Chris Wallace Bashes Rush and Defends Hillary

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Despite what former President Bill Clinton and most Democrats think, Fox News's Chris Wallace really is the epitome of fair and balanced.

In case you had any doubt, his interview Thursday with WOR radio's Steve Malzberg was a perfect example of why Wallace is the most impartial of all the Sunday talk show hosts.

To give you an idea of just how unbiased he is, during this extraordinary segment, Wallace strongly disagreed with Rush Limbaugh's recent remarks concerning Hillary Clinton's aging appearance, and actually came to her defense.

Later, Wallace supported media's questions concerning Mitt Romney being a Mormon even though Sen. Harry Reid's (D-Nev.) belief in this faith is totally ignored.

On the flipside, Wallace ridiculed MSNBC's David Shuster for some of his recent comments about Fox News, and mocked those that find water-boarding so deplorable.

Here are some of the highlights of this absolutely spectacular interview (15-minute audio available here, readers are cautioned to prepare themselves for an almost astounding level of candor from someone regularly depicted as a GOP mouthpiece):

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  • [After Malzberg brought up the Hillary's age/appearance issue] I have to say, I think this is idiotic. I mean, I really do. With due respect to you and to Rush, I think the idea of we're not going to like Hillary because we're not going to want to see a woman age I think is the personification of sexism...I just think that the idea because a woman, and that a woman should be judged differently because women age differently than men do, I think is just dumb...I think she had it exactly right when she said, "They're not attacking me because I'm a woman; they're attacking me because I'm winning."
  • [After Malzberg mentioned that even though the press seems focused on Mitt Romney being a Mormon, they never question Harry Reid being similarly affiliated] In fairness, the reason it doesn't happen is because he's not running for president in Iowa. He's running in a state which doesn't seem to care very much about it, probably has a fair number of Mormons because it's neighboring Utah...I don't think that's why they're asking Romney those questions. I think they're asking those questions because he's running for an office in which people are concerned about that issue.
  • [After Malzberg brought up Bush's Thursday press conference and FISA] Part of the problem is that we view actions in 2002 by the hindsight and the safety of 2007. We haven't been attacked in six years. And so, quite frankly, we have grown complacent, which is not a good thing, but is a somewhat human or understandable thing. And, you know, the fact is that nobody was complaining when they were catching these terrorists like Zubaida or Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in 2002. We were thrilled that they caught them and we wanted everything to be done to these guys to get any information we could get because we thought they had information that could conceivably jeopardize the lives of Americans and lead to further attacks on the American people and the American homeland. And now because we're safe and we've gotten a little fat and happy and lazy, we think to ourselves, "Well, you know what, we don't have to worry about it." We do have to worry about it, and it does bother me to see us criticized.
  • You know, it's interesting, on Fox News yesterday, we had tape that was captured of an al Qaeda torture house. In this al Qaeda torture house, they had a steel bed frame - you know, once you take the mattress and the, whatever, off. The steel, the metal frame, which had been hooked up to electrical cords so that if you stuck somebody on it, they'd be electrocuted, they would be fried. You had knives, you had guns, you had masks, you had things to strangle people. There were mass graves outside. My guess is if they'd had the equipment, you know, for water-boarding, a bucket, and, you know, people would have said, "That was the good punishment." The idea that, I mean, forgive me, I'm sure there's some people who really believe, and John McCain believes, that it's torture. And, you can argue whether it's a good or a bad thing, but for us to get our, you know, our knickers in a knot because of the fact that people were water-boarded in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 strikes me as a foolish hindsight.
  • [After Malzberg brought up MSNBC's David Shuster talking about the grilling GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee is getting from Fox News] Well, you know, I look at our ratings, and I look at David Shuster and MSNBC, and somehow I think America gets it since we have about ten times their ratings, literally. I mean, in some parts of the day, tens times as many people are watching Fox News as watching MSNBC.
  • Look, if we were so in the tank for Republicans, we wouldn't we just be boosting Huckabee? The fact is that he's the frontrunner, we haven't examined him very much, and, you know, we play it pretty darned straight. We're going after Huckabee, we go after Romney. You know, it now turns out that he said that he saw his father march with Martin Luther King. Well, maybe he didn't actually see him, because maybe George Romney, governor of Michigan, didn't march with Martin Luther King, although he marched in civil rights marches. You know, that'll be on our air today. I mean, we cover this story straight. People said we were in the tank to Rudy, you know, last week we were all over the Rudy drop in the polls. And I'll tell you what, if, Senator Clinton interestingly enough has been on "Fox News Sunday," has been on "Fox and Friends." If Senator Obama and Senator Edwards would have the moral fortitude to appear on our show, we'd give them a fair shake as well. I mean, we cover it, and we call it the way we see it.

Yes, they do. And anyone that would actually take the time to objectively watch "Fox News Sunday" would have to conclude that Chris Wallace is a rarity in this day and age when journalists are clearly on one side of the political aisle or the other.

Bravo, Chris, and kudos to Steve for providing the forum for such a frank and impartial discussion.

*****Update: I've read many of the comments here, and wanted to address some issues that may have either been misinterpreted or overlooked.

The purpose of this post was not to discredit what Rush said concerning Hillary's aging appearance or give validity to Wallace's view. Instead, the point was to illustrate just how impartial and unbiased Wallace is despite the carping and whining of Democrats and liberals in the media. But, impartial doesn't mean correct. It just means that the individual in question is willing to call them the way he sees them without allowing politics or a hidden agenda to dictate his public opinions when acting in the capacity of a journalist.

This is a rare quality in the media, and should be applauded. However, that doesn't mean Wallace is always right. Impartiality doesn't make one prescient or omniscient. It just makes you more honest and trustworthy than most in your profession.

This is important, for even though Wallace disagreed with Rush on this matter, I imagine Limbaugh still has extraordinary respect for Chris, and that this hasn't changed his opinion one iota.

Something else to consider is that conservatives shouldn't act like liberals when it comes to recognizing media bias and pointing out impartiality. For example, the people at Media Matters and Think Progress believe that folks like Tim Russert and Chris Matthews are conservatively-biased because they sometimes express non-liberal views. To them, any statement not in lock-step with "progressives" is proof that individual is actually conservative.

Of course, this is absurd. As such, when someone like Wallace makes statements that don't fit in perfectly with conservative ideologies, this doesn't mean he's liberal or stupid. Instead, it means that he is willing to think for himself beyond what might be in the best interest of the political party he supports and the policies he either advocates or wishes for.

That's what journalists should do. Unfortunately, there are so few in the press that behave this way today, folks have forgotten what they look like.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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Agree... wholeheartedly

I've always liked coverage by Wallace - he has a brain, and he uses it. I have rarely seen him make any kind of statement that is 'thoughtless' or inane.

A prime example is in his treatment here regarding the difference between other media ignoring the Mormonism of Reid, while crawling all over Romney for holding the same beliefs.

Balanced he is... like it or not, very little to no such reporting exists outside the confines of Fox studios.

Russert vs Wallace

I can't fathom why NBC chose Russert over Wallace.

You know, it's interesting,

You know, it's interesting, on Fox News yesterday, we had tape that was captured of an al Qaeda torture house. In this al Qaeda torture house, they had a steel bed frame - you know, once you take the mattress and the, whatever, off. The steel, the metal frame, which had been hooked up to electrical cords so that if you stuck somebody on it, they'd be electrocuted, they would be fried. You had knives, you had guns, you had masks, you had things to strangle people. There were mass graves outside. My guess is if they'd had the equipment, you know, for water-boarding, a bucket, and, you know, people would have said, "That was the good punishment." The idea that, I mean, forgive me, I'm sure there's some people who really believe, and John McCain believes, that it's torture. And, you can argue whether it's a good or a bad thing, but for us to get our, you know, our knickers in a knot because of the fact that people were water-boarded in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 strikes me as a foolish hindsight

 

He said it all there too...

 

I have been absolutely outraged by the non-coverage of this compared to the phony water-boarding issue, the Abu Greibe BS...the CIA torture tapes being destroyed...on and on it goes...

Excellent points Chris...excellent.

Style over substance

Rush made an ‘observation’ about the electorate’s penchant for perfection in the appearance of ALL politicians. As we have seen, appearance has trumped a politician’s substance and we have suffered for it. Jimmy Carter comes to mind.

In the movie The American President, a statement is made that if there was television in 1933, the people wouldn’t have elected FDR - a man in a wheel chair.  

Rather than berating Limbaugh, Wallace should be berating the American people’s superficiality in selecting its leaders.

Trying to be objective

Chris Wallace was undoubtedly chosen for Fox News Sunday because he could be objective. I believe he does his best.

That said, I find Chris Wallace to be a beltway insider in every sense of the word. His thinking is constrained within the NY-DC corridor, he still believes that the NYT is the paper of record, and focuses FNS on the conventional topics and thinking of the beltway insiders. FNS with Chris Wallace is objective within the constraints of the conventional wisdom - it is also shallow, boring, and rarely escapes the beltway.

Simple Question for Wallace

Honestly Chris, did you hear the entire commentary by Rush?  Or, had you just heard the quick soundbytes or read the headlines attributed to him.  The context of his commentary was dramatically different, and thus, your reaction would have been different as well.  Chris is a very balanced host and commentator, however, in this case he's criticizing Limbaugh for being candid about the state of our culture.  One last thing.  If Chris doesn't think looks  have impact in today's culture, he should tune into Fox more frequently and check out some of their on-air talent between 5PM and 9PM.  If I'm not mistaken, from John Gibson, to O'Reilly, to Brit Hume, they are packing the airwaves with young blondes and brunettes.  I wonder why.

Bour.... In answer to

Bour....

In answer to your last question...

Why their brains of course!

LOL...

Btw...You made great points about what Rush said and Wallace being in the belt-way mentality ect. 

Is there a complete

Is there a complete transcript somewhere?

B et al

B et al,

Your wish is my command:

Now, this theory of mine based on this Drudge picture of Mrs. Clinton, with the headline: "The Toll of a Campaign." Now, it could well be that that's a sympathy photo, too, to make people feel sorry for how tough the campaign trail is. Now, I want to preface this by saying I know it's going to get out there. Media Matters is going to get hold of this and they're going to take it all out of context. We can expect that. It's a badge of honor when this happens, but for the rest of you, I want you to understand that I am talking about the evolution of American culture here, and not so much Mrs. Clinton. It could be anybody, and it is really not very complicated. Americans are addicted to physical perfection, thanks to Hollywood and thanks to television. We know it because we see it. We see everybody and their uncle in gyms. We see people starving themselves. We see people taking every miracle fad drug there is to lose weight. We see guys trying to get six-pack abs. We have women starving themselves trying to get into size zero and size one clothes; makeovers, facials, plastic surgery, everybody in the world does Botox, and this affects men, too. As you know, the haughty John Kerry Botoxed his wrinkles out during the campaign.

There is this thing in this country that, as you age -- and this is particularly, you know, women are hardest hit on this, and particularly in Hollywood -- America loses interest in you, and we know this is true because we constantly hear from aging actresses, who lament that they can't get decent roles anymore, other than in supporting roles that will not lead to any direct impact, yay or nay, in the box office. While Hollywood box-office receipts may be stagnant, none of that changes the fact that this is a country obsessed with appearance. It's a country obsessed with looks. The number of people in public life who appear on television or on the big screen, who are content to be who they are, you can probably count on one hand. Everybody's trying to make themselves look different -- and in that situation, in that case, they think they're making themselves look better. It's just the way our culture has evolved. It's the way the country is. It's like almost an addiction that some people have to what I call the perfection that Hollywood presents of successful, beautiful, fun-loving people. So the question is this: Will this country want to actually watch a woman get older before their eyes on a daily basis?

We know that the presidency ages the occupants of that office rapidly. You go back and look at... Well, you can't use Clinton because he dyed his hair based on the audience he was speaking to, but take a look some pictures of Bush in 2000, when he was campaigning, or 2001 when he was inaugurated. Take a look at him now. Just been eight years. The difference is stark. He's kept himself in good shape and so forth, but you can say that this is a sad, unfortunate thing. But men aging makes them look more authoritative, accomplished, distinguished. Sadly, it's not that way for women, and they will tell you. (interruption) Well, Snerdley, you're just sitting there thinking I'm on the precipice of the cliff here without a bungee cord. I'm not. I am trying to be... Look, if I'm on the edge of the bungee cord, then I'll take the leap. The bungee cord will save me. I'm just giving an honest assessment here of American culture. Look at all of the evidence. I mean, I've just barely scratched the surface with some of the evidence, and so: Will Americans want to watch a woman get older before their eyes on a daily basis? And that woman, by the way, is not going to want to look like she's getting older, because it will impact poll numbers. It will impact perceptions.

In politics, perceptions are reality. So there will have to be steps taken to avoid the appearance of aging. You know, politics is not for sissies. Now, I'm looking at people on the other side of the glass here and they're laughing and they're smiling. They think I'm making a joke here and there's some big punch line coming. I'm not. You're not laughing at that? What are you laughing at? You're laughing at how...? (interruption) He's smiling because it's true! Okay. Maimone is smiling because it's true, and what also happens in this country when you say something that's true that people don't want to hear, man, do you catch it. I am fully prepared. I'm going to catch it here. That's really why he's smiling because he knows I'm going to catch it, but you're also responding because you know I can take it, you know that I can catch it, and throw it right back. So, politics isn't for sissies, and being president ages men faster than normal. I think this is one of the intangibles. And another thing, by the way: How many times have you said in your adult life, you've had a candidate for president or some office that you really like, but just doesn't come off well on television. Just for some reason, television doesn't complement this person. I've often reminded you that politics is "showbiz for the ugly," and it is.

When you see people who are, "Boy, they're just really great," but they can't get anywhere because they just, for some reason, television doesn't complement them. They don't look well on it, they don't handle it well, and it has an effect, regardless how smart they are, how brilliant their policy. This is one of the things that many people lament with the coming of television. You go back and look at presidents that we elected prior to TV, and presidents we elected after TV, and you will notice a huge difference. Do you think a bloated president could win? We had plenty of fat-guy presidents. Do you think one could get elected today? There's not a prayer! There isn't a prayer. Remember when people said, "The way to tell if Gore's really going to run is if he starts losing weight?" It's just what it is, folks. It's just what it is. Perfection, the appearance of perfection and good health, all of that ties into the perception of mental acuity, stamina, being able to hold up to the job -- and I'm just suggesting, it's one of these intangibles. You know, people will never tell you in an exit poll, "Yeah, I voted for Candidate X because he looks better than Candidate Y." They're not going to tell you, "I like their position on the Taliban. Yeah, I love their health care plan." They don't tell you what the real reason is -- and, of course, there is nobody else out there with the guts or the stupidity to address this as I am, but it's just something to put in the hopper and to think about. Let me give you a picture, just to think about. I'm not even going to answer the question for you, just want you to think about this. The campaign is Mitt Romney versus Hillary Clinton in our quest in this country for visual perfection, hmm?

 

Thanks, Noel. I completely

Thanks, Noel. I completely see his point, and it makes sense. But I don't think Rush would ever bring this up if it were a female Republican running for president. 

And I don't think people are concerned about "watching someone get old" if that person is the president of the United States. It's just not going to matter. 

World according to Wallace

I disagree there is anything really fair or balanced in this Wallace pulpit spew. What makes it fair in noting Democratic mass extermination of Truth to the pimple of a Limbaugh observation that Hillary does indeed look like a hag and Americans vote for pretty.

It would be like Wallace noting the Nazi film reels as propaganda exterminating Jews and then looking at Newsubsters comedy clips lumping Matthew Sheffield into the same category. That certainly is not fair nor is it balanced.

Wallace is acceptable at his job and remarkable considering his old man is one of the worst Geraldo shotgun ambush clackers ever to appear on television, but taking swipes at Conservatives or the GOP to be included under the microscope of Truth is showing a weakness in trying to appeal to Fox haters "that we are really good guys here".

Last night I heard John McGlaughlin say the most asinine things from "Iran only wants nuclear power for electricity, because the Iranians told him" and he was mocking the sources who state that Saddam evacuated his WMD into Syria.
If Wallace wants to be fair and balanced, let us blow the lid off of these stories of Rockefeller and Rothschild money skimming off of Saddam which ended up in all the socialists pockets from Clinton to that French and German ilk now out of office.

Let the Everest of Truth come out and stop dragging in the pebble of Limbaugh as a nuclear armed Iran under Bill Clinton is a wee bit more important than Hillary no longer the fat baby faced cutie and turning into the sag hag.

 

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Chris is the best

I dont always agree with him but unless someone is talking to a mirror there will always be some differences.He doesnt pander to either party and ask tough questions.

This song goes out to all of those trophy wives out there.

Sorry Chris, but, in the land of scalpels, lasers, botox and trophy wives ... Rush wins. Notice any Hillary types in front of the camera at Fox News?

You know what....

I think that we need more people like chris on television. It seams like we usually have either radicals on both sides, or wimpy polititians who never give a straight answer. He is someone who speaks his own mind, but isnt a spouting jack***

"give me a break!" - John Stossel

Everyone has an off-day.

Everyone has an off-day. This is Wallace's -- he seems to have misunderstood (like many in the media who deliberately misunderstaood) what Rush said.

He pointed out the obvious. It's incontrovertible that our culture, and especially the liberal MSM is OBSESSED with image.

Ask any former young Hollywood actress when they get into their late thirties, let alone forties.

If image didn't matter, why is it that at each Democratic debate Mrs Clinton's face looks tighter than snare drum? Check out then vid and photos.

If Rush is incorrect, how come she doesn't she appear wrinkles and all?

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

The magic of media.

Even Barbara Walter's uses a "special" camera lens, along with pink filtered lighting (Oprah Hussein Obama does too). 

Whereas, Fred Thompson looks like his skin is falling off and that's just the way it is. Speaking of Wallace, Mike's father would have been forced out decades before if he had boobs.

crash-- exactly. That

crash-- exactly.

That just proves Rush's point. Men can look like old leather saddles and it usually matters not.

Women cannot. If that weren't so, we'd see the real Hillary could give Fred a race on being the biggets bag on the block.

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

"Speaking of Wallace,

"Speaking of Wallace, Mike's father would have been forced out decades before if he had boobs."

At his age, Mike Wallace has man boobs.

He's still working, but that's not much of a surprise in a trade where Helen Thomas is still employed.  Do NOT go there about boobs.

Killing them with kindness isn't working.  Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.