicians during the 90s. Obama said nothing new on this subject on Tuesday. I have heard MANY politicians in the past several decades discuss white resentment of this program. You're kidding yourself if you think this was a novel idea presented by Obama. Like so many that become sadly mesmerized by Obama's word, you were just taken by the presentation. ns

Nowhere in that statement

Nowhere in that statement does Clinton suggest that resentment against minorities might be understandable. He mentions it only as a tactic, a manipulation. Americans are MADE to feel resentment against minorities by people trying to oppose affirmative action.

If you think that's the same as what Obama said the other night, then you need to reread the speech a couple of times.

And while you're at it, try watching it. He's not a hypnotist, you won't be mesmerized by his words and lose all ability to reason, but speeches are meant to be delivered, not read, and the way things are nuanced through tone and pace can legitimately affect their meaning. I'll admit that I'm taken by the presentation. The idea of a president who can speak like an intelligent adult, both on script and off the cuff, fills me with joy. I'm proud of my country when I hear Obama speak, cheesy as that sounds, as opposed to mildly embarrassed when I listen to Bush try to talk about complicated issues. But despite those feelings I think I am capable of evaluating the words he's speaking just like anyone else. I think it is disingenuous to explain away differences of opinion about this speech simply on the basis of whether we heard or read it.

CP

CP,

Yeah, I figured you'd say that. After all, my previous experience with you has been me pointing out examples of how you're wrong, and you coming back with "That didn't prove anything."

If I recall, that's why I stopped responding, because trying to have an intelligent conversation with you seems mostly like hitting a tennis ball against a brick wall.

The reality is that I could spend all day finding examples of politicians saying virtually the same thing Obama said Tuesday, and you'd find some "nuance" to discredit the similarity. For instance, here's how the Boston Globe depicted a speech by John Kerry given at Yale in 1992 (emphasis mine):

In a blunt break from standard liberal dogma, Sen. John Kerry said last night that an excessive focus on ineffectual affirmative action programs has helped foster a culture of dependency among residents of the inner city and cost the civil rights movement its vital multiracial consensus. [...]

When it comes to the American underclass, it is time to look past affirmative action, Kerry said. "We cannot hope to make further racial progress when whites believe that it is they and not blacks that suffer most from racial discrimination." [...]
"The fact is that in 1992 the majority of the white majority in this country doesn't want to address the issues. They don't want to invest more of their scarce tax dollars in those programs that fail," he said. "It would be simple . . . to blame all this on racism, and there is no doubt that white racism persists in our society, that it is ugly and insidious and present everywhere."

"Where once Martin Luther King could depict the struggle for equal rights as a mighty battle between good and evil, a battle where pot-bellied sheriffs and attack dogs squared off against hymn-singing children dressed in their Sunday best, today the civil rights arena is controlled by lawyers and the winners and losers determined by . . . rules most Americans neither understand nor are sympathetic with," Kerry said. "This shift in the civil rights agenda has directed most of our attention and much of our hope into one inherently limited and divisive program: affirmative action."

But, he said, "We must be willing to acknowledge publicly what we know to be true: that just as the benefits to America of affirmative action cannot be denied, neither can the costs. Too many politicians, particularly in my own party, have not acknowledged those costs for fear of undermining the very goals of affirmative action," said Kerry. "By that failure, we send a message to many of those who feel alienated or abandoned by their government that we simply don't care about them, and that we don't realize that it is they, far more than we, particularly when the we is the government, who have borne the burden of compliance with the law. The truth is that affirmative action has kept America thinking in racial terms."

Citing the Senate debate on the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Kerry argued that affirmative action was never meant to result in racial quotas. But "not only by legislation, but by administrative decree and court order, a vast and bewildering apparatus of affirmative action rules and guidelines has been constructed. And somewhere within that vast apparatus conjured up to fight racism there exists a reality of reverse discrimination, that actually engenders racism," he said.

"There is no question that this reality has been exaggerated by subjective perception and by people who have played on the stereotypes and by politicians eager to exploit it, but out of that reality has come a resentment that is real and widespread and dangerous," said Kerry. "It is a resentment fed by memories of court-ordered busing and images of riots and looting and raised fists and by a sense of being singled out to compensate for historical sins which today's white workers did not commit.

"If we truly care about racial progress . . . and about our cities, we must rebuild the consensus that brought us the civil rights movement in the first place. . . . We cannot equate fear of crime . . . with racism and then expect those we have called racists to invest in the very neighborhoods they have fled," said Kerry. "We cannot deride as politically incorrect the anger of taxpayers who work hard to support their families and then find themselves supporting generations of welfare families as well."

I'm sure you'll come back with something inane like, "That's not what Obama said." Frankly, I'm breathless with antici......pation. ns

CP

CP,

Thanks for challenging me to find more evidence of your errancy: http://newsbusters.o...

Makes a nice little article, dontcha think?!? LOL! ns

You're welcome again!

You're welcome again!

Actually, the last 2

Actually, the last 2 paragraphs completely support your assertion. That was the point that I thought was important, not that whites could be made to feel racist or that racism is ugly and terrible, but that the resentment underlying those expressions is real and legitimate and a result of poverty no matter what the race of the people suffering it.

So despite the aspersions you insist on casting on my intelligence and coversational skills, I'll concede the point that the things Obama said were not completely unheard of before he came on the scene. I still think it was an important speech. While you saw his drawing equivalency between racist feelings in different communities as a way of excusing one of them, I see it as an attempt to increase understanding between groups that often fail to empathize with one another. It was both personal and far-reaching, and as I said before, refused to take the easy way out of any aspect of the problem.

And as it turns out, hitting a ball against a wall is a great way to improve your tennis game. So you're welcome ;)

CP

CP,

Actually, when I was really into tennis, I got a lot better hitting that ball against that wall. :-)

This should be a lesson for both of us, and maybe the beginning of a more productive and enjoyable relationship. As I'm sure you've witnessed, I have a lot of liberal friends here. Care to be one of them? We might both end up the better for it. ns

Hey, I'll give it a

Hey, I'll give it a shot!

But fair warning, global warming seems to be your main issue here, and it's the issue that I first came to NB to fight. I think it would be hard for two people to disagree more completely than we do when it comes to global environmental policy, so I won't be pulling any punches!

But I'm always in favor of polite discourse when disagreeing and I'm friends with plenty of people who disagree with me about things. Not global warming, maybe, but things ;)

CP

CP,

Yeah, I think we ought to avoid discussing AGW if we want to be friends. We're WAY on opposite ends of that one! Kind of like me discussing gender politics with a feminist. :-) ns

Well Clever, you seem to be

Well Clever, you seem to be missing the point of Noel's and other people posting here, that being playing the victim card.  Let me push this point a little further since Obama's white granny was said to express "fear" of black males walking down the street.  Fear breeds hatred which leads to racism when it is generalized and pervasive when you view the world around you as oppressive because of seeing yourself as the victim.  Rev. Wright is expressing this exact same message about whites as Obama's white granny.  Where you and Obama fall down on this response is characterizing this as everyone does it and thus the behavior is excusable.  So what you and Obama have actually said is that if I view myself as a victim I have the right to act inappropriately and thus with this thinking race relations will always be a source of contention.   

Now pay attention to what I just said and apply this victim thinking to white hate groups, specifically the KKK and Aryan Nation.  They think and talk exactly the same as Rev Wright but instead of naming whites as the villains, they name blacks, jews and foreigners as the villains.   I challenge you to do a word substitution with Rev Wright's quotes, where ever he says "white(s)" insert the words "Blacks and Jews".  Then read the statement back to yourself and ask yourself the question, would this statement be consistent with the claims of the KKK?  If it is, then you understand what we are talking about. The claim of victimization is just an excuse to vilify others without taking personal responsibility for the consequences of their own choices.  That is what we as conservatives object to.  What we see in Rev. Wright is no different than we see in the KKK, we abhor both and find it inexcusable that Obama not only defends this type of thinking but in fact embraces it.  He talks a good game about change and as a Black man running for president proves the potential of what most people in this country believes that anyone can be president if the drive is there. However, his soft pedaling of Rev. Wright makes his entire candidacy a sham and plays right into the Clintons hands.  They knew this and that's why Bill started the race baiting.

 

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

Here's more cleverpig

We can no longer give Obama the benefit of believing he's honest about anything.

A 20 year relationship with a racist church and pastor is absolutely a show of support for the tenets espoused therein and therefrom. 

There can be no mistake Obama's presence at these Black Klan meetings lent substantial legitimacy to Rev. Wright's victim message.

Because of his regular obeisance and submission to Wright's message of racial hatred, we cannot assume Obama has sufficient judgment capacity to make the decisions necessary to keep us safe.

Make your case against mere visits to Bob Jones Univ, and Rev. Hagee if you will, but for 20 years Obama drank liberally from the milk of human hatred flowing freely from the infected mind of Jeremiah Wright.

I will not forgive Rev. Wright or Obama for having sowed the seeds of doubt within me.  Allowing for political expedience the question to hang that maybe, this same message is heard weekly by much of black America.  Donna Brazile, Rev. Butts, and Eleanor Clift say this is so

I now have friends I must confront.  Do I want to know the answer?  Maybe not, but it is something I must know.

♣ a seal

cleverpig,

As Noel and Cool pretty much have this covered, answer me this:

Does it not concern you that the former "messiah," whose halo is now tarnished to a point beyond retrieval, was willing to shamlessly throw his still-living, ailing grandmother under the bus in order to score a few cheap political points?

If this man will so casually sell out his own grandmother, what makes you think he will even bat an eye when it comes to selling you, me, or any one else in this country, right down the river?

Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!

Oh for goodness sakes, he

Oh for goodness sakes, he didn't throw his grandmother anywhere! He said that people of her generation grew up in a different time, and sometimes they say things that make us cringe, but we love them anyway and acknowledge that the sentiments we find so hard to accept are understandable given the world in which they lived. So what?

You know what? My grandparents said some racist things when they were alive. I didn't challenge them or think poorly of them, because I understood that they were good people without hatred in their hearts who learned some lies from previous generations when they were growing up. I thanked my lucky stars that I grew up learning different, more tolerant truths about people and I loved them anyway.

There, did I just betray my ancestors? Are they rolling in their graves and crying out for justice? Hardly. We love our families even when they aren't perfect, and acknowledging their imperfections isn't disrespectful, any more than it is unpatriotic to acknowledge problems in our country.

cleverpig,

Well, hopefully someday down the road, BHO will get his hatred under control, and rejoin the realm of the civilized and perhaps salvage somewhat of a political career. Of course, that will be up to the voters in Illinois to decide, as his national political aspirations are now down the drain.

In the mean time, do you think it possible to petition Matthew for a new SN?

Seriously.

Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!

What, and deprive you all of

What, and deprive you all of making the same terribly clever puns out of my name over and over again? That would just be mean!

cleverpig,

Well, at least I made the effort.

Oink, squeal, belch and fart. :-)

Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!

Noel....You are a wise and

Noel....You are a wise and eloquent proponent of conservative views, and your analyses of political--not to mention, economic--issues are consistently well-reasoned and compelling.  But I must respectfully dissent from your central thesis set forth in this particular blog/essay--and, by extension, with various observations made by other posters in this and related threads. 

I say this as one who--expressly, at this website--has been critical of Obama regarding the Reverend Wright controversy; critical of the black community for its pervasive victimization obsession; and critical of the Democratic party for its all-too-frequent penchant for playing the "race card".  I have listened closely to Obama's address in its entirety, and have subsequently read and reread the full transcript of his words.  It is not a "perfect" speech.  Reasonable minds may differ as to whether or not it is a "great" speech.  But it is at the very least a "good" speech...and an important one--positive and inclusive in tone, and really quite remarkable in the degree to which the odious statements of Reverend Wright are thoroughly and emphatically repudiated; and for its admissions of culpability and complicity within the African-American community for perpetuating the racial chasm which exists in, and continues to divide, this nation.

Issue:  Did Obama appropriately and effectively denounce and distance himself from the words of Reverend Wright?

That he did so should not even be the subject of debate.   He did so--not once or twice--but repeatedly, throughout the course of his remarks [Italicized words below are my emphasis]:

1.)  "Reverend Wright used incendiary language to express views which have the potential to widen the racial divide, [and]...denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation; that rightly offend white and black alike."

2.)  "I have already condemned, in uneqivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright..."

3.)  "...the remarks that have caused the recent firestorm weren't simply controversial.  They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice.  Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country--a view that sees white racism as endemic and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America...."

4.)  "As such, Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together...."

5.)  "[to ignore race would be] making the same mistake Reverend Wright made in his offending sermons about America--to simplify and stereotype and amplify the negative to the point that it distorts reality."

6.)  "The profound mistake of Reverend Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society.  It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made...as if this country...is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past....What we...have seen is that America can change.  That is the true genius of this nation."

Not in my lifetime have I witnessed a more comprehensive repudiation by a politician of statements made by an associate or sympathizer.

Issue:  Should Obama have completely severed his relationship with Reverend Wright?

Maybe.  It is certainly a fair question.  But, remember, this is a man who had been very instrumental in introducing Obama to Christianity, who had officiated at his wedding, and baptized his children.  The late Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson have had a long history of making inflammatory, insensitive, and divisive comments.  Should they have been continually denounced by other conservatives [they were on occasion] or made pariahs within the Republican party?  Obama would argue that we should not judge the whole person by a single snapshot, or by only focusing on his or her worst moments.  (However, I will readily concede that Wright had quite a few "bad" moments.)

Issue:  Did Obama place all the blame on white people for America's racial divide, or for the failures in the black community?

Absolutely not!  Referring to Trinity Church, Obama explains that "the church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.  He later notes, "a lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one's family, contributed to the erosion of black families--a problem that welfare policies for many years may have worsened.

Obama also discusses the anger and resentment that are the historical legacies of discrimination, and, significantly, notes that this anger "is exploited by politicians, to gin up votes along racial lines"....and that the anger is not always productive.  Indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition, and prevents the African-American community from forging the alliances it needs to bring about real change."  [How often have you heard a Democratic politician, a presidential candidate no less, say anything like that?]  With these words, Obama has taken a swipe at liberal welfare programs, acknowledged African-American complicity in perpetuating their social pathologies, and lobbed a verbal grenade at [black and white Democratic] politicians who have exploited black resentment.

Obama goes on to examine a corresponding anger in the white community--and he doesn't question the authenticity of that anger--citing examples such as busing, lost job opportunities or college admission because of affirmative action for minorities, and realistic fears about urban crime.  He mentions that these [justified] resentments played a role in the forging of the Reagan Coalition.  Obama wasn't condemning the phenomenon--simply stating a fact.  Moreover, while he did criticize conservative talk show hosts for dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice, he also concedes they have "unmasked bogus claim of racism."  He concludes this portion of his speech thusly: 

"And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns--this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding." 

The Constitution is indeed a masterpiece...an unparalleled achievement in providing a framework of governance for this grand experiment in democracy and defining our Republic.  But the reality of slavery and how slaves were to be considered in determining representation was indeed a stain on our society and the document itself.  To argue that fractionalization was actually a positive balancing measure misses the point.  One might as well argue that the murderous rampage of Jack the Ripper benefited London by tamping down the prostitution problem.  The inescapable truth is that slaves were considered, and treated as, chattel--pieces of property to be owned, bought and sold.  A Civil War, which was primarily fought to preserve the Union, resulted in slavery's eradication.  But institutionalized racial discrimination continued in parts of the country well into the 1960's.   The after-effects--rightly or wrongly--still haunt and divide us.  I think Obama is determined to help put that legacy completely behind us.  Consider the following words which he spoke:

"But I have asserted a firm conviction--a conviction rooted in my faith in God and my faith in the American people--that working together we can move beyond some of our old racial wounds, and that in fact we have no choice if we are to continue on the path to a more perfect union."

Sounds like a good idea to me.

Jer

 

 

Now Jer, obviously many of

Now Jer, obviously many of us did not see the nuance of Obama's balancing act you pointed out.  However, I will give him credit and thank you personally for pointing out this little gem:

"a lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one's family, contributed to the erosion of black families--a problem that welfare policies for many years may have worsened."

I agree, a definite grenade.  However, we don't hear the MSM mentioning this, I wonder why? 

Now if Obama wants to engage the majority of the country on this theme he would get somewhere and thus differentiate himself from Clinton.  Let us talk about the lack of opportunity for Black Men and start by acknowledging that many are unemployed, lacking job skills and appropriate attitudes to succeed.  So the part of the solution has to make sure entry level unskilled jobs are available to Black Men in order to get the necessary job experience, attitude adjustment and get them to raise the bar as it were on their goals in life.  That means we must demand of our politicians, all of them, that they uphold the Laws and force out all the illegals who are taking unskilled jobs from "our" poor.  Until you as liberals come to grips with priorities to put "our" poor first, then the country as a whole can not own the problem.  Right now, as long as we stigmatize unskilled entry level jobs as belonging to illegals, you cut off the necessary first step in solving the economic situation of many Black Men.  The sanctuary city movement must come to an end now.  Democrats in particular need to show respect to Blacks instead of taking them for granted and that means ensuring them their proper place in our society.  This is where most conservatives part company with Bush and McCain on the illegal immigration issue, these two lack the respect for "our" poor and put others ahead of them.  That's step 1, no point in talking about the other steps if the politicians aren't willing to respect "our" poor more than the feel good false charity of condoning illegal immigration with such clap trap as it being unreasonable to deport all of the illegals.  What this says to "our" poor is we don't give a crap about you.

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

dscott...Once again I

dscott...Once again I appreciate your thoughtful response.  I agree that the issues of elevated unemployment rates among blacks--and, for that matter, among many whites in certain sectors--is inextricably tied to immigration issues.

Unfortunately, there are no easy answers or ideal solutions.  I do acknowledge, however, that controlling our borders is of paramount importance, and that issue must be addressed first and foremost.

I also recognize that Latinos and Hispanics have an incredible work ethic, and do make important contributions to our economy.

My mom lives in an area where the nursery [plants, shrubbery, etc.] business is critical to the local economy.  She, a staunch conservative, says without the Latino workers, that industry would virtually collapse.  I'm just not so sure there is an availble alternative work force, in sufficient numbers, willing to perform that type of labor.

But I don't deny the problems associated with illegal immigration are real and substantial.

Jer

 

As a conservative, I will

As a conservative, I will not and can not accept the idea that Blacks as a group can not succeed if given the same opportunity as anyone else.  I'm not saying you implied it, however, as long as the four common false notions are pratteled off without instant outrage of the audience, those in charge, making the choices are holding Blacks down.  

False Notion # 1. Blacks due to their implied genetic traits are incapable of success like every other group in this society thus they are entitled to privileged treatment (affirmative action).  Affirmative Action is not just an admission of inferiority, it codifies a racist mind set that Blacks are inferior.  Some may dismiss it as White backlash, however the true racists are those who do not believe in the individual.

False Notion #2.  Blacks due to their genetic and past heritage are lazy, i.e. not industrious. One individual may be more industrious than another, however, it is racist to claim one group is more industrious than the other.

False Notion #3. Blacks are a homogenous group and not individuals.  This is the implied basis of their inferiority, I reject it.

False Notion #4.  There are jobs Americans won't do.  Wrong, every unskilled and semiskilled job set has both illegals and citizens, therefore it is false on it's face.

By claiming other groups like Hispanics and Vietnamese are exceptional due to culture or some other reason is racist in my eyes, because that is saying Blacks are inferior by default.  Saying one group is better at something implies genetic inheritance, and that is bigotry.  Individuals who are Hispanic and Vietnamese responded to their individual situations with personal responsibility to achieve their goals in life, they knew no one else was going to hand it to them.  Every group of humans has their rotten apples, satisfactory people and over achievers. There are Hispanic and Vietnamese rotten apples, just as there are White and Black rotten apples. I reject, as most conservatives do, the notion that a subset of individuals of any group represents the whole.  I, like most conservatives reject group politics because it is inherently racist. 

If Obama wants to differentiate himself from Clinton and actually represent "Change" to unify the country or heal it then he must repudiate the Dem Party vote buying race baiting schemes.  He must repudiate group politics. He must insist, the Law be applied equally to everyone without excuse.  All the illegals must go!  Uphold the Law.  At that point we can address the issue of culture and family but not before since it would be a moot issue.

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

As a centrist/liberal, I'm

As a centrist/liberal, I'm not suggesting that any race or culture is inherently superior to anotber.  Genetic differences are so miniscule that they are irrelevant.  And even if those differences were more pronounced, such fact would never constitute a justifiable basis for discrimination or denying opportunities.

I am well aware that blacks, individually and as a group, given the same options are certainly capable of succeeding as well as anyone else.  My point was simply that immigrants of all races have historically exhibited a profound motivation to "get ahead", and a general willingness to perform labor that might be less enticing to a native population.  Of course, in some cases they were themselves the target of discrimination and forced to accept more menial jobs.

There are myriad social and historical dynamics in play on this issue that could be debated for hours...but, by no means was I implying that blacks are lacking in any intrinsic ability to be just as productive as others of different races, cultures or ethnicities.

Jer

There are myriad social


There are myriad social and historical dynamics in play on this issue
that could be debated for hours...but, by no means was I implying that
blacks are lacking in any intrinsic ability to be just as productive as
others of different races, cultures or ethnicities.

I'll agree there, that blacks vs. other ethnic groups and/or immigrants, in this country, makes this dynamic more complex. But again, at some point (and maybe this presidential race is that point) this has to blow up a bit -- meaning, something that starts REAL dialog (not pandering/left dialog/ue (sp?)) -- for us to start to truly pull away from our own past.

 

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For REAL Change

dscott

the true racists are those who do not believe in the individual.

That's brilliantly stated.

Really, in just those few words I think you've summed up perfectly the twisted, group-think ideology of the left, and probably truly defined "racist" in a way no one has before... and gotten to the core of it's meaning.

 

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Jer

Jer,

To begin with, did you first see his speech or read it? Obviously, you have read it since because you're citing from it. However, which came first for you, the video or the text?

To me, this is an important question, because Obama is an extremely charismatic and charming speaker. However, the rap on him is that his speeches though greatly delivered lack substance.

With that in mind, I intentionally did not watch this speech, but instead read the transcript. And, I must say that I now very much agree with those that believe he's an empty suit. This was a horrid speech in my view belittling every person in the nation, of all shapes, colors, and sizes, that has made a success of their lives without the government's help and without inheriting money.

Frankly, this is the overwhelming majority of Americans, and, as a result, in my view, the overwhelming majority of Americans would be offended if they READ this text rather than watched a great orator deliver it. After all, Jer, a great speaker should be able to tell you you're the lowest piece of slime on the earth and magically elicit a thank you.

Fortunately for Obama, he has this skill, and that's why he's gotten this far. Will it carry him to the White House? With each passing day, I grow more and more confident it won't, for the veneer is beginning to be pealed, and what lies beneath is far from what this fabulous marketer has been selling.

No matter how you slice it, this diatribe was spoken to folks on the left terminally suffering from liberal guilt. However, folks in the middle and on the right that took the time to read the text are likely just as offended as I.

Let me touch on a couple of different points that haven't been already bludgeoned here and elsewhere. This notion that white people have resentment towards black people because of affirmative action is nonsensical race baiting in my view. What Obama did by raising this concept is demote white Americans in order to excuse or explain away resentments that black people still harbor towards whites.

Do you really believe that white folks dislike black people because of affirmative action? I don't, and here's why. First, white liberals love affirmative action. So, that scratches them out. As for white conservatives, their hatred of affirmative action is NOT directed at blacks, but at government officials that created it and continue to coddle it.

How many people have you met in your life that have either lost a job opportunity, not gotten into a college of their choice, or had similar happen to a friend or relative as a result of affirmative action? I've met many in my lifetime, and NOT ONE of them was angry at the black applicant that got the job or college acceptance. Their anger was at the government for imposing such an arbitrary qualification for employment or acceptance.

This idea that white people are angry at black people because of affirmative action is UTTER NONSENSE, and the height of race baiting in my view. This is especially true as Obama certainly isn't for eliminating affirmative action, correct? So, why bring this up if not to incite the liberal guilt in white folks always looking to rationalize why people aren't responsible for their abhorrent behavior? This whole section of his speech was a smokescreen designed to say that the hatred some black people feel towards white people (Wright et al) is acceptable because white people share the same antagonism towards black people. And, it's no surprise that folks on the left bought this canard hook, line, and sinker.

As for this constitutional stain nonsense, I assume you're aware that slavery has existed on this planet for thousands of years? Are Egypt and Egyptians stained for having Jews as slaves? Is all history stained from this? Do we ever get past it?

History is rife with all kinds of behaviors that used to be acceptable that society and civilization eventually deemed not so. Does that mean that all which occurred on this planet that we today deem inappropriate is a stain on history? Then virtually everything in the history of homo sapiens on this planet is a stain.

I'm sorry, but I don't see things that way. I view civilization like a child continually evolving. Much as I hold no anger towards my children for having once lacked muscle control over their rectums and bladders, I don't consider behaviors of our forefathers to be a stain on civilization unless said behaviors had already been deemed unacceptable.

Does that make sense? ns

Much as I hold no anger

Much as I hold no anger towards my children for having once lacked muscle control over their rectums and bladders...

Yikes, Noel, are you accusing our forefathers of lacking rectum and bladder muscle control? "Whoa, that's a stretch", as Leon would say :p

But seriously, nice post.

 

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For REAL change

Noel...I'm going to be gone

Noel...I'm going to be gone for awhile, but I'll go ahead and answer your initial question.  I watched the speech on a video that was linked in one of the blogs.  I later printed out a transcript that Drudge had posted and read it a couple of times.

Obama is an excellent speaker...particularly from a prepared text.  Seeing him and listening to his delivery may have enhanced the experience.  [But I promise I didn't get all gooey-eyed while watching.]  That's not to say I wasn't impressed however.  I honestly felt his words were powerful and moving.

Anyway, more later...

Jer

Noel...I do want to post

Noel...I do want to post some additional comments on this subject, so stay tuned.  In the meantime, I need to grab my racquet and warm up some more against "the wall"....haven't lost a match to it yet.

Later, Jer

Jer

Jer,

That's the thing about that wall. It even gets to a perfect drop shot! :-) ns