Rhodes Scholar Bobby Jindal Schools CNN's John Roberts

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John Roberts, on the July 21 edition of American Morning, appeared to expect Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal to turn in a weak performance on the issue of health care.  Hilarity ensued, as Jindal, who turned down Harvard Medical and Yale Law for a Rhodes scholarship at Oxford, proved to be anything but a pushover.

The would-be newsman kicked off with some misleading statistics about Jindal’s performance as governor:
Governor, it’s good to see you.  You penned a rather scathing editorial for the Politico.com on the Democrats’ health care proposals. But your state ranks dead last in the United Health Foundation survey of overall health. It also had the fourth highest Medicare cost per patient in the country from 1996 through 2006, according to the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. So some people out there might be wondering if you’re the best person to be criticizing the administration’s plans for health care reform?
Since Jindal is a classy fellow, and realizes that this debate is not about his performance as Louisiana Governor, he neglected to point out that he took office January 14, 2008.  That’s at least a full year after Roberts’ statistics ended.  The Rhodes scholar responded:

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GOV. BOBBY JINDAL: Well John, a couple of things. We’ve actually got a very aggressive waiver in front of the federal government allowing us – asking them for permission to allow us to revamp our public health care programs to put more of an emphasis on outcomes. Louisiana’s a great example of what’s wrong with many of our government-run health care programs. You look at Medicare – the Dartmouth data shows that higher spending doesn’t always correlate to better outcomes.
This is not the full quote from Jindal, but you get the idea.  Roberts, finding himself uncomfortably on his heels, fires back:
ROBERTS: Okay, a couple of other points here.  You said most Americans would end up being forced into  government-run health care, in this editorial. What makes you think that most Americans would be forced into anything, first of all? And secondly, saying it’s government-run health care really is misleading, isn’t it? It’s actually not the government that would be running the health care system. That would still be private, it would just be providing insurance.
Jindal, instantly recognizing the advocacy, replied:
JINDAL: No, you’re talking about a government-run health option. And this is a very important point…

ROBERTS: But it’s government-run health insurance, it’s not government-run health care, which is what you said in your editorial.

JINDAL: Well, it’s government-run health care in that they’ll be deciding the rates. They’ll be deciding what benefits are covered. They’ll be deciding who they’re going to pay, what procedures you can get. That’s government-run health care. But look at the Lewin study. They estimate that as many as 100 million Americans may leave private coverage for this government-run plan. And this is a very important point…
Under Roberts’ frame of mind, since the government would not actually directly control hospitals, doctors, pharmacists, et al., it’s not a government takeover – it’s not socialism, if you will.  And Roberts is technically correct.  The term used for indirect government control over privately-run companies is not socialism, it’s “fascism.”  A tongue-in-cheek kudos to Roberts for figuring that out.

But Roberts is still not content to simply take his lumps and move on.  Jindal then is forced to explain market economics versus government-subsidized enterprise in a nutshell:
ROBERTS: But they also say that as few as 10.1 million may leave for government-run health care depending on how the plan is formulated. That 119 million was the upper level and even the people who wrote that report said that’s a worst case scenario.

JINDAL: But you’re talking about the same government that’s paying for health care, regulating health care, now competing. It’s going to be taxpayer subsidized. By their own estimates they say because the government will be shifting costs to the private sector, they’re going to be underpaying providers. They’ll be able to undercut their competition until they drive the competition out of the marketplace.
And now, the coup de grace – John Roberts, falling back on a liberal think-tank and Kos talking-points to back his claims:
ROBERTS: That is one argument. But the Urban Institute’s Health Policy Center said, “Private plans would not disappear. Private plans that offer better services and greater access to providers, even at somewhat higher costs than the public plans, would survive the competition in this environment.” You also pointed out in your editorial, you said someone other than patients and doctors would make the decision on treatments and medicines that we can have. Doesn’t that already happen under private plans?
The Urban Institute normally pairs with the left-leaning Brookings institute for its studies advocating liberal tax policies.

Now, let’s recap.  Roberts shows up for the interview in attack mode, using left-leaning statistics from left-leaning groups, backs them with Kos talking points – and even attempts to implicate Jindal for failing, federally mandated health-care programs that predate his term as governor.  And Jindal crushed him for it.

One wonders if Roberts was expecting Kenneth the Page.

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I saw this early

I saw this early today...Jindal was excellent.

Roberts didn't know when to quit digging his own grave...Jindal just helped throw some dirt on it.

Wonder if Roberts along with his arrogance has realized that yet.

As a quick aside, I just heard DeMint on Cavuto....I love that guy, he is not one to back down regarding this issue, along with other things, I am so glad conservatives are speaking out...all over the place...it is about time!!

Keep up the good work for us out here...some people are finally getting the message..do not back down.

Like DeMint said...O has met his Waterloo!

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

The GOP...

...has picked this issue as their Thermopylae.  If they delay here enough, they can use naval tactics to turn a Artemisian retreat into a Salamis victory against cap-and-tax.  This, in turn, will lead to a 2010 Battle of Plataea, in which the GOP plans to end the second liberal invasion.

MAN I can really do this historical metaphor thing well.../takes a bow...

Metaphors

Is Jindal our Patton, leading the Third Army on a daring dash to defeat the Battle of the Bulging Debt? 

"I think that when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."  Barack Obama to "Joe the Plumber"

LOL Mike... ...and a well

LOL Mike...

...and a well deserved bow at that!

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Mike - *clap* *clap* *whistle* *whistle* ;-) You did good!!!

Now for everyone's predictions to come true!!!!!

This comment comes from a proud Tea Party attendee, otherwise designated by Homeland Security as a Domestic Right Wing Terrorist!     It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue ~ Sam Adams

bigtimer - Did you see the speech on CSPAN that Michael Steele

gave to the liberal National Press Club? He was very forceful in stating that Obama's healtcare plan represented socialism. I haven't been a big fan of Michael Steele after watching him on various talk shows, but he really impressed me with his speech, and especially with his answers to follow-up questions. 

Here is the video of portions of his speech.

Here is the National Press Club summary.

Here is the WSJ writeup of his speech.

---------------------------------------------

“The Democrats live in a world of fakery, fraudulent phoniness.  We live in a world of reality." ~ Rush Limbaugh

 

Note to self

Need to tell granny some one is coming by to check on her.  They will ask her why she isn't dead yet.

 

Mr. Roberts

Welcome to school, Mr. Roberts. Mr. Jindal will be your instuctor. I hope that you finally will get to learn something about health care. Hopefully, you will get an idea on what is really going on. In other word, Bobby Jindal just took you to class. You really got schooled, Mr. Roberts. And people wonder why CNN's ratings are even worse than MSNBC.  It's because of clueless idiots like yourself, Mr. Roberts.

Just plain sad....

The realy sad thing is John Roberts left this interview not even understanding he had been had.  What is even worse is that he will keep doing it secure in his bias and ignorance.

JINDAL FOR PREZ 2012!!!

JINDAL FOR PREZ 2012!!!

gb... I wouldn't be

gb...

I wouldn't be surprised.

I like Jindal, so do a lot of people, you shouldn't be so quick with your so-called sarcastic wit.

B.Jindal/L.Cheney or vice versa works for me.

Gonna be fun with the field we may have coming in the next three years.

...and all you have is O.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Hi there....  never thought

Hi there....  never thought about Jindal and L. Cheney for a ticket, I like it!

Jindal and L. Cheney

Works for me, too. :-)

Cheney & Cheney '12

 It's gotta be Cheney & Cheney '12 -"Bringing Back the Evil"

Is that like "Cthulu 2012:

Is that like "Cthulu 2012: Why Vote For A Lesser Evil?"

SO kidding.  I love Liz Cheney (utterly brilliant person), and her dad has been involved in national security since Moby Dick was a minnow.  It'd never, ever work with the electorate -- but it would be effective.

I gotta agree

In my mind, Commonwealth Care eliminates Gov. Romney.  So it comes down to Govs. Jindal or Palin for me.  Still, let's also be looking across the Mississippi River to Gov. Barbor.  Any of these three would be good solid Conservative choices.

"Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain." Official Motto of the State of Iowa

Barbour has always been one

Barbour has always been one I've liked a whole heck of a lot.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

I don't think MassCare

I don't think MassCare eliminates Romney entirely.

It did happen to exile him to wander for four years in the wilderness, but I don't think it's a permanent disqualification.  That was the political equivalent of a rugby tackle -- you know your opponent is going to hit you, and you can either stand there and get run over, or you can grab him about the neck and shoulders and try to turn his momentum into something good.

Sometimes, ya just get hosed.

Jindal and Palin are so doggone young.  I don't think they have the natural political talent that Bamster does --  nor do they have the easier message to put forth.  "Yes we can" does not translate well into fiscal conservatism, obviously.

Jindal is going to have a wickedly awesome resume in 4-8 years, and it's only going to get better.  Here's my thoughts on perfect placement for the GOP stars:

Sarah Palin:  Leader of the SoCons, with a possibility as Energy Secretary.

Bobby Jindal: Anyplace he wants to go, given enough time to season.  Kenneth the Page was devastating to his short-term image, and it needs time to go away.

T-Paw (Tim Pawlenty):  Beat The Comedian.  'nuff said.

Mike Pence: The New Newt.  Seriously, this guy has wheels, and he's loads of fun to watch.

Tom Coburn: Hardnosed chops-buster.  Give this guy whatever the Senate version of a battleaxe is, and get out of the way.

Mitch Daniels: Possible VP candidate?  Possibly the most fiscally responsible governor in all of America.

The race I'm really keeping an eye on is the Florida Senate race.  If Crist wins, meh, whatever -- it's another body in the Senate.  If Rubio beats Crist (long shot, but FL is a closed primary), and manages to pull off a Florida victory...watch closely.  His star could take off, and I mean fast.

He's really, really good.

Run'em all together in any

Run'em all together in any permutation you wish. The republicans will still lose, especiallly with Palin anywhere NEAR the ticket. Ethics probe, y'know.

→ goldbar

Yeah, we get it.

When Palin wears a jacket with a racing logo patch to her husband's race it's an ethics violation.

But when Obama wears a White Sox jersey to the Allstar game to OFICIALLY throw out the first pitch, it's all so understandable.

We understand, goldbar.  You're one of those condescending racists Mr. Alford was talking about when he pointed the finger at Babs Boxer.

Quit being such an enabler and stand for something.

I'll stand up, while Palin

I'll stand up, while Palin will be standing down...on Sunday and this is why:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/07/report-palin-legal-fund-may-be-unethical.html 

→ Yeah, goldbar

We're very much aware of the Democrat strategy of bleeding Americans dry with frivolous lawsuits.

But it's a free country and you can be a sexist and a racist if you wish.

Are you going to show me where you denounced William (cold cash) Jefferson's accepting bribes?

Didn't think so.

I both denounce and reject

I both denounce and reject William Jefferson.  Do you denounce and reject Mark Sandford, David Vitter, Bob Allen, Glenn Murphy Jr., and those are just the sex scandals.

→ Too late

You're already busted on that water under the bridge.

You're so quick to slap Palin around on a rumor that Palin is taking donations OPENLY for her legal defense.  Real career killer there.

But only now, years later, you have a problem with Jefferson?

I don't know much about how much Vitter and Sanford enriched themselves at taxpayer expense, but I'm not about to defend their hypocrisy. 

Vitter? I don't know much about him.  But I've certainly posted that conservatives should practice what they preach when it comes to family values.

Heck, yes, I'm against government corruption from either side.

Your game is entirely selective.  Now that's hypocrisy.

Prosecute Jefferson. Fine by

Prosecute Jefferson. Fine by me. 

→ Wow goldbar

Yeah, now that he's all used up, and out of office, you've got no further use for him.

Gosh, goldbar.  How totally upstanding of you!

Much like the 'pubs and Ted

Much like the 'pubs and Ted Stevens.

→ Not at all

I'm NOT "much like the 'pubs and Ted Stevens"

I said so then, and I say so now.  Ted Stevens was a pork-swiller.  He needed to go.

I don't need reiterate now what i decried then.

You're the one who is spending this moment cleaning up your own omission.

Finally, the big break the boys have been waiting for!!!

Meet Cacciato at Starbucks tonight, 10 pm, for frappes and a strategy session.

Frappes?  What are you? A

Frappes?  What are you? A sewing circle?  Have a good time, ladies!

No, sorry, I'm not going no matter how politely you ask.

I'm merely serving as the facilitator for this most important meeting.

And Hillary?

Hillary Clinton is openly soliciting donations to pay back the loans she made to her own campaign.  That means she's openly seeking donations to pay back her own expenses.  Shouldn't that be investigated as unethical too?  After all, Hillary, unlike Palin,  is still in public office.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

I'm a racist?  I must of

I'm a racist?  I must of missed Palin's race. She's hispanic, right?

→ Is she?

Yes, you're a racist.

You're holding ethnic minorities to lower standards than the majority.

The soft bigotry of low expectations.

You're just another Joe Biden.  I'm sure you share his views on Washington DC schools too.

Explain.

Explain.

→ Already did

You hold Obama to a lower standard than you do Sarah Palin.

Your inability to process your deeply held condescension isn't something I care to further explain.

You don't even know you're being racist.  But you are.

What kind of standard will

What kind of standard will you hold Lt.Col.Peters to?

→ goldbar

Don't be a twit.

I am not aware of a Lt. Col. Peters, but I only have one question.

Is s/he an American?  Of course there are other qualifiers, like is s/he doing his/her job?

There's your standard.

Your Fox News analyst is

Your Fox News analyst is calling for the taliban to kill an American soldier. This is what the right believes is 'fair and balanced'.  What a bunch of sickos.

http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-St-Louis-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2009m7d21-VIDEO--Fox-News-analyst-goes-too-far-in-condemning-captured-US-soldier-in-Afghanistan 

→ No, goldbar

He did throw in one word you probably didn't learn in school.

IF

It is a word that demands qualification, which the Lt. Col. provided.

I can makie a similar statement and you might even agree.

IF John Demjanjuk really was Holocaust butcher, the Mossad could have saved America a lot of embarrassment by just bustin' a cap in his butt.

Sorry, you're unable to understand the sesquipedalian "nuance" of such a word as "IF", but schooling you isn't really my calling in life.

Somebody else took that money and ran.

I hate you, Cool <--

You beat me to it. :(

:)

→ Thanks, Shy

I had to rush that in since goldbar was standin' there shouting "Hit me if you see an opening"

IF he was a democrat and IF

IF he was a democrat and IF he said it on MSNBC the right wing media would be going BERSERK! Even IF he only used the word IF.

Your defense is LAME! 

well, NO, goldbar

You Lied. You said, "Your Fox News analyst is calling for the taliban to kill an American soldier."

Why did you lie like that?

 

 

 "if he walked away from

 "if he walked away from his post and his buddies in war time; I don't care how hard it sounds as far as I'm concerned the Taliban can save us a lot of legal hassles and legal bills." - Lt. Col. Peters, Fox News Military Analyst

You are dull aren't you. 

→ No

Are you having problems with your 4th grade conjunctions again?

Of course another thread today demonstrates the reason for your confusion.

According to you libs, if your daddy got his dork lopped off, he'd be your mother.

 

goldbar

IF you killed a family of five, I hope you get the death penalty.

According to goldbar, this is:

"Mr. Shy hopes goldbar gets the death penalty."

I'm not dull. And I'm also not F.O.S. like you.

 

→ No goldbar

You stated UNEQUIVOCALLY:

"Your Fox News analyst is calling for the taliban to kill an American soldier."

The insertion of "IF" as a caveat to his statement blows your absolute completely out of the water.

The video to which you linked makes no such assertion.  So, I've quite honestly deduced your comprehension skills are severely lacking, or you are most lame at setting a premise to argumentative discourse.

Cool

I do believe he's getting his rockers off at this point.

Libs are very often nasty, dishonest, lying POS's. Sorry, I'm done being nice with them. Vermin -- THE LOT !!!! :)

 

goldbar

Why are you a fool? Why are you here selling us junk bonds, so to speak?

This is NewBusters, not SellUsYourBridge.

 

CA - brilliant

Cool Arrow - 100,000,000,

gb - 000000

Would love to see all of us hit the racism factor with the trolls more. They are so entrenched and brain-washed in condescension, it will be difficult, but possibly worthwhile.  Or are they too ignorant???

 

 

"The preservation of the sacred faith of liberty & the destiny of the republican model of gov't. are justly considered deeply...finally, staked on the experiment entrusted to the American people."G. Washington's 1st inaugural address

→ Totally entrenched

They think minorities love to be rubbed on the head for good luck.

Goldbar and Biden are excellent examples of the condescension factor.

So true, Cool

My computer skills aren't too great and I can't link it, but there is a wonderful video on Ann Coulter's blog. 

She was on Glen Beck a while back and he played a video of Barbie Boxer and a guy (who happened to be black). 

 

Barbie was so condescending and patronizing: pointing our how this guy's bros at the NAACP disagreed with him, etc. And this man, named Alford, I believe, got in her face (figuratively) and told her he was offended by her patronizing.  He told her to knock it off several times, and she simply could not comprehend what she was doing.  This genetic form of racism if truly sickening and very dangerous. 

 I pray that more and more minorities in the US wake up to it soon.

 

 

"The preservation of the sacred faith of liberty & the destiny of the republican model of gov't. are justly considered deeply...finally, staked on the experiment entrusted to the American people."G. Washington's 1st inaugural address

BO...about the "links"

Click on the "About" at the top of this page (on the orange bar), and then click on the FAQ's......there are instructions there about how to link.  It's easy.

:)

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Thank you, Blonde!

I know being a grandma is no excuse but that's what I'm saying and I'm stickin with it! 

 

"The preservation of the sacred faith of liberty & the destiny of the republican model of gov't. are justly considered deeply...finally, staked on the experiment entrusted to the American people."G. Washington's 1st inaugural address

De Nada, BO

As long as we all keep pursuing knowledge....life is great!

Besides, I wrote them, LOL.  Alot of new posters kept asking the same questions, and since I think NB does a huge public service here, I volunteered to help out.

I'll look forward to your first LINK!

:)

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Ahh thanks Blonde, I

Ahh thanks Blonde, I wondered what the trick was,

Thanks for writing them, Blonde.

Have printed them out, I know, I know, what a dinosaur!  But they are so helpful. 

I will link in the open thread cause I have derailed this thread too much already!

Thanks again. 

 

You're welcome, ladies

Enjoy!

(Oh...and I had no idea how to do it either when I first started posting here....we all live and learn, yes?).

 

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

→ Bo Stinks

That would be Harry Alford.  He was also on Bill O'Reilly last night.

Glenn and Ann treated that video pretty good.

They had me laughing at Boxer's racism.

Boxer was trying her best to browbeat Alford back onto her plantation, but he was having none of it.

Yep - that was great! Go Alford Go!

Palin/Jindal - 2012

I agree Mike

I don't think MassCare disqualifies Romney either...but for a different reason.  He was the governor of one of the most liberal states in the union, it's what his constituents wanted, and he delivered.

I think by the time 2012 rolls around, the country will be so fed up with the Obama economy that Mitt's Salt Lake City miracle will have Americans begging for fiscal expertise.  Mitt's got it in spades....plus, he just looks presidential (I know, but Steve Forbes would be fabulous, he just looks too goofy).

As for Rubio, he's my dog in this hunt.  I loathe Charley Crist.  And remember, Rubio's mentor is Jeb Bush.  I think Jeb has ruled out any run for the Presidency, but I think he may wish to be a kingmaker.  (George P. has been awfully quiet, I see him re-emerging soon, too). 

I think Rubio has a good shot, and he can make the case that Crist is alot like Obama, looking for his next job before finishing his current one.   I'd love to see a true conservative replace the RINO Martinez...and Crist has scared off the democrats, so if Rubio can beat him in the primary, I think the seat is his.

Anyone know what John Boehner's goals are?  I never see him mentioned, but the guy is pretty shrewd.

I just really hope we, as republicans, quit recycling the "guy whose turn it is".

 

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

2012 canidates

The GOP has a good chance of winning the elections, president, senators, representatives only if the candidate is honestly a conservative.

No more Spectors, or Doles, or McCains.  Just because they have been around for decades for being the grand old man of party.  Just because they expect the nomination does not mean they are the best qualified for the postion.

The young, and truely conservative in attitude and voting record are what is important.

Palin, Jindal, Liz Cheney and the like are what we the people want and will vote for.  They have to be on the ballet.  Do they have enough experience? They have enough to do the job.  Just because they don't have the years of experience of Byrd, Kennedy, Kerry and the rest does not mean they can not learn.  Common sense can make up for a lot of inexperience.  

Some of the best corporate CEO are not the smartest minds.  But they know who is the best for the high level positions in the company.  The CEO's strength is not being the best at every job but knowing who is the best for the position.

Bobby Jindal for Prez 2012

I'd certainly vote for him. 

The problem with making an

The problem with making an argument based on lies, half-truths, and made-up facts is that you tend to keep tripping over your own arguments. Roberts says "Private plans that offer better services and greater access to providers, even at somewhat higher costs than the public plans, would survive the competition in this environment.” But the main Liberal argument for the government option is to INCREASE competition. Roberts is acknowledging that the government option is going to eliminate a lot of plans and there will be less choice, and less competition, when all is said and done. Roberts seems to have missed the concept that going from the current 1,700+ health insurance choices, to the government option and a few cadillac plan survivors is going to kill competition.

He is also trampling on his argument by saying that “Private plans that offer better services and greater access to providers, even at somewhat higher costs than the public plans, would survive the competition in this environment.” These plans will only be available to The Rich... so what will be left for everyone else... the government option.

This...

...is an excellent point.  One which Jindal gets, and Roberts apparently does not (or worse, ignores).

Why would an Employer

Want to pay extra for a private plan, when he could just dump his employees on a public health care plan and save money? My employer already told me his answer. I'm screwed! 

"Beware the fury of the patient man." - John Dryden

One wonders many things...

Was Roberts interviewing Jindal or debating him?

Was Roberts trying to look at both sides of the debate or advocating for the one he agrees with?

Was Roberts interested in getting Jindal's ideas or trying to discredit him?

Another issue...

ROBERTS: That is one argument. But the Urban Institute’s Health Policy
Center said, “Private plans would not disappear. Private plans that
offer better services and greater access to providers, even at somewhat
higher costs than the public plans, would survive the competition in
this environment.

Roberts admits here that we will have a two tier health system where the "rich" will pay extra for the "good stuff" and the rest of us will be relegated to UK or VA type care.

 

Throw 'da bums out!

no one re-elected who voted for socialism or debt

www.loyaltoliberty.com

C5

"Was Roberts interviewing Jindal or debating him?"

I think he was prosecuting Jindal for "crimes" he didn't commit.

But, as much as I admire Jindal (I think he's brilliant), his points, as they read in the transcript (at least, for me), don't exactly merit the high fives going around. He did miss the dishonest basic contention that Roberts used and that made the whole interview read as defensive in nature. I don't think he missed it because of Mike's gracious excuse for him - that he's "too classy" (not that he isn't classy - he is). Why he missed it goes to the core problem with many GOP politicians in these interviews. They accept the media's biased questions without objecion. They do much better when they reject the biased and dihonest premises of the media's questions. Plus, a lot of his answers were technical and although wonks might appreciate his grasp, the average viewer might not. I like Bobby Jindal a lot, so I'll try to watch the interview because it may play better than it reads. I think he would make a great president, but he has to get through a campaign first. So, he still needs some coaching about giving sharp answers and better speeches.

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Can I just say....

A health care "system" (which is mostly about who pays) does NOT make people healthy!!

Can anyone say that people in the US are obese because they don't have health insurance?  

President Obama will take care of that, though.  He's said obesity causes too many things like diabetes and hypertension, so we have to deal with the underlying problem before complications set in.  So I'm assuming obese people will get preferential treatment?  Or will the be out in the cold?

That's not what he meant at all

Obesity is caused by the underlying problem of affluence. Obama is going to "fix the problem" by bankrupting the country and destroying the capitalistic economy that allowed the affluence in the first place. In a generation Americans will be skinny just like the Africans and the Europeans because we won't be able to afford to eat too much.

Throw 'da bums out!

no one re-elected who voted for socialism or debt

www.loyaltoliberty.com

→ c5then

He's going to introduce us to the Ethiopian diet.

CA... Hey, I'd laugh

CA...

Hey, I'd laugh here, but if O really has his way, there really will be true hunger in this country....

...all kinds of it too.   ;-)


Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

→ BT

I'm sure he'd like to import some of those great Congolese surgeons as well.

CA... You're giving me

CA...

You're giving me the shivers here.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Obama & the Obese

I think Obama has an aversion to the obese in the same way that the old troll (new name Cacciato) Leon hated "fatties".

We merely need to observe what is happening in Great Britain to see our future under ObamaCare....and it isn't pretty.

Obese woman 'too fat to adopt' has become a mum - after losing eight stone in eight months

Too fat?  Too bad, no care for you.  No kids, either. 

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Blonde, I'd like to see

Blonde,

I'd like to see Obama forced to give up smoking (I bet he smokes a lot more than his professed "occasionally") and watch his weight inflate until he looks like Eddie Murphy in "The Nutty Professor". 

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

LOL, Chris

He's definitely a "do as I say, not as I do" person.

Oh, and he can send me the $100 a lb. beef while he's on his diet, too.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Blonde,

Heck, he can send me that buck fifty-a-pound ham... :)

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

mmmm....Dave, you have the charcoal?

We're going to have a "tax-payer funded safari" (h/t Blackhawk Down) on Obama....I just volunteered Dave to cook.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

"I just volunteered Dave to cook. "

Err, thanks, J!

I think....

-Dave

Just exactly who is Barack Hussein Obama?

Chris,

LOL-I bet Obama is now burning through two packs a day.

-Dave

Just exactly who is Barack Hussein Obama?

Dave, probably more, but his

Dave, probably more, but his eyes look suspect to me, sliping in a BGO on the side

kangaroo,

LOL-Maybe he received a water pipe as a gift from one of his Arab friends. 

-Dave

Just exactly who is Barack Hussein Obama?

I was going to add, that baz

I was going to add, that baz probably has a couple of patches on, plus chews nigorette, and still smokes like a chimney, hard to stash an arab water pipe, they are huge LOL  oh, so I have heard he he he

mb

this afternoon obama presented his choice for surgen general, in the rose garden. if he likes skinnny ,she is far from that. 

You also pointed out in

You also pointed out in your editorial, you said someone other than patients and doctors would make the decision on treatments and medicines that we can have. Doesn’t that already happen under private plans?

I'm not certain how much this "already happens" with private plans. It's true that HMO's have restrictions, and PPO's have limits on amounts paid for certain testing and treatments, but that's a far cry from the restrictions that would be in place with goverment funded single payor health insurance.

I hate this "already happens" tactic. I've had discussions with friends and family who think that nationalized health care is the only way to go and they use this same argument.  Well, we already pay for this or that, so why not just make it official..  or some such BS.  They have no idea just how controlling the Feds will be if nationalized health care is enacted.

Is...Is not

ROBERTS - "....saying it’s government-run health care really is misleading, isn’t it?"

ROBERTS - "....as few as 10.1 million may leave for government-run health care....."

Evidently Roberts thinks using the term "government-run health care" is only misleading when a conservative uses the phrase.....not himself. 

Exactly acumen... Just

Exactly acumen...

Just reading that drove me nuts...let alone listening to it early today, don't even remember how I had it on CNN then to catch it, but I did.

Talk about double-speak.

Talking heads think we are all as incompetent as they are.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

And CNN wonders why their ratings are swirling in the toilet

-Dave

Just exactly who is Barack Hussein Obama?

LOL Dave... Not to echo

LOL Dave...

Not to echo you, but I suppose I am, because when I saw this this morning, those words in your post are just about the exact words I said to my husband.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

goldbar's response is

goldbar's response is typical for liberals as when they lose the argument on facts, which is quite common, they resort to back handed slaps to support their idiotic policies.  Jindal for president is much better than the dog and pony show we have now.  You liberals are just too short sighted to realize it so you just rubber stamp your votes in November.

 

When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!

For those of you ready to anoint Bobby Jindal as the GOP savior

you should know that the bloom is off his rose for many Louisiana voters.  Jindal has had several missteps in his first year/legislative session, and he needs to climb back on the bull to prove he's presidential material:

1.  Our legislature, in its infinite wisdom, decided to give itself a salary hike.  Jindal explicitly campaigned on vetoing any sudden increases of this sort.  Unfortunately, he also proimsed to leave internal legislative matters to the legislature.  He had to welch on one of them, and he initially chose to pass the salary increase.  This sparked statewide outrage, and it wasn't until recall petitions were started in earnest that he realized the magnitude of his mistake and vetoed the bill.  This is not a good sign of executive decision-making and honestly comes off as amateurish, and had the effect of turning off voters and legislators he needed to pass his ambitious ethics reforms.

2.  In the course of a year, our oil and gas-based economy went from a huge surplus--that legislators went on record saying how they didn't know how to spend it all--to devastating deficits, while our immediate neighbors are faring much better.  Because of the arcane structure of the La. constitution, most of the state budget is protected from large budget cuts, which means that higher education and health care, which are the only unprotected items, receive virtually all the cuts.  LSU's state budget has been so devastated it will take many years to recover the extremely hard-fought academic gains it's earned over the past few years.  Jindal was quick to point out there was little he could do about it, but he is still seen as presiding over the state budget mess.

3.  He has spent a large amount of time out of state on GOP fundraising activities.  In a poor state with a floundering economy, most people--myself included--believe he needs to stay here to address the myriad problems.  I would have loved to see him propose some sort of state economic recovery plan, but that didn't happen.

4.  The ethics reform he campaigned heavily on has been veeerrry slow in coming, with a single laughable law passed.  He also signed a bill which would allow high school students unable to pass the state graduation tests to graduate with a watered-down degree.  Disappointing to say the least.

IMO, before Jindal even considers a presidential run, he needs to show his commitment to fixing the state economy and the ethics reform upon which he campaigned so vigorously.  If he doesn't rebound soon, his reelection is far from guaranteed, and the more it will appear that he's only using the governor's seat as a springboard to national politics.  He needs a successful full term under his belt and reelection, and then make a 2016 run.

I agree to some exstent LSU

The ethics and budget shortcoming are hardly his fault, considering he cannot reform without cooperation. I agree with you about Bobby waiting till 16' to seek a higher office, but I also think we need to send him more cooperation.

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Check this out

Dont think we are paying attention here in LA. Sometime it feels like we are the only sane ones left

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

What about Newt and Eric Cantor

As far as the 2010 elections, the Republicans must say over and over that they screwed us under Bush and abandoned fiscal conservatism, a complete mea culpa (Africa Aid, Farm Aid, No child left behind, earmarks, yada yada)

Then they must announce self imposed term limits. If any of these politicians actually cared about the country more than themselves, they would do this and save the country with a congressional landslide.

They should also be pounding, over and over more oil drilling at home and bulding nuke power plants. "Have you forgotten 4.50 gas so fast?-why aren;t we drilling now?" Some such campaign, this would all sink peebo, and set the stage for a complete clean up next year!

But, let's face it, most of these guys come to do good, but want to stay to do well...both parties.

Why go for Mitt when you

Why go for Mitt when you know he's not very conservative. Wasn't Bush bad enough? Lets get a guy/lady we can feel good about on all the issues. Mitt created a mini Obama care which should disqualify him. I tire of the excusses about him being in MA so we should just forget about it. I could go with he did nothing because he was in a ultra-lib state, but not he caved and went socialist. Do no harm is a Dr.'s creed. Mitt did a lot of harm. No to Mitt. He was horrid in the debates as well. He was non-specific and boring. Only compared to the Huckster and McCain could he be considered acceptable. We need a guy like Jindal or someone new that is fast on his feet and has specifics to talk about. Why go back to the weak field of '08. The same group that lost to McCain. Let me say that again. The same guys who lost to McCain!  

              

                  I always knew Jindal was no fool. I can't say the same for CNN's Roberts.

JessieH, thats the phrase I

JessieH, thats the phrase I was looking for on Jindal, but I must admit he is as boring as bat shit.

Put Bobby Jindal walking

Put Bobby Jindal walking stiffly in front of a camera to rebut the State of the Union, and it's "not ready for primetime."

The guy is a living breathing POLICY WONK with a photographic memory.

Put him in front of a camera In a one-on-one against the usual standard of TV personality, he will CRUSH any.. repeat, any botoxed-up, hair gelled TV hack.

Now if he could develop an instinct to humiliate them as well.., for not even knowing when he won the governorship, then we have something.

Ever notice how people who believe complex conspiracy theories, seem to think the universe and humans are just a series of random events? 

Hey Jack

 Now if he could develop an instinct to humiliate them as well..,

 I have seen Bobby refrain from ever pointing out the obvious BS to folks. This guy simply does not speak ill of anyone, regardless of their motives or how rude they are. But he is quick and sharp, and when you meet him you can tell he is genuine.

Truth be told, I really like Vitter as well, for much of the same reasons. When they were both elected originally Bobby as my Congressman, I really thought that both of them had greater opportunities ahead of them. Vitter screwed up, but he has been a solid Senator. And I will help with his re-election

 My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Jack - I agree - we need more Republicans willing to speak out

against such lies as Roberts presented at the VERY BEGINNING of the interview!  I believe the governor may be too much of a gentleman to counterpunch and change the direction of the interview.  That is what I see missing so often...and why I love DeMint - he just grabs the reins and takes off!  I like Governor Jindal and definitely admire his intelligence, however I don't think he's cut out for dealing with the hatchet-wielding Washington crowd.  The Democrats do NOT respond well to polite discourse.

Re:  Romney - I believe his recent appearances touting his "Mass Health" will come back to haunt him.  Yes, he looks presidential and is a successful businessman.  However, I maintain there will NEVER be a president who hails from the liberal la-la land of Massachusetts.  The rest of the country considers any of us here as less than acceptable presidential (or senatorial) material. 

And...re: Liz Cheney...I really love to watch her operate.  She is all class, yet NO ONE gets to take her down the garden path with misleading information!  She is the best of both parents and I see a very promising future for her.

This comment comes from a proud Tea Party attendee, otherwise designated by Homeland Security as a Domestic Right Wing Terrorist!     It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue ~ Sam Adams

I'd just like to point out

I'd just like to point out that Ronaldus Magnus himself (father of our country *salutes*) was from California.

That's CALIFORNIA.

Home of Madame Boxer, Speaker Pelosi, and Dianne Feinstein.

What's your problem with liberal home states, if the man can do what most urgently needs doing?  All the guy has ever done is take failing enterprises and revamp them into industry leaders.

Sounds like just the guy for the job to me *grin*  Now I will say that he deserves to wander in the wilderness for four years, by reason of his state-run health insurance program in Massachussetts.  But before you write him off as a RINO, remember that Reagan signed a massive amnesty bill while he was POTUS.  That's decidedly unconservative -- but he did, and we generally overlook it because he was so doggone awesome the rest of the time.

Another ignorant, neo-con

Another ignorant, neo-con Repugnican who needs to wise up and "read some books"./sarc

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).

Mike, I noticed you

Mike,

I noticed you emphasized Jindal's Rhodes Scholar status.

Just curious.  Why is that academic achievement is considered valid when obtained by someone on the right, but not by someone on the left?

Why is it that Obama's position as the editor of the Harvard Law Review is just affirmative action (as so many around here love to claim), while Jindal's Rhodes Scholarship is a result of merit?

That is an excellent (though

That is an excellent (though dishonestly motivated) question, and I'll answer as though you actually were interested in knowing :D

First of all, I have yet to see anything that President Obama wrote while editor of the Harvard Law Review.  That is quite possibly because I haven't looked; but I would expect those who tout that resume bullet-point to read me the score.  How many articles did he write?  On what subjects?  What, pray tell, is the general academic opinion of those articles?  What does the Supreme Court Chief Justice think of those articles (we know where the guy works, yet nobody thinks to ask him his opinion?), or any other SCOTUS Justice?  I'd even enjoy reading a Stevens legal opinion on Obama's work there; assuming, of course that Obama did publish articles while editor of the Harvard Law Review.

In short, I have seen no evidence that Obama received the post on the merit of his legal expertise.

Piyush "Bobby" Jindal graduated from Brown University (where JFK Jr. studied, if memory serves), graduating with honors in biology and public policy.  He was accepted to Harvard Medical (a ridiculously tough school to get into) and Yale Law (which might be tougher) -- and rejecting both, he gained a Rhodes scholarship (no easy thing either) and attended Oxford, eventually graduating with a Master of Letters degree.  In case you are not aware, that is awarded on the merits of the student's research in his field.

Oh, and the subject of his thesis?

"A Needs-Based Approach to Health Care."

I think, based on Jindal's use of his Rhodes scholarship to research a thesis on the subject of health care -- at Oxford, no less -- that Rhodes scholarship merits emphasis.

And also, there's another well-known Rhodes scholar whose scholarship is well-published, especially in the arena of public policy.

William J. Clinton.  And I'm quite sure it was well-deserved, academically.

Re Bamster vs Governor Jindal

The Bamster is also a child of Affirmative Action. Every job, every college admission, every political office, every grade, every degree, is due to Affirmative Action. This is what is corrosive about the liberals' favorite form of discrimination. It devalues any accomplishments. A degree in the hands of a federal-category minority is not worth as much as the same degree in the hands of a non-minority. A GPA awarded to a federal-category minority is not the equivalent of the same GPA awarded to a non-minority.

Jindal's achievements are genuine, the Bamster's have to be seen through the inherent advantage he was provided through AA programs.

I sincerely doubt that every

I sincerely doubt that every accomplishment of Obama is due solely to affirmative action.  He did graduate from Harvard Law, after all.  I've no idea what his GPA was, but I'm assuming it was decent.  And if someone showed me his work while on the Harvard Law review, and if it showed legal merit in the eyes of legal experts (I'm not one, so I can't really comment on that myself), I'd accept his position on the Harvard Law Review as legitimately earned on merit.  Seriously, I would, and it'd be well-deserved.

Re AA

I beg to differ. Once a college admits students on the basis of Affirmative Action, it is committed to grading and graduating students by the same policy. If the graduation rate of (for example) black students from Harvard Law varied significantly from that of whites, Al Sharpton is there with his bullhorn in a Bronx minute. I've seen it in action personally. The people that run colleges are either far-left liberals that think AA is a good thing, or they are pragmatists that have given up and just go along to get along. They really have no choice. Therefore, a GPA of X from a minority is not equivalent to the same from a non-minority. AA students have their own grading curve, non-minorities have a different grading curve.

I'm not saying that he did not deserve a degree from Harvard, I'm pointing out that there is no evidence for his claimed 'brilliance', or his 'sky-high IQ', etc. 

If the Bamster did not benefit from AA, why are his SATs, LSATs, transcripts, admission paperwork, etc, all buried in a deep hole? What is being hidden? During Bush-Gore, we were able to compare SAT scores. Why not with the Bamster? If something is being hidden from us, it's pretty safe to assume that it's something bad.

Re Harvard Law Review, it is run entirely by students. It's not hard to see that those that voted could be snowed by the Bamster as 53 million others were. I don't see that position as of any consequence.

Thank you for proving my

Thank you for proving my point.

Mike, Good article on

Mike,

Good article on Obama's work at Law Review

However, I'm was talking more about his election to the law review v. Jindal's awarding of a Rhodes Scholar.

Well done, then.  Kudos to

Well done, then.  Kudos to Obama for working hard at the Harvard Law Review, and for keeping the peace while there.

He (according to the article) beat out 18 other contenders for the position.  Fifty hours a week at the office is not slacking, by any measure -- especially not for a law student at Harvard.  His earning of the position is legitimate.

What exactly is your problem, again, with my highlighting Bobby Jindal's accomplishment as a Rhodes Scholar?  Was your purpose to extract a concession from a right-winger?  If so, don't you have a girlfriend...or a basement to clean, or something?

Seriously, there's gotta be a purpose deeper than just hearing me, a largely irrelevant conservative, state that objectively, Obama appears to have earned his spot on the Harvard Law Review, based on the single article I've seen.  Oh, and you realize that as a NewsBusters guy, I am somewhat distrustful of media in general, right?

I really am bemused by all of this...

Mike, I apologize for the

Mike,

I apologize for the confusion and I appreciate the fact that you took the time to read and respond to my link.  Your post was spot on and objective.  Thanks.

I was in no way attacking your post.  I agree that Jindal is incredibly impressive with regard to his academic & political achievements.

I was more using your post to make a general statement about an attitude I see often at Newsbusters (and that slickwillie personified in this thread).

More often than not, minority liberal's academic/professional accomplishments are chocked up to affirmative action, while minority conservative's academic/professional accomplishments are attributed to merit.

I find this to be hypocrital and, frankly, maddening.

Just making an observation.

Cacciato, I wouldn't be

Cacciato,

I wouldn't be upset if you were attacking me or my post (day in the life, I don't take it personally at all).   I would ask, though, if you're referring to the staff at NewsBusters, or simply to the commenters at NewsBusters.

I think it's pretty clear that we disagree with our commenters on some things.  That said, ideas -- all ideas, no matter how much either one of us disagrees with them on their face -- should be critically evaluated.  Evidence, not emotion, is the way to win an argument.  That's not necessarily the best way to win an election, per se; but it works in arguments.  Take this for example, from your Politico article: 

One thing Obama did not do while with the review was publish any of his own work. Campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said Obama didn't write any articles for the Review, though his two semesters at the helm did produce a wide range of edited case analyses and unsigned “notes” from Harvard students.

On its face, one might argue that Obama did not do any work.  However, the president of the Law Review is not required to publish any of his own work.  It is, as far as I am able to determine, the custom of Law Review presidents to publish their own articles; but it is not a requirement.  And, in fact, Obama's job there was to help evaluate articles on their merits -- an umpire, if you will; calling balls and strikes.  (No, that's not an echo from the Judiciary Committee)

At any rate, if you don't expect to find some hypocrisy on the internet, you're hopelessly naive.  I won't single out any one commenter for it, but it happens here, just as it happens at every other commenter-friendly site.  Besides, comments are meant to be opinion, not dry legalese :D

~

Thanks -- got it.

"O" won't talk about Harvard Law Review

Leon, First explain why "O" will not allow the release of any articles written while he was editor....Mee thinks he lied about being on the Law Review......if he was, then why won't he release any of those articles????

"We need a better class of troll around here" - Blonde 

"Maybe if we keep our heads buried in the sand, this will blow over" - The Congressional Republicans

Am I missing something

Am I missing something simple here? Doesn't Harvard Law school have a library? My point is that when I went to U of T Engineering school, all of the papers by the resident professors were available in the library for anyone to look up. So look it up!

all restricted

The "O" had all college records and documents sealed before the election.....they have not been released to the public. If you say they have, tell me where I can see them.  

"Maybe if we keep our heads buried in the sand, this will blow over" - The Congressional Republicans

No, just "look it up"

Then when they hand the records over to you, you can sell them for few hundred thou to any number of tabloids, blogs, etc.

Easy money! 

South Jersey, As usual

South Jersey,

As usual you are confused.  You're mistaking private, college records for the Law Review which is a published work.

You don't actually believe that Obama wasn't actually on the Law Review do you?  Check the link I provided above.

South Jersey, What are

South Jersey,

What are you talking about?  Since when does someone have to release public information.

It's out there, you just haven't looked.  Sheesh. 

Serious Obama hate.  I love it!

→ Staccato

Are you actually claiming Obama's writings at Harvard are available to the public?

If they were, they would have been dissected by now, and you know it.

Your only way out of this one is to contend Obama wasn't expected to publish anything due to his position.

That, I'll buy.

NOT public

They should be public, but Harvard restricted them. NO ONE has seen them. If you have, or know of someone that has, show me where......several were asking before the election. As far as I know, they were never made available...prove me wrong.

"Maybe if we keep our heads buried in the sand, this will blow over" - The Congressional Republicans

ALL of Obama's records and

ALL of Obama's records and transcripts are sealed.

Funny how Palin's HS and college report cards were readily available, though. And of course, they were mocked by all the libtard sites.

SoL, What do his records

SoL,

What do his records and transcripts have to do with the Harvard Law Review?

As for Palin's college report cards, they WERE all readily available...you just had to go to 20 different schools to find them!  Ha!

Stealing Olbermann's material again, huh?

Didn't realize that this thread was strictly limited to the Harvard Law Review.

The fact remains the secrecy surrounding Mr. President's academic records, and most other records, for that matter, would make a CIA spook jealous.

What is he hiding? 

Sick, It matters very little

Sick,

It matters very little what he's hiding at the Harvard Law Review (likely nothing, as it is reported that he didn't actually, y'know, WRITE anything during that time).  We already knew he was not qualified to be President (lack of experience, that's all I'm referencing here).  We already knew he was a wild spender, wanton taxer, eco-wack, psuedoscience-promoting master of charades.

What else do we need to know?

Double

Double..

More of the same, only "better?"

"It’s actually not the government that would be running the health care
system. That would still be private, it would just be providing
insurance."

Excuse me, but hasn't the liberals been pointing out, for decades , the pitfalls of private insurance "plans?"  I can distinctly remember Hillary Clinton  moaning excessively about how the health insurance system has failed ordinary  Americas with "managed health care," and "indifference" to patents wishes and need.  Now she's jumping on the Obamacare bandwagon and promoting that the US Government actually SUPPORT those same insurances companies and HMO's by offering a tax beak to every company who buys private insurance coverage for their employees?  That IS what they are offering, correct? 

Don't be fooled.  Hillary and Obama WANT "private" insurance to disappear altogether, for the "ordinary" Americans, anyways.  They, like the rest of the wealthy Liberals, are happy with private insurance for themselves and their children, just not for anyone else.  They want US to be a victim of Government controlled health care while exempting themsel;ves for this burden.  They want US to suffer so they don't have to.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Romney has three strikes

1) He was governor of Mass when the universal healthplan came into being

2) He was  governor of Mass when same-sex marriage came into being

and

3) Anyone liberal enough for Mass to vote into office is not conservative enough for my vote.

And, please, to the person who thought Romney looks so "presidential" - we have just elected someone who looks and sounds "presidential" - just exactly how is that choice working out for the country?

Re Romney

Agreed on item 1; Romney has to come up with a good story for his health plan in MA if he expects to get through the Republican primaries for 2012. The other candidates, whoever they are, will bludgeon him with this issue.

→ Slick

Some of us aren't going to forget how proudly he proclaimed his involvement in RomneyCare during the Primaries.

His fifty buck abortions was a nice touch too.

Ok, I'll bite :D 1.) Romney

Ok, I'll bite :D

1.) Romney made it as good as it could possibly be, because it was going to happen with or without him;

2.) Romney was not on the Massachussetts Supreme Court, and thus had no control over the Goodridge v. Mass. Dept. of Public Health decision;

3.) Anyone liberal enough to vote for amnesty for illegal immigrants...is probably Ronald Reagan.

And please, the only thing Romney and Obama have in common is Harvard.  Which they both have in common with at least eight Supreme Court Justices,  including Antonin Scalia.  What, exactly, is your point in comparing those two individuals?

I'm not saying Romney is without blame there.  But I am saying that rejecting him in 2008 is enough punishment.

Oh, and in case you were wondering, my money is on Petraeus to knock off Romney.  If Petraeus gets in (a strong rumor from people who would know), and the issue of the day is foreign policy, Petraeus wins hands down.

"I'm not saying Romney is

"I'm not saying Romney is without blame there. But I am saying that rejecting him in 2008 is enough punishment."

I'll be the judge of that for myself, thank you.....

Yes, I suppose you will.  I

Yes, I suppose you will.  I wouldn't presume to make that judgement for you.

But if you hold this against Romney, do you also hold Reagan's support of amnesty against him?

What about Sarah Palin saying that she did, however briefly, consider having an abortion upon learning her unborn child had Downs Syndrome?  Mitch Daniels, calling for a tax increase?

Where do you draw the line?  I'm curious?