Be honest: when you saw the news Sunday that a woman was going to be president in the next season of the hit series "24," you smelled something akin to when ABC made a similar announcement concerning "Commander in Chief," and CBS hired Katie Couric.
Well, according to Politico, the failure of both is actually not good news for Hillary Clinton (h/t Hot Air).
But, before we get there, what was also fascinating about this piece was how the producer of "Commander in Chief" admitted a political goal behind casting Geena Davis as the first female president (emphasis added throughout):
When Hollywood producer Rod Lurie created fictional president Mackenzie Allen in 2005 for the show "Commander in Chief" he made no mistake about one of his goals: tilling the soil of popular culture so that it would soon be easier for a real woman to take root in a nonfiction Oval Office.
[...]
Lurie, the creator and executive producer of "Commander in Chief," is strikingly direct that from the first episode of the show he hoped Hollywood could be a lever for changing Washington.
"Those of us who were intimately involved in the show did have the agenda of trying to get a woman in the White House, not necessarily Hillary Clinton but any woman," he says. "What we liked was that the audience kept hearing the term ‘Madame President.'"
Yeah, there's no liberal bias in the media.
Moving forward, ABC's failure at pushing America towards Hillary - certainly, you can't possibly buy Lurie's "not necessarily Hillary" comment - undermines a common media meme concerning her candidacy:
The ratings of both the struggling "CBS Evening News" and the now-canceled ABC drama "Commander in Chief" call into question one of the premises of Clinton's political strategy: that women are eager to reward role models who break down gender barriers.
[...]
An analysis of ratings by Nielsen Media Research for Politico showed that competitors to the "Evening News" and "Commander in Chief" scored better with female viewers. The results undermine calculations by ABC and CBS that placing accomplished women in roles traditionally owned by men would be a ratings hit because of the number of female viewers drawn to one of their own.In particular, white women--a key swing bloc Clinton's campaign says it intends to focus on should she win the nomination--responded with a shrug to both Couric and "Commander in Chief."
Efforts to extrapolate political implications from Hollywood studio sets and network news desks should perhaps be taken cum grano salis. But some commentators say the experiences of Couric and Geena Davis, who played the president on the ABC drama, do indeed offer a cautionary tale for Clinton.
After crunching some current polling data, the article offered the following interesting conclusions:
"Given the historic nature of having a female Democrat running against a socially liberal Catholic Republican, it is remarkable how similar it appears the results would be to the 2004 election in which two white males representing the mainstream politics of the two parties faced off," a mid-June Gallup Poll report found.
"Most notably, it appears Clinton would run no stronger among women than Kerry did in 2004--or, for that matter, than Al Gore did when running against Bush in 2000."
How delicious.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.
Comments Policy
It would be foolish to
July 23, 2007 - 10:13 ET by mvfreemanIt would be foolish to consider women a lock step voting block akin to african-americans. They are not going to vote for somebody just because they are the same gender. Granted the hard core feminists will vote for her but they represent a small minority of women. The rest are going to vote for the most appealing candidate regardless of gender.
If I recall correctly having Geraldine Ferraro on the ticket didn't help the democrats like they thought it would.
Little ol' ladies
July 23, 2007 - 10:17 ET by dagdaThe older the woman the less likely they are to vote for Hillary. And little ol' ladies vote. Young ladies are less likely to.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
Yeah, my girlfriend and her
July 23, 2007 - 10:23 ET by ValendilYeah, my girlfriend and her mother (heck, my sisters and mother too) hate Hillary, and I don't use that word lightly. So not I don't think you can shoehorn all women into a single voting block.
"Geraldine Ferraro on the
July 23, 2007 - 10:25 ET by MightyMouth"...Geraldine Ferraro on the ticket didn't help"
The goal would be to get Hillary to "cry" at the podium. Suggestions anyone??
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
How to make Hillary cry...
July 23, 2007 - 10:35 ET by The Wicked ConservativeMention words like father, homeschool, capitalism, tax cuts etc.
Drown a baby polar bear.
Have Bill get caught being fallated by an intern.
You can't save the Earth unless You're willing to make other people sacrifice. Dogbert the Green Consultant summing up the elite left.
Roe EffectThe reason that
July 23, 2007 - 10:54 ET by vrwc13Roe Effect
"Consider future presidential elections in a swing state (like Ohio), and assume that the current patterns in fertility continue. A state that was split 50-50 between left and right in 2004 will tilt right by 2012, 54% to 46%. By 2020, it will be certifiably right-wing, 59% to 41%. A state that is currently 55-45 in favor of liberals (like California) will be 54-46 in favor of conservatives by 2020--and all for no other reason than babies." BY ARTHUR C. BROOKS Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT
The reason that Christianity is the best friend of government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart.
Thomas Jefferson
It's that James Taranto's
July 23, 2007 - 11:44 ET by motherbeltIt's that James Taranto's darned "Roe effect" again!
vrwc13, I just wanted
July 23, 2007 - 15:03 ET by Maverick313vrwc13,
I just wanted to tell you that I love your signature. It's too true to not acknowledge.
I am not against a woman being President, however I am against Hillary 100% and I am a woman. I can't stand her lecherous husband nor her for her ways of side-stepping serious questions that she would lambaste anyone else for ignoring. I don't like liberals for the mere fact that they are intolerant hippies.
If you don't stand behind our troops; please feel free to stand in front of them!
Which is exactly why the
July 24, 2007 - 08:29 ET by fosstenWhich is exactly why the Dems want to illegally import 50 million or so Mexicans. They know that they desperately need a voting bloc to make up for all their murdered population.
Forget 911, I dial 9MM.
}}}----> So right fossten
July 24, 2007 - 08:34 ET by Cool ArrowWhole lot easier to recruit from a heavily laced population of ready made welfare wards than take a chance on those unpredictable fetuses developing into self respecting Americans.
When is it going to get
July 23, 2007 - 10:24 ET by BruzillaWhen is it going to get through their thick heads that it isn't women so many Americans object to... it's Liberals that they object to.
Correct
July 23, 2007 - 10:29 ET by PawpawNYou are correct. I think many would vote for Condi Rice.
Elizabeth Dole
July 23, 2007 - 10:31 ET by dagdaI would have voted for Elizabeth Dole had she made the cut. I am not against a woman being president, I am against Hillary being president.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
[insert "Hillary a woman?" joke here]
July 23, 2007 - 11:48 ET by Challenger GrimI would have loved to vote for Rice or Dole.
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It is such a damn shame
July 23, 2007 - 14:27 ET by TruthMongerIt is such a damn shame that Condi is not running:(...wouldn't all of these libs be in a hell of a bind after decades of their BS rehetoric - Condi has already exposed a ton of their hypocracy as the lowly SOS...
The concept of a female prez is not necessarally lib bias is it? But I sure as hell don't buy this notion of the producer's favoring "any woman" as president - they want a lib in there that's for sure...
Gay haters unite!
I'm with you on those two,
July 23, 2007 - 14:41 ET by dscottI'm with you on those two, however, I think Ann Coulter or Michelle Malkin or even someone more highly intelligent like Phyllis Schlafly would have the tough, no nonsense character department all sewed up. Any of these three would have the necessary prerequisit of character for Senator or Rep.
I believe this is more of an issue of getting over the stereotypes of women in general not being perceived as tough enough without the viciousness (Hillary) to deal with the less than savory leaders in this world. There are too many meglomanics who lie with a straight face giving us Madeline Albright and the Dear Leader of the DPRK with the results of his possession of nuclear weapons and technology. The world is way too dangerous for this delusional "we all should get along and everyone wants to" thinking. World politics comes down a very predictable result, every decade we have to pick out a Saddam Hussein and off him to keep the rest of the lunatics in line and prove we can do exactly what we say. Cynical view of the world, yes, practical, unfortunately so.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane"
dscott, Back in the day,
July 23, 2007 - 17:51 ET by Blondedscott,
Back in the day, I thought that Nancy Kasselbaum (R - Kansas) would be the first woman on a presidential ticket. (Her father was Alf Landon).
For me, it's not a matter of a "woman" on the ticket.
I want what I always want in anyone....a boss, a subordinate, or an elected official...COMPETENCE.
The reasons for HRC's INCOMPETENCE are too numerous to list here, but first and foremost in my mind is her total egotism, self-aggrandizement and self-absorbtion. In her mind, everything revolves around Hillary. She's in it for herself....a dangerous, dangerous thing for a politician. She believes she deserves the Presidency because of who she is. I'm sure there's some psychiatric name for this condition....but I have news for Hillary....not going to happen.
Yes
July 23, 2007 - 23:06 ET by stratmanNarcissism.
Strat, Precisely.
July 23, 2007 - 23:11 ET by BlondeStrat,
Precisely.
An analysis of ratings by
July 23, 2007 - 11:46 ET by Challenger GrimAn analysis of ratings by Nielsen Media Research for Politico showed
that competitors to the "Evening News" and "Commander in Chief" scored
better with female viewers. The results undermine calculations
by ABC and CBS that placing accomplished women in roles traditionally
owned by men would be a ratings hit because of the number of female
viewers drawn to one of their own.
See? THAT'S what's wrong with TV/movies today. Too many think, "oh we have this hook, it'll be a hit!" instead of... oh I don't know, maybe actually TRYING to have decent writing and scripts?
I wonder if ABC/CBS were basing their rating calculations on Xena, Warrior Princess.
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Say, how many presidents
July 23, 2007 - 11:54 ET by Chris NormanSay, how many presidents have they had on 24, anyway? I'm not a loyal viewer, but it seems like they go though 'em like kleenex.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Xena for President
July 23, 2007 - 11:59 ET by dagdaIf they make Xena president I am watching Day Seven of 24.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
If Xena were president,
July 23, 2007 - 12:09 ET by Challenger GrimIf Xena were president, watch her and Jack enter into a romantic relationship.
(well, like THIS type of romance - it starts at marker 2:20)
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What? Are you calling Jack
July 23, 2007 - 12:12 ET by Jack BauerWhat? Are you calling Jack a lesbian?
Withdraw sir!
What? Aren't you a lesbian
July 23, 2007 - 12:28 ET by Challenger GrimWhat? Aren't you a lesbian trapped in a man's body? (or are you saying you like guys?)
Besides, if anyone make Xena straight, we'd know Jack would be one of the top 5.
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Besides, if anyone make
July 23, 2007 - 12:32 ET by Jack BauerWell, as you put it THAT way... she is also a rather fetching Cylon on Battlestar Gallactica as well.
I accept your challenge sir. Though most of the women Jack gets involved with end up dead or tortured.
See? That's why Xena's
July 23, 2007 - 12:45 ET by Challenger GrimSee? That's why Xena's perfect for Jack. We all know death doesn't stop her and torture... well isn't that just foreplay for her? [insert "rescue scene" here]
It's all in perspective. ;-)
P.S. Is the new BSG REALLY that good? That's another I'm debating about picking up on dvd.
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Wonder what is the best
July 23, 2007 - 12:16 ET by shawn228Wonder what is the best weapon, Xena's chakra or Jacks Bladder?.
If Xena were president, Rosie would be VP
July 23, 2007 - 12:18 ET by Free StinkerI can't believe 24 is still on the air.
. . . and I still haven't seen more than 20-30 seconds of any one episode.
fs
July 23, 2007 - 12:21 ET by shawn228It is a really good show FS. Watching it on TV is can be painful because you have to wait week after week. If you buy it on DVD you can watch it at your leisure. It can be very addicting.
24 - Bad TV at its' Wurst.
July 23, 2007 - 12:33 ET by Free StinkerMaybe I need to create a list of reasons why not to watch 24.
Problem is, that would exceed both the Iraq WMD & Global Warming? Phooey! lists.
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Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.
fs
July 23, 2007 - 12:54 ET by shawn228Awww, come on FS, even Noel enjoys watching 24. I think if you gave Day 1 a chance, it will be very hard to stop.
Cannot stand up to HBO
July 23, 2007 - 13:04 ET by dagda24 cannot match Deadwood or Rome. They are both far more compelling dramas. I am so sorry they both ended.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
Dagda
July 23, 2007 - 13:13 ET by shawn228Never watched Deadwood or Rome so I cannot comment on the quality of the shows. I would imagine if the ratings were good for those shows they would have not been cancelled. Sex and the City and the Sopranos both had very long runs. Although Dream on and Arliss wore out their welcome real quick.
Expense
July 23, 2007 - 13:18 ET by dagdaRome was cancelled because of the expense. Deadwood was cancelled because Davil Milch wanted to do a show called John from Cincinnati and HBO told him he would have to give up Deadwood to do it. So he gave up Deadwood. Go to IMDb and check the ratings for these two shows. They were not dropped because of the quality. Deadwood won a ton of Emmys. Rome was critically acclaimed.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
dag -- I don't think that's
July 23, 2007 - 13:19 ET by Jack Bauerdag -- I don't think that's a fair comparison. And I was a huge Deadwood fan.
24 one hour episodes with contraints on language and action, based around one guy.
Deadwood had a much bigger ensemble cast, and a dozen eps a season based in one location. And the final season 3 was an anti-climax really. Hearst was scary though.
JB et al
July 23, 2007 - 14:06 ET by Noel SheppardJB et al,
For what it's worth, though I never watched the show, my brother -- whose film, TV, and music opinions I value more than anyone else's -- claims "Deadwood" to be the finest drama ever on television, bar none.
ns
ns -- Deadwood was
July 23, 2007 - 15:08 ET by Jack Bauerns -- Deadwood was definitely up there.
However, because it was supposedly based on "true events," it committed a cardinal sin in classic storytelling from the Greeks onwards, as laid out by Joseph Campbell.
Having set up the magnificent Ian McShane as an anti-hero of Shakespearean power (I kid you not) it failed to reach a satisfactory resolution in a final battle between Swearengen (McShane) and the Alpha plus villain Hearst.
(There were many villains, not least the anti-hero McShane, but he played Swearengen so well you just rooted for the guy even when he was involved in very dark deeds)
It just copped out. All of a sudden, nothing happened. I was really peeved. Seriously.
For an all-time best-ever TV drama, the 1970s BBC series I, Claudius takes some beating. Also based on historical events, but ultimately satisfying.
I think McShane was in that too. Claudius was played by a young Derek Jacobi.
Actually, I'm waiting for
July 23, 2007 - 14:17 ET by Free StinkerActually, I'm waiting for Big Love to start showing on Bravo.
In lieu of that, I'm also waiting for a buddy to Loan me his copy of H7. He bought it at the midnite release, so he's probably done already.
SPOILER WARNING!
Harry Potter comes out of the closet! (just kidding)
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Heard it
July 23, 2007 - 14:20 ET by Challenger GrimHeard it already.
*yawn*
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Clearly I'm a big 24 fan...
July 23, 2007 - 12:07 ET by Jack BauerClearly I'm a big 24 fan... But as many have noted, while still watchable, Days 1, 2 & 3 will never be surpassed for plot, pace, and in your face.
Dennis Haysbert (first black POTUS), the remarkable Penny Johnstone as his Lady McBeth loon wife... Nina Myers, the epitome of evil. The scatty blonde Kim. The mountain Lion. Jack executing his boss.
Now of you're looking for something to match that... all 24 fans must see David Mamet's THE UNIT.
Not having Fox on my TV,
July 23, 2007 - 12:30 ET by Challenger GrimNot having Fox on my TV, I've wondered which 24 seasons I should try buying or renting. Thanx much for the advice.
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Be warned, even the first
July 23, 2007 - 13:27 ET by MightyMouthBe warned, even the first seasons challenge the limits of the believable. CTU (the most secure place in the world?) was slightly less secure than an open market in Baghdad! AND don't forget EVERYONE has a price and can be bought!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
You're talking to an anime
July 23, 2007 - 13:34 ET by Challenger GrimYou're talking to an anime fan. "Believable" isn't exactly a requirement for our entertainment. (just that the show follows it's own rules ;-)
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Challenger Grim
July 23, 2007 - 13:34 ET by shawn228You can buy all 5 seasons on Amazon for 175.00 with free shipping. When they are not on sale, they go for close to 50 bucks per season when sold individually. I disagree with Jack, I thought season 3 was kind of far fetched but loved every other season except for the most recent one.
Thanx, but we have a lot of
July 23, 2007 - 13:37 ET by Challenger GrimThanx, but we have a lot of used dvd stores in the area so I can probably find all 5 for closer to $150 on the first try. Probably even $75 if I look hard enough.
Although I have some other seasons to watch through first (plus I've been soaking up the latest uber-uncut releases of the Godzilla movies)
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Challenger
July 23, 2007 - 13:48 ET by shawn228Wow....its seems you and I have a lot in common for out taste in shows. I loved Godzilla, I also liked Gamera the turtle. Have you ever tried watching "The Justice League"? Very violent for a cartoon and great storylines as well
justice league
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
July 23, 2007 - 13:59 ET by Challenger GrimHave I watched Justice League?
*ROTFLMAO*
Sorry, you're talking to the guy that has the ENTIRE series on DVD. (loved the ending: "5 minute head start? You're getting soft" -Superman to Batman) The only cartoons better were the original Batman Animated Series (that started it all) and Samurai Jack (FINISH the series if you're not going to give us fans any more *cry). Teen Titans was a guilty pleasure.
I love just about everything on Cartoon Network. Though Family Guy and Adult Swim prove that when you try to be "political" and "topical" everything goes downhill and starts to suck.
Foster's home for Imaginary Friends is a current fave as well as Robot Chicken (the geekiest show EVER), and no, I don't have cable, I just try to catch all that I can when I'm near dvds/a friend's house.
I miss Megus XLR and wish that would be on dvd already.
And of course, the cancelation of Firefly was a crime against humanity. ;-)
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challenger grim
July 23, 2007 - 14:47 ET by shawn228Cartoon Network really p*ssed me off when they did not release the seasons until last year and only released selected packages. I would have liked to have not bought them out of protest, but i just loved them too much. Are you a gamer as well?. ie Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, God of war?
Gamer-lite
July 23, 2007 - 15:01 ET by Challenger GrimSort of, you could say I'm gamer-lite. I didn't even get the original Nintendo 8-bit till the SNES was out and I got maybe... 10 games each for those two systems.
I've always been a bit of a Computer gamer fan really. I LOVE the Thief games (see? http://www.youtube.c...) and have become a World of Warcrack addict.
But I've never been on Xbox live, haven't played much halo... etc etc. I just know enough about the gamer culture to pass myself off as one of them for extended periods. ;-)
I do enjoy off-beat games now and then. Spider-man 2 and Hulk: Ultimate Destructions were THE perfections of super-hero gaming in my opinion. In a similar vein I played all of the Tenchu series a little TOO much and thought the only flaw to Predator: Concrete Jungle was that it was too short. (need MORE)
I guess you could say I'm just a "fiction" fan in general. =D (hence why i write for fun)
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I still like playing
July 23, 2007 - 18:36 ET by Carl KolchakI still like playing "Galaga" and that is like 20+ years old. I also like "Splintercell" 1, 2, 3 and 4, as those are probably the coolest games I have ever played.
As far as "Samauri Jack" goes, I didn't know they didn't make a conclusion. I only caught a couple of those, but it was pretty good. Cartoon Network used to have a great lineup with "PowerPuff Girls" I would always crack up with Mojo Jojo. I also liked "Dexter's Labratory", they did a spoof on "Speed Racer" one time that was great. For the "Speed Racer" fans, everytime Racer X was on an episode the announcer would say "Unbeknownst to Speed, Racer X is his long lost brother Rex". Who was cooler Racer X or Speed Racer? I almost have to say Racer X. I also liked "Johnny Bravo" and would crackup watching those episodes. Still hard to beat "Top Cat" or "Scooby Do" though in my opinion.
"I'm a man of means by no means, King of the Road" 'King of the Road'
Open thread is your friend
July 23, 2007 - 18:38 ET by Matthew SheffieldGetting a little too far afield here
Can anyone explain to me
July 23, 2007 - 12:23 ET by mattmCan anyone explain to me why Ms. Rodham is the Democratic front running presidential candidate?
Obviously she's educated and has been an able politician for years, but so are thousands of other people who are far more appealing as a potential president.
She is a repulsive person. She's a master of double-speak. She's loaded with a scandalous past. Her main policy initiative (universal health care) was a huge failure...and may have been the thing that won the 1994 congressional election for the GOP.
So what is it that makes her the front-runner? It's almost as inexplicable to me as the interest in Paris Hilton's exploits.
hillary president? no
July 23, 2007 - 12:38 ET by vrwc13Current front runner because:
I predict it won't last though. Too many people dislike her to win the general election. 2nd prediction is she won't make the general election: 2008? = Thompson defeats Gore, easily.
The reason that Christianity is the best friend of government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart.
Thomas Jefferson
Better V.P. - Rice or Palin ??
July 23, 2007 - 14:23 ET by Free Stinkervrwc - don't you mean Thompson/Rice defeats Gore/Obama ??
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Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.
Connie Rice and Sarah Palin are mentioned in the same day. The GOP is instantly re-energiezed because that much awesome is just what the party needs.
Thompson/Rice defeats Gore/Obama
July 23, 2007 - 15:35 ET by vrwc13Looks good to me - hadn't thought through the whole ticket, but yeah, that looks good - both sides of "defeat".
The reason that Christianity is the best friend of government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart.
Thomas Jefferson
}}}----> mattm
July 23, 2007 - 13:33 ET by Cool ArrowHow can you forget, mattm.
Her husband's coattails. It's the N.O.W. thing these days.
All the above is true, but
July 23, 2007 - 14:13 ET by mattmAll the above is true, but the way I see it, she's still fingernails on a blackboard.
Everyone and their mother
July 23, 2007 - 13:03 ET by JDWEveryone and their mother is scratching and clawing to spin these Hollywood ect broads to attributes for sen Clinton.
How did Reagan's career affect his election? Why has Thompson's been ignored?
JDW
News media: Scoreboard for terrorists
Female "leaders" not an accident
July 23, 2007 - 13:34 ET by Lame CherryNone of this is by accident in female socialist "leaders" somehow coming onto the world stage offscreen either. Royale of France was supposed to be Hillary juniorette, but go trounced in setting the stage for Dame Clinton.
So socialist India trots out a female President to get it into the world's minds that females can lead.
Look though at the disaster at CBS with this affirmative action........as stated look at France with Royale being akin to Nancy Pelosi for lack of intelligence and the best India can offer is a woman in a shawl with a religious red dot on her forehead. Sorry liberal left, but I highly doubt the feminazi, Rosie O'Donnells and Christiane's are going to equate this as the kind of woman they want to be like.
This is an international push of socialist women candidates who prove disasters. They are not Golda nor are they Jeanne Kirkpatrick nor are they Thatcher....all women who battled for the job on their own merits and were very good at leadership.
You can not pick out the next Peyton Manning no more than the next Patton by affirmative action. If globalists want women to do their bidding for them they have to get some that are born to leading as what they have now........well Hillary proved she can beat on a husband with lamps and blackmail Congress with FBI files, but that kind of dictatorship gets you kicked out of office in one term.
Liberal women for some reason want the office handed to them.....and that just does not make a good government.
*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS
FICTION
July 23, 2007 - 16:08 ET byUsing a FICTIONAL TV show to use as a vehicle to trash Hillary has got to me the most pathetic thigh I've seen in years. Now, I'm not a big Hillary fan, but this has moved way beyond the pale of anything even resembling productive discourse. This is only a mechanism to illict an orgy of Pavlovian, venom-laced ranting. Congrats to all of you who fell for it.
I will be amused with this level of (non) discourse extends to the actress who will portray the woman president...
Did the bell go ding??
July 23, 2007 - 16:11 ET by dscottDid the bell go ding?? Got to turn up that hearing aid.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane"
Argh!
July 23, 2007 - 16:17 ET by Challenger GrimDon't you hate it when those people reply when they CLEARLY have not been reading/listening? (i.e. http://www.williamkw...)
It's like having someone come up to you screaming "Why do you want to kill all kittens?" and you just stare at them a moment before replying: "Ummm... we were talking about the new Harry Potter book."
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Female President
July 23, 2007 - 16:14 ET by dagda24 has never shown a President to be all black or all white. I think they will probably do the same to a woman. She will be neither all black or all white. It will be interesting seeing a female deal with the problems that the other presidents dealt with. Hopefully her husband will be the clone of Palmer's wife.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
SPQR
July 23, 2007 - 17:13 ET by Noel SheppardSP,
First off, can you cite for me from this article examples of Hillary trashing? I've just re-read it, and don't know what you're referring to.
Furthermore, I think you made a bit of a truly humorous Freudian slip with the following (emphasis added):
With this in mind, exactly who were you accusing of Hillary bashing? :-)
Physician, heal thyself. :-) ns
Not the article, the
July 23, 2007 - 18:02 ET byNot the article, the commentaries.
And your psychological credentials are what?
Nice try, thanks for playing...
SPQR, You write: "Using a
July 23, 2007 - 18:08 ET by hydrodynDMSPQR,
You write: "Using a FICTIONAL TV show to use as a vehicle to trash Hillary..."
You are clearly implying that Noel posted this as a way to give people here an excuse to bash H. Clinton.
Seem like a bit of armchair psychology to me.
So what are your credentials?
Why else would the subject
July 23, 2007 - 18:44 ET byWhy else would the subject be brokered in a political context, giving the graphic that was used as well. Why else would you even have a pic of Hillary if not to generate such a free for all? Desired result achived it seems.
My creds: fairly expensives pieces of paper from varying institutions coupled with 25+ years of closely observing the dumbing down of America. It's a hobby.....
SPQR, Gee, I don't know.
July 23, 2007 - 19:10 ET by hydrodynDMSPQR,
Gee, I don't know. Maybe the point of the post was exactly what Noel said it was - to show that efforts by those in the media to get the American public use to the idea of a female president don't seem to be working - particularly among women.
I don't know, man. Maybe you deal with liberals all day and so you're use to people acting and speaking in ways that hide ulterior motives.
But that aside, take a look at just about any post on this website - it doesn't take a genius to see that a post about the media's coverage of, say, abortion will end up turning into a discussion about abortion. Same goes for a post on media coverage of gun control laws or anthropomorphic global warming or whatever.
By your argument, every post about media bias on this site by the contributors is just a thinly veiled excuse to give the members of this site a chance to rip into liberals since that is pretty much what happens all the time.
Oh, and by the way. I've noticed your habit of waving your diplomas around on here - so when I asked for your "credentials", I knew, like a trained puppy, you would act accordingly.
fairly expensives (sic)
July 24, 2007 - 05:38 ET by Jack BauerThey would be the official release documents from various mental homes, I presume. It's good to have a rich family, huh?
I had a hysterically funny
July 24, 2007 - 08:54 ET by dscottI had a hysterically funny discussion with a person on lithium many years ago. He pointed out to me that he has a paper that certifies he is "sane" and I as a normal person did not. What could we both do but laugh at the irony of that. So the question of the day is: Can you prove you are sane? LMAO
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane"
SPQR
July 23, 2007 - 23:04 ET by Noel SheppardSPQR,
I must say that your rants and raves are pretty hysterical. First, you questioned what the motive was for this subject being raised:
Then, after I responded with what most would admit was an attempt at playful repartee - with smiley faces to make the seemingly obvious levity clear - you retorted:
Yet, in your opening, you clearly were addressing the article and not the comments. After all, irrespective of the incorrect wording which we'll get to later, you did indeed write this:
Obviously, "this" was indeed the article. Or, were you suggesting the comments were the mechanism? I quite doubt it.
In fact, when you were challenged by hydrodynDM about this very thing - "You are clearly implying that Noel posted this as a way to give people here an excuse to bash H. Clinton" - you replied:
Hmmm. So, in the following post after you insincerely replied to me "Not the article, the commentaries," you made it clear that it was indeed the article. How nice.
Next, you smugly replied to "hydro's" request for your credentials:
So, let me ask you a question if I may, and, maybe you'll answer this time, because previously you chose not to: How much did you or your parents spend to get these "fairly expensives [sic] pieces of paper from varying [sic] institutions?"
The reason I'm asking is due to the extraordinarily poor writing skills - I'm not even going to broach logic or social acumen - you acquired for your or your parents' money.
After all, in just these three short posts, you amazingly managed to substitute "thigh" for "thing," "illicit" for "elicit," "brokered" for "broached," "giving" for "given," "expensives" for "expensive," "varying" for "various," and "achived" for "achieved." Moreover, you ended a question with a period instead of a question mark. I'm not even going to bother addressing your abysmal grammar and syntax.
Now, I don't normally waste my time correcting people's mangling of the English language. However, when someone questions my credentials as they flaunt their own at the same time showing about as much literary acumen as my children did in grammar school, well, that's where I draw the line.
Of course, you might show some character and class by apologizing for being such a pompous ass. Then, you might be worthy of some respect, and further replies from moi.
Failing that, please express my condolences to your parents for the funds they spent on your supposedly high-priced education. After all, to quote one of my favorite characters, "You wasted $150,000 on an education you coulda got for a buck fifty in late charges at the public library.'
How do you like them apples? ns
Noel, Wow. That was
July 23, 2007 - 23:33 ET by hydrodynDMNoel,
Wow. That was beautiful.
I think I'm going to have to put your picture up on my wall next to Newton and Einstein.
noel -- expect nil response
July 24, 2007 - 05:07 ET by Jack Bauernoel -- expect nil response from our odd centurian.
As I pointed out in another post, he claimed last week to be an "acredited historian," whatever that means; and a "trained archeologist."
Given his ability to spout fossilized garbage, I might just believe that one.
But I am sure he's a fully fledged, highly trained, totally acredited, and board certified troll.