Is it just me or does it seem that liberal political figures seem to have a propensity to say "it was just a joke" whenever a particularly idiotic idea of theirs meets with appropriate ridicule?
That at least, is what Sheryl Crow is now saying after her remarks about how everyone should only use one square of toilet paper were derided worldwide. I'm inclined to agree with Ace. He quotes from Crow's original blog post and then asks:
If someone can point out the tropes typically used to indicate ironical intent here, I'd appreciate it. Seems to me like a list of earnestly-proposed "solutions."
All daffy. But daffiness is the left's stock in trade. Whereas irony, self-awareness, and humor generally are not.
So please, someone inform me of how Crow was, as people do when they joke, indicating she was winking at the audience. [...]
The thing is, this sort of nonsense -- proposing idiotic solutions this supposed catastrophic problem, solutions that are, conveniently, either on a very low level of sacrifice (reusing paper bags) or something that can never be verified by the public (using one square) -- are the Hollywood ditzes' stock in trade.
They want to be perceived as doing their part for the cause -- sacrificing for it -- without having to engage in actual sacrifice.
So, I call bullshit on her. She said a stupid thing, and now she's claiming it was a joke. But she's said things nearly as stupid before, and will say things even stupider in the future. Someone who is consistently comcially stupid cannot trot out the "silly joke" defense with much credibility, because so little separates their alleged "jokes" and their serious beliefs.
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"Everybody gets high,
April 25, 2007 - 00:49 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love"Everybody gets high, everybody gets low,
These are the days when anything goes"--Sheryl Crow (Everyday is a Winding Road)
I think that pretty much sums it up.
She was getting high, had some "wonderful" ideas (as all pot-heads do), wrote them down...when she came down from her high she looked at what she wrote down and still thought they were brilliant ideas...and went to press with them. She then continued with these ideas for what...almost a week? And after getting bagged upon by everyone (including Rosie O'Donnell), she then claims it was a joke. Rrrrrrrright! Apparently these aren't the days when anything goes. She will never live this down. Who's the joke on now?
"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade, and then toss it in the face of the person who gave you the lemons until they give you the oranges you asked for in the first place!" --Bill McNeal, NewsRadio episode 3.17
A joke huh, after almost tw
April 25, 2007 - 01:29 ET by jmad627A joke huh, after almost two days of justifiable world-wide ridicule, it is now a joke!?!!?? boy she had me fooled--yeah right.
I do have to thank her for the comic relief she provided free of charge, though, because her inanity was a wellspring of humor. While listening to Rush, I was laughing with tears streaming down my face, pretty much like I laughed in the days I smoked pot, and I used to smoke a lot.
I think you are on to something Mean Gene. She probably thought up this gem of conservation, while in a marijuana revery, and thank God one of her yes-man (person?) handlers were too frightened to tell the empress that she had no clothes on. When the high wore off, and she woke up, she saw the whole world laughing at her. So reverting to what anyone who says or does something stupid she says it was just a joke, what it proved is that she is a joke. Personally I think she was as serious as hell.
The thing is I like a couple of her songs, not enough to go out and buy anything.
Now everytime I see her I gonna think of excrement!!! I can't believe that she was a teacher.
Thanks for the unintentional comic relief Miss burnt out, still lost in the sixties hippie chick.
I guess it is now officiall
April 25, 2007 - 04:07 ET by motherbeltI guess it is now officially a "botched joke." LOL
"botched joke" exac
April 25, 2007 - 08:06 ET by TheTruth"botched joke" exactly what John Kerry says after he trashes the troops.
Oh, I see, a botched joke!&qu
April 25, 2007 - 09:43 ET by fosstenOh, I see, a botched joke!
"If you go to school, study, work hard, then you will do well. If you don't you get stuck on an ecotour with Laurie David getting laughed at for saying stupid things on national TV."
The perfect lib solution
April 25, 2007 - 20:51 ET by SportPoliticsThe perfect lib solution for the closed seashell thread:
Make the tp out of hemp fiber - then after the libs wipe they can roll it up and smoke it - and it will be what Cheech and Chong called it. rofl
Did someone say bad joke ?
I agree with this theory. P
April 25, 2007 - 06:50 ET by NortonPeteI agree with this theory. Proof is that Crow doesn't think Global Warming is something to joke about. Now after ruining Rove's dinner she's joking about Global Warming. Nonsense.
The Sheryl/Laurie Theme Song!
April 28, 2007 - 04:16 ET by jstamboThe Sheryl Crow/Laurie David Theme Song!!
Do'oh!
April 25, 2007 - 01:39 ET by Sua Sponte 75"I was joking" = There is no way in hell I would follow my own mindless blathering.
"I was joking" = To be proceeded if there is a multitude of negative statements about my stupid statement.
As if ANY of these asshats would ever follow their own advise and yet they continue to have this mindless following.
"Stupid Should Hurt"
"Stupid Should Hurt"
April 25, 2007 - 03:14 ET by stanleygoodspeed"Stupid Should Hurt" ... it should, but it doesn't - if you're a liberal, anyway.
Sheryl Crow's "carbon fo
April 25, 2007 - 02:01 ET by The Right StuffSheryl Crow's "carbon footprint" will be a skidmark.
You know you'd like to see he
April 25, 2007 - 09:51 ET by fosstenYou know you'd like to see her scooting across the floor.
All liberal solutions to non-
April 25, 2007 - 03:09 ET by stanleygoodspeedAll liberal solutions to non-crises and aggrandized non-problems boil down to one simple verse :
Psalms 26:10
In whose hands is mischief, and their right hand is full of bribes.
Clearly Crow is a honors gr
April 25, 2007 - 04:12 ET by Jack BauerClearly Crow is a honors graduate from the John Kerry School of Humor
Boy, she really knows funny.
Jack I like the Reid (D-Feat)
April 25, 2007 - 05:17 ET by USA4freedomJack I like the Reid (D-Feat) line.
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagn- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
Oh, really?
April 25, 2007 - 05:37 ET by goldenthroatIf a liberal puts their foot in their mouth, it's a joke - if a conservative does it, it's an impeachable offense! Hypocrites!
Never dance on an empty stomach unless it's a liberal.
Damn.Other than the truth, co
April 25, 2007 - 05:46 ET by dahliatraversDamn.
Other than the evidence, comments like these are the best thing going for AGW skeptics and their case. What other ... er, sensible, endearing statement can we get her to make?
Sheryl, seriously, the biggest global warming gas is water vapor.
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
Don't you think it would be in the best interest of the planet for us to give up hot showers? All that steam can't be helping ...
< edit: Change "truth" to "evidence". Didn't mean to be presumptuous. >
A defining moment.
April 25, 2007 - 07:05 ET by vman92This will come to define Sheryl Crow as the fake documents and the National Guard story came to define Dan Rather. I believe she will rue the day she opened her mouth with that rediculous idea.
"...rue the day...?"
April 25, 2007 - 10:17 ET by fossten"...rue the day...?"
You know you shouldn't be using such big words with lib trolls lurking around here.
straight from the lib manual:
April 25, 2007 - 07:55 ET by pmohbuckstraight from the lib manual:
"you will often find your brilliant and innovative ideas will be far too complex for the idiot masses ... when put into this position, it is imperative that you DO NOT panic. It is at this point that you must guage the public and the media's reaction to your comment, idea or plan and then make your move. The key is, no matter how much of an uproar you have created ... NEVER apologize ... since your intellectual capacity far exceeds everyone else's, you never need to be sorry. The simple solution is to refer to your comment, plan or idea as a joke gone bad or just inform them that your words were taken out of context ... and move on. Don't dwell on these things ... you've got a planet to save and people to control"
You have completely skeeved m
April 25, 2007 - 20:38 ET by dahliatraversYou have completely skeeved me!
Sandy Berger: "Hey, I was ju
April 25, 2007 - 08:18 ET by JerrySandy Berger: "Hey, I was just kidding around too! Hey look! Former National Security Advisor... Stealing documents... The Sandman.. Sand-a-mundo... Stealing copies... You know.. the old SNL skit."
Ward Churchill: "Me too! Me too! Just joking around. I said Eichmans but I meant to say Pokemons. Eichmans.. Pokemons... you get the picture. Ha Ha! Big joke!"
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Sandy Berger. "And, they
April 25, 2007 - 08:48 ET by danboSandy Berger. "And, they were only copies." Working copies with handwritten notes in the margins. "Only copies."
"I went over my quota of TP. I need to reprocess the paper."
is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
What Crow ment to say was,,
April 25, 2007 - 08:29 ET by charlietexasWhat Crow ment to say was,,,,,"we don't need turlit paper. I use my hand", tp just gets in the way of me touching my butt."
Speaking of joking around: Q:
April 25, 2007 - 08:33 ET by JerrySpeaking of joking around:
Q: What type of pants does Cheryl Crow prefer?
A: DUNG-arees
Q: What is the first song Cheryl Crow learned to play on her guitar?
A: Wipeout (learned from sheet music)
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Q: What is the second song C
April 25, 2007 - 09:02 ET by EKOGQ: What is the second song Cheryl Crow learned to play on her guitar?
A: "That Smell" by Lynyrd Skynyrd
So it was a joke? Joke my a
April 25, 2007 - 09:09 ET by MightyMouthSo it was a joke? Joke my arse! It's called "damage control".
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
She's still a pathetic asswip
April 25, 2007 - 09:25 ET by Hero SquadShe's still a pathetic asswipe.
Joke or not, this will follow her around like, well, like a stream of toilet paper stuck to her shoe.
I'd almost be willing to go to that Live Al concert just to toss toilet paper around the audience during her set.
*****
"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello
loony
April 25, 2007 - 10:12 ET by Right_of_LeftC'mon guys...
Originally when the story broke, I bought into it too, and thought she was a complete loon. But if you read all of her post it's pretty clear she's being facetious.
"This next idea I have been saving but I will share it with you if you promise not to steal it."
That's not an indication of "winking at the audience"?
Also - DUNG-arees is hilarious Jerry.
The joke ended up being on he
April 25, 2007 - 10:29 ET by bigtimerThe joke ended up being on her!
One square her arse....
ROFLMAO...
Now, she's lying
April 25, 2007 - 11:54 ET by Gary HallNow, she's lying. Crow's proposal for us all to use one square of TP was rather out there. But telling us, afer it backfired (no pun intended), that her proposal was a joke, is a lie.
Gary,Of course she's lying, i
April 25, 2007 - 13:02 ET by bigtimerGary,
Of course she's lying, it is obvious, plus she is an air-head leftist.
Oops. My bad.
April 25, 2007 - 10:38 ET by QueenMumOops. My bad.
Hm. I thought Crow was a sing
April 25, 2007 - 10:39 ET by QueenMumHm. I thought Crow was a singer, not a comedienne. To quote my personal hero, Laura Ingraham - "Shut up and sing."
The problem I'm having is how we're supposed to know what part of Crow's statements were "only joking". If it was a joke, are we to then assume that whenever she speaks in public regarding such issues that she's only joking and that she's really on the opposite side of the issue. I'm confused. ;)
What a lame attempt to save face.
Yes, good point, QueenMum.
April 25, 2007 - 20:41 ET by dahliatraversYes, good point, QueenMum. How will we know going forward when she is serious and what is a joke?
Yeap, what I said before on a
April 25, 2007 - 10:58 ET by dscottYeap, what I said before on another thread about the double standard liberal tactic when they get called on something. Libs play by different rules, one set for them and the other set to hold all of us completely accountable for what we say or do. Rove, Gonzales, Cheney or Bush makes a mistatement and the world is coming to an end and libs ride the issue to the bitter end; Pelosi, Kerry, Reid or Dean can say any foolish or treasonous thing but not one of them are held to accountable. It was a joke, you're taking things too seriously, you are polarizing, making trouble, instigating, etc.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
I see she's trotting out th
April 25, 2007 - 12:58 ET by FlashmanI see she's trotting out the old, "You're too unsophisticated to realise I was just joking." routine so favoured by the left..
STOP GLOBAL WARMING
April 25, 2007 - 13:13 ET by m_zeplinHow does one stop something that cannot be proven to exist?
crow joke
April 25, 2007 - 13:52 ET by m1xramCome on, read it...
It has to be a joke, what else could it be? It ain't going to happen, there are no sh*t police, and the squares don't wash off. LOL My sarcasmometer is pegged.
The next paragraph is also humorous, wipe you mouth on your sleeve. Ma always gave me a hard time about that when I was little. In fact, I can't figure out where the serious part of the blog starts.
Are you telling me, that somehow, she is serious? If so we may need to call in the breeder police.
m1xram
No she was serious, until o
April 25, 2007 - 16:34 ET by MightyMouthNo she was serious, until of course the sh*t hit the fan, then it became a joke.
<"sorry">
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
too much sh*t
April 25, 2007 - 17:17 ET by m1xramWow, it's just too much to get my head around. Been pushing this for a year? I just can't stop laughing even if it's not a joke.
I'm dialing the breeder police right now.
m1xram
There was quite a delay betwe
April 25, 2007 - 20:46 ET by dahliatraversThere was quite a delay between the reaction to her comment and her clarification. If it really was a joke, why didn't she say so sooner?
I will conform to the one squ
April 25, 2007 - 16:37 ET by Clear thinkerI will conform to the one square rule when they start making toilet paper the size of paper towels!
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
She was not kidding
April 25, 2007 - 16:23 ET by david999She was not kidding. She and Laurie David have been advocating this for at least a year. Here is a link to a comment about the proposal from a year ago
http://newsbusters.org/node/12285#comment
Your link is THIS very thread
April 25, 2007 - 16:50 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveYour link is THIS very thread. Did you make a mistake...or are you joking?
"Yeah, right! Who's the only one here that knows illegal ninja moves from the government?!" --Napoleon Dynamite
Crow certainly is the whole
April 25, 2007 - 16:28 ET by Tim the EnchanterCrow certainly is the whole package- talentless, vapid, and ugly to boot!
Scary Crow was "just kid
April 25, 2007 - 18:46 ET by SnowWhiteScary Crow was "just kidding"? Just joking around? Or is this just another way of saying, "OOPS!... Guess you folks out there are savvier than I thought." Or, "I guess I made a big ass of myself, with my goofy tp idea." Better to make a joke about it than admit you are a joke and have to eat crow. Come clean Crow. You'll feel better about yourself. . Is there a 'bad tp joke' rehab?
A joke for Sheryl Crow
April 25, 2007 - 19:09 ET by BlondeHere's a "joke" for Sheryl One Square Crow....
Warning...it's a bit adultish in content:
Every day, a male co-worker walks up very close to a lady at the coffee machine, inhales a big breath of air, and tells her that her hair smells nice.
After a week of this, she can't stand it anymore, takes her complaint to a supervisor in the personnel department and asks to file a sexual harassment grievance against him.
The Human Resources supervisor is puzzled and asks: "What's sexually threatening about a co-worker telling you your hair smells nice?"
The woman replies, "It's Keith, the midget...."
Betcha old Sheryl One Square won't go there......
<edit: Okay, Mean Gene...you can tell me when I'm allowed out of time out>
Blonde,I had to do a double
April 25, 2007 - 19:21 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveBlonde,
I had to do a double-take on who posted that!
Hilarious!
Oh...you can come out of time out now.
"Yeah, right! Who's the only one here that knows illegal ninja moves from the government?!" --Napoleon Dynamite
Mean Gene,I got this yesterda
April 25, 2007 - 19:23 ET by BlondeMean Gene,
I got this yesterday or the day before, and thought long and hard about it, before I posted it.
I'm not all sweetness and light....I know, that's a shocker, huh?
LOL blonde! Don't worry kid
April 25, 2007 - 19:35 ET by MightyMouthLOL blonde! Don't worry kids won't get that one even if they could read it! :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Indeed
April 25, 2007 - 19:39 ET by Mr. BishopPersonally, I am all for a bit of humor. I love jokes, that actually make me laugh, and if they are considered crude, and a little outside the "norm" for acceptable culture... yadda yadda, etc., then I love it even more. That particular joke, I got right off the bat, and I certainly enjoyed it. Anyone that finds it offensive, there is this really amazing thing(s) that human beings can do -- forget about it -- not read it -- don't repeat it -- and just plain ignore it.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Oh, Mr Bishop you're preach
April 25, 2007 - 19:43 ET by MightyMouthOh, Mr Bishop you're preachin to the choir on that :-) I sometimes post things that are on the edge. The reason I know that is...they magically disappear! The system works. I just hope I don't log in some day and see the dreaded "Page not found" screen. I have been lucky so far...
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Well, I come from the same ho
April 25, 2007 - 19:43 ET by BlondeWell, I come from the same home town as Chris Evert, who's known for her love of bawdy jokes.
I about choked when I read this one, actually sent to me on Monday....but it was so, um, apropos!
But some here are a tad touchy....so that's why I put the adult warning on it.
Usually I just do blonde jokes....but I'm trying to stretch a bit. :)
I thought it was funny. Pas
April 26, 2007 - 00:29 ET by Matthew SheffieldI thought it was funny. Passed it to a few ppl I know.
Blonde, my brother-in-law is
April 25, 2007 - 19:39 ET by JABBlonde, my brother-in-law is a building contractor, he's going to love this one. Thanks for the laugh out loud evening.
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
Dr love. She's got that side.
April 25, 2007 - 20:05 ET by danboDr love. She's got that side. She's one of the few people I know who understand checking out the back stacks at the library.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Um, danbo.Now I'm confused...
April 25, 2007 - 20:11 ET by BlondeUm, danbo.
Now I'm confused.....
You were the one who reminded
April 25, 2007 - 20:14 ET by danboYou were the one who reminded me of the education one can get in the back stacks of a university library.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Are you sure?I don't remember
April 25, 2007 - 20:23 ET by BlondeAre you sure?
I don't remember that....
But it's not outside of the realm of possibility. :D
I could be wrong. But i'm pre
April 25, 2007 - 21:00 ET by danboI could be wrong. But i'm pretty sure it was you. You were talking about how educational university libraries were. Kind of in a double meaning. Reminded me of the back stacks. Hadn't thought about that in years.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
danbo,Okay, I'll take credit
April 25, 2007 - 21:10 ET by Blondedanbo,
Okay, I'll take credit for that.
Back stacks....good one.
Universities, and libraries, should be, um, educational!
It also smacks of the old eli
April 25, 2007 - 19:28 ET by kathleenirishIt also smacks of the old elite condescending attitude towards the masses: "Sorry if you don't understand my nuanced sophisticated humor.." except that, she meant it. We know she did. All these crazy lefties hate everything about human life, including the fact that we eat and drink and use the bathroom. Selfish, world-destroying people!!!
" 'Fred's Slacks' is a winner!!"
I can't believe any of you to
April 26, 2007 - 07:27 ET by MobiusStripI can't believe any of you took this remark seriously. Crow hooked you like a sick carp and played you out. If you had a any sense of humor, you'd have figured it out- I guess you have have your April Fools all month on the right.
What a bunch of gullibles.
Did you even read the origi
April 26, 2007 - 07:36 ET by sarcasmoDid you even read the original blog-post?? "Someone who is consistently comically stupid cannot trot out the 'silly joke' defense with much credibility, because so little separates their alleged "jokes" and their serious beliefs." Even if it is/was a joke, the fact that almost-nobody -- left to right -- could tell whether or not she was joking says something about her "serious" ideas as well as her comic abilities, doesn't it???
JMR
Oh, God- you got taken entire
April 26, 2007 - 08:16 ET by MobiusStripOh, God- you got taken entirely, didn't you? Aks any woman you know- any- if one square is enough. And then find a mother that would allude to having a kid stupid enough to suggest washing it out. Do you have any sense of in-the-cheek humor? Apparently not. You were had like a full roll of Charmin- admit it and move on.
Correct.The good news is, we
April 26, 2007 - 20:56 ET by dahliatraversCorrect.
The good news is, we never have to take her seriously again.
I have been seeing this threa
April 25, 2007 - 19:47 ET by JABI have been seeing this thread for a few days now without posting, and tonight, I can not get past the picture of this (ladies ?) Grill. Gees, what a set of chompers, it reminds me of a picture of Donnie Osmond (AKA, Piano mouth).
Hummm, "Piano Crow", it does have a nice ring to it, suggestions?
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
Oh Jeez, JAB,I used to refer
April 25, 2007 - 19:50 ET by BlondeOh Jeez, JAB,
I used to refer to my wicked step-mother as 88 (as in piano keys)!
Thanks for the giggle....particularly now that the witch can no longer torment me.
Here's to you, Jean, you old piano, battle axe, ex-step mom who can no longer pour Comet in my tub!
Fond memories of Jean there B
April 25, 2007 - 19:56 ET by JABFond memories of Jean there Blonde (/sarc off)? Glad to see life worked in your favor and you over came others short comings, you deserve it.
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
Thanks, JAB!I've not had the
April 25, 2007 - 20:01 ET by BlondeThanks, JAB!
I've not had the old hag pour Comet in the tub for years and years and years now.
My reaction to that old witch was one of my (very few) shortcomings! LOL.
Sometimes I wonder if my Dad ever really understood what I was ranting about.
Alas, water under the bridge.
88 is pouring Comet on someone else's bathtub now. Oops!
JABThank goodness there are
April 25, 2007 - 19:52 ET by MightyMouthJAB
Thank goodness there are people(like you) brave enough to express what most of us were thinking, but too shy to mention. Howabout "Crow chops"? Lame I know, I will work on it.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM, I always try to remain ci
April 25, 2007 - 20:06 ET by JABMM, I always try to remain civil on here but some times the obvious needs to be pointed out, only after no one else has done so.
In regard to your nic-name, birds do not have teeth, so yea, keep working on that one. BTW, I look forward to your future suggestions :-D
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
Years ago in the "Tank M
April 25, 2007 - 19:53 ET byYears ago in the "Tank McNarmara" comic people were being chased by Mary-Lou Retton's mouth this reminded me
At least they aren't the si
April 25, 2007 - 20:07 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveAt least they aren't the size of Gary Busey's teeth! Imagine the horror...and the required toothbrush for proper care.
Thank you, thank you...I'll be here all week!
"Yeah, right! Who's the only one here that knows illegal ninja moves from the government?!" --Napoleon Dynamite
Dr. Love, I dunno, I may have
April 25, 2007 - 20:15 ET by JABDr. Love, I dunno, I may have to disagree with your comparison size. They look VERY close to me, we may need to break out the calipers to settle this difference.
LOL, thanks for the second link, that got an out loud chortle.
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
I wonder how many of us "
April 25, 2007 - 20:26 ET by Cape ConservativeI wonder how many of us "peons" abiding by her dictate of only 1 square would be required to act as carbon offsets for her entourage???
Read the Boston Herald articles for the requirements when the Crow/David trucks/buses/tractor trailers come to town...among many other MUST HAVES were sufficient parking spaces, but not in public view. Hmmmm, guess they don't want the concert attendees to see just what a carbon footprint they are making!
The "botched joke" defense
April 26, 2007 - 21:14 ET by nkviking75Ah, the ol' "botched joke" defense.
It worked so well for John Carry... uh, Kerry.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.