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'Severe Gay Rights Activist' Lisa Ling Slants Toward 'Accepting' Christians

By Matthew Balan | March 09, 2011 | 22:56

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Lisa Ling, a self-admitted "severe gay rights activist," was much tougher on Christians who hold fast to the traditional teachings against homosexual behavior on the Tuesday episode of her series on the Oprah Winfrey Network, "Our America." Ling wondered if ministering to homosexuals with this belief system "cause more harm than good." By contrast, she was sympathetic of a camp for teenage homosexuals where "they can feel accepted as both gay and Christian."

At the very beginning of her hour-long program, Ling featured the annual conference of Exodus International, an interdenominational ministry that preaches "freedom from homosexuality" for people who have same-sex attraction. As she headed into the conference, she stated that "I just want to go into this with the intention of trying to understand why people believe what they believe, and that's it." The journalist gave a similar line during a February 22, 2011 online interview, but then made the following admission:

Now, it was very difficult for me [because] some of my best friends are gay and my husband and I are both severe gay rights activists but we really just wanted to understand. What I actually found in the case of the Exodus movement is while I don’t agree with them, the Exodus of today is not actively out trying to convert people. They’re basically saying if you don’t want to live a gay lifestyle, we can help you. Quite honestly, if that’s your prerogative if you fundamentally think being gay is wrong and you don’t want to live and be who you are, that’s your prerogative. My issue is when the church or anyone condemns people over what they think the Bible says or what they believe the Bible says.

This bias came out early in the hour when Ling noted that "rumors have always surrounded them [Exodus International]: of coercion, bible-bashing, and brainwashing that leaves people psychologically damaged." It also came out when she interviewed the president of the organization, Alan Chambers:

LING: I'm sure many people have said, 'This guy's living a lie. He's denying who he really is.'

ALAN CHAMBERS, EXODUS INTERNATIONAL: I'm denying the power that those things had over me. You know, people say, 'Once you're gay, you're always gay. You can't break free from that.' That's not true. The fact of the matter is, I'm not defined by those fleeting temptations that I might or might not have. I have chosen to live my life through the filter of my faith, rather than the filter of my sexuality, and as I lived my life through the filter of my faith, my sexuality changed. That's not a lie. That's the truth.

LING (voice-over): I have to ask myself, why? Why can't Christians like Alan Chambers accept being gay? Why do they have to try so hard to change?

CHAMBERS: I didn't say homosexuality was wrong. God did. God said it was less than his best.

This skeptical/questioning attitude towards Exodus and similar ministries manifested itself again as she interviewed Ethan, an attendee of their annual conference:

Lisa Ling, Oprah Winfrey Netwrok Host | NewsBusters.orgLING: If you never get married to a woman and have a family, is celibacy- are you comfortable with that being your existence?

ETHAN, EXODUS CONFERENCE ATTENDEE: Mm-hmm. It's something that, hey, if that's what God wants me to do for the rest of my life, and if I die a single, celibate man, then so be it.

LING (voice-over): This is how far some are willing to go. They'd rather give up sex altogether and accept a lifetime of resisting temptation than be gay. But I wonder what kind of toll that choice can take. Could it cause more harm than good?

The journalist was the toughest with Janet Boynes, who founded a ministry that aims at changing the sexual orientation of homosexuals, and was once practicing an open lesbian lifestyle herself:

LING (on-camera): So, you think that people can, who are living a gay lifestyle, that they can just turn it off?

JANET BOYNES, JANET BOYNES MINISTRIES: You can. I mean, Lisa-

LING: Really, you can?

BOYNES: The only thing I can't turn off is the color of my skin. But you can change from gay to straight. Is it easy? No, but it's a process.

Ling later confronted Boynes concerning a homosexual man named Christian, who had turned to her and her ministry for help in escaping the lifestyle:

LING: Having spent a little bit of time with him, I can't really envision him with a woman. I think he's very effeminate and seems very gay, quite honestly. Do you think he can eventually get there?

BOYNES: With Christian, I think he is attracted to women. It's not natural for two women to be together, or two men. We weren't made for that. We were made to be different and multiply.

LING (voice-over): Marriage to the opposite sex and children: it seems to be what most of the people I've met so far are striving for, what the Bible tells them is natural. I can't help but wonder, is it about accepting God's will or denying who you really are?...

LING (on-camera/voice-over with footage of Christian): We just came back from hanging out with Christian. He's trying so desperately hard to repress the person that he has been for most of his life. I guess it's challenging to watch someone feel like he has to do that, because it really did feel like he's sort of tormented by it. But by the same token, he seems extremely resolute in his desire to, one day, have a wife and kids, and follow along the path that he believes God wants him to take.

During the last 20 minutes of her program, the Oprah Winfrey Network host looked at a summer camp run by Christians who find nothing wrong with homosexual behavior. It was apparent from the start that she was much more receptive to their mission:

LING (voice-over): On an island in Minnesota, a group of teenagers are starting their own journey of faith and identity, and this couldn't be more different from what I've seen so far. For one week out of every year, this island is home to a group called The Naming Project. It looks just like any other summer camp, but there's a big difference. The camp was co-founded years ago by Jay Wiesner, a gay Lutheran pastor who had his own painful experience trying to change his sexuality. For 10 years, he prayed to be straight, dated women, and even got engaged.

JAY WIESNER, THE NAMING PROJECT: It never worked, and it only made me more broken and more hurt and more confused. It was finally being able to say, 'I'm not God, and I'm not going to be able to change this,' and that's when I finally felt reconciled with myself as somebody who is gay and Christian.

LING: Jay helped create this place for kids who are trying to find that same kind of reconciliation, a place where they can feel accepted as both gay and Christian. My first glimpse takes me by surprise. The Naming Project is the first Bible camp of its kind- perhaps the first place in history- where worship sessions come after a diva contest. Almost every camper here brings a story of rejection and judgment.

Ling also tossed softball questions at Michael Bussee, who helped start Exodus International back in the 1970s and now "regrets his role in creating it":

LING (voice-over): Not far from where Exodus International held their annual conference, former founder Michael Bussee is living happily with his partner, Scott.

LING (on-camera): Some evangelicals would say that you two two are living a- living in sin and living a sinful life.

BUSSEE: I know.

LING: Does it feel like that?...

LING (voice-over): When Michael walked away from Exodus, he let go of the idea that homosexuality was sinful. He left the ex-gay ministry, but held on to his faith.

BUSSEE: There are two things that are true about me: I am gay and I am Christian. To try to deny either of those causes a split that is just unbearable. In embracing both those things, that I know and love God and I know that I'm gay, I've finally found a sense of wholeness that I never had before.

LING (on-camera): What do you think God thinks of you?

BUSSEE: I don't think God has a problem with me being gay. I believe he created me gay. I believe that God is a god of incredible diversity. It's always struck me that he didn't stop at one type of butterfly or one type of bird. There's a tremendous variety in nature, and I believe that being gay is part of that variety.

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The host actually admitted later in the online interview that she struggled to be objective in putting together the program:

How do you turn off your own judgments and prejudice on a topic so you can be completely objective?

LL: I actually am very candid with people. I do my best to be open-minded but I told everyone at Exodus…everybody knew where I stood. When we first started trying to get an interview or trying to get into an Exodus conference we got rejected multiple of times. It wasn't until I called and had a conversation with them a couple of times and I said 'Look, I can't promise anything obviously but you have to trust that I just want to understand and I'm not going to condemn you. That's all I want to do.' They trusted it enough to let us come in and I respect that.

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This ghey thing just isn't

Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 03/09/2011 - 11:02pm.

This ghey thing just isn't going away, is it?

 

 

/s

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She should wait until her new

Submitted by rbosque on Wed, 03/09/2011 - 11:19pm.

She should wait until her new Muslim overlord masters get a hold of her and her friends. Christians don't chop people's heads off.
"It may be true that you can't fool all the people all the time, but you can fool enough of them to rule a large country"......Will Durant
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So it's o.k. to be gay, but

Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 03/09/2011 - 11:22pm.

So it's o.k. to be gay, but it's NOT o.k. to believe homosexual behavior is a sin. Glad Ling has such an open mind. As far as the whole celibacy causing more harm than good, I had lots of guys tell me that while they were trying to, you know. Not one of them died from me saying no.
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my ding-a-ling

Submitted by MidAmerica on Wed, 03/09/2011 - 11:50pm.

The thing about Gays that makes this issue so tiresome is that Gays are absolutely obsessed that everyone know that they are Gay. They are like little children who demand attention. Watch me! Watch me! This self-absorption is something that has really grown in the last thirty years to where now if your not a 'flaming' homosexual you aren't living the Gay lifestyle.

If you ever get the opportunity to witness a Gay Pride Parade you will see some severely adolescent behavior such as these guys.

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I feel sorry for some Christian gays

Submitted by shawn. on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 12:15am.

I do not believe in the gay gene and I believe homosexuality is a choice not something you are born with. For homosexuals that believe in God and believe Jesus died on the cross for us, it cannot be easy for them to to suppress their feelings and urges.
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There is no such thing as a "Christian gay," shawn.

Submitted by Mike Bratton on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 5:10am.

On the other hand, I don't know of a fellow Christian who doesn't have a weak area, one where sins are more numerous and victory is more difficult to achieve. There's a difference, though. The two lifestyles, shawn, are fundamentally incompatible. One cannot be an active, unrepentant homosexual and be a Christian any more than one can be an active, unrepentant bank robber and be a Christian. --Mike
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Mike Bratton

Submitted by shawn. on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 10:26am.

I am just saying that in order to stay true to your faith, it must be extremely difficult to control your urges if you are attracted to somebody of the same sex.
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If you were in it alone, it would be difficult in the extreme...

Submitted by Mike Bratton on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 10:08am.

...to resist the urge to commit a favorite sin, regardless of the nature of that sin. But, thankfully, those of us who are Christians are not in it alone. --Mike
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What do you base your opinion on?

Submitted by Pickles and Peppers on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 5:24pm.

Or are you just falling in lockstep with the rest of the conservative platform? What do you suppose makes straight men decide to go the way of the dark side? Well I'm bored with the vagina, and even though I'm attracted to women, I'll just try out an array of penises for the sake of it.

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No Hollywood.

Submitted by shawn. on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 9:36pm.

I am saying I don't Judge a person on what gender they are attracted to, but I do not believe Ina thing called a gay gene I have consistently said it is a choice. You either like hot dog on a sick or Taco Bell. It is a choice.
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That was enlightening

Submitted by Pickles and Peppers on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 10:45pm.

What a waste.

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Are you the resident expert?

Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 10:48pm.

Are you the resident expert?
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Ok Ted

Submitted by shawn. on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 11:24pm.

Then enlighten me I am all ears
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Ears may not be nessesary

Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 11:36pm.

But hip boots are likely mandatory

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Enlighten you how?

Submitted by Pickles and Peppers on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 11:02am.

You stated a position based on your opinion but decided not to justify where the position stems from. I requested you explain yourself and you simply restated your position. That's a waste of both your time and mine.

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Yes enlighten me

Submitted by shawn. on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 11:07am.

I told you I don't believe in a gay gene and it is a choice. I do not judge what people do. You belittled my opinion, if you have anything enlightening to add, I would love to hear it.
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How about we just kick each other in the balls instead?

Submitted by Pickles and Peppers on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 11:13am.

Let's go back to basics. WHY do you believe there is no gay gene, and WHY do you believe people choose to be gay. Surely you have done some research into this. Hell, maybe you've even talked to a real gay person once and HE told you it was a choice. Much like Coke or Pepsi. Just a choice.

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You first Ted

Submitted by shawn. on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 11:16am.

Tell me about the gay gene and I will counter. I have to go to work and have not time to do any links.
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Shawn

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 11:22am.

I think pickles is flirting with you. He wants to apply pressure on your balls.
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I never defended the gay gene

Submitted by Pickles and Peppers on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 11:54am.

You brought it up as the debunking factor in deciding homosexuality. So don't go to work, stay home and own up.

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I said I do not believe in the gay gene

Submitted by shawn. on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 4:47pm.

And I believe it is a choice. You either like men or woman, this is my opinion. What is it you want me to back up?
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Cmon, Shawn...

Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 4:50pm.

if there's no Pepsi , you'd take a Coke, right?

/s

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Not sure about soft drinks sol

Submitted by shawn. on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 4:55pm.

......but when it comes to deodorant I am Arid Extra Dry. Strong enough for a man but made for a woman.
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Shawnie

Submitted by Pickles and Peppers on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 5:32pm.

I don't think anyone really believes in the gay gene. It's a provocative theory that has been shot down time and again and has yet to be proven. But here's where your position falls apart: If you say it must be difficult for a homosexual to repress his urges while remaining a Christian, how then do you decipher between an urge and a choice? Desire and Choice are quite different by definition, the former being a driving force and the latter being the ability to make decisions. In actuality they fall at different ends of the thought process spectrum. This leads me to question again, which is it? Is homosexuality a choice, or is it a suppressive urge brought on by something other than choice? Additionally, what is your explanation for bisexuals? As you stated above, you either like men or women. But both? Leads me back to the beginning - if you're attracted to women what makes you suddenly want to make the switch? Urges? Choice? Okay, enough mocking you. Let's talk about homosexuality in the animal kingdom. Endless examples of same sex mating attempts provide clues about human homosexuality, from male dolphins sticking their noses into other male parts, to snakes, toads, and fish all engaging in same sex sexual behavioral practices. Now I'm no scientist, but this points in the opposite direction of your simplified answer: choice.

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I sometimes get the urge

Submitted by shawn. on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 10:55pm.

To swear at many of the stupid simplistic liberals that post on this site. When one of my hot female clients flirt with me I have the urge to forget I am married and see what happens. I choose not to give into because of the consequences. As u can see it is a choice
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Shut up, Zippers.

Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 11:10am.

Nobody here has to explain themselves to you.

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I am glad that less than

Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 6:51am.

I am glad that less than 400,000 viewers watch OWN. Too bad that Discovery keeps pumping $$$ into this network. They are not relevant. They need to pump more into Investigation Discovery. It is fastest grwoing of their network.
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Let me Get This Right....

Submitted by GeneralAl on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 8:01am.

Let me get this right! Like it or lump it, the so-called Christian Gays claim a relationship to Jesus Christ yet refuse to turn their back on what is clearly called sin in the Bible From The Bible Gateway: Romans 1:21-28 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. We didn't say it God did! You either believe him or you don't. It kinda reminds me of classic Liberals who accept those laws which promote their causes [Can you spell Obama?] and set aside those they don't want to obey!

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GeneralAl

Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 8:15am.

Have you ever heard them give their reasoning for the destruction of Sodom and Gomrha? One told me one time it because there was no love just lust. I think the Bible uses the word eros for lust. Philia is used for the type of love between a man and his wife and brethen. IMO it is all just lust as far as homo love goes. Notice that once God strikes those at the door blind they are still trying to find the door knob. They were yet to get the message then and still don't get it today.
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nice and dumb

Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 10:32am.

She seems like a nice girl, but naively stupid.

Found this about her, apparently something she said about the 9/11 attacks:

"What happened to the United States was a catastrophic event and the worst terrorist attack in human history. Yet maybe before we seek revenge, we should ask the question – why should anyone want to make such an attack on the U.S.?"

She just answered the question in the first line "worst terrorist attack" and in the same breath asks why anyone would want to make such an attack?

It's the same people that would kill her for her activism, radical Islam doesn't allow for even the existence of gays.  She should worry more about them.

-Jon

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Lisa's New Show

Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 11:38am.

started about the same time as History Channel began a show called Only in America, with Larry the Cable Guy. Guess which one celebrates the spirit of making it in America by being innovative and having fun, and which one finds every niche weirdo and sexual deviant to portray the country? If you haven't seen it, Larry visits the home of Emily Post in Vermont, and gets "learned" about manners. It's a hoot!
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No brainer

Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 12:06pm.

It's kind of a no brainer and I'm not referring to Ling's intelligence.....directly. ;-)  She's cute, but that's about all she has going for her.

I've seen the Emily Post one, and some of the others, they had a bit of a marathon on Sunday with him.  I liked the Zambelli fireworks one, it had me cracking up, that poor lady was trying to do her job, couldn't really talk at the same time, and ol' Larry was just laughing so hard he had tears coming out.  The gator segment was funny too and listening to him "bitch" about the show was funny.

-Jon

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The Lings are not all that bright

Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 11:51am.

If you recall, it was Lisa's sister who in 2009 was arrested and sentenced to 12 years in prison by the NORKS for border incursion. The President of The World got them sprung after six months, otherwise she'd still be there manufacturing license plates for the cars that NK may have some day.
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I love asian girls, but this

Submitted by Thoreau on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 3:24pm.

I love asian girls, but this one is so crazy I can't even listen to her. This girl couldn't see a tree in a forest if it flattened her.
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Asian Women

Submitted by shawn. on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 5:02pm.

Well apparently this Chinese woman must have been pretty hot for two South Koreans in high positions to risk their jobs for a fling with her http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=13103470&sid=76
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