The Devil In The Details: LA Times Ignores Substance, Attacks U.S. Gun Manufacturers

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The L.A. Times is parsing math.

If you were to not read Josh Meyer’s June 17 article very carefully, you might think that 90 percent of the weapons recovered from Mexican cartel raids originated in the United States:

The report by the congressional Government Accountability Office, the first federal assessment of the issue, offered blistering conclusions that will probably influence the debate over the role of U.S.-made weaponry as violence threatens to spill across the Mexico border.

According to a draft copy of the report, which will be released today, the growing number of weapons being smuggled into Mexico comprise more than 90% of the seized firearms that can be traced by authorities there.

Pay close attention, however, to the wording.  That’s 90 percent of the seized firearms – that authorities are able to trace.  This wording actually reflects the vagueness of the GAO report’s highlights:

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While it is impossible to know how many firearms are illegally smuggled into Mexico in a given year, about 87 percent of firearms seized by Mexican authorities and traced in the last 5 years originated in the United States, according to data from Department of Justice’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

The actual report is much more specific about the limitations of the data:

In 2008, of the almost 30,000 firearms that the Mexican Attorney General’s office said were seized, only around 7,200, or approximately a quarter, were submitted to ATF for tracing.

In other words, the sample size used to manufacture the 90-percent statistic is roughly one-quarter of the actual number of weapons seized.  Of those weapons lucky enough to be chosen for ATF examination, 90 percent came from the United States.  Even more strangely, the L.A. Times overlooks an important issue with the GAO’s methodology:

However, as noted earlier in the report, because firearms seized in Mexico are not always submitted for tracing within the same year they were seized, it was not possible for us to develop data to track trends on the types of firearms trafficked or seized.

So the major statistical hang-up is that the Mexican authorities arbitrarily choose which weapons to submit for tracing – and when.

To sum up what we have so far: Of the roughly one-quarter of the total weapons seized that are arbitrarily submitted to the U.S. for tracing and can be traced with the limited available data, 90 percent come from the United States.

And here’s the best part:

As is inherently the case with various types of illegal trafficking, such as drug trafficking, the extent of firearms trafficking to Mexico is unknown[...].

There is a footnote immediately following this statement, which reads:

While there is no data on the total number of firearms trafficked to Mexico, the Government of Mexico maintains data on the number of firearms seized in Mexico. Information, such as serial numbers, on many of these seized firearms is submitted to ATF’s National Tracing Center for tracing. ATF’s National Tracing Center attempts to trace the firearms using the information submitted. Between fiscal years 2004-2008, around 52 percent of trace requests from Mexico that were submitted to ATF’s National Tracing Center identified the first retail dealer. Furthermore, according to ATF, the identification of the country of manufacturing origin of a firearm does not depend on identifying the first retail dealer but rather on the initial description of the firearm.

Holy bureaucracy, Batman – these statistics are based on an incomplete knowledge of sample size?  Not only that, but the much-ballyhooed ‘tracing’ of these weapons is apparently done by looking at the firearm and saying “Yep, that looks like an American weapon.”

One might wonder if anyone at the L.A. Times bothered to read this report.   

A summary of the GAO report can be found here, and the full GAO report can be found here.  Also, here's Fox News' analysis of the 90-percent statistic – it was released well before this GAO report, but this same parsing of facts occured previously as well.


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Sit and Spin

Matters not if the LATs reporter bothered to read the report...after-all, the leftist msm all are doing their best since O got in and the dems have complete control to try and force them to get rid of the 2nd Amendment...it is as simple as that....they've tried for years, and they are not about to stop anytime soon....

Plus they do have Holder and crew working with them, and O-Team if they ever told the truth...which is an impossibility.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

How would I trace a serial

How would I trace a serial number of a handgrenade made in South Korea, Delivered to the Guatamalan Army, and then sold to the drug gangs?  Cannot be done since there is not SN on those.  So it does not count.

But a Remington 700 manufactured in the US for its domestic market you can.

That makes it a case of "Damned if we do, damned if we don't" from the liberals.

Even more vague.

That is not quite correct.  The original report that I had read was that of those weapons that are able to be traced, ~90% are from the US.  Most weapons are unable to be traced at all, and most of those untracable weapons are unlikly to be from the US.

That's the point - media

That's the point - media outlets are not being clear at all on what exactly this report says.

 The report says that Mexican officials arbitrarily decide which weapons to send to ATF, which works out to be about a quarter of the total weapons seized.  ATF then arbitrarily decides which weapons are of American manufacture - really a very easy process, but still arbitrary, as there is no real solid evidence offered as to which weapons actually ARE manufactured in the U.S.  Finally, I may have missed it in the report, but I don't remember this report talking about legal arms sales to other countries such as Guatemala, who may be selling the weapons on the black market to drug cartels, who import the firearms from South or Central America, to Mexico, where they are eventually seized by Mexican officials fighting the cartels.

Not to mention the fact that the problem here is not the guns; it's the CARTELS.  Firearms are the tools of the trade, not the craftsman.

Furthermore, what are the Mexican officials using to fight the cartels, spitballs?  There are myriad questions NOT being asked by the media, which is a massive problem in the media.

Faux Statistics

When leftists want legislation for a cause they come up with "faux statistics" to support their position.

Mexican drug lords are quite capable of importing arms in large quantities using the same channels other revolutionaries use.  As for US weapons, how many of those were turned over by Mexican soldiers or police as a result of bribery?

Get ready to lock and load,

Get ready to lock and load, folks, here they come!

Row... Yep...keep your

Row...

Yep...keep your powder dry...they aren't about to quit.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Here We Go Again

So, the cartels who are some of the richest criminals in the history of the planet, with fleets of private boats and planes,  are paying US citizens to purchase over priced, semi-automatic rifles in the US, then transport them across what is arguably Mexico's most patrolled border, then purchasing or manufacturing the sears and selector switches to make them fully automatic capable. . . instead of buying full auto AK's for 1/5th the US price of a semi-auto pretty much anywhere else in the world.  Makes perfect sense.

And we are already paying the price.  I crossed the border week before last and noticed the border patrol was searching more cars going into Mexico than coming out, they may not have been looking for weapons but I think it is likely.  These agents could have been used to search more cars coming from Mexico instead.  Meanwhile the soldatos on the other side were checking the usual 10-20% of cars.

Where are the AMERICANS?

 wotsizname   Where is the Party Of The Republic?  Where are the builder -uppers we must have to confront the tearer -downers now in dictatorial power?  Do you see any difference in goal or method from Nazi Germany in the mid 1930's and America in 2009?  Many people in America simply do not believe in liberty for the citizens or in inviolable human rights.  Where are those who shout that my primary rights are given to me by my creator, and that the government has no rights to give or deny?  My right and duty to have the will and means to protect myself, home, family, community and country are MINE, whether the amoral ones think so or not.  Lies and doctrine that rights are privileges from the Crown were rejected.  Can we also reject the nutty arguments about what we will or won't allow other citizens to do in their private lives, and get back to having a Republic based on a few good laws?    "... America, America, God mend thine every flaw.  Confirm thy soul in self control, thy Liberty in Law."

Fun with Statistics

The LAT article was an absolute cut-and-paste job of a flawed report and only noteworthy in that they presented this trash to their readers as "news" without back-checking the "facts" created in the report.

Fact is, our government is looking for new creative reasons to "regulate" firearms ownership in the US so that the Great One can sidestep his promises made to voters to protect our 2nd Amendment freedoms in his campaign. 

I think we are about to find out what "sensible gun laws" really means.

"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking." - General George Patton Jr

The Unanswered Question

Where are the arrests of the gun dealers who are selling these large amounts of arms to these drug cartels.  After all they have the serial numbers of these "Illegal" weapons and according to Federal Regulations you have to record all weapons sold at gun stores.  So where are the ATF agents busting down the doors to these stores? 

"For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security."

Uther... What a great

Uther...

What a great point you have made here...where are they indeed, if this was so true.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Well Uther

Where are the arrests of the gun dealers who are selling these large amounts of arms to these drug cartels.

 You'v blown someones cover? Someone else asked this a while back, Levin or Wilkow I think. Very good question though.

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