Update [Ken Shepherd, managing editor]: Scarborough responds via Twitter, insisting he was joking [see more at bottom of post]. Video embedded to the right.
Joe Biden is the "greatest Vice President of our time."
No, dear reader, I have not lost my marbles. I'm merely citing MSNBC's token quasi-conservative Joe Scarborough, who said on this morning's edition of "Morning Joe":
We understand that Joe Biden's numbers are going down, which I think is just stupid because all he has done is – I mean, he's become, in a couple of short months, the greatest vice president of our time.
Not content to allow his credibility to go down in flames alone, Joe took the rest of the Brew Crew with him:
WILLIE GEIST: Yes.
SCARBOROUGH: I think everybody around the table would admit that.
MIKE BARNICLE: No doubt. No doubt.
Oh, the humanity.
You see, immediately preceding this story was a discussion of this AP story, released at midnight last night, which says that the job-creation numbers are greatly over-inflated. And who's in charge of implementing that wonderful bill?
None other than Vice President Gaffe.
This brings us to our next point of inanity, that Joe Biden hasn't had any big mistakes [emphasis mine] :
ALLEN: That's a great point about the advice. [unintelligible] don't do this, do this, this is how it will play. You're right about that. We're told the President has a good relationship with him. Going into this, people wondered, were his verbal tics going to become a story? No, the Vice President has had no big mistakes, no bad stories. That's why pollsters, even Frank Newport from Gallup, are a little puzzled when they look at these numbers. The main explanation seems to be just the stratospheric numbers the President had going in, have now come down to earth.
Well I guess he hasn't had too many gaffes, other than telling people they could die of swine flu if they used an airplane or train, outing the location of the secret bunker designed to keep him safe in the event of a catastrophe, saying we're in a depression despite leading up to that statement with weeks of statements about how the stimulus package was totally working, and kicking off his Vice Presidency with this gem:
"If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there's still a 30 percent chance we'll get it wrong,"
Those probably have nothing to do with his plummeting numbers. It's probably just that the AP figured out that the recovery.gov Web site was not an accurate representation of Ol' Joe's success – or failure.
But to be fair, Biden pulled off that Beer Summit without a hitch. Joe Scarborough said it best at the end of the segment:
SCARBOROUGH: Mika, all I can say is Gallup didn't call me up. I would say Joe Biden is doing a heck of a job. I'm deadly serious about that.
Joey, you're doing a heck of a job.
The full transcript is below.
MIKE ALLEN: The White House was very aggressive with this. The AP released this article at midnight. It had been out during the day. It's a new thing the AP does of letting people have stories so there will be something fresh in the morning. And at 12:10AM, the White House put out this very detailed response. Now here's what the AP found when it dug into recovery.gov, the website where job contracts based on stimulus spending are focused. They found that three, four jobs were sometimes counted when only one was real. They found a lot of errors in the data. And they found the totals overstated. Now, the White House says we're talking here about a program that has already created a million jobs and that Friday we'll see a very big number coming out. Now, the AP looks at the other side of the telescope and says more jobs being reported Friday? That just means the mistakes that we found in this first data set are going to be magnified on Friday.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Yeah, a million jobs or maybe 24. Who knows? The person in charge of this, Mike, is a man that we all love and respect, I'm talking making sure the stimulus money is well spent, Joe Biden. We understand that Joe Biden's numbers are going down, which I think is just stupid because all he has done is – I mean, he's become, in a couple of short months, the greatest vice president of our time.
WILLIE GEIST: Yes.
SCARBOROUGH: I think everybody around the table would admit that.
MIKE BARNICLE: No doubt. No doubt.
SCARBOROUGH: These numbers – I swear. I'm dead serious here. I have no idea why these numbers are going down other than the vice presidency is – what did Sam Rayburn say, not worth a warm bucket of spit? It is a thankless job.
ALLEN: No, it is. And I think you're right about your analysis of the numbers. They seem to be driven largely by the decline in President Obama's numbers. And it's not unusual. We looked back at President George H. W. Bush when he was Vice President, at Dick Cheney and Al Gore, and we found that often their numbers were about ten points below the President's. It's this sort of diminution of the office. Now the Vice President's office says he's been put in charge of big jobs, the recovery, where they say you're going to expect some problems with the data just like Google Maps wasn't perfect on the first day, they data aren't perfect either. And they say that he's working on Iraq. Talk about another thankless job.
SCARBOROUGH: But you know, Mike, the thing about Joe Biden, his most important jobs to America, and this isn't a Joe Biden commercial, but the most important things that Joe Biden does we never see. He does them behind the scenes. It's when he's alone with the President. It's when he explains what military briefers are going to come in to say, you know, he knows. He's been there. He's heard the briefings. He's been around Washington, D.C., since he was 29 years old. You can't go out and hold a press conference and tell people all the great things you're doing behind the scenes.
ALLEN: That's a great point about the advice. [unintelligible] don't do this, do this, this is how it will play. You're right about that. We're told the President has a good relationship with him. Going into this, people wondered, were his verbal tics going to become a story? No, the Vice President has had no big mistakes, no bad stories. That's why pollsters, even Frank Newport from Gallup, are a little puzzled when they look at these numbers. The main explanation seems to be just the stratospheric numbers the President had going in, have now come down to earth.
MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Mike Allen, thank you very much. It was great having you in the studio yesterday. Come back.
SCARBOROUGH: Mika, all I can say is Gallup didn't call me up. I would say Joe Biden is doing a heck of a job. I'm deadly serious about that.
TINA BROWN: Don't use that phrase, Joe.
Update continued [Ken Shepherd, Managing Editor]: Scarborough has responded, via his Twitter account (@joeNBC). Here are the relevant Tweets in chronological order from top to bottom:
- @KenShepherd Newsbuster's blogger here proving that he either never watches our show or has no sense of humor. It's an ongoing joke.
- @NewsBusters To my humorless Newsbusters friends, get a life. We've been joking about being suckups to Biden for a year.
- @NewsBusters Since you're not stupid, I can only assume in this case that you're being intellectually dishonest. A little context please.
- @NewsBusters Do you tools really believe that the same guy who said on air repeatedly that he "thanked God everyday that Cheney was VP...
- @NewsBusters ....in the years after 9/11 would really think Joe was the best VP ever? Good Lord.



















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Scarborough on Biden....
October 29, 2009 - 11:28 ET by Gary HallI didn't see the video. Seeing the body language - the expressions would help, but after reading the transcript; come on now. Surely this is simply deadpan comedy, right? They can't be serious (picture John McEnroe screeching that out).
Biden is correct about one thing - it's definately time to divide the country up into 3 parcels; one for us, one for them, and one for the kooks that think Biden "is doing a heck of a job." Thank you Brownie.
(;~> gary
No no, he was absolutely
October 29, 2009 - 11:59 ET by Mike SargentNo no, he was absolutely serious -- not even a hint of a grin...
According to Wikipedia, that great arbiter of mostly-right information, says that Joe is 46 years old. So here's the full list:
Hubert Humphrey
Spiro Agnew
Gerald Ford
Nelson Rockefeller
Walter Mondale (Ah, the 1984 memories :D)
George H.W. Bush
Dan Quayle
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
Joe Biden
Which of those guys would you call the best Veep?
My money is on Cheney, but that's just because I generally agree with him. I didn't like invading Iraq, but I figure that once we're there, we should at least clean up the mess -- plus, I don't have the information that he did when making that decision.
And if anyone says Walter Mondale and means it, Chuck Norris will show up at your house and deny you the ability to reproduce with a swift roundhouse kick to the face.
Who comes to my house if I say Gore?
October 29, 2009 - 12:17 ET by BlondeAlso, never forget Spiro Agnew, who gave us "nattering nabobs of negativity". :)
I hope he fails, too.
Mike
October 29, 2009 - 12:26 ET by Gary HallWell.. to be fair, I was deadpanning a bit there myself.
I'd have to put it between Cheney and the elder Bush. He'd come right out of the top at the CIA, and must have been a great asset to Reagan - considering the tremendous successes they achieved in the world theater.
I also thought going into Iraq was a poor idea, and followed the same path, thereafter. However, I owned another view - a bit of the "oh the humanity of it all" side of me. Saddam's regime was already responsible for the death of probably 1 1/2 million human beings - not to mention the abuse, imprisonment, and torture of hundreds of thousands of others.
Where was SaveIraq.org?
The leftists seem only to be concerned about human suffering when either we are not involved, and/or when there is a Republican administration. Hence, in the 90's there was mostly silence over Rwanda, the DR Congo, Sierra Leone, the Ivory Coast, Chechnya, N. Korea, Afghanistan, etc.
(:~/ gary
Well Mike.. now I've seen the tape..
October 29, 2009 - 14:10 ET by Gary Hall.. I'm goning to have to go back and look at Uncle Walter's news 12:30 P.M. bulletin from Nov. 22, 1963: ".. from Dallas, TX. A flash, apparently official. President Kennedy died at 1:00 PM, Central Standard Time.."
I mean, maybe Croncite wasn't serious.
Elvis lives.
Joe.. that was too straight. Was everyone in on it?
Mike - you're off the hook. McEnroe wins the day.
(;~> gary
No big mistakes for Joe Biden; but hey, who's counting?
October 29, 2009 - 12:00 ET by needle"They can't be serious (picture John McEnroe screeching that out)."
Or as Joe said recently, screaming into an open mic: “Give me a effing break!” (except he did not use the word “effing”). One can easily assume, however, that in the company of Joe Scarborough, Mike Allen, etc. that that would not in the least way count as a gaffe.
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Scarborough...observing life
October 29, 2009 - 11:29 ET by P. AaronScarborough...observing life with one eye open. Joe Biden will make him eat his words within the month. But this will go down the memory hole.
I guess Joe will be getting
October 29, 2009 - 11:31 ET by gopsteveI guess Joe will be getting a call from Al Gore soon.
If you remember, as Vice President, Nixon was pretty good in the 1950's.
I think he has the same
October 29, 2009 - 11:32 ET by b4m4wyI think he has the same number of accomplishments as Obama.
None.
Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.
Ronald Reagan
I think Joe deserves a WTF
October 29, 2009 - 11:39 ET by GlennI think Joe deserves a WTF on that one.....
IT'S LIKE WATCHING 7 HOUR LONG CASTRATION
October 29, 2009 - 11:41 ET by SgthulkaHis contract must be up.
Why else would Scar be trying to re-establish his street cred with the liberal Bozos on his panel and in his audience.
I remember his groveling to Chris Matthews a few years back about how "non-partisan" he was.
That's when I decided not to watch "Morning Blow".
Joe FREAKING Biden!??
October 29, 2009 - 11:54 ET by lotrIt's like having Rainman as VPOTUS.
"Steady." -- Keith Olbermann to Chris Matthews
Mike Allen: "...were his
October 29, 2009 - 11:54 ET by dcnormanMike Allen: "...were his verbal tics going to become a story? No, the Vice President has had no big mistakes, no bad stories."
"Because, even when he does, we in the media, do our best to make sure they don't get publicized..."
LOL!
October 29, 2009 - 11:54 ET by stage9"We understand that Joe Biden's numbers are going down, which I think is
just stupid because all he has done is – I mean, he's become, in a
couple of short months, the greatest vice president of our time."
I'm sorry, that statement just made me laugh. Are there no brain cells left at MSpiNBC?
Let's carefully look at this statement for sensible conclusions...
Joe Biden's numbers are going DOWN (in a direction that is the opposite of up; to a lesser degree, level, or rate; to or in a lower or worse condition or status)...that's a clear sign of DISAPPROVAL ( to pass unfavorable judgment on; to refuse approval to : reject).
So...with his disapproval up, "with all that he's done in a few short months," (which is nothing), that means he is NOT (used as a function word to stand for the negative of a preceding group of words) the "greatest Vice President of our time," but a LOSER ( a person or thing that loses especially consistently; a person who is incompetent or unable to succeed; also : something doomed to fail or disappoint).
In conclusion, Vice President Biden, who has done nothing for the past few months, is losing ground with the American people evidenced by his declining approval ratings.
Way to go Scarborough, your genius shines through again.
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The Scarborough Mental Health Care Act of 2009
October 29, 2009 - 11:58 ET by BarkerIt sounds like Scarborough is getting quite a thrill up his leg.
Way to suck up to Joe, Joe.....
"Vice President Gaffe"
October 29, 2009 - 11:59 ET by BlondeSweet!
And he's doing such a great job on oversight with the stimulus money. NOT.
Then I read the absolute icing on the cake:
We have the blind leading the blind here, can you imagine needing someone with the stellar intellect (yeah, that is positively dripping with sarcasm) to help the adolescent Obama understand military briefers?
We are surely doomed.
And Joe......you're an idiot!
I hope he fails, too.
Jumping the shark????
October 29, 2009 - 12:14 ET by Tomoramam4b4 put it best.
My thinking is that sitting around with nitwits long enough and the liberal slime rubs off and get's in your pores and you start saying stupid things and you want to start taxing every one to help the po'.
His comment is beyond a WTF moment.
Any shred of respect I ever had for this guy is gone, he might as well take over the ED (Erectile dysfunction) show starting this afternoon as he sounds like.... wait for it...... a real dick head.
Any ladies offended I apologize, unlike Greyskull who waits till he HAS too......
A great man once said, YOU only get out of life what YOU put into it, he obviously wasn't a liberal.
Vice President Baden.
October 29, 2009 - 12:07 ET by AvitarJoe Biden is the greatest Vice President of our time because he is best assasination protector of our time. No body who cares about the country is going to assasignate Obama while Vice President Biden is waitng to become President and that is the primary job of any Vice President,
Chaney would have been a very great President. Having spent time in Indiana with Dan Quayl before he entered congress he would have been a better President than the Press would believe but did offer the President more protection thann any other Republican Vice President since Nixon was Vice President. Only Al Gore might be a worse President than Joe Biden. and hince a better vice President. .
Joe S. was
October 29, 2009 - 12:06 ET by BuffNBoneJoe S. was probably reading from the LSD ink-based copy of Newsweek about Biden. At least that's the only way I can imagine the hallucinations he seems to be experiencing lately.
Also so much for Scarborough's accuracy. Sam Rayburn did not make the comment about the "warm bucket of spit "(sic), it was Cactus Jack Garner. Plus the quote was "the vice presidency not worth a bucket of warm spit". Some historians dispute the container (pitcher or pail) and the substance contained therein (piss or pus).
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
Fortunately the local talk radio station here in DC....
October 29, 2009 - 12:10 ET by Prester John....decided to move Joe from the mid morning slot to the late evening slot and replaced him with a hard core Attila the Hun type who had had the morning slot before.
Mika must be doing a Vulvan mind meld with Joe, there's no other way to explain what comes out of his mouth sometimes.
Vulvan??
October 29, 2009 - 15:50 ET by RukusBwahahahahahaha! Sorry PJ, but that there is funny! LOL! : )
Gary
POLITICS: poly (many) + ticks (blood sucking parasites)
Good one, Ruk
October 29, 2009 - 15:58 ET by BlondeI love it when the typos are unintentionally funny here.
You can't make some of this stuf up, truly!
I hope he fails, too.
Prester John
October 29, 2009 - 16:11 ET by MrShyWasn't Joe once a quasi-conservative? What's going on here?
Let's give Biden a break
October 29, 2009 - 12:14 ET by HockeyKidLet's give Biden a break here. I'm sure he's got "the number" of the recovery website by now...
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
LOL!
October 29, 2009 - 12:27 ET by CobraMan"I mean, he's become, in a couple of short months, the greatest vice president of our time."
That's equivalent to being the greatest bat-boy of all time. Or , for those of you who remember the good-old-days of football, Benchwarmer Bob.
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The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Not to be confused with Bill Clinton,
October 29, 2009 - 12:39 ET by CO2Maker... who was the best vice President in history.
Want a little bacon?
October 29, 2009 - 12:46 ET by nwahsLol- want a little bacon with that egg all over your face?
Newsbusters looks silly on this one
October 29, 2009 - 12:50 ET by magicalangelicusPretty obvious to me right off the bat that he was joking....
Hey, Joe "The Deadly Serious Humorless Tool" Scarborough:
October 29, 2009 - 13:12 ET by BarkerMost people know your show is a running gag anyway, but explain this:
Mika, all I can say is Gallup didn't call me up. I would say Joe Biden is doing a heck of a job. I'm deadly serious about that.
And if you say you were just joking, then who can ever take you "serious" again?
"I'm not joking" ~ Joe Biden
Hey Joe, I've watched your
October 29, 2009 - 13:16 ET by G. MayHey Joe, I've watched your show only a few times and wasn't aware of your "ongoing joke". Your few regular viewers may know you well enough to be familiar with your sarcasm, but to those of us who aren't regular viewers or don't know you too well, your humor fell flat.
That's your fault, not ours. Work on it.
"I'm dead serious here." Don't expect people to take you seriously.
"@NewsBusters To my
October 29, 2009 - 13:19 ET by ckc1227"@NewsBusters To my humorless Newsbusters friends, get a life."
@joe-no-ratings-scarborough:We already have lives. That's why we have better things to do than try to keep up with fake Conservatives like yourself.
Ouch....
October 29, 2009 - 13:43 ET by Barkerckc1227: 1
Joe Scar: 0
Our Churchill
October 29, 2009 - 15:30 ET by slickwillie2001Here's a head-exploder for your liberal friends:
Our Churchill: http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org
"Today, there is a Churchill in our midst. Like the original 'Last Lion,' he is loathed and slandered by his critics. His utterances about the present and growing threats and his past service to his country are savaged by the national leadership, even as they try to dismiss him as 'discredited' (as Senator Carl Levin put it on Sunday) or a liability for his party (as innumerable political operatives and pundits insist). Our Churchill’s name is Dick Cheney."
Oh man, that WOULD cause
October 29, 2009 - 15:50 ET by Mike SargentOh man, that WOULD cause spontaneous cranial detonation :D
It should be widely publicized as possible, for just that reason :D
Thank you, SW2001
October 29, 2009 - 21:27 ET by needleThis piece is excellent. I am no Churchill or Cheney, but I have felt since Nov 4 last year that Obama was destined to hold the honor of being the most treacherous President in our history forever, and will become such a personage as to give that name of Neville Chamberlain a long needed and essentially permanent rest, along with the Liberals' much cherished contempt for Nixon and Bush.
I felt then that the Trillions of dollars that everyone realized Obama was gone to waste would not be what he would be remembered for, and I still think that is the case. He is clearly hell bent on snatching away and limiting our control over our own health care. That is a great sin; but it is not the biggest one that I worry about. As I watch helpless, this extremely unfortunate leader is destroying our alliances and defense structures, built at great cost, in the service of exercising his vain conceit of vanquishing evil tyrannies with his sweet platitudes, I shudder to think of the price we, and the rest of the world, are going to pay in blood for this extreme folly.
When it is all over, assuming humanity lives through it, I almost hope the Nobel Peace Prize is buried in disgrace. Shame on those fools in Oslo!
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Let's chip in and buy Dick Cheney a parrot
October 29, 2009 - 22:17 ET by upcountrywaterWe want to know what is repeated over and over in the Cheney home... Charlie
"....greatest of our
October 29, 2009 - 23:08 ET by GregE"....greatest of our time......"
Would that be the time, since "FDR, who when the stock market crashed in 1929, went on TV" to address the nation?
Joe is officially a
October 30, 2009 - 05:10 ET by RR GOPJoe is officially a joke...a pandering shill if you will and nothing he says from now on should be taken at all seriously.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.