'Extraordinary' Obama Speech a 'Gift' for 'Confronting Race in America' with 'Honesty'

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By Brent Baker | March 18, 2008 - 22:29 ET

The ABC, CBS and NBC evening newscasts on Tuesday framed coverage of Barack Obama's speech, in reaction to the furor over the racist, paranoid and America-hating remarks of his long-time pastor, not by focusing on what it says about Obama's true views and judgment but by admiring his success in “confronting” the issue of “race in America” in an “extraordinary” speech. Indeed, both ABC and CBS displayed “Race in America” on screen as the theme to their coverage, thus advancing Obama's quest to paint himself as a candidate dedicated to addressing a serious subject, not explain his ties to racially-tinged hate speech. NBC went simply with “The Speech” as Brian Williams described it as “a speech about race.”

In short, the approach of the networks was as toward a friend in trouble and they wanted to help him put the unpleasantness behind him by focusing on his noble cause. “Barack Obama addresses the controversial comments of his pastor, condemning the words but not the man,” CBS's Katie Couric teased before heralding: “And he calls on all Americans to work for a more perfect union.” On ABC, Charles Gibson announced: “Barack Obama delivers a major speech confronting the race issue head on, and says it's time for America to do the same.” Reporting “Obama challenged Americans to confront the country's racial divide,” Gibson hailed “an extraordinary speech.”

NBC's Lee Cowan admired how “in the City of Brotherly Love, Barack Obama gave the most expansive and most intensely personal speech on race he's ever given,” adding it reflected “honesty that struck his rival Hillary Clinton.” On NBC, Washington Post editorial writer Jonathan Capehart asserted “it was a very important speech for the nation. It was very blunt, very honest” and so “a very important gift the Senator has given the country.” [Updated with Nightline]

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The CBS Evening News, following a lengthy report from Byron Pitts, brought aboard a panel of two from the far-left -- Jim Wallis of Sojourners and Debra Dickerson, a former U.S. News editor who is now a blogger for Mother Jones magazine, plus Jeff Greenfield of CBS News. Dickerson declared: “Obama was brilliant in this speech.” Wallis insisted “the black pulpit is a place of truth-telling about the experience of black people.”

Echoing that theme, ABC's Steve Osunsami centered a story, following the lead story from Jake Tapper and an assessment from George Stephanopoulos, around rationalizing Wright's rants as just typical of what's heard Sundays inside black churches:

There's an understanding among many black parishioners that what happens in the black church -- the sermons, the discourse -- that they are performances of exaggeration; in the words of one black minister: gross hyperbole, but certainly with strands of truth.

The “truth-telling” and “strands of truth” that AIDS was created by the government to kill people of color and 9/11 was America's “chickens coming home to roost?” (See full quotes below.) To say nothing of Wright's praise for the anti-Semitic Louis Farakhan.

Also on ABC, George Stephanopoulos touted Obama's honor: “By refusing to renounce Reverend Wright, that was in many ways an act of honor for Senator Obama.”

Can you imagine such admiration for a conservative candidate associated for decades with a religious figure who believed in separating the races and denounced Jews?

The networks matched the themes pushed in the afternoon by the New York Times and Washington Post. “Criticizing Pastor, Obama Assesses Race in America,” declared the NYTimes.com headline. The WashingtonPost.com headline: “Barack Obama Confronts Racial Division in U.S.” How about “Obama Refuses to Separate Self from Anti-U.S. Hate-Speech Spewer”?

[UPDATE, 1:15 AM EDT, March 19: Tuesday's Nightline featured an “exclusive” interview with Obama in which ABC's Terry Moran tossed softballs and cued up Obama to expound on his views about race. He never challenged Obama on his awareness of Wright's hate speech. (Interview excerpts will also air on Wednesday's GMA.)

Moran trumpeted: “Obama tried the almost impossible in America: He tried to talk about race honestly, about injustice, about white resentment, about black anger.”

Moran also fretted over how “Obama has to worry about” his views on other issues getting “drowned out,” as if that should be the concern of a journalist, as Moran hoped for “another way to think and communicate” about race:

What Obama has to worry about now is that everything he is trying to say that isn't about race -- his views on Iraq, the economy, health care, education -- all that will get drowned out in our old, predictable ways of thinking about race. The big question now for Obama -- and for the rest of us, really -- is there another way, another way to think and communicate across the color line?]

CBS's Katie Couric, and ABC's Jake Tapper, but not NBC's Brian Williams or Lee Cowan, noted how Obama admitted hearing some of the remarks he now condemns, but neither pointed out how Obama thus contradicted what he said in interviews on Friday. From Special Report with Brit Hume on FNC:

MAJOR GARRETT: To a packed auditorium of supporters and reporters, Obama went farther than ever before in admitting that he listened in the pews to sermons from Wright that many might find objectionable.

BARACK OBAMA: Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in the church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely.

GARRETT: But that's a notable re-calibration of Obama's statement to Fox on Friday as to whether he'd ever witnessed the words from Wright he now so strenuously condemns.

OBAMA, ON FRIDAY: None of these statements were ones that I had heard myself personally in the pews.

After barely touching over the last few days the most outrageous of Wright's allegations, ABC, CBS and NBC on Tuesday again provided at best only cursory references to them so anyone relying on those newscasts would be hard-pressed to understand all the fuss.

NBC Nightly News didn't air any soundbites from Wright nor quote him as Brian Williams said Wright made “some” comments which “some” found upsetting: “He's made some comments some find highly objectionable.” Lee Cowan, using “some,” raised “an outcry over inflammatory and, some say, hateful words that his longtime pastor, Jeremiah Wright, had spoken from the pulpit.”

The CBS Evening News viewers heard Wright's “God damn America” and Jeff Greenfield referred to how Wright claimed “AIDS is a government conspiracy.” (Wright's inane paranoia about AIDS: “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color.”) On ABC's World News, anchor Charles Gibson cited “comments cursing America, implying that the U.S. deserved 9/11.” That was the first broadcast network evening newscast reference to Wright's take on 9/11.

In a sermon the Sunday after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Wright suggested America spurred and deserved the attacks:

We bombed Hiroshima! We bombed Nagasaki! And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye....We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yard. America's chickens are coming home to roost.

No part of that far-left, Blame America First language has made it onto the ABC, CBS or NBC evening newscasts since the video became public last Thursday. The March 15 NewsBusters posting, "Instead of Wright, NBC Touts Childhood Pals: 'Good Luck Barry!'," recounted:

Friday night, ABC didn't have anything on Wright, though after Thursday's Good Morning America aired a story by Brian Ross about Wright's rants, Thursday's World News was the only broadcast network evening newscast to touch Wright as Jake Tapper ran this one soundbite from Wright attacking Hillary Clinton: "Barack knows what it means to be a black man, living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a n----er."

Friday's CBS Evening News carried a story by Dean Reynolds which ran the "Not God Bless America, God [bleep] America" before Reynolds explained the close connection between Wright and Obama: "Reverend Wright officiated at Obama's wedding and the baptism of his children and he is described as a mentor for whom Obama took the phrase 'the audacity of hope' for the title of his book."

Saturday's World News and NBC Nightly News (as well as Sunday's World News) ran the "Not God Bless America, God damn America" soundbite. (College basketball meant no CBS Evening News on Saturday, none in the EDT/CDT on Sunday.)

My March 17 NewsBusters rundown, “Ongoing Blackout of Wright's 9/11 Rant, Only ABC Covers Him Monday.”

The teases and intro from ABC and CBS on Tuesday night, March 18, as well as a full transcript of NBC's coverage, the shortest of the three:

ABC's World News:

CHARLES GIBSON, in opening teaser: Welcome to World News. Tonight, Barack Obama delivers a major speech confronting the race issue head on, and says it's time for America to do the same.

...

GIBSON: Good evening. It may turn out to be the seminal speech of his presidential campaign. Barack Obama, in Philadelphia today, took on the issue of race. It was a speech he says he's wanted to make for some time. He made it after inflammatory comments from his preacher, Jeremiah Wright, became widely publicized, comments cursing America, implying that the U.S. deserved 9/11 and attacking American support for Israel. Obama condemned the remarks but praised the preacher himself, and Obama challenged Americans to confront the country's racial divide. An extraordinary speech, and ABC's Jake Tapper reports from Philadelphia.

...

GIBSON: Well, in his speech, Obama complained about the endless loop of snippets from Pastor Wright's sermons, which have been broadcast over and over and reverberated around the Internet. The Senator says they give a distorted picture of the pastor and of his church, and only widen the gulf between blacks and whites in America. Here's ABC's Steve Osunsami.

CBS Evening News:

KATIE COURIC, in opening teaser: Tonight, race and presidential politics. Barack Obama addresses the controversial comments of his pastor, condemning the words but not the man.

BARACK OBAMA: I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community.

COURIC: And he calls on all Americans to work for a more perfect union.

OBAMA: Working together, we can move beyond some of our old racial wounds.

...

COURIC: Good evening, everyone. It may have been the most difficult, risky and important speech of his political career. Barack Obama, the first African-American to have a serious chance of becoming President, today addressed the race issue head on, including the racially charged remarks of his own pastor. Obama acknowledged hearing the remarks at church services, and, while he condemned them, he also tried to put them into context. And he challenged Americans to work together so we can, quote, "move beyond some of our old racial wounds." Our national correspondent, Byron Pitts, begins our coverage....

NBC Nightly News:

BRIAN WILLIAMS, in opening teaser: On the broadcast here tonight, the race. Barack Obama makes the most important speech of his presidential campaign and tackles the issue of his controversial pastor.

...

WILLIAMS: Good evening. This country is currently feeling its way through something entirely new. This is the first time an African-American candidate has a serious, some would say likely, shot at becoming the next President of the United States. So race is an issue in this year's campaign, both in a way that's inescapable and in other ways. The latest controversy has to do with a Chicago minister. He's made some comments some find highly objectionable, and he happens to be Barack Obama's former minister. He married the Obamas and baptized their two children. So what happened today has been coming for some time. Barack Obama gave a speech today about race, which amounted to another first in many ways. We begin here tonight with NBC's Lee Cowan. He's covering the Obama campaign tonight in Philadelphia. Lee, good evening.

LEE COWAN: Well, good evening, Brian. Not a lot of time to savor the speech tonight. The Senator is already on his way down to North Carolina tonight where he'll campaign tomorrow. In fact, he's giving another big speech on foreign policy there tomorrow. But he leaves behind this speech which, as you said, could be one of the most important of his career that will likely be talked about for the rest of this campaign. The symbolism was lost on no one. In the City of Brotherly Love, Barack Obama gave the most expansive and most intensely personal speech on race he's ever given.

BARACK OBAMA: I'm the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas. I am married to a black American who carries within her the blood of slaves and slave owners. I have brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles and cousins of every race and every hue scattered across three continents. These people are part of me, and they are a part of America, this country that I love.

COWAN: But also a part of this country, he said, is a stubborn divide -- a racial stalemate, he called it -- that he says both whites and blacks have contributed to.

OBAMA: The anger is real. It is powerful. And to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.

COWAN: The speech was a political necessity for the Illinois Senator.

Reverend JEREMIAH WRIGHT: Mothers and fathers-

COWAN: It sprang from an outcry over inflammatory and, some say, hateful words that his longtime pastor, Jeremiah Wright, had spoken from the pulpit.

OBAMA: Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in the church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely.

COWAN: That said, though, he refused to drive a wedge between himself and his pastor.

OBAMA: I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother, a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed her by on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

COWAN: Honesty that struck his rival Hillary Clinton.

HILLARY CLINTON: I'm very glad that he gave it. It's an important topic, you know. Issues of race and gender in America have been complicated throughout our history, and they are complicated in this primary campaign.

COWAN: Even her young supporters agreed.

STEVE LUCAS, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: And I give Senator Obama a lot of credit and respect for actually taking a leap of faith in the American people and saying some things that are difficult to talk about.

OBAMA: And if we walk away now, if we simply retreat into our respective corners, we will never be able to come together and solve challenges like health care or education or the need to find good jobs for every American.

COWAN: Now, Brian, a lot of people describe this as much an outline of his presidency as it was a response to the Wright controversy. But these kind of speeches take a little while to percolate down to the electorate, so it could be some time before anyone can say for sure whether the Senator did what he had to do today. Brian?

WILLIAMS: Lee Cowan starting us off in Philadelphia, the scene of today's speech. Lee, thanks. And with us tonight for some perspective on what we heard today from Senator Obama, Joe Scarborough, former Republican Congressman and, these days, of course, the host of Morning Joe on MSNBC. And from the Washington Post, editorial writer Jonathan Capehart. Jonathan, let's start with you. What did you make of today's speech?

JONATHAN CAPEHART, Washington Post: I thought today's speech by Senator Obama was certainly the most important speech of his career, but I do also think it was a very important speech for the nation. It was a very blunt, very honest, very open speech that really put out into the open the furtive conversations and furtive thoughts on both sides of the racial divide that have been going on for generations. And to have it out there, out in the open and in black and white for people to read for years to come, I think, is a very important gift the Senator has given the country.

WILLIAMS: And, Joe, you devoted a substantial portion of this morning's broadcast to a preview. Now that you've seen it, what did you think?

JOE SCARBOROUGH: Well, it made history. And certainly it's a speech that a lot of people think he needed to make. The question's not, though, how we're going to react in Georgetown or Manhattan or other areas. It's how they're going to react in Youngstown, Ohio; Scranton, Pennsylvania; Jacksonville, Florida. These are the Reagan Democrats that voted for Bill Clinton twice, that voted for Ronald Reagan twice, voted for George W. Bush twice. There is white resentment there. The question is: How do they respond to Reverend Wright? And how do they respond to that speech today? I think they may, may not respond quite as well as we respond here.

WILLIAMS: Jonathan, quick last word. It was called, in our setup piece, a political necessity. Does that change what was in the speech?

CAPEHART: It was a political necessity, but I'm still not clear -- and I'm trying to still processing what exactly that means politically for the Senator -- I don't know if it did 100 percent what he needed it to do.

—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center

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Cover your eyes children,

Because tonight, the media is engaged in a virtual orgy of Obama verbal felatio. If these people are "critical thinkers", than the MSM is is much more trouble than we ever thought.

Obama has to be laughing

Obama has to be laughing his a$$ off right about now.

"Forget change, I want improvement!"

On NBC, Washington Post

On NBC, Washington Post editorial writer Jonathan Capehart asserted “it was a very important speech for the nation. It was very blunt, very honest” and so “a very important gift the Senator has given the country.”

Uh, no, Mr. Capehart; it was a very important speech for Barack Obama.

Good grief! So we should count ourselves privileged to be hearing him? Are we now supposed to consider everything that comes out of his mouth as jewels strewn before us, diamonds and pearls of wisdom? Speak to us!! Show us the way!!

As usual, the media minstrels are so busy admiring the man and his verbal skills that they missed the point: this was a political CYA speech, and he basically said white America needs to get over it or they will widen the chasm of misunderstanding between the races.

Yes MB

Now Americans are supposed to sit at the feet of the master and inhale the stench of racism.

A gift? No thanks.........

Logical Zeroes

"...this was a political CYA speech..." 

Back in '68, while taking a symbolic logic course in philosphy, we were each given a different speech from a different president, and asked to analyze them to determine the points of similarity. A couple of days later, and after about 30 seconds of comparison, we had our answer. No matter which president, or which speech, they all were identical - each and every one of them reduced to a logical zero.

If that were true for pre-'68 speeches, you can bet your bottom dollar it's still true now. I'd say more true, but how do you get more zero than zero? The trick in writing those speeches is to leave everyone thinking you promised them the moon, but in reality you said nothing at all.

V/R
Clyde 

"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC

A few final thoughts about Barack Hussein Obama.

Besides, I am about Obama'd out for one lifetime.

1) He is now a proven liar.

2) By accusing all of us, including a lot of democrat friends of mine, of being racists for voting for Ronald Reagan, he threw the whole deck of race cards right at us.

3) He sold his (from what I hear) ailing white grandmother down the river for political gain, the b@st@rd.

4) If I were Sen. Barack Obama, I'd start seriously worrying about keeping my senate seat, as there is no way he will be elected POTUS.

'nuff said.

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Proven how?  

Proven how?  

Less than a week ago he

Less than a week ago he said he wasn't aware of Rev. Wright's hateful comments....said he hadn't heard them in church or in private conversation.Today he admitted that he had.

It also came to light within the past week that he admitted a year ago that because of the pastor's vitriol, he might have to publicly distance himself (that was from Pastor Wright's mouth.)

motherbelt...please show us

motherbelt...please show us where or how Obama admitted he had been aware of the specific hateful comments which are the subject of the current controversy.  Thanks.

Jer

See my other reply

See my other reply to your request in this thread Jer.

acumen...thankyou!  That

acumen...thankyou!  That is helpful.  Let me ask you this:  Is the "Goddam America" video which has been circulating a single sermon by Wright, or is it a compilation of inflammatory remarks he has made over a period of time?  And were the statements Obama referred to in the CNN interview from that particular sermon, or samples of Wright's pronouncements over the course of his ministry?

Thanks again for your response.

Jer

First, I said "hateful

First, I said "hateful comments" (in general). I never said he was aware, or admitted that he was aware the specific hateful comments which are the subject of the current controversy. I was referring to his membership in the church and his relationship with Wright as a spiritual mentor over 20 years.

Here you go... from the transcript of his speech. (emphasis added)

For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an
occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of
course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered
controversial while I sat in church? Yes.

Controversial. That's a nice euphemism for his rants. As is this one, from his church, as posted here on NB, claims that all Rev. Wright did was
preached a social gospel on behalf of oppressed women, children and men in America and around the globe.” (emphasis added).

Whether or not he was in the pews on the days that the pastor indulged in his rants, Rev.Wright made it plain that Obama was aware of his hateful rhetoric a year ago, when he told the NY Times in April, 2007 that:

“If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance
himself from me,” Mr. Wright said with a shrug. “I said it to Barack
personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen.”
(emphasis added)

Here is another link to an LA Times story where, (whether you want to argue that he wasn't actually in the church when he gave the sermon on that video), a campaign staffer admits they knew that Wright could be a big problem.

acumen has also posted a couple of links in this thread, showing this, and also including Obama's statement to Wright that he could get "a little rough" in his sermons, so it would be better for him not to speak at the announcement.

If you want to pin your entire argument on the fact that Obama was not in the pews when he made the "specific hateful comments that are the subject of the current controversy," go ahead.

 

 

 

 

Seriously Bal

Obama's story is changing on a daily basis. First he hadn't heard any of those comments, now he says he did hear some of them. One day he says he was in Miami the Sunday after 9/11 then he admits he flew to Chicago that day.

 

candance...I think you are

candance...I think you are conflating and confusing separate statements made by Obama.  I am not aware of any admission by Obama that he had heard or was familiar with the specific controversial remarks of Reverend Wright which are the subject of the current firestorm.

Jer

dot connecting

Obama told CNN that he "didn't know about all these statements. I knew about one or two of these statements that had been made. One or two statements would not lead me to distance myself from either my church or my pastor. ... If I had thought that was the tenor or tone on an ongoing basis, then yes, I don't think it would have been reflective of my values."

 

But according to a New York Times story from a year ago, the Obama campaign dis-invited Wright from delivering a public invocation at Obama's candidacy announcement.

“Fifteen minutes before Shabbos I get a call from Barack,” Wright told the Times. “One of his members had talked him into uninviting me."

In  a phone call with Wright, Obama cited a Rolling Stone story, "The Radical Roots of Barack Obama," (the name of which has curiously been changed on the RS website to Destiny's Child) and told him, according to Wright, “You can get kind of rough in the sermons, so what we’ve decided is that it’s best for you not to be out there in public.”

Source - ABC News

It's left to the individual to connect the dots.

Like I wrote in another thread Jer

Even when confronted with documented evidence you refuse to move off your original stance. His speech just gave those who bought his rhetoric hook , line and sinker a justification for why they are flopping around on the shore but happy as clams because their hero has explained away all the evil conservatives accusations.

 

Unfortunately these accusations are supported by video and recorded audio in the public record.

 

Wake up Jer. I look forward to voting for my first black candidate or a woman, or both but I'm not willing to vote for that reason alone.

bal,

Even though you are a liberal (and I have a lot of liberal friends) and while I frequently disagree with you, I have never considered you to be lacking in intelligence. Perhaps a little short on linear logic at times, but not lacking in intelligence.

Please don't blow my image of you. :-)

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No, I wasn't asking to be

No, I wasn't asking to be clever or anything. I've followed the basic plot of this whole thing, but not enough to know if "liar" is an accurate statement. 

»→ You're right bal

Always a good thought to maintain plausible deniability.

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Balboa

I'm moved to comment to your posts because it seems to me that your life must be dull and empty if you feel you must come to this site, not to enlighten yourself, but to make contrary comments to those are here for bonafide reasons. Why would you ask for proof that Mr. Obama is a liar when the article clearly states that he said one thing on Friday and another yesterday, or are you one who believes that a lie is when the President states something which is a widely held belief and it later proves to be wrong?

Okay, bal.

When Obama said on Friday that he had never heard his pastor of 20 years say the things we all saw and heard him say, did you believe him? I almost did, to be honest, right up until the DVDs hit YouTube.

Even though he skated around the issue in his speech today, he essentially admitted that he had heard his pastor say those things.

__________________________________

Believe it or not, I am not all that happy about what has happened over the last four days. While I am not an Obama supporter, I was really glad he had made it this far in the contest, and not just because he was giving Broom Hilda fits, either.

I realize there are churches in certain communities that are a little over the top, but when I saw those videos of "Rev." Wright's rantings, I was shocked. "Rev." Wright is a former Marine. So is my dad. I know the difference.

I grew up in church. I was raised a Southern Baptist. I have been to hundreds of services in all different denominations, including some black churches here in Atlanta and elsewhere. The people in those black churches treated me as they would any other, because that is what real Christians do.

I have never heard a minister of the Gospel stand up and tell me to hate people of other races and cultures. Nor have I heard the language in church that Wright has used many times.

I honestly don't know which Jesus this heretic Wright led Obama to, but it certainly wasn't the one I have been taught about all my life.

Jeremiah Wright is a very angry and hate-filled man. I hope he gets the counseling he needs, else all that hate is going to burn him up. Literally.

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Well, for one...

He first said he never heard any controversial speeches from Wright, then he told Major Garrett on Fox that he HAD in fact heard controvercial speeches from the man.

Thats proven.

And yet another, not yet proven lie...

Notice how BHO phrases his response during his speech. I suspect his words are intended to cover his ass for having heard some place OTHER THAN THE PEW.  Like, I presume he has in fact seen the man's many speeches as they are available on easily obtainable DVDs for anyone whishing to subject themselves to his hateful, ignorant, race baiting rants.

Either way...doesnt matter, he wont get the monimation now. Hillary will. BHO now has too much baggage and no amount of focused propaganda by the MSM will save him.

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Ask yourself: Do I want a good paying job, or do I want a government hand out. Its that simple!

The DVDs have been withdrawn

The DVDs have been withdrawn from the church's web site.

No longer available there, that is what I heard? 

A Very Long Shot

"...he wont get the monimation now. Hillary will."

Hope you didn't bet your farm on that one, lol.

V/R
Clyde 

"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC

»→ CGaton

Either choice, Clinton or Obama, is better for the country IMO.

Obama has now been relegated the role of "Black Leader", a role he freely chose by following a race huckster.  And Hillary will never be accepted as the legitimate candidate because she will need to steal the nomination from Obamanog.

Even McCain can beat either of these scenarios.

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Not Sure

"Either choice, Clinton or Obama, is better for the country IMO.
...
Even McCain can beat either of these scenarios" 

Not sure what you meant here. It reads that you would like either Obama or Hillary, but McCain will now win.

While I agree with the second, I certainly disagree with the first, lol. But then, I've felt for a long time that McCain's centrality coupled with Hillary's/Obama's leftism would propel MaCain into the presidency.

V/R
Clyde 

"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC

»→ Clyde

I once believed Obama could beat McCain.  I no longer think he can.

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Cool. I did too...I too

Cool.

I did too...I too have changed my mind.

McCain is going to win just by default.

Gotta' love it.... I won't feel guilty now...lol.

R D Helm, congratulations!

R D Helm, congratulations! You have hammered that nail right on the head! I was wondering if anyone else heard that freakin' liar Obmammy bring up Ronald Reagan and the good folks who voted for him. That GD snake!

Typical liberal BS! Set up to talk about one thing and bring up a subject totally unrelated to what you are supposed to up there talking about!

If the American public is dumb enough to vote this charlatan as POTUS they we are indeed in deep, deep crap. Now he is a proven liar, saying he wasn't  present at this church when this BS was spoken and then saying he was. What the hell is the matter with him? Does he not think we can remember more the two weeks at a time? I know the MSM can't, but most folks over a two digit IQ can.   

CR,

Actually, I missed his Reagan supporter slam during the live broadcast of his speech this morning, as he probably said it while I was retrieving one of my three cups of coffee I consumed during his speech (I was trying to stay awake, ya know) and didn't catch it until I read the transcript on Drudge.

To me, aside from his flushing his white granny down the toilet, his comment on us Reagan supporters was his most egregious transgression.

He'll soon wish he hadn't said that. Believe me.

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Yeah RD, his own grandmother...

...his very own grandmother! The white grandmother even......

 

 

Barker,

LOL-Hey, maybe we can get "Free Obama's Granny!" printed up on a bunch of tee shirts, coffee mugs and bumper stickers.

You know, just like the "Free Mumia" people.

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»→ NObama 08

I like NObama 08 T shirts with God Bless America on the back.

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RD, I hope you are correct

The minions of Obamba worshippers have this to say about Mc cain.

no you can't

<ringing hands> Recycle, windmills, SAVE THE EARTH!

HOWEVER: Iranian Uranium, ICBM's <sleep>

 

Is this some of what Obama

Is this some of what Obama calls "lifting the country up"? (what he says we should be doing?)

mb, you want uplifting then here you go.. < danger gag>

It's about a sunrise (another SON)

Public schooled youth vote??????

<ringing hands> Recycle, windmills, SAVE THE EARTH!

HOWEVER: Iranian Uranium, ICBM's <sleep>

 

ucw,

After today, I cannot believe he will get the dem nomination.

And if he does, well, sucks to be a dem in '08. LOL.

Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!

OBAMA: I can no more disown

OBAMA: I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother, a woman who helped raise me, .......

   Something doesn't add up.  I can understand him overlooking something said by his grandmother but why does he have the same unassailable bond with his minister?  Is it the man or the man's message he can't renounce?

   One things for sure this controversy has officially made him the 'black' candidate.  No longer can his supporters claim him to be racially defined as 'other'.

Fox

I watched Bill O'Reilly tonight. He had some young blacks on. What struck me was how the indoctrination continues. Whitey was and is a BAD man who did very bad things to you in the past and continues to do very bad things to you. In fact, nothing he does can change your opinion of him. One of the young people on the show tonight is a "professor" who, I'm sure, is still preaching this garbage in his classrooms. Schools and churches; that's where it's hapnin', baby. "Unity" under the likes of Obama?--when Hell freezes over.

The MSM? Their ignorance and bias is obvious as usual. No more freedom of the press in America. The corrupt media is of one "mind" (I use that term loosely).

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Obama has a diehard

Obama has a diehard anti-white anti-American minister and this somehow becomes about me?

And really nice how Obama ducks questions about this Monday, and give a Speech with no Q&A on it today. So he has 100% control of the discussion.  How do you get away with that?

Are we suppose to wait until the public has cooled off on the issue or Obama finds a successful tact to deal with it? 

I'm surprised his dodging questions isn't brought up more.

what gift?

What gift did Obama give America?

Breaking News: Black people have the right to be angry at white people!

That was the gift he gave America?

Obama is showing himself as an old-school Chicago whiner. 21st century America isn't about black and white anymore - we have a huge Hispanic population who couldn't care less about "the black experience," Indian immigrants, Muslim immigrants, Chinese and Russians and Serbians who come here to flee oppressive governments, you name it.

Obama is not running to be the president of Black America. He's supposed to be the president of all America - all 300 million of us. He can't be in bed with Farrakhan on the weekends and claim to care about Israel on Monday.

He's no longer in South Chicago where that kind of rhetoric works. He's trying to win votes of a melting pot society with no patience for whiners. The more he keeps trying to equivocate this, the more he looks like a jerk to other minorities, and a lot of my moderate friends are telling me their view of him has changed. He's not doing himself any favors by pandering to people like Wright. 

 

Candance


Obama is showing himself as an old-school Chicago whiner.
21st century America isn't about black and white anymore - we have a huge Hispanic population who couldn't care less about "the black experience," Indian immigrants, Muslim immigrants, Chinese and Russians and Serbians wh come here to flee oppressive governments, you name it.

I love you.

:p

But really, as someone from NYC, you articulated perfectly what I've been thinking/feeling -- and increasingly so, as I get older and have decreasing time/patience for nonsense -- regarding "race".

Okay, what I really mean when typing "race" is, the same-ole' vicious cycle of victimhood played out by blacks, and all the liberal whites/others who play right along and continue to enable it. All the while, this city is truly such a melting pot, but we act like this is a central issue that must remain in the spotlight... and for how long? Well, "until there is no more racism", someone will say. HUH ???

 

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agreed Shy

blaming the other side gets a little tricky when there's more than two major races....

Candance

Exactly... my fellow night owl :)

 

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candance, I'm beginning to

candance, I'm beginning to wonder if you and I listened to the same speech.   I will say this:  I was lukewarm on Obama before, but after listening to this extremely positive address regarding race and the need to bridge the racial divide which has existed for generations, my opinion of him as improved dramatically.

Jer

Jer

What do you feel have been the contributing factors to this racial divide?

And hi.

 

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Hi Shy...A long period of

Hi Shy...A long period of institutionalized racism, and a shorter period in which race hustlers have exploited it for their self-aggrandizement.

Jer

Hey Jer

Who's primarily to blame (and name a 2nd and 3rd culprit, if you can) for this institutionalized racism? (and are you saying it continues to this day? I'm gathering yes, but making sure...)

Same for race-hustling. Who/what groups are to blame for this?

 

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Shy: Who's primarily to

Shy:

Who's primarily to blame for this institutionalized racism?

Racists, bigots, and segregationists

Are you saying it continues to this day?

No

What groups are to blame for race hustling?

Primarily African-American

Jer

Jer

So, in summation, currently in the modern world the blame primarily lies wiiiiiiiiith.........?

Thank you. You're dismissed. :p

 

Check out what Pumcrop wrote in another thread, and my response...

http://newsbusters.o...

 

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Shy...I had already read

Shy...I had already read that post.  I have said exactly the same.  See, we agree.

Over and out.

Jer

Racists, bigots, and segregationists


Racists, bigots, and segregationists

Yeah gee I wonder who started it. And why it's never discussed.

*rolls eyes*

»→ Jer

Are you talking about the speech where Obama explained why it's ok to stay close to people like David Duke?

Yeah, extremely positive.

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I won't bother to pick apart

I won't bother to pick apart the framing of your question, but, yeah, that's the one.

Jer

»→ But Jer

The framing of my question is perfectly sound.

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No Cool...not if you

No Cool...not if you listened closely to Obama's speech, in its entirety.

Jer

»→ Oh yeah Jer

In its entirety and considering he painted himself into this corner by getting caught riding a Moped.

Punchline: They're both fun but you wouldn't want to get caught riding either one.

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Cool...Have you copyrighted

Cool...Have you copyrighted that line?  I think you have used it before.  But it's a good one.

Later, Jer

»→ Jer

No, but you've certainly reprised the comeback once too often.

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Cool...What comeback? 

Cool...What comeback?  Someone had made the Moped quip before.  I thought it might have been you.  That's the first time I've ever mentioned it.  What am I reprising?

Jer

Jer...K

You're a jerk.

cheesegrater...why don't

cheesegrater...why don't you go hang out at websites where unprovoked personal insults are considered clever dialogue.  You're obviously over your head at Newsbusters.

Jer

Cool Arrow

And we must not forget.... and never forget... and let's say it again and again and again....to the end of mankind:

There is a racial divide in this country.

This country is racist.

Racial divide. Racial divide. Racism. Race. Blacks. Whites. Race. Racial divide....

Let's come together..... but wait, DON'T FORGET:

Racism, racism, racism. Racial divide. White men and corporations. Blacks and the inner cities. Race. Racism. Racial divide. Blacks. Whites.

And the beat goes on, while the country IS changing ethnically, socially, etc..

Jer, I'm sure you're getting what I'm getting at here.

 

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»→ Shy

Methinks Barack just doesn't get it.  He thinks rejecting the message is sufficient in this case.

Of course he jumped out there on day one demanding Imus be fired.  What a class act.

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Cool

Wow, wasn't aware of that. Was he really one of the people that came out demanding Imus be fired?

 

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»→ It gets better Shy

Here's the link.

But what he said is pure hypocrisy:

“I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus,” Obama told ABC News, “but I would also say that there’s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude.”

Can you say WOW?

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Cool,

I saw that earlier today. Given that it is ABC, who is clearly in Broom Hilda's camp, something tells me it is going to find its way into the light at some point rather soon.

Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!

»→ ABC as waterboy

Gotta love it that ABC has taken sides.

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»→ ABC as waterboy

Gotta love it that ABC has taken sides.

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Oh Great!

Now Obama will give his 'Hypocrisy Speech', and tell Americans what a bunch of hypocrites they are. Maybe even tell us about some hypocritical white cousin he has somewhere.

Msm

The msm is hyping this speech and trying to change the subject from hatred to racism. They do not want to be responsible for taking out one of their own.

Why blame Obama for his pastors comments?

I did not see his speech today, but just read some excerpts. He mentioned that racism is a problem in this country and says he loved his grandmother who sometimes said racist remarks. He said he did not agree with those remarks and he also repudiated his pastors comments.

I also do not see how he is in bed with Farahkan either.

Now if he lied about not hearing those comments. That is a different story. Then that does bug me, a lot!! 

 

Shawn

Obama's church gave Farrakahn an award last year. Couple that with Farrakhan's endorsement of Obama, and the shifty way Obama tried to keep it in last month's debate, you start to wonder.

candance

Once again, he repudiated the comments made by his pastor. It was his church that gave the award the Farhakhan. Your right though it does make you think a little bit.

I am no hypocrite and I did not like the fact that Romney says he hunted all his life and that was lie, same with his lie he watched MLK march with his dad.

If there is proof that Obama actually lied about not hearing those comments, he will be a politician I quite admire, that has let me down. I hate liars.

Repudiated the Comments

Wright was a member of Obama's campaign staff right up until this story broke on Friday.

Six years ago he gave a fiery speech blaming America for 9/11, with everyone in the building cheering him on....and Obama heard nothing about it even though Wright was his personal friend.

In 2002 Wright called Israel a racist state with the congregation cheering him on....and he never once shared that view with Obama.

July 2006 Wright said in a sermon that the American government created AIDS to kill black people....and he never once shared that opinion with Obama.

Christmas Day 2007 Wright said America is controlled by white people and went on a rant against Hillary Clinton (as a member of Obama's campaign)...and Obama didn't hear about it.

 

If Obama didn't know what his pastor was up to, he was the last member of that church to find out.

 

shawn228, there is a great article by VDH in a lower thread.

an elegant farce.

heres a sample:

Indeed, Wright does nothing that much different from radio-talk show
hosts and those of the Reagan Coalition who thrive on racial
resentments. But whereas Wright has cause as a victim, his counterparts
are opportunists who play on white fears.

<ringing hands> Recycle, windmills, SAVE THE EARTH!

HOWEVER: Iranian Uranium, ICBM's <sleep>

 

Yes Shawn, ol' Grammy got

Yes Shawn, ol' Grammy got thrown under the bus, not in the back seat of it. The Clinton's need to polish this fella off before the convention. I have a feeling he may have done it himself today, but I never made any money on figuring out what the hell a democrat is going to do.

I do know one thing however, this Obama is going to be the biggest demagogue this country would have ever had if they are stupid enough to elect him. It's out of most of peoples hands on this site now, but following the democrats is like watching a slow motion train wreck.  At the point of thw wreck however, we will be affected. The only thing I have to offer then is keep your powder dry.

conservative rex


"but following the democrats is like watching a slow mo