Yahoo! News / AFP Disingenuous Use of Bullet Photos

By Mithridate Ombud | August 15, 2007 - 17:43 ET

Hot on the heels of Barack Hussein Obama claiming U.S. troops are "killing civilians", Yahoo! News runs a AFP picture (right) taken by Wissam al-Okaili showing a woman with two bullets that purportedly "hit her house" during a coalition forces raid.

I won't even insult you by pointing out what's wrong with this picture. One photographer on a forum asks "How would any photo editor ever allow such a photo to be published?" I offer two answers; 1. Because they want to believe. 2. Because they don't know the first thing about guns or bullets.

In a completely Clintonesque defense (depends what the meaning of 'is' is), some are claiming that the bullets could have "hit her house" -- had they been thrown at it. '

(Ken Shepherd's take on the story.)

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Yes, saw it on Blackfive yesterday

Check out some of today's additional oddities to the story at the site (and a link to where you too can get your very own "Flat Fatima"):

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2007/08/hmmmm-even-less.html#comments

 

BTW, in case you miss it while there, one posted reply had me ROFLMAO:

"No, no. This makes perfect sense. Bullets thrown at a house...the French have finally sent troops to Iraq!"

I Know! I Know!

Let me be the first to guess what is wrong with the bullets in the picture. 

1) The FDA discovered that they were made in China and contained lead so they had to be recalled.

2) They weren't encased in a protective rubber coating designed to protect civilians and hamstring our military.  (Part of the Democrats recent military package.)

Did I get it right?

 

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Dr, You're not serious

Dr,

You're not serious ... The bullets have NOT been fired.  They are still in their casings ...

Hence the blackfive reader's post regarding the French.

I think he forgot to add

I think he forgot to add the </sarcasm>

This is akin to that reporter rowing her boat in 4 inches of water...too funny.

<sarcasm>

As a card carrying member of the NRA, I didn't realize that I would have to include <sarcasm> in my post when I was being facetious.

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Danged drill. You gave it

Danged drill. You gave it away. I was waiting for some libe to defend it. 

They may be thos bullet roach clips. It's the only logical excuse.

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

answer 3

"How would any photo editor ever allow such a photo to be published?"

3. Because they consider the average reader to ignorant to know it is a fraud. [When it is revealed as a fraud, it is too late, the damage has been done.]

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
Thompson/Rice

Tommy & Jerry?

Tommy Thompson & Jerry Rice would be a better ticket than any with Condi on it.  Can we say "Peter Principle" when it refers to a female?  I'm sure she was a fine Provost at Stanford, but since then . . . . .

Moronic photo editor

It seems likely that the idiot who published the picture is too stupid to know that they were unfired rounds.  They were so eager to have a propaganda scoop that they didn't even slow down long enough to realize how ignorant they themselves are.

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

Photoshop 101

Don't these people know anything about how to "Photoshop" a picture?

Ignorance is temporary,

Ignorance is temporary, stupid is forever!

"I'm interested in the fact that the less secure a man is, the more likely he is to have extreme prejudice." Clint Eastwood

Ha, ha, ha... my 14 year

Ha, ha, ha... my 14 year old daughter, who has no knowledge of ballistics, took one look at the photo, frowned and said "It doesn't even look like they've been fired."

It would not suprise me if the propagandists taking the photo simply handed the woman a $20.00 bill to pose for it. Not understanding any of what was going on, she may have shrugged, took the bullets and and held them up for the camera.

* Sweet

It's possible that it may not even be that womans hand!

"I'm interested in the fact that the less secure a man is, the more likely he is to have extreme prejudice." Clint Eastwood

They may have hit her house...

...when the AFP photographer tossed them to her and she missed.

BTW  Is that really a woman?  Looks like Khadafi...sorta

"bullets could have "hit

"bullets could have "hit her house" -- had they been thrown at it."

Damn!  that got an outloud belly laugh!  Nice one M.

Should have prefaced the

Should have prefaced the story with a warning to put down any liquids. 

I can't help but wonder how many libs and gun control freaks know what's wrong with this picture.

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

That is the funniest part! 

That is the funniest part!  I need to print some copies of this and show the weenies---they will NEVER get it!  Good pull D.

Probably fell out of her

Probably fell out of her terrorist son's pocket on his way out the door in the morning.

Here's hoping all 72 virgins are as hot as she is.

Was GreenHelmutGuy observed

Was GreenHelmutGuy observed in the area?

For fans of MAD TV: "He

For fans of MAD TV:

"He look like a man ..."

Excellent Point BD,  I

Excellent Point BD,  I wouldnt doubt it if that guy supplied the bullets to her.

I can just imagine him

I can just imagine him searching the Afghanistan hills high and low for a dead body to plant --- even if it were only a goat.....

Do all the women look like

Do all the women look like men over there?

Since most of the men are crazy ...

It's probably the women's only defense ...

No. Most of them look like

No. Most of them look like goats. This one's a keeper.

Look like men

No wonder there're so many available virgins!

"There is none so blind as those that would not see." (Proverb)

wow

Damn! Even my signature quote is appropriate here.

"There is none so blind as those that would not see." (Proverb)

No Way

No way. Here in Texas, I work with a lady of Iraqi nationality and she's very cute. Looks sort of like her:

 http://www.centcom.mil/sites/uscentcom1/FrontPage%20Stories/Women%20Join%20Iraqi%20Police.aspx

Take this photo seriously

One learns to be skeptical in journalism, because so many people who try to get
information to reporters want either to advance causes or have fun, at the
expense of the reporter and his or her organization. This story makes one think
of whether Yahoo! News qualifies as part of journalism. I think a transmitter
of news service information is part of journalism. While only providing stuff
from a news service, it still has to make some judgments as to the worth of
stories and their placement. Ditto for Google News, which has developed a
reputation for veering left, based on story selection and placement. (I’ve
never looked at Google News myself, so can’t attest to the truth of that
assessment.) The item does suggest that people at Yahoo! should consider the qualifications
of whoever selects the “news.” This becomes especially important since, sadly,
the major news services presently provide much of doubtful truth or fairness.

Away from the deep think: I did some computer searches, but couldn’t find anything that
discussed everything that happens to a bullet after it leaves the firing
chamber. My experience with firearms is limited mostly to two weeks in basic
training, in 1956. (I briefly carried a handgun later, but never fired it.) Half a
century later, I recall lots of spent cartridges near me and others firing at
targets. Documentaries on Custer’s Last Stand show researchers looking for
cartridges that told where soldiers fired their weapons during the battle. The cartridges did not tell anything about where their targets, the Indians, were.

Perhaps because I enjoyed Westerns, I recall many a film where a surgeon or maybe an
enterprising layman removed a bullet from someone’s body, holding it in tongs
in a moment of triumph. So where was the cartridge? Wouldn’t that be in the
body, too? No, because, as one reasons, it separates from the bullet after
firing. So I know little. People at Yahoo! News and Agence France Presse know
nothing. (I followed the link & this was an AFP photo that ran on Yahoo!
News.)

But there’s another reason to doubt the photo. Look at those cartridges. How bright
and shiny they are! Look at the bullets. Do they look unused to you, too? Hmm.
Perhaps the cartridges, amazingly still connected to the bullets, had hit the
house. It would have to be made of gelatin. Ditto anything in the house that
the cartridges with bullets would have had to strike. Would such a structure
withstand 120-degree Iraqi summer heat? The clay and stone buildings that seem
to predominate in Iraq would leave a scratch or two, don’t you think? Impact would alter pristine shape of the bullets. Oui ou non, AFP?. And wouldn’t something from the barrel leave a record somewhere, a characteristic scratching? We have
many reasons to question Yahoo News! and AFP, don’t we?

You did not want to insult readers. I have struggled with this because I was curious to
learn what happens to the cartridge and bullet after firing. But your
conclusions are correct. To a willingness to believe, I would add a desire to
send a message, which overrode the skepticism that, I think, someone with
eyesight would experience at seeing the unscarred cartridges. Their provenance
is unknown, but likely not coming directly from coalition troops, in any way.
The unscarred cartridges cum bullets are facts. My conclusions are my opinions.
I think they are as undebatable as the facts.

AFP and Yahoo News! have erred badly. News philosophies and staffing have to change. Unlike others, I'm not inclined to engage in levity here. Like cause-backing hokum from the MSM influences too much public opinion. When something like this happens, one has to prove, beyond doubt, that AFP and Yahoo! made an egregious
blunder. Just laughing at it won’t do. Will AFP's and Yehoo! fiction become widely known as fiction? I doubt it will. It should.

Times Two

There is another photo published by AFP of the same woman also taken by Wissam al-Okaili that was published July 10 2007 with the caption:

 An Iraqi elderly woman inspects a bullet which she says hit her bed during an alleged overnight raid by US and Iraqi troops in Baghdad’s impoverished district of Sadr City.

 

The bullets, or cartridges, that hit the bed

Many thanks to Times Two for the information that the bullet hit the woman's bed. It wasn't the house. Still, as I've written, one sees cartridges, not bullets, and the cartridges wouldn't have made it to the bed, only the bullets, at the top of the cartridges, would.

In trying to discover more--apparently the firearms etc. experts consider it so obvious that the cartridges separate from the bullets, that they don't bother to relate the process--I chanced upon an entry from Confederate Yankee on the Woman in Black. It's a super piece of writing, analysis, the lot: http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/237174.php 

The reality is worse than I could have known. Everything is wrong here. AFP's credibility ought to be crushed. C'est dommage, as this francophone ought to add. Is there a news service anywhere one can trust to tell the truth?

Ann Coulter and liberal lies

Ann Coulter's latest column is just awesome!!!

"How about liberals keep hoaxes out of politics and return them to their rightful place: 'proving' Darwinian evolution." -- Ann Coulter

 

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
Thompson/Rice

LK - You notice the

LK -

You notice the liberals pick their cause celebre(s), so that the person cannot be criticized or questioned or challenged? (I believe Ann has pointed this out in the past during the Mother Sheehan Era.)

Mariane Pearl ... leave her alone, she lost her husband.  Cindy Sheehan ... leave her alone, she lost her son.  Max Cleland ... leave him alone, he lost his limbs.  Antiwar veterans ... leave them alone, they fought in a war.  Joe Wilson and Val-Gal Plame Wilson ... leave them alone, they were spies and they're in danger now that their cover's been blown.

The left demands moral authority ... But also demands to know if Mitt Romney had premarital sex.

Liberal double standards...

drill...you are right. They choose theit "victims" wisely. For the libs, they get to use these people. These people are victimized again by the libs to promote their talking points...but remember, liberals care about people.

"...demands to know if Mitt Romney had premarital sex."

Great point on the hypocrisy...they could care less that Slick Willy had converted the White House into his personal bordello with extra-marital sex.

 

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
Thompson/Rice

The Media Template vs the Petraeus report is starting:

The media is starting it's noise campaign to drown out any good news in the Petraeus report:

1 TNR's Beauchamp was an abotive 1st step "look what the war is doing to our troops"  (IE we have to surrender to save them)

2 Times's Bobby "terrorists are my buds" Ghosh grossly inflates the casaulty figures of the latest bombing by his buddies "the death toll could be 500" in his "Short Shelf Life of the Surge" (IE the surge is only generating a short term success)

 3 AP's Pauline Jelinek "Army suicides highest in 26 years."  (IE another continuation of the we must surrender to save our troops that's how we support them)

Get ready for story after story that plays fast and loose with the facts and makes our troops and our efforts to be either a total failure, our military as breaking, or out to be the SS.  The media elites will never give up in their efforts to destroy President Bush especially if it destroys America and leaves us open for our "just comeuppance" via more terrorist attacks.

3 AP's Pauline Jelinek "Army suicides highest in 26 years."

hmmm ... if the figure is correct, I wonder if Pauline looked into the cause, and that just maybe the MSM's four years of pi$$ing and crapping all over the troops and their mission might have contributed to the number.

Now is the golden

Now is the golden opportunity for a (R) candidate to follow up on this, especially after the Obama gaffe.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07 

Bullet Photo No Longer on Yahoo

Score another victory for NB and all the other attentive bloggers out there. 

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Ammo Storage

With a little vaseline, I can show you where the MSM can store the ammo...

How appropriate since they

How appropriate since they pulled this story out of their @ss!

"I'm interested in the fact that the less secure a man is, the more likely he is to have extreme prejudice." Clint Eastwood

Waste of vaseline

the story could have been safely retrieved without injury to the source wearing tater mitts.

Now that's funny.  C'mon? You're LYAO aren't you?

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

*Hmmmmm

You may be having a slow morning, there was no link.......

"I'm interested in the fact that the less secure a man is, the more likely he is to have extreme prejudice." Clint Eastwood

}}---> You axed for it rob

TATER MITTS

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

* Thanks

I ain't seen them there mitts before, now the joke is hilarious though!!!!

"I'm interested in the fact that the less secure a man is, the more likely he is to have extreme prejudice." Clint Eastwood

He who throweth the first

He who throweth the first bullet.........

"I'm interested in the fact that the less secure a man is, the more likely he is to have extreme prejudice." Clint Eastwood