Climate Change Obsessed Media Boycott Looming Energy Crisis

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By Noel Sheppard | October 31, 2007 - 18:26 ET

Coal-fired electric power plants might be in danger of extinction at the hands of global warming alarmists, possibly setting the nation up for a looming energy crisis like none it's ever experienced.

Yet, for the most part, national media outlets have been quite silent on this issue, making it appear that green press members don't want the public to understand the real ramifications of solutions being offered by climate alarmists such as Nobel Laureate Al Gore, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Cal.), and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Cal.).

For some background, on October 20, NewsBusters reported a decision by the State of Kansas to deny an electricity producer a license to build coal-fired power plants citing global warming concerns as one of the primary reasons. As it turns out, this wasn't the first such incident, as the Associated Press reported on October 18 (h/t NBer dscott):

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At least 16 coal-fired power plant proposals nationwide have been scrapped in recent months and more than three dozen have been delayed as utilities face increasing pressure due to concerns over global warming and rising construction costs.

From what I can tell, Fox News.com was the only major media outlet that carried that wire story.

Yet, much more importantly, the incidence of coal-fired power plant rejection is much greater than previously thought as evidenced by the following October 10 article from the Tampa Tribune (emphasis added):

Florida, a state that has fought hard to preserve the ban on oil production off its shores, has effectively closed the door on another traditional source of energy.

Coal, the black rock used to generate half of the nation's electricity, is getting the heave-ho in Florida for its hefty output of carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas that scientists have linked to global warming.

This year, five planned power plants have been scrapped in the wake of Gov. Charlie Crist's crusade against coal. Two coal plants were rejected by state regulators while three other coal projects were dropped as Crist's opposition to coal resonated across the state.

Altogether, the five plants would have generated 4,642 megawatts of electricity, enough power for nearly 3 million homes in Florida.

The need for that power has not disappeared, and if coal is no longer an option, electric utilities will be forced to turn to more expensive, less reliable and riskier forms of energy.

But without coal, keeping the lights on in Florida will be almost impossible.

Add it all up, and this is very bad news for a nation with continually growing electricity demands. From the previously mentioned AP article (emphasis added):

But the trend also could portend problems in satisfying a projected 40 percent increase in electricity demand by 2030, said James Owen with the Edison Electric Institute, which represents many of the nation's major utilities.

Yet, according to LexisNexis, the only television news outlet that has addressed this issue during the timeframe that these articles were published was Fox News. I guess ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC don't want the public to know about this looming crisis.

Just how serious is it? Well, across the Atlantic Ocean, England might be experiencing staged blackouts this winter according to an article in Wednesday's Guardian (emphasis added throughout):

Britain faces the prospect of power shortages and soaring prices this winter after the National Grid warned of a shortfall in electricity-generating capacity yesterday. The alert coincides with a surge in gas prices, which are now 40% higher than in continental Europe, and the confirmation that a vital import plant in South Wales will not be operational this winter.

And it emerged last night that the energy minister, Malcolm Wicks, met power providers and users last week to discuss mounting concerns that the UK was heading into another winter of soaring prices and power shortages, similar to the one that forced some manufacturers to shut down capacity 24 months ago.

[...]

The fragility of the country's power infrastructure is partly the result of a series of breakdowns at the UK's ageing nuclear reactors.

Though Britain's problems are different than ours, the inconvenient truth is that as no new nuclear power plants have been built in America for several decades, this sudden movement away from coal in the face of a projected 40 percent increase in electricity demand means that U.S. citizens might soon be joining their English cousins in cold, dark houses.

Sadly, our media don't want you to be aware of this, for maybe that would change your view of global warming.

After all, up to this point, solutions actively discussed by press members include relative trivialities like changing light bulbs, purchasing hybrid cars, and only using one tissue of toilet paper when you go to the lavatory.

However, if Americans were fully apprised that this sudden eschewing of coal could leave them literally in the dark in the not-so-distant future, might they be more interested in the debate media disingenuously claim is over?

If you think I'm being too cynical for my own good, ask yourself what kind of coverage this possible energy crisis might be getting if it could be blamed on President Bush and/or Republicans.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.

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The enviros recently

The enviros recently stopped TXU in Texas from building several power plants, in spite of predictions that the Texas power grid, which is mostly independent of the rest of the US, will be unstable in less than two years due to the rapid growth rate of the state. (Thank you Mexico.)

The Republicans need to scream about this loud and clear at every level- then when the power goes out, maybe some people will remember who tried to warn them.

Unfortunately, those enviros may be our big allies in the looming fight against the TTC. Politics makes for strange bedfellows.

Alternative Energy

Source.

But we need more nuclear power plants. I just don't see that with the envirowhacks.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

That's interesting, Blonde,

That's interesting, Blonde, but how many years before that research comes to fruition?

The enviros don't want nuclear (dangerous), they don't want coal (dirty), they don't want wind (kills birds and ruins the Kennedys' view) , they don't want hydro(dams kill snail darters and other little things). The only thing they don't really have a problem with is solar....and that's just not practical for major usage.

They have no solution except more and more conservation. If they have their way the whole country will be involved in rolling blackouts; we will only have electricity 4 hours a day.

 

They haven't figured out

They haven't figured out the effects of the heavy metals and acids used in making solar cells and batteries yet. Or the land use with all those solar cells.

Give them time. 

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

mb

Well, waste-to-energy is a current technology.  But as far as I know, the cost and permitting has become an almost insurmountable obstacle to building more plants.

The liberals and envirowhacks want us to go back to pre-industrial revolution ways of life. 

I don't want to be a smelly hippy, I want my a.c., and I don't want to pay a fortune for it, either.  Someone posted an interesting article about the water supply on the open thread last weekend, that's going to be a problem in the future as well, particularly as we continue to be illegally invaded.

Will this country ever get it's collective head on straight?  Doubtful, if HRC is any indication.  I'm worried.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

A few years ago there was an

A few years ago there was an article in "Discover " magazine called "Anything into oil".  The company they were focusing on could take a waste stream and convert it into number 2 heating oil. One of the waste streams they had was the waste products from a plant that processed turkey's.  Basically they took the guts, feathers, heads etc and sent them thru the process and out came Number 2 Heating oil.  They could adjust the process for other waste streams such as old tires. Of course, there they also got metal as a product as well.  From what I read the EPA was not giving them a lot of grief because they were disposing of waste.  That might have changed.  If I recall, the break even point for the plant was when oil was about $80 a barrel.  So it might be profitable.  I tracked down the company a couple of years ago to see if I could invest, but they were not selling stock at the time. These things could supply some energy, but I bet it will not meet the demand.  We need more Nukes.

alamo

Interesting, I hadn't heard of that before.

But as the price of oil continues to rise, the market will compensate.   

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

As the price rises the Tar

As the price rises the Tar Sands and Shale oil becomes more competetive.  The question is, how will the enviros react.

Sample

For a pretaste, check out how the enviros are flipping out in Alberta over the proposal by the oil companies to build a nuclear reactor to power their tar sands operations there. 

Canada actually ratified the Kyoto Protocol, and they will absolutely destroy its terms this year in CO2 emissions.  Yet, do YOU see a pro-nuke movement there?  Nah, me neither.   

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Tipi anyone?

long ago i lived in a traditional northern cheyenne type tipi on a mesa in northern new mexico for about 6 months -- ah the good ole hippie days -- NOT! -- even many of those living in communes in the area at the time thought it too primitive because they had energy and running water -- folks like pelosi and boxer will NOT be able to live this way without energy on demand -- it sounds romantic to some but the reality is something else -- if you doubt that i'll take you to the site and show you where you will have to get your water and take a kinda shower in freezing weather -- i'll wager the econuts will climb all over each other to approve drilling in ANWAR, off the florida coast, siting nuclear power facilities etc -- stop dreaming folks and face reality!

okie

Well, I live in Florida.  And JEB Bush was the one to push his brother to continue the moratorium on drilling off of Florida.

It's fine for China to drill off of Cuba, but we can't drill here, nor in Anwr?

Stupidity.  In the extreme. 

And living in a teepee?  Wow.  I like camping....but I also like my creature comforts.  Like warm showers & electricity at the camp site.  LOL.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Didn't know that about JEB, Blonde

The Bush family has led us down a crooked road of pretend conservativism, huh?

Unfortunately, RJ

It's sad, but true.

That's the one thing I really didn't like about JEB as the guv.  Crist is worse, a RINO of the worst sort.  He's a warmer.

Oh, and "read my lips....no new taxes".  41 capped himself with that one.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

The RINO's are more

The RINO's are more dangerous than the liberals.  At least we know the libs are the enemy.  One thing about President Bush in his favor, he did appoint Conservatives to the Bench.

But only after

Getting beaten about the head over the Harriet Meyers appointment. 

I think Bush's presidency has been pretty much a failure...lost opportunity with a (R) Congress initially, I know, 9/11 happened.

But what he could have achieved had he been a true conservative.  I can't forgive the spending, and most of all, letting the liberals & dems lie continually without exposing them for the socialists they are.

Only time will tell whether George Bush was a visionary with the GWOT.  I hope so, but on all else (with the exception of his SCOTUS appointments, as you've pointed out) I think he's just fizzled.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Bush 41 had a

Bush 41 had a Democratic house and Senate threatening to shut the government down if he didn't sign their bill raising taxes (maybe a good thing, but remember no social security checks etc. either) it was only then that he knuckled under. When the government shut down a couple of years later under Clinton he didn't take the heat the Repubs house and senate did it was a PR disaster. Remember who controls the media. Bush 41 is a good and honorable man.

Bush 41

I really like GHWB.  But he shouldn't have gone along with the dems on that.  He might have had a second term (well, maybe not, but I'd like to think so). 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde

I think he would have definitlely had a second term Blonde.  I was crushed when he lost to Clinton too.  This tax thing is what lead to the MSM playing the "Read My Lips" sound bite over... and over... and over... Its like that one sound bite took over the entire campaign.  He didn't lose by much when all was said and done, even with Ross Perot. 

Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"

Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."

Bush the Sr.

He seems like such an extraordinarily gracious man.  I've seen him locally at charity tennis tournaments (he's one of Chris Evert's pals), and he's just really a nice guy.

Did you see we lost another of the Greatest Generation today, Paul Tibbets (Enola Gay).  I linked  a good article on the Open Thread.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde

Blonde – if you haven’t already, read Sr.’s biography “My Father, My President”, written by his daughter.  It gives wonderful insight to a very distinguished career.  War hero, Congressman, ambassador, head of the CIA, Vice President, President, and I’m sure I’ve forgotten a thing or two.

I heard about Tibbetts today.  He lived a long life, thank God.  They recounted an old interview of his from the 70’s where he said he had absolutely no regrets about what he was asked to do during the war and that he felt his patriotism required him to carry out his orders in the most efficient manner possible.  People at that time loved him for being involved in an action that helped bring about a swift end to the war and avoid the bloody invasion of mainland Japan.

It’s a shame that he requested no funeral and no headstone out of fear of modern day protesters using it as a rally point.

Someone said in another post how much things have changed in 60 years.  They sure have.

Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"

Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."

Jimbo

Thanks for the reading tip.  I'll check it out.

Here's the link to the article about Gen. Tibbets.  It refers to your comment.  I have a signed B&W pic of the Enola Gay on Eiwok (I think...weird sky), signature is "Paul Tibbets, Pilot".  It's one of my prize possessions. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Great article. We’ll

Great article.

We’ll never know how many American lives his actions saved.  I once heard (no idea if its true) that in anticipation of the casualties involved with a Japanese mainland engagement, the US military ordered a huge number of purple hearts.  So many in fact, they are still handing out Purple hearts from that supply today.  

Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"

Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."

Bush library

Don't forget to hit the Bush Presidential Library in College Station, on the campus of Texas A&M. 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

I agree with you, but I also

I agree with you, but I also think there are things we could do better, as well.  One thing I have noticed, living in the south and having been involved with Construction off and on between military assignments, is that most attics in this hot climate are not vented well enough.  Homeowners could save a lot of money I suspect just by insisting the roofers put way more than the bare minimum amount of venilation in the attics.

"The enviros don't want

"The enviros don't want nuclear (dangerous), they don't want coal (dirty),"

Interesting thing is, more people died mining coal last year than have died in total providing nuclear energy in this country. Instead, we are reminded of the terrible terrible 3 Mile Island episode, where the grand total of zero people were killed as an example of why nuclear energy is so dangerous.

On TXU and other comments

 The enviros recently stopped TXU in Texas from building several power plants, in spite of predictions that the Texas power grid, which is mostly independent of the rest of the US, will be unstable in less than two years due to the rapid growth rate of the state. (Thank you Mexico.)  Because as we ALL know, NO ONE from the rest of the United States moves to TX.  And EVERYONE from Mexico came here illegally, right, alamojb?

I agree, TXU caved.  Not to mention, the enviros are whining that "TX has enough power!" They desperately want this state to become another CA, it seems.

Unfortunately, those enviros may be our big allies in the looming fight against the TTC.  That's because the enviros hate capitalism as much as you do.  Well, I take that back.  The enviros hate capitalism, free trade or none.  You love capitalism, as long as the United States is coddled and babied away from competition, even if it means America becoming an autarky.  (And if Americans are forced to subsidize labor unions that churn out crappier and crappier products, so be it, right?) So, strange bedfellows?  No, not really, as you and the enviros both want the most stringent, micromanaging control of the future possible.

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Unsane: "So, strange

Unsane:

"So, strange bedfellows?  No, not really, as you and the enviros both want the most stringent, micromanaging control of the future possible. "

So how is opposing the largest ever imminent Domain Seizure in US history of hundreds of thousands of acres of private property that will be given to a Spanish company make me "want the most stringent, micromanaging control of the future possible."?

I oppose the government seizing private property from US citizens to sell to some foreign company and to make it easier to bring larger and larger amount of foreign goods into the US . That is not "Free Trade"  That is a corporation using the force of government to push out the little guy- the farmers and ranchers.

 I am no fan of unions. This has nothing to do with unions.  American companies have a hard time competing in part because of those unions and in part because of enviromentalist lawsuits. I just understand that given the amount of farm lands that will have to be seized the enviros will and are already opposing this thing. Every once in a while they do something right.

As for Mexican immigration- most are illegal.  At least that is their complaint that there is not a easy path in legally, and yes, there are many people coming in from other states.  I have met a number of people from California. There does seem to be quite an exodus going on from there for some reason. But the movement from Mexico is unnecessary growth. I suspect you fall into our esteemed governor Perry's camp of "free movement of labor across the border" (paraphrase.) I can't help it if Mexico's population grew almost 10x in a century (counting those recent immigrants to the US) and their economy could not keep up. (13 million around 1900 to 130 million in 2007 counting recent immigrants to US. and their children See wikipedia) -remember the official population of Mexico does not include Mexicans in US even if a certain former Mexican President has said "Wherever their is a Mexican, there is Mexico."

 

Clarification

 

So how is opposing the largest ever imminent Domain Seizure in US history of hundreds of thousands of acres of private property that will be given to a Spanish company make me "want the most stringent, micromanaging control of the future possible."?  Focus.  Your despising of free trade is wanting the most stringent, micromanaging control of the future possible.  Now, if you care to stick around...

I have my reservations about the TTC/I-69.  Namely, the "eminent domain" issue (though I don't think you counted the REAL largest eminent domain seizure: how do you think the Interstate Highway System came into being?  The states maintain the highways; guess who took the land?).  The rail aspect, especially: private companies build and maintain those, typically.  I'm thinking it would be much cheaper to have Union Pacific build the rail line and to have TXDoT bite the bullet and build I-69 itself.  The TTC is just another way to fund I-69, IMHO. 

As for a Spanish company being "given" the property": if it's the same company I am familiar with, they'll have to bid to operate it like anyone else, and I am not opposed to FDI.  We invest in Spain; they can invest here.  If their company manages toll roads much more efficiently, we should at least hear out their offer.  But, all that being said, my thoughts on the TTC are to be located in the paragraph above. 

I oppose the government seizing private property from US citizens to sell to some foreign company again, I suspect you exaggerate here: I'd be willing to bet that the Spanish company you cite will manage and mantain the toll road...which means their contract can be yanked at any time if they do a poor job and to make it easier to bring larger and larger amount of foreign goods into the US.  Which are coming because the U.S. goods you want to force me to buy are crappy and more expensive.  It's called "supply and demand" That is not "Free Trade"  That is a corporation using the force of government to push out the little guy- the farmers and ranchers.  Spoken just like a Socialist.  By chance do you live in Austin? 

I am no fan of unions. This has nothing to do with unions.  American companies have a hard time competing in part because of those unions and in part because of enviromentalist lawsuits.  Hence the foreign goods you so hate.  If the unions would stop pricing their labor out of the market, AND U.S. companies would get the message that the consumers just don't want to buy a crappy product, maybe there would be less foreign goods out there.  For the record, I have a truck made in MI by U.S. union labor made by a U.S. company.  Since they rewarded my expenses with a great product, I won't look overseas.  I will look once again to them when the time comes.  It really is that simple. I just understand that given the amount of farm lands that will have to be seized the enviros will and are already opposing this thing. Every once in a while they do something right.  Except that the enviros are opposed...well, generally speaking...to any development, period. 

Let me ask you this: if instead of a "TTC" as currently proposed, TXDoT built up U.S. 59 as I-69, and a rail line was built alongside it, would you object? 

As for Mexican immigration- most NOT ALL are illegal.  I think you would be surprised at the number of people of Mexican descent that don't like illegal immigration any more than you do.  Are there those who scream "RACIST!" anytime we as Americans try to do something about it?  Absolutely.  And yes, I have run into the "La Raza" types as well.  I know they are out there.  I hate illegal immigration as much as you do...but can we avoid throwing out the baby with the bathwater?  I have met a number of people from California. There does seem to be quite an exodus going on from there for some reason.  Because CA is hostile to economic growth, and TX is not.  CA is pretty much going to hell in a handbasket.  But the movement from Mexico is unnecessary growth.  What is "unnecessary growth"?  I could say that about people from CA as well who take their Socialistic world views with them.  I suspect you fall into our esteemed governor Perry's camp of "free movement of labor across the border" (paraphrase.)  You suspect wrong.  I don't mind movement of labor across the border - TO A POINT.  My point being is that they don't just walk right in wherever and however they want.  Why they can't be given green cards and be given time limits on their stay here is beyond me.  You want to come across and work the fields in the valley?  Fine, but we want to know who you are, and make sure you go home when the time comes.  You want to work in some trade?  You better have a green card.  Employers better not be hiring people without such documentation either.  If said immigrant is not willing to abide by these rules (or ones like them), I don't want their labor.  They can stay where they are.  And if they come across anyways, send them on back. 

Indeed, I know about their population.  Mexico is the most populous Spanish-speaking nation in the world.  If some want to permanently emigrate here, they can, and IF they follow all the rules the rest of us immigrants and descendants thereof had to follow, we should welcome them.  Otherwise, they get bounced. 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Alternatives?

"...After all, up to this point, solutions actively discussed by press members include relative trivialities like changing light bulbs, purchasing hybrid cars..."

I watch this area on a consistent basis and came across this article early today;

AllAfrica- A PhD is calling for a 5yr freeze on biofuel production in light of the fact that it leads to more starvation as well as higher food prices.

... Zeigler, the UN Special Rapporteur on the right to food, told reporters in New York that converting crops such as maize, wheat and sugar into fuels was driving up the prices of food, land and water, according to a UN statement. Noting that the price of wheat has doubled in one year, he warned that if the prices of food crops continued to rise, the poorest countries will not be able to import enough food for their people.

"It is a crime against humanity to convert agricultural productive soil into soil which produces food stuff that will be burned into biofuel."

Ziegler argued that biofuels will only lead to further hunger in a world where an estimated 854 million people (1 out of 6) already suffer from the scourge; 100,000 people die from hunger or its immediate consequences every day; and every five seconds, a child dies from hunger. ...

He defines hunger as man made.

Do we freeze people by eliminating an energy source or starve them by providing an alternative?

JDW

Sen Clinton: Founder of Media Matters

 

Yet another shining example

Another example, as if we needed another, that the MSM is not interested in informing the public, just interested in indoctrinating them and pushing their ideology.



The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Fred08.com

We were told this would be

We were told this would be for our own good. And that it would be painless.

The idiots never learned from DDT.

The environmentalist are crazy, arrogant, idiots, with blood on their hands. Far more blood than they claim is on W's hands.

They're the enemy of mankind.

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

We were told this would be


We were told this would be for our own good. And that it would be painless.

Wasn't it also suppose to be profitable for energy producers and good for the economy?

"We were told this would be

"We were told this would be for our own good. And that it would be painless."

Well, I've heard freezing to death is pretty painless. :) One more reason to hope global warming is real, and that it doesn't end any time soon.

The Stooges

Nobel Laureate Al Gore, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Cal.), and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Cal.)... Geez! Larry, Moe and Curly. All people whose future I wouldn't bet a dime on!

Time to dump these losers, do the math, build the plants and sterilize the envirowhacks.

 

I suggest Newsbusters check out Ottertail

Mr. Sheppard you are making a huge mistake in your assumption that "coal fired powerplants" are being stopped. They are no more being stopped than wind plants are being stopped everywhere......No where except Teddy Kennedy's back pool.

Coal fired plants are being stopped where the pretty people live as always. Just like the people of the northern plains were nuclear fodder during the Cold war while the pretty people lived without missiles in their back yard.

I suggest you once again research Ottertail Power of Minnesota and see how they are busy building COAL FIRED PLANTS out of pretty people Minnesota and into South Dakota.

Ottertail is currently building Big Stone II (Big Stone I is already up and running for 30 plus years polluting the skies of South Dakota so all the pretty people in big cities can have electricity and clean air.)

Coal is mined out of Wyoming and Montana, rail shipped to the Dakotas which have few people, but lots of power plants and the electricity ends up in huge lines going east.

What EVERYONE SHOULD BE INTERESTED IN IS THIS:

Big Stone I was using water run off as it takes billions of gallons of water a year to cool these plants. MINNESOTA HAS A LAW NOW THAT NO MORE WATER CAN BE TAKEN FROM THE BIG STONE LAKE SYSTEM which Ottertail promise South Dakotans is how the plant would be cooled.

Now instead politicians have "granted Ottertail to take billions of gallons of water out of the Veblen Acquifer" which is one of the last clean water untapped acquifers in the world...........and Ottertail is going to use it to cool coal soot. Try drinking that.

So with clean water being a scarce commodity in this world, Ottertail is going to use it to rape the natural resources of a rural state so clean state Minnesota can make billions in profits.

I have posted here that Gorilla Project is now underway for a massive theft of Missouri River water in billions of gallons so a NEW OIL REFINERY WILL BE BUILT IN SOUTH DAKOTA polluting the entire region.

So Mr. Sheppard, respectfully, your idea in blaming greens for stopping coal plants is not the way it works. The greens are still in globalists building coal plants, but just in poverty areas raping them while the large population states feed on people like electric cannibals.

No one is covering this rape of American resources and as our population grows and is now going green electric as more plants are to be built it is past time that someone starts asking why on earth are liberals being allowed to demolish water systems that America will need.
This watershed takes great amounts of water to replenish as South Dakota is an arid region prone to 5 year drought cycles. What happens when American need water and it is all up in coal fired plants mists.

I have no problem with coal plants, but in dealing with the owners they could care less about alternative gravity flow hydro systems I created as the "billions are already invested in the coal plants to be built".
There is the counter balance electric plant I explained here before and not even Alec Baldwin will touch that as it does not make money for the liberal industries which Al Gore is feeding.

Check out the real power grid monopoly and how it is all sown up in the same way the Rockefeller oil companies got rid of rail, soy diesel engines and stopped drilling for oil in America to keep them buying an expensive OPEC supply for their balance of trade.

Coal plants are being built in the poverty areas against the people's will, but without votes there the pollution wins.

Oh and the Sioux were promised by Bill Clinton to never have the Veblin Acquifer EVER tampered with........too bad as that water is about to disappear because "green globalists" demand new plants to fire up their electric cars.

So poor people can suck coal dust and die while people of the east and west regions can drive their electric cars breathing clean air.

When is someone going to break this story instead of ignoring it.

 

*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS

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A lot of the AGW stuff is funny. 

Not this.  This is scary.  At a minimum, the cost of energy is going to go way up.  So another segment of poor people, along with those who buy corn as a food staple, are going to be victimized by Al Gore, James Hansen and the idiots who listen to them.  All for a theory that gets less credible by the month.

Umm, let's see, Noel.

The enviro-kooks don't like coal, they don't like gas turbines, they don't like oil (or any if its derivatives), they don't like nautural gas, they don't like wind (kills birds), they don't like hydro (kills fish), they don't like nuclear, and I am confident that they would probably find something wrong with pedal-powered generators, too.

You know, if I didn't (cough) know better, I'd swear these people are opposed to anything that would enable economic growth/expansion of any kind.

We are not traveling to the stars, we are headed to darkness.

 happy halloween! is ok. Merry Christmas is not.

Under the best of construction practices a power plant will take 10 years to build.

nuk juice = $1.50 /KW

oil juice =  $3.50/KW

solar juice = $ 16.00/ KW

I NEVER SEEN A STEEL PLANT RUNNING ON SOLAR!

 

 

Entitlement over infrastructure every SINGLE time.

 

ucw,

I NEVER SEEN A STEEL PLANT RUNNING ON SOLAR!

Exactly!

But folks, this just gets

But folks, this just gets better!!!  Let's for the sake of argument consider the econut/Dem alliance is successful in blocking any new power plant other than natural gas, wind or solar.  What would be the results?  First consider that a natural gas fired turbine is one of the more expensive electrical generating means beyond coal, and that this cost is what is being used to set all electric rates.  So the short term response of the utilities to meet the rising electric consumption is to run those natural gas generators which they normally only use for peaking purposes (10 a.m. to 2 p.m. or so)  and run those 24/7.  That means the cost of all the off peak rates jump by at least 3 times, pushing the whole electric bill (yours) up by double.

Wind turbines will get built left and right but you don't get 100% utilization since the wind doesn't blow 24/7, so count on brown outs.  Solar power you can only practically use between 10 a.m. and 2 p.m. which will help off set the use of natural gas generators meeting base electrical use.  Because of the cost of solar is way greater than natural gas, the price for peak electricity now doubles.  That means your electric bill now will increase an additional 50% on top of the doubling.  So if you are use to paying $200/month for electricity within 10 years or sooner that bill will go to around $500/month.  You can thank the Dems and Econuts.

But we are not done here, since the natural gas generators will be running 24/7, that means all you homeowners using natural gas for cooking and heating get the delightful privledge of paying double or triple the what your use to paying during the winter time.  Since natural gas bills are monthly demand based, you may even be paying 10 times what you are paying now and that's if you are on a public utility that passes on the monthly spot price.  I suggest very strongly you get deregulated gas at a fixed gas contract price where the contract is set during the summer say around May or June.

So where does that leave you folks?  Take a good hard look at your utility bills and decide what you can afford to pay.  If you are considering a solar panel on your roof, then the payback should not be figured on what you pay now but on what you will be paying in the future (2.5 to 3 times).  The payback period will be more realistic. 

BTW- if you have an older roof, replace it first and then put on the panels that way you know you will get at least 10 to 20 years before having to haul everything down to fix that roof leak.

Ultimately, the celebs and rich people like Al Gore who literally use half of the nation's residential electricity will have to cut back.  They won't do it willingly, they will pay whatever price the utility charges because they have the money.  When 15 million people use as much electric as the rest of the 285 million people combined, somethings got to give.  Either we are in the dark or they need to reduce to our level of consumption.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.