
Is the New York Times lobbying to eliminate the term "illegal immigrant" because, in its view, this designation is both politically incorrect and racist?
Such appears to be the case judging from an editorial written by Lawrence Downes and published Sunday.
Downes began (emphasis added throughout, h/t Hot Air):
I am a human pileup of illegality. I am an illegal driver and an illegal parker and even an illegal walker, having at various times stretched or broken various laws and regulations that govern those parts of life. The offenses were trivial, and I feel sure I could endure the punishments - penalties and fines - and get on with my life. Nobody would deny me the chance to rehabilitate myself. Look at Martha Stewart, illegal stock trader, and George Steinbrenner, illegal campaign donor, to name two illegals whose crimes exceeded mine.
Good thing I am not an illegal immigrant. There is no way out of that trap. It's the crime you can't make amends for. Nothing short of deportation will free you from it, such is the mood of the country today. And that is a problem.
Downes seems to misunderstand that in America, like most democracies, people who are successfully prosecuted for committing crimes are penalized, and then indeed rejoin society if their sentence so dictates. Such was even the case for both individuals he specifically named, Stewart and Steinbrenner.
Regardless of his obvious lack of knowledge concerning U.S. legal and penal practices, Downes continued:
America has a big problem with illegal immigration, but a big part of it stems from the word "illegal." It pollutes the debate. It blocks solutions. Used dispassionately and technically, there is nothing wrong with it. Used as an irreducible modifier for a large and largely decent group of people, it is badly damaging. And as a code word for racial and ethnic hatred, it is detestable.
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Since the word modifies not the crime but the whole person, it goes too far. It spreads, like a stain that cannot wash out. It leaves its target diminished as a human, a lifetime member of a presumptive criminal class. People are often surprised to learn that illegal immigrants have rights. Really? Constitutional rights? But aren't they illegal? Of course they have rights: they have the presumption of innocence and the civil liberties that the Constitution wisely bestows on all people, not just citizens.
Extraordinary nonsense, wouldn't you agree? After all, any alien presently in this country illegally can indeed rectify the situation. He or she is only a "lifetime member of a presumptive criminal class" if he or she continues to violate the law or the law is changed.
What is Downes not understanding about this simple concept?
Yet, that is not the only source of his confusion, for Downes appears to believe that it is actually the word "illegal" which is governing the public's view of the problem:
Meanwhile, out on the edges of the debate - edges that are coming closer to the mainstream every day - bigots pour all their loathing of Spanish-speaking people into the word. Rant about "illegals" - call them congenital criminals, lepers, thieves, unclean - and people will nod and applaud. They will send money to your Web site and heed your calls to deluge lawmakers with phone calls and faxes. Your TV ratings will go way up.
This is not only ugly, it is counterproductive, paralyzing any effort toward immigration reform. Comprehensive legislation in Congress and sensible policies at the state and local level have all been stymied and will be forever, as long as anything positive can be branded as "amnesty for illegals."
So, the fact that these folks are called "illegals" is why both Republican and Democrat controlled Congresses haven't reformed immigration policy since this issue really exploded in March 2006?
This is either extraordinarily facile and addle-minded or totally disingenuous. The reason immigration reform has yet to be achieved is because neither Party has been able to formulate a tenable solution that will successfully get through Congress AND score political points with the electorate.
Ironically, Downes epitomized this political conundrum in his conclusion which offered only a castigation of solutions currently on the table with nary a suggestion of his own:
We are stuck with a bogus, deceptive strategy - a 700-mile fence on a 2,000-mile border to stop a fraction of border crossers who are only 60 percent of the problem anyway, and scattershot raids to capture a few thousand members of a group of 12 million.
None of those enforcement policies have a trace of honesty or realism. At least they don't reward illegals, and that, for now, is all this country wants.
So, Lawrence, if these strategies are so bogus and deceptive, what's the answer?
Sadly, much like most on the left today, his modus operandi is to criticize all options currently being considered without presenting better alternatives. What is it about this iteration of liberals that makes such a deficiency so prevalent?
Maybe even worse, this strategy might have been beneficial for the left when Republicans controlled Congress. As that changed in January, one might have expected less of a defensive posture from Democrats AND from the media that support them.
Unfortunately, those running the 110th Congress have shown themselves to have as little to offer solution-wise as the Times.
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Not Illegal to be in the United States without a Visa
October 28, 2007 - 12:15 ET by allanfRacist -- that's a stretch only liberal bigots could manage.
Perhaps instead of "illegal immigrant", we should use the term "deportable aliens". The term "undocumented alien" is just a lie. They have documents, just not the correct ones. Suprisingly, the term "illegal immigrant" is often somewhat of a misnomer. That's because United States Code dealing with mostly classifies aliens here without Visas as "deportable"
Under most circumstances, it is only a misdemeanor to enter the United States improperly. However, continued presence in the United States is not, an ongoing crime (with some exceptions).. Persons who had a legal Visa and overstay the Visa have not committed a crime. They are merely considered deportable and can be removed at the discretion of the US Attorney General. Those who crossed the border unlawfully are also deportable. But they have only committed a misdemeanor.
In many cases "illegal immigrants" have not committed any crime under current US Code. So the term is a bit of a misnomer. Perhaps the US Code should change, so that the term is not a misnomer?
"Undocument" is unlikely to suit the situation
October 28, 2007 - 13:41 ET by Ten7sAnd in the near future "Undocument" is unlikely to suit the situation in any way, shape or form. From NYDailyNews online:
Not Undocumented
October 28, 2007 - 14:48 ET by allanfThese people are not undocumented. They just don't have the right documents to work or reside in the United States.
As for Governor Spitzer, he is determined to make an even bigger mess. Three kinds of driver's licenses sounds utterly rediculous. He has angered his left wing base by changing course. Now he pleases no one.
nor homeless
October 28, 2007 - 14:49 ET byas they do have homes just not in the US
oh those poor orphan Menedez brothers.........
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Offended by illegal immigrant?
October 29, 2007 - 09:55 ET by pbanks7Yes. I prefer "illegal alien." ;^)
Let's see 'em get past customs without the proper documents.
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
I agree with the NYT: we
October 28, 2007 - 12:11 ET by MikeBI agree with the NYT: we should all stop using the term "illegal immigrant", and go back to using the term "illegal alien".
Many, if not most, of them are not "immigrants" as their intent is only to be here a few years then go back home to a better life made possible by their sending their illegal gains back home.
They are "aliens" in that they are citizens of another country with no intent of becoming citizens of this one.
Yes, I am aware that some of them have been here for many years. If they had the intent of becoming citizens of this country, they'd have to go back to their country and do it right and earn their citizenship. As it is, many want the Democrats to give them what they haven't earned. It is unfortunate that Bush is cooperating with the Dems on this issue. They and he are wrong.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Good Job Noel
October 28, 2007 - 12:16 ET by well99To break this down for Downes in simple terms.Illegals are called that because they are illegally in this country.It doesnt matter if they are Irish,German.Mexican,Chinese, or any other nationality. Downes is obviously a racist since he only believes it to be people that are spanish speaking that are illegals.
Next, they'll swap "looter" for...
October 28, 2007 - 12:18 ET by kch50428"cosumer with indefinate, non-documented deffered payment plan". Liberals will redefine things until they can make them acceptable.
LOL
October 28, 2007 - 12:20 ET by well99Dont give them ideas.
Sorry Noel, I think you
October 28, 2007 - 12:24 ET by I-BurnSorry Noel, I think you missed it. Downes gave you the solution - at least the one that he, and other libs favor. "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"! ie Let them in, let them stay, make them citizens, and keep them voting Democrat.
The fact that the majority of the country *doesn't* want this is completely irrelavant - Our betters have decided that this is what they want and we ignorant peasants don't have any say in the matter.
There is no "Sensible gun control". There is freedom, or there is not, period!
I agree with the NYT. "Illegal immigrant" is not appropriate.
October 28, 2007 - 13:18 ET by Dave RI prefer a term that is far closer to reality:
Criminal Invaders.
Note: Edited due to lack of coffee.
"Look at Martha Stewart,
October 28, 2007 - 13:14 ET by S P"Look at Martha Stewart, illegal stock trader"
Umm, hellooo. Was Martha Stewart not convicted on obstruction of justice charges? I could have sworn that she was cleared of all wrongdoing on the trades themselves, but then she just took the fall in the obstruction case for making false statements, etc. The trades themselves were found to be legal, if memory serves, just like Tom DeLay's fund raising activities. =)
Inflammatory words--intentional?
October 28, 2007 - 13:37 ET by SeptemberI don't know if it's accurate but Bill O'Reilly quoted a 17% illegal alien population in U.S. prisons. If it's correct, I'm shocked. In the meantime, Mr. Downes goes on about how the word illegal "pollutes the debate. It blocks solutions" and that it is "a code word for racial and ethnic hatred".
If he wanted solutions he might settle down at his PC and type up a paragraph or two about the prison population, white and brown flight, overextended social services, health care and public schools rather than accuse people of making up "code words".
I am a human pileup of illegality. I am an illegal driver and an
illegal parker and even an illegal walker, having at various times
stretched or broken various laws and regulations that govern those
parts of life.
And this just makes Downes seem like a man looking for excuses for himself. Not a good way to gain favor for your argument.
America has a big problem
October 28, 2007 - 13:53 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsAmerica has a big problem with illegal immigration, but a big part of it stems from the word "illegal."
It pollutes the debate. It blocks solutions. Used dispassionately and
technically, there is nothing wrong with it. Used as an irreducible
modifier for a large and largely decent group of people, it is badly
damaging. And as a code word for racial and ethnic hatred, it is detestable.
And not using the word 'illegal' to describe the invading aliens is a detestable slap in the face of all the 'legal' immigrants here who have played by the rules.
D
Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.
How about "unlawful
October 28, 2007 - 14:10 ET by Emma GrumpHow about "unlawful intruders" or "uninvited strangers" or "unwanted guests" ? Call 'em anything you want, but it all comes back to ILLEGAL ALIENS".
And as a man, I think the
October 28, 2007 - 14:40 ET by Sonny LykosAnd as a man, I think the word "rapist" should be eliminated. After all, the act is merely the "unauthorized" insertion of one of man's appendages into a woman's receptacle. And if it occurs during a date when drugs are ingested by the woman and she's unconscious, it then merely becomes an "undocumented" act of an appendage insertion.
So let's replace "rape" with "unauthorized appendage insertion."
OH NOEZ! THEY CALLD ME AN
October 28, 2007 - 14:49 ET by bretzysdudeOH NOEZ! THEY CALLD ME AN ILLEGAL! DAT HURT MAH FEELINGS! IM TOTALLY BUTTHURT!
Ahm no wayyyz
October 29, 2007 - 09:59 ET by pbanks7Ahm no wayyyz tarrrd....
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
}}---> Tarrd
October 29, 2007 - 10:08 ET by Cool ArrowMan, that's bad when you getz butthurt. I'm cracking up.
They're Still Illegal In Syracuse
October 28, 2007 - 14:53 ET by NoMoreClintonsHere's one paper that doesn't play that game:
http://www.syracuse....
Illegal Any Way You Look At It
October 28, 2007 - 16:23 ET by NoMoreClintons"a large and largely decent group of people"
Oh really, Mr. Downes? And how many of these "largely decent" illegal immigrants do you know or come into close contact with as you sit in your ivory tower? Would you like to hear about my experience? I'm going to tell you anyway. At the New Jersey shore, where I own a house, a group of illegal immigrants was allowed to move into a $500,000 townhouse two doors down from me for $600 a month by the absentee owner. Why, I don't know. But what I do know is this: they are a bunch of low-class lowlifes who have made life miserable for the people on this street. There seems to be about a dozen of them living there with new ones coming and others leaving all the time. It is a flophouse for illegals.
They drink all night into the early hours and during the summer they could be heard making a loud racket on an almost nightly basis. Of course, all of this racket is in Spanish which nobody around here wants to hear. They are constantly coming and going in their loud, smelly cars which they usually leave idling first for 10-15 minutes at a time. The exhaust fumes frequently come into our windows and have made my wife nauseated at times. They gather on the sidewalk in front of "their" townhouse jabbering in loud voices in their foreign language with no regard for anybody else. I have seen them blowing their noses directly onto the sidewalk and hocking off the deck on the second floor onto the street or sidewalk. Once a week on recycling days there are at least four 55 gallon trash cans full of beer bottles and cans from their nightly drinking bouts. Most of them have no visible means of support. God knows how long they plan to be here. And this is a middle-class type of neighborhood consisting of families which has never had the pleasure of being exposed to this type of cultural diversity in the past. The police have been called on numerous occassions but New Jersey is an illegal-friendly state so we basically have no recourse. They are the scum of the earth. So, please, Mr. Downes don't preach to me about how they are "largely" a bunch of decent people. My experience tells me otherwise.
Prohibido ser aquí
October 28, 2007 - 16:58 ET by JDWbigots pour all their loathing of Spanish-speaking people into the word. Rant about "illegals" - call them congenital criminals, lepers, thieves, unclean - and people will nod and applaud
I looked at the jpg before reading the blog and suddenly stopped. Realize these signs run across our border yet who is complaining about the fact they are not written in English?
...Nobody would deny me the chance to rehabilitate myself. Look at Martha Stewart, illegal stock trader, and George Steinbrenner, illegal campaign donor, to name two illegals whose crimes exceeded mine. ...
What? These are American citizens. How are illegals rehabilitating?
...People are often surprised to learn that illegal immigrants have rights. Really? Constitutional rights? But aren’t they illegal? Of course they have rights: they have the presumption of innocence and the civil liberties that the Constitution wisely bestows on all people, not just citizens. ...
Rights are earned, not bestowed. This is nothing more than a nauseous political gesture to obtain voters.
JDW
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Amazing
October 28, 2007 - 17:12 ET by SlicksterThe NYT doesn't understand the meaning of illegal or racist.
I argree with DaveR "criminal invaders" is a more fitting term.
You can make amends for:
October 28, 2007 - 17:13 ET by wiwfYou can make amends for: WAIT IN THE FRIGGIN LINE!!!
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
This issue is a winner...
October 28, 2007 - 20:40 ET by timothe...for conservatives. I don't think the open borders crowd realizes just how much they are outnumbered on this issue. That's why the Dems don't talk about it in their debates...they need to keep their views hidden.
I hope the GOP presses the debate in this direction as we move closer to 2008. It could be the "gay marriage" issue for the upcoming election.
It's the real world, Mr. Downes
October 28, 2007 - 21:26 ET by SeptemberNoMoreClintons:
Your description rings true of my neighborhood in many ways. We're not talking about the cute little families the LMSM drags out to exploit as victims who are stable and decent; we are talking about the multi-renters, the house where you don't know who the he** lives there because the occupants come and go like ants in an anthill. Loud music, loud cars, loitering on lawns, partying to the wee hours (call police, again--luckily our police are good at responding), shooting off guns (many, especially on holidays like New Year's). I'll also mention those that stay, the second generations: children who join gangs and create their own kind of havoc---vandalism and spray-painting anything that doesn't move.
This is what our government has created by ignoring our borders. A class of people destined to remain poor and unassimilated, dependent on government life-support.
Yup. Mr. Downes is no doubt in an ivory tower. I think he's uniquely unqualified to understand the seriousness of the situation. I'm not white and I don't live in a tower and I simply want our sense of law and order back, of safety and serenity and accountabiliy. Citizens and legal immigrants live by the law and are punished if we don't; illegals should not be any different.
This is a joke!!! LOL .
October 28, 2007 - 22:21 ET by mostlymoderateThis is a joke!!! LOL . Wonder what the "politically correct" term is? Non-citizen? Less-than-legal-resident? Citizenship hijacker? Oh well, we call black's "African American's" and 99.99999% of them have never stepped foot in Africa so I can see it coming.
We should call them what they are: illegal-alien-liabilities.
}}---> Pure and simple
October 28, 2007 - 23:31 ET by Cool ArrowNature abhors a vacuum.
Illegal aliens are Replacement Americans.
We had a whole passle of bright, energetic, promising Americans in the works, but they would've spoiled our fun.
We've sown . . .
The libs aborted the next
October 29, 2007 - 10:27 ET by pbanks7The libs aborted the next generation of the dependent class. They have to import more so they'll have a chance to stay competitive in elections, as well as financing the great Socialism Security Pyramid.
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
Code Word
October 28, 2007 - 23:37 ET by fitzfong"And as a code word for racial and ethnic hatred, it is detestable."
The tired phrase "code word for racial and ethnic hatred" is, in fact, code. It means "I'm desperate. I'm intellectually bankrupt, I'm lazy and I'm getting my butt kicked. I've got no substantive argument, and I need to bail out before I'm totally exposed as a fraud. Therefore I will throw out a dishonestly-loaded perjorative that will end the argument completely and allow me to maintain my undeserved sense of moral superiority". Of course, this trick works with the mental lightweights that read the New York Times.
I read some of yall's rants
October 29, 2007 - 00:40 ET by Dan The Man 2I read some of yall's rants and they seemed to be full of hate. I live in Dallas Area and have none of these problems. Some of the rants strike me a racist and bigots in the way they are potrayed. I can see if you bought a 500K home, a mistake in my estimation, and see it being taken over by good ole boys. I say good ole boys because we have a numnber of families in my nieghborhood that sound similar except they are white. I guess Im poor white trash.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
}}---> Me too Dan
October 29, 2007 - 00:55 ET by Cool ArrowExcept I want to know where I can rent a $500K house for 600/mo.
I wouldn't rent my humble San Angelo casa for that money.
He hit the nail on the
October 29, 2007 - 07:02 ET by TexasOptimistHe hit the nail on the head. Being undocumented is not a CRIME in itself. At most, it is a tort offense, off limits in criminal courts. My views on this issue have changes over the past several months. I used to be an "enforce-and-deport" supporter. But as I have seen how such efforts are so economically damaging to the country, my position has shifted. And Noel... by automatically assuming that supporters of immigrants' rights are leftists, it is YOU that is showing stereotyping. After all, people like Jeff Jacoby and Linda Chavez are FAR from being leftists, don't you think?
How is this nonsense? He is precisely, completely, totally, 100% correct.
George W. Bush is not a full-fledged conservative, but I still support his presidency. (Although I am rethinking this position daily!) Still, I'd rather have him as president than ANY of the Democrats. Merry Christmas 2007.
We have a choice
October 29, 2007 - 08:12 ET by timotheAs the greatest nation in the world, we should be able to choose the people we allow to immigrate to our country. By deporting those who are here illegally and controlling our borders, we will be able to offer our borders to the best and brightest in the world. Why would our nation wish to settle for 12 to 14 million people, mostly from one of the most uneducated nations in the world when we could instead be granting citizenship to future scientists, business leaders, and other skilled professional people?
Unfortunately, there is an answer to that question and when you get to THAT answer, you'll understand why the open borders crowd is the least passionate, not the most passionate, group of people.
Not surprising that the New
October 29, 2007 - 07:35 ET by BenderNot surprising that the New York Time authors are trying to reclassify 'illegal immigrant' as racist. Its a play straight from the Mao's Little Red Book of Communism or Stalin.
When critics use a term to describe you, ban the word.
Another sterling example of how liberals are anything but liberal.
Many are secretly fascists at heart who seek to ban free speech. Free speech meaning anything that is critical of them. Example: the "Fairness Doctrine" -- squelch the trouble makers.
}}---> Hate Crimes & Free Speech
October 29, 2007 - 07:45 ET by Cool ArrowIt cannot be ignored how much Hate Crimes legislation has infringed on free speech. These laws were passed strictly for the purpose of double, and now, triple jeopardy.
You got State/Local, you got Civil Rights, and you've got Hate Crime.
It's hard to make a case against the need for Civil Rights legislation, but Hate crimes? Only TruthMonger is capable of seeing into the hearts of men.
Downes syndrome
October 29, 2007 - 11:30 ET by wizardjrThis man is the iconic leftist. Let's rename something so it no longer seems bad. You will now feel OK about it because it is no longer 'illegal'. Personally, I like Illegal Invaders. It is more accurate considering that most of them do not want to assimilate, just grab any wealth they can and ship it south while culturally remaining non-American. And... why are they here? Simple - their crappy culture caused them to trash their own economy/country. So much for all cultures are equal.
Can anyone explain to me
October 29, 2007 - 12:37 ET by BeowulfCan anyone explain to me what "race" these whatever you want to call them are? What "ethnicity"? How can one be "racist" when there is no race to be racist against? How can you have ethic hate when there is no defined ethnicity? Or is the NYT saying all "illegal" immigrants are from one race and ethnic background? And wouldn't THAT be racist if untrue?
America has a big problem with illegal immigration, but a big part of it stems from the word "illegal." Since the word modifies not the crime but the whole person, it goes too far. It spreads, like a stain that cannot wash out. It leaves its target diminished as a human, a lifetime member of a presumptive criminal class.
Is this such a difficult concept to grasp? If you break the law, you are a criminal. That's what defines a criminal. One who breaks the law. As long as they remain in this country illegally, meaning NOT legally or "undocumented", then they are indeed a member of a presumptive criminal class. And how does "the word modify" either the crime or the person? The are in this country illegally, hence the word "illegal". This ain't rocket science, people. Criminals do things that are "illegal", and are therefore "criminals". They will never not be criminals as long as they continue to break the law. I'm even for forgiveness in this case. Go back where you came from and belong, and I won't call you a criminal or illegal any more...
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers
Gah!
October 29, 2007 - 17:13 ET by UndercoverConservativewhat's next? This guy whines that once you've committed the crime you're stuck util you make it right by getting out and starting over?
Face it. It's like pedophelia. You tar yourself voluntarily with a brush of an illegal act, who are you to complain when you aren't "forgiven and forgotten"? Don't like that? How about you don't commit the crime (invading a sovereign nation) in the first place?
Sheesh.