CNN Goes After Arizona's Gun Laws as Major Factor in Shooting
On Monday's Newsroom, CNN treated Arizona's gun laws as a significant contributor to the shootings in Tucson. Correspondent Jessica Yellin prompted the local prosecutor to spout her pro-gun control views. Anchor Brooke Baldwin highlighted a local Republican's gun-toting ad and the infamous clip of an anti-Obama protester carrying a semi-automatic rifle outside a 2009 presidential event in Arizona.
Yellin interviewed Pima County, Arizona Attorney Barbara LaWall, a Democrat (though Yellin didn't identify her as such), 15 minutes into the 3 pm Eastern hour. Midway through the segment, the correspondent raised the gun control issue. LaWall immediately replied by touting her liberal stance:
YELLIN: There's some talk about, possibly, a push for some change in the gun laws- not, it's- cracking down on ownership of guns, but, maybe, [a] different kind of background check, or the fact that he had an extended clip. Do you see any potential for changes in those things in the environment in Arizona now?
LAWALL: Through the Arizona legislature? Doubtful- I mean, we have, probably, the most liberal gun laws in the nation in this state, and I have fought continuously to get much more strict, much more stringent gun laws and background checks, and have repeatedly come up against total stoppage and block.
Twenty-two minutes later, during an interview of former Arizona Congressman Jim Kolbe (a Republican), Baldwin played clips of congressional candidate Pamela Gorman shooting a Thompson sub-machine gun and of "Chris," an pro-open carry activist who bore his AR-15 semi-automatic rifle to a rally outside an August 2009 event in Phoenix where President Obama spoke, and was featured in many anti-Tea Party segments by the mainstream media. The CNN anchor incorrectly identified the AR-15 as an "automatic rifle," and used the clips to go after Arizona's gun laws:
BALDWIN: Congressman, I want to show you two clips, and I want to get your response. So, first clip- let's roll this- this is going to be- congressional candidate Pamela Gorman- and there she is. She has a submachine gun, and that is how she ran for office. Okay, clip number two: this is an opponent of the President armed with an automatic weapon. This is outside an event in Arizona where Mr. Obama was speaking. This is August of 2009. So, Congressman Kolbe, I guess my question is, some of the rest of country may see that and they really worry about some of these images. Do you understand those worries?
KOLBE: Well, sure. I mean, I am concerned when I see that kind of thing. Nobody wants to see an automatic weapon around the President or any other candidate or any other officeholder, but- you know, that can happen in any state. I don't think it's necessarily just worse in Arizona than any other place. But, sure, I'm concerned about that. But Gabby Giffords was a strong supporter of gun rights, as I was when I was in Congress, and I think that this kind of thing can happen in any place. It's a person misusing a weapon. It's not the matter of the weapon itself. We always get that confused, I think, as somebody misusing the weapon. Look, Mexico, our state- a country right next to our state, has some of the strongest gun laws in the world, and 11,000 people died there last year in these cartel wars, gun- mostly from gun shots.
BALDWIN: So, you wouldn't agree though that- you know, the accusations that your state, that Arizona, is lenient on guns- the fact that- you know, it's one of three states which allow people to carry concealed guns without permits or any kind of training?
KOLBE: No. I don't think that's the- I don't think that's the issue at all here, and I don't think- what would changing those laws would have to do with this individual who is accused of this crime? I don't see the connection.
On Saturday's coverage of the shootings on CNN, Yellin raised how "we don't know the motive" with the shootings, but then noted how "on Twitter and Facebook, there is a lot of talk, in particular, about Sarah Palin," due to her "don't retreat- instead reload" Tweet just before ObamaCare was passed by the House of Representatives.
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CNN can go after all they
Submitted by Van Halen on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 8:44pm.
CNN can go after all they want but since their ratings suck so bad, it's a good guess that no one watches them anyway.
Stupid Liberal tools.
Interestingly...
Submitted by octavioj on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 8:47pm.
That man with the semi-automatic rifle did not fire a single round. Did they ask why?
I caught
Submitted by Martin2717 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 8:50pm.
I caught this pathetic interview with the congressman while I was at a bank and I noted to myself that this would be on NB later on. These two bimbos are a fine fit over at CNN. A fine fit.
The gun grabbers are coming out...
Submitted by Rukus on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 8:51pm.
They have been waiting for something like this. Gun control is be gonna first and foremost now, count on it. If more of the folks there were carrying this sick effer would be taking a dirt nap now. The MSM is pathetic and disgusting with all of this!
The gun-grabbers never sleep
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:01pm.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
A disarmed populace is a
Submitted by Hunter12 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:14pm.
A disarmed populace is a more-managable populace. I predict that someday they'll try to send UN forces in to claim our guns.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
again with treating us lawful gun owners for criminal action
Submitted by BackWaterTech on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:17pm.
OMG here we go again.
Uhh, it’s not illegal for someone to purchase a firearm who doesn't have a felony conviction on their record.
Uhh, it’s not illegal to purchase extended capacity magazines (or sell for that matter)
And as long as it’s in the open, it’s not illegal to openly carry said legally purchased firearm almost anywhere in this country.
The left wants these things changed and have been trying to do so since the end of WWII.
They must be very afraid of the legal owners all rising up or something. . . Like thats ever going to happen. the folks that would do so wouldn't be labled as a conservative legal firearm owner. . .
And yet i can still carry my colt out anywhere i go. (For the record, it’s ready to go in its holster if need be)
Do i take my pistol into say a bank, police station or a courthouse? Nope. Banks and court houses get a little ticky about that for obvious reasons. I have taken a hunting rifle into the police department before (checking a deer tag, oops)
Take away my guns, take away my ability to defend myself. If you make my ownership of firearms illegal, then i will deem your government illegal. . .
Irony alert
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:24pm.
I wish I could find the clip because the irony is utterly dripping off of it. I think FoxNews had it on during Special Report.
Hank -Don't Capsize Guam- Johnson, D-Ga, is essentially calling for mental capacity testing as a precursor to gun ownership.
There were other people carrying concealed weapons, CNN!
Submitted by Red Jeep on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:31pm.
At least one if not 2 of the four people who helped tackle the shooter to the ground were carrying concealed weapons too, CNN.
See the restraint they showed tackling the man instead of possibly shooting others by trying to shoot the shooter in this panicked crowd?
Too bad they didn't kill the bastard. Anyway...if they had killed the shooter how would you report that, hmmmm? Armed Citizen's Protect Congresswoman? Probably not doesn't fit your agenda/template.
concealed weapons
Submitted by Agnostic on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:54pm.
"At least one if not 2 of the four people who helped tackle the shooter to the ground were carrying concealed weapons" - this is the reason Napalitano was not on TV saying how their security system worked.
Going after churches next?
Submitted by Slyrr on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:31pm.
If 'military language' is now to be forbidden because it triggers voilence, then they're going to have to overturn the 1st amendment and ban churches.
How many songs in a church hymnal use military terms to describe the fight between the Lord and the devil as a 'battle'?
There's 'Onward Christian Soliders', 'Battle Hymn of the Republic', 'We Are All Enlisted' and 'Behold A Royal Army'.
And given the Left's anti-religious sentiments, can we doubt they'd love to use this as an excuse?
Thank God for separation of
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:35pm.
Thank God for separation of church and state.
Jer
Liberal Catch-22
Submitted by Hunter12 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:32pm.
If you want to own a gun, you must be crazy and if you're crazy, you can't own a gun. Taking away your ability to defend yourself from anything is an easy way to force you to accept any of the stupid dictates that they think will make the world a better place.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
I think it's a fallacy that
Submitted by balboa on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:39pm.
I think it's a fallacy that more gun carriers means fewer of these incidents would happen.
You are right!
Submitted by Red Jeep on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:47pm.
But more gun carriers may mean less innocent people will die.
But then again too, would you rob a bank knowing all the bank's employees were armed as well as most of the bank's customers? ...unless you were suicidal, of course.
Simple. Your accomplice
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:58pm.
Simple. Your accomplice grabs your mom out of the customer line, puts a gun to her head and says he will blow her brains out if anyone interferes while your partner bags the money. Joe Q. Hickock decides to be a hero, unholsters his Glock and then innocents start dying...
or, you hand the teller a note which says you have a bomb in your briefcase. What should the teller do?
Jer
teller should
Submitted by Agnostic on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:05pm.
do the same thing that would happen if the gun wasn't there. Some criminals won't be detered no matter the risk.
Your Joe Q. Hickock seems to be a representation of the concealled carrier that is painted by the media. How many times have you read a story about someone with a permitted concealled weapon playing Dirty Harry and compare that to the number of permits issued. You know the media would love that story if it happened.
Ahh, the criminal mind at
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:05pm.
Ahh, the criminal mind at work...
The law in Kansas cow towns
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:34pm.
The law in Kansas cow towns confiscated six-shooters from the Texas cattle drovers for a reason: whiskey and pistols were a bad mix .
Jer
As are liberals and---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:36pm.
microphones. :o) MDHi, Matthew. Happy New
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:17pm.
Hi, Matthew. Happy New Year. Sadly, it's ending on my birthday.
Jer
Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:37pm.
while there is always the wish that the year will be a good one, we unfortunately know that any number of tragedies could be lurking just beyond the next turn. I hope, though, for the best, and I thank you for and return your salutation. MDCould be Jer; I'm not
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:43pm.
Could be Jer; I'm not questioning the veracity of your previous comment, I'm just offering that I wouldn't know how to go about robbing a bank. But, if I'm ever in the market for some type of criminal enterprise, I'll PM you.
Cool, bk...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:45pm.
I'll tell you about my really neat idea for knocking over Fort Knox.
Jer
Well, don't be shy Jer, hook
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:47pm.
Well, don't be shy Jer, hook a brotha up! LOL
You got it, bk...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:59pm.
I'm depending on you for the schematics. I'll provide the brains. Unsane, the muscle.
Jer
well...
Submitted by Denny Crane on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 8:24am.
2 out a three ain't bad.
We Are The 53%
So what do I have to supply
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:15pm.
So what do I have to supply in addition to the brains? The schematics or the muscle?
Jer
I wonder if the Gold is there anymore
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:04pm.
It's probably with our social security money.
hb...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:13pm.
I think most of it is in Beck's basement. I've got a plan for that, too.
Jer
Nice
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:27pm.
Count me in.
Your job is to get him to
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:36pm.
Your job is to get him to start crying uncontrollably while I back up the truck.
Jer
Beck prolly got a gun...
Submitted by Rukus on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 8:26am.
Crying people, with a gun... bad mix.
A argument from a movie
Submitted by Unsane on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:32pm.
To Jer, the government is simply supreme and completely perfect. Even the law enforcement agencies which will take four minutes to arrive.
Simple, Jer. Stop watching movies and think for a change.
In Houston recently, a jewerly shop owner was robbed, and as the robbers were getting away, he found his gun and opened fire. As I recall, he killed at least one of them. He did society a favor and made the lives of law enforcement easier.
But then, I suppose he should have done the morally superior thing instead and turned everything over to the cops and allowed himself to be robbed.. Because as we ALL know, cops are ALWAYS there exactly when needed, and are completely infalliable, and ALWAYS get their man.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Stop "reading" things that aren't there, Unsane...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:43pm.
Good for the shop owner. I'm glad the scumbags got their asses blown away. I've never claimed that a business owner has no right to be armed, but rather has every right to defend himself and his property.
That's just a straw man argument you've concocted to discredit my position. Doesn't work.
Jer
Stop being intellectually dishonest, Jer...
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 11:52am.
But I guess that would mean you would have to stop being Jer altogether.
If anyone concocted a straw man on this thread, it is you, not I, with that stupid Hollywood fantasy you regurgitated.
I'm surprised, actually. Considering your barely veiled contempt for guns and your stated desire to punish people not for the crime they committed but rather the weapon they used to commit the crime, I figured you would be enraged that the Bullies in Blue didn't immediately arrest the shop owner for even owning a gun, much less using one.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
CHLs are not going to be a
Submitted by balboa on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:22am.
CHLs are not going to be a deterrent to someone like this guy.
True, bal---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:25am.
but the ability to prevent and odds for reducing possible collateral damage is greatly enhanced. MDSure
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 11:52am.
Sure. But if properly used, he kills one person, maybe, before he gets whacked by a good samaritan with a CHL.
Ever wonder why the Army Major who shot up Ft Hood last year did it on Ft Hood and not at, say, a popular GI hangout off post?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Jer
Submitted by well99 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:39pm.
What if she doesnt have a gun?What if a meteor lands on your house while you are painting it?What if the bridge your crossing suddenly drops.Sorry thought you were practicing for a Creative Writing class.
I know, well99... Those
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:54pm.
I know, well99...
Those fantasy scenarios I depicted are just way beyond the scope of reasonable conjecture..
Jer
Jer
Submitted by well99 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:03pm.
$hit happens.You can come up with endless scenarios for and against.Didnt one of the people who helped stop the scut have a conceal weapon.Yet he didnt use it due to all the people around?
Criminals everywhere thank you for your support, Jer.
Submitted by ckc1227 on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:28am.
If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, it's criminals. Clearly, two gun-toting bank robbers mean no harm to the folks they're robbing unless driven to it by some mean old concealed weapons permit holder. If they say they aren't going to hurt anyone, they probably mean it. I mean, it's not like two bank robbing thugs would lie or anything dishonest like that. And really, it's just your life on the line. Nothing important or anything.
Sheesh, leave it to a lib to blame the innocent for deaths caused by bank robbers, lol.
Just curious, ckc...Does it cause you any physical pain
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:44am.
when you make such a patently absurd statement?
Sheesh is right.
Jer
What'sa matter, Jer?
Submitted by ckc1227 on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:54am.
The truth hurt?
By the way, do you still beat your wife?
Do I still beat my wife?
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 1:18am.
At Scrabble...Yes The Clean and Jerk... No
By the way, are you still enrolled in a remedial reading program?
Jer
Red Jeep
Submitted by well99 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:55pm.
Something similar to this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GAgIBgOA3M Swearing warning
You betcha!
Submitted by Red Jeep on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:05pm.
Not one shot fired. Gotta watch that movie!
As is your comment. Straw man
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:49pm.
As is your comment. Straw man anyone?
There would probably be a
Submitted by MightyMouth on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:56pm.
There would probably be a short term spike in incidents. But as the 'herd thinning' continued, I think you would eventually see a decrease.
I agree, but ...
Submitted by KC Mulville on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:12pm.
My guess is that the number of these incidents has much less to do with gun ownership than it does with just the random number of whackos running around.
New York City has a lot of gun laws. Crimes with a gun happen in New York anyway.
I'm sorry, my friends, life in America just isn't safety-proofed. The more we try to make life absolutely safe, the more foolish we look to history.
You sure?
Submitted by Unsane on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:25pm.
So, bal, why isn't Switzerland ripping itself apart with violent crime? That is a country where the male population is REQUIRED by law to have guns in the home.
You think it's a fallacy because you have consistently demonstrated your failure to grasp human nature here on NB. That, and you are already biased against gun ownership.
By the way, why has crime been steadily heading down in TX ever since 1995, when CHLs were first permitted?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Thanks, Uns---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:34pm.
I was going to scroll through the remainder of the thread before coming back and replying to balboa's inane post, but you made doing so unnecessary. MDJust because you disagree
Submitted by balboa on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:24am.
Just because you disagree with something, that doesn't make it inane. I stand by what I wrote, because crazy people like this aren't going to care that more people are carrying guns. If anything, it could conceivably cause more nutjobs looking to "die by suicide" to do this.
True once again, bal---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:27am.
I just like ragging on liberals. MDJust because you can't fill out the subject line like a troll.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 11:00am.
Just because you post something and think it is not inane, that doesn't make it not inane. The fact is you are a crypto-dummy. You have not had a single lucid post the entire time I have been here. And yes, when The Vet says it, it carries the weight of Gawd his own self. So shut up with your bunny love posts.
The only reason you are tolerated at all is because people need a clown to laugh at. Go back to having your butt all hurt because NB changed the format and you got confused and quit posting for 6 months. It was a happier much more lively time at NewsBusters.
Waaahhhhh. MD called my post inane. Waaaaahhhh
Think before you type
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:01pm.
Care to explain TX since 1995?
You may remember, Bal, that a Luby's cafeteria in Killeen was shot up by the local loony-tune in October 1991. I remember it well. That incident shook TX. Amazingly, for some odd reason, if what you say is true, TX should have an incident like that once a week for all the CHL holders in the state. Yet that is not the case.
Even better - why is there no issue with mass shootings and nutjobs looking to "die by suicide" in AK? Take a look at their "gun laws". AK makes TX look like NY or IL, as lax as AK "gun laws" are.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
One Simple Question Balboa
Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 9:37am.
What is the violent crime rate involving firearms in cities with restrictive gun laws (i.e. LA, Chicago, Detroit, DC, etc.) as compared to cities with (relatively) lax gun laws? I'll be interested to see how your "fallacy" fits into these results.
Just got back from Oz. They
Submitted by kangaroo on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:58pm.
Just got back from Oz. They took everyones guns away about 15 years or so ago. Now the crims have them, people are still gettin robbed and shot . More now than when the people had guns. By who you ask? The crims of course.
What happened to the USA takin all the bullets away to avoid takin the guns? You know that loop hole thingy. All bullcrap no action. Just sayin.
Anyway, in a sports store today. Shelves loaded with ammo again. You lot know it was scarce awhile ago. Better get back there and load up again.
"When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot in it and hang on"--Thomas Jefferson
Kitchen Cutlery and Chainsaws
Submitted by Kenyon Schraeder on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:05pm.
Perhaps the overly concerned anti-gunners might want to think about why anyone with no age considerations or background checks, can walk into a department store and buy a full set of kitchen knives in a box or even one kitchen knife on a card, take them home, select the longest and baddest of the set if necessary, and walk out the door to wreak havoc on unsuspecting strangers or family members or friends.
When was the last time anyone filled out government forms and waited 10 days to buy a chainsaw? Think about the horrific carnage that one person swinging a gassed up chainsaw could do to unsuspecting people. Try putting your hands up in defense against that onslaught.
The problem has never been with guns. Or with kitchen knives. Or with chainsaws. It has always, however, been with people. Cain slew Able with a freakin' rock long before there were firearms and so the precedent was set for all of humanity to follow. Last time I checked, anyone, even criminals, can own and carry around a rock.
A mentally unstable individual will use any means to carry out his or her delusions or twisted fantasies if that is what he or she is bent upon doing. Shall we all now be made to pass a psychological exam as well?
Ironically, the fundamentalist extremists never use firearms as there simply isn't enough resulting blood, gore and damage to make a statement. So, they prefer bombs and taking down airplanes. In their twisted minds, it's the economy of scale.
See the problem with being anti-gun?
...And then there is the car problem
Submitted by Red Jeep on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:23pm.
No waiting period on cars. Buy one. Put a bomb in it. Park it in a parking lot where a politician will be holding a Town Hall, and bam, mass murder. Happens overseas a lot I hear.
I was just thinking about
Submitted by kangaroo on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:25pm.
I was just thinking about that article about Ashton Kutcher (can't spell that, don't care) A lib elite! para phrase 'power went out for 14 hours and I grabed my guns' flippin hipocrit. How many lib mongral ban all guns now advocates have stashed ammo and guns in their closet. nuff said thats why its not law right now and won't be. just guessin
"When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot in it and hang on"--Thomas Jefferson
sh
Submitted by Red Bill on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:02pm.
I would even protect Jer with my hand gun if given the chance. I thinkThat's encouraging, Red Bill...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:11pm.
But I need a firm commitment.
Jer
I would even protect Jer with my hand gun
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:28pm.
As would I.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
You da man, Dave.
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:40pm.
By the way, I'm freezing.
Jer
Get a Room, You Two
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:52pm.
Although you'd probably have to take Marta.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
I think the Pima Co Sheriff
Submitted by Red Bill on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:10pm.
I think the Pima Co Sheriff has some splaining to do.....he seems to be deflecting attention away from how his system missed this kid.
I'd heard it
Submitted by UpNorth on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:21pm.
mentioned that the guy had had contacts with the sheriff's office, but they never ended up as part of any permanent record, criminal, health or civil. If he was as whacked out as a classmate posted and others have said, where's the records? If he committed crimes, where's the record?
Maybe the sheriff should look into how his department conducted itself, in regards to Loughner, and not speculate on things that he couldn't possibly know.
First, this Jerod is nuts and obviously should not have been
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:17pm.
allowed to own a gun and the system in Tucson failed.
But on the abuse the libs are perpetrating:
A school chum of this sicko, named Parker, knew him in high school and in college.
Guess what, he was a left wing liberal.
So what should we conclude?
Cricket time.
Yes, he was a left wing liberal...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:30pm.
"was" being the operative word.
That was back during his somewhat more lucid days, before he totally morphed into an anti-government nutjob.
Jer
Indeed he is just a nut.
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:40pm.
So why are ALL the msm running ads about Palen et al?
Why Palin?
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:44pm.
Target of opportunity.
Jer
Translation
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:54pm.
Smearing and defaming needs no basis in fact?
None or very little.
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:57pm.
That's what makes it smearing and defaming.
Jer
So you are saying in order to defame
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:12am.
you must be stating something that's not true?
Wouldn't hurting someone's public personna be a defamation regardless of the validity of the statement?
hb...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:19am.
1. Well, truth would be an absolute defense. Although defamation may contain elements of fact if presented to create a false impression or put someone in a false lilght. But very difficult to prove when victim is a public figure
2. No.
Jer
Translation (DOUBLE SUBMIT)
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:13am.
What ever happened to honor?
Honor?...It
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:32am.
Went with the Wind.
Jer
Jer loses a point
Submitted by Denny Crane on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 8:33am.
for Punishing us with Puns.
We Are The 53%
That was back during his somewhat more lucid days
Submitted by ckc1227 on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:31am.
It was? That's news to his friends at the time.
CNN has ZERO credibility
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:23pm.
CNN has ZERO credibility covering this issue.
Jessica Yellin is the one who, the other day, intoned (paraphrasing) The police do not have a motive in this shooting.
Then, in the next breath, she went on.... (again, paraphrasing)...BUT messages on Facebook and Twitter blame Sarah Palin, and the Tea Party, and .......
The old people are saying ruse...how original.
10:30 PM Rush Limbaugh's fault per Sheriff on Drudge
Submitted by Red Jeep on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:33pm.
Links to "Arizona Sheriff Blasts Rush Limbaugh for Spewing 'Irresponsible' Vitriol"
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/arizona-sheriff-blasts-rush-limbaugh-spewing-irresponsible-vitriol/story?id=12583285
Sheriff keeps digging hole deeper.
Fudge. My fault. I have been missing a lot lately.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:38pm.
Been busy. Meatspace interfering. Blah. Blah. Blah.
Has anyone seen, amidst the blaming on Republicans, Conservatives, Gun Owners, Gun Laws, Right Wing Radio, Sarah Palin, amidst all the blaming, has anyone seen any discussion whatsover on the problem below ----
Recognizing and dealing with the prodromal signs of schizophrenia before it gets to the late stage killing spree.
Yea, just me. stupid, laying the blame where it belongs. Whatever.
We need someone from Arizona on this, Vet
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:46pm.
Here in Florida, we have the "Baker Act", whereby a person can be involuntarily committed for evaluation.
From what little I've read about this guy's background, he obviously showed signs of being dangerous, to himself and others.
The 50 year old classmate who was so worried about this guy that she sat next to the door is indicative, as was the teacher of the class. What about the Sheriff's department (does Tuscon have local cops and a County Sheriff, or is law enforcement there strictly a Sheriff function?). This Lumpkin dude is pretty quick to point the finger at Palin & other conservatives, methinks he might be protesting a wee bit too much, if you get my drift.
Anyone from AZ who can answer these questioins?
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Have you seen his mug shot?
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:50pm.
I hate to judge a person by his looks, but if I were to do so in Loughner's case I would immediately throw him under the jail for life.
Jer
C'mon, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:04am.
He doesn't look all that much like a liberal. ;o) MDScore half a point for
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:09am.
Score half a point for Matthew. [And I'm being generous.]
Jer
However, MD,
Submitted by 26CX on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:09am.
Uncle Fester comes to mind...
You know... You're
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:11am.
You know...
You're right.
Jer
He shaved his eyebrows.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:16am.
Nonshaved eyebrows here. Along with this -
In another paranoid rant, the suspect wrote: "Reading the second United States Constitution, I can't trust the current government because of the ratifications; The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling the grammar."
Controlling the grammar? Now who controls the grammar in this country? 7th grade English teachers.
And who teaches 7th grade English that we know of?
That's right.
Jason-friggin-C.
friggin hilarious, Vet.
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:24am.
:-)
Jer
The judicious use of firearms
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:41pm.
Part of the hurricane kit? A firearm. Stops the looters very short when there's a note spraypainted on the shutters: Looters: I have a gun.
I hate to bring up yet another shooting tragedy, but what would have happened at VT had there been someone on campus, armed as the by-standers on Saturday were?
There have been lunatics going back to time immemorial. In a free society like ours, it's impossible to anticipate the action(s) of crazy people.
I think the democrats and Reno V.2.0 ought to focus on stopping (wow, like they've got such a record of this) terrorists and Times Square bombers (yet another lunatic) instead of feeling us up and trying to figure out a way to make United States citizens, with all the rights pertaining thereto, into the enemy (in the words of our supposed President).
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Or, for those of us
Submitted by UpNorth on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:52pm.
in climes not accustomed to hurricanes, I posted a sign on my window by the front door, "Forget the dog, beware the owner" with a picture of a Sig .40cal.
And you're absolutely right, Blonde, there have been whack-jobs since Cain slew Abel. And, last time I checked, no one can, yet, be locked up for one's thoughts.
And, I passed my two year anniversary on NB 10 hours ago. Whoot!!!
Two years, UpNorth---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:02am.
is too cool!
Blonde was asking about Tucson's law enforcement setup; when I was stationed there in the military, the City of Tucson was served by the Tucson Police Department, and the environs outside the city limits was covered by the Pima County Sheriff's Department.
MD
That's the usual
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:51am.
way things are done in most areas of the country, MD. I think the South is unique, along with a few areas up Maryland and Virginia way, among others, in having the Sheriff's department do all of the policing. Or, "Metro Police Departments" who do the same.
Although, I can see more of that coming with the talk of "consolidation" and more bang for the buck. If you really need a LEO, who cares what it says on the side of the police car that shows up at your door?
Happy NB B'day, UpNorth!
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:09am.
Thanks for the info.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out with the eyebrowless creep's law enforcement history (h/t to the Vet for that astute observation).
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
"And, last time I checked, no
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:12am.
Physicians can have you "pink slipped" - placed in a locked down mental facility temporarily for evaluation - because of your thoughts.
---------------
Congrats on your NB birthday!
My bad, strat,
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:33am.
and I should know better, as I participated in a lot of involuntary commitments in my past career. Typed before I thought. Absolutely hated them, saw two good officer's careers ended fighting with the subject of an involuntary commitment.
But, in Michigan, it has to be done with a petition to a probate court, by someone known to the person, and willing to testify that the person is a "potential" threat to themselves or another person. Or, that was the law back in the day.
And,thanks for the congrats.
You are correct, UpNorth,
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 1:17am.
You are correct, UpNorth, that the power to pink slip resides with the courts, at least in my state (Ohio).
I had a discussion about this with an law enforcement officer last September. He echoed your thoughts for these types of calls. Sorry to hear about your buddies.
I have only been involved in one "pink slip" situation and it was while in training. They seem to be very rare occurences. In my experience, most people either volunarily admit themselves or are admitted after a suicide attempt/gesture while still under the effect of alcohol/drugs thereby making the case for admission/evaluation without involvement of the legal system.
CNN failed to identify the
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:07am.
CNN failed to identify the defense attorney as a Democrat?!!! Oh, the horror; the unforgivable bias...the "what the heck difference does it make"? utter silliness of it.
Jer
You are just mad.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:36am.
You are just mad about the description they put below your forlorn mug the one time you were on CNN.
Uncle Jer : brain rattled after too many rides on the roller coaster.
I did not like the description of me in the same segment.
The Vet: immature, self-centered, thoughtless twit.
Last time we go on with matthewdean and let him conduct the pre-interview while we get coffee and donuts.
The crawl beneath his smug mug -
Matthewdean: Magnanimous Generous & Oddly Noble WonderSoul.
Vet---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:41am.
and I thought that crawl up by myself. ;o) Haw !! MDHey CNN....
Submitted by Ashrak on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:47am.
There can be, check that - has been- fifty (50) shootings over the course of one (1) weekend here in Illinois, Chicagoland specifically, and it barely makes a news cycle of coverage while carrying a gun here is illegal 100%. No concealed carry, no open open carry, no permit, no nothing. ( When will we be required to report to the state and ask permission and then pay for our permits to pray, speak and write?)
I see no national "journalists" making this point on any talking head show, much less just CNN. Why is that? Where are the journalists in New Media on this point?
Heck, last summer, more people died in Chicago from shootings that soldiers in Iraq. Why doesn't that get the gun grabber routine on the talk show circuit? Oh wait, they have already grabbed them all and they don't want to admit that Illinois shows how badly their argument fall asunder. They fear the EPIC FAIL of it all so they just ignore it and pretend it isn't reality here. I understand why the journolisters run and hide, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why the new media doesn't let 'em have it where Illinois circumstances is concerned.
I do know this, right here on this very site I had a particular author chide me, tell me to lighten up, for trying to make this serious point prior to the events in Arizona.
On the "Tell The Truth" front, I ask honestly that as the grabbers tout Arizona, how about the Second Amendment defenders tout Illinois to dispel those trite and striken gun banning arguments. The "interest balancing approach" that they seek to reimpose has already been dismissed by even the Supreme Court. It is a nonstarter. Heller and McDonald are powerful tools to use on this front, both in decision and dissent.
The First Amendment is being defended in terms of the "crosshairs" and speech factors and as "The Second Amendment is no different" (Heller), it is owed the same defense.
We are literally left defenseless intentionally by the state legislature here in Illinois as we have been totally stripped of our right to "carry firearms in case of confrontation" and I solemnly ask for my fellow Americans to help us regain out lost Liberty.
Please, help us.
Isn't it amazing how the
Submitted by mostlymoderate on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:50am.
Isn't it amazing how the mainstream media are capable of not only attacking the 1st Amendment but the 2nd Amendment at the very same time. Palin should NOT be able to speak and people should NOT be able to carry guns.
Ah, but we gotta buy health insurance!!!
How can they see what is NOT in the Constitution but fail to see what IS in the Constitution? Are they even reading the same document?????
Infamous semi-auto carrying Obama protester
Submitted by redandgearhead on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:57am.
Did they show the edit pic of the semi-auto carrying picture of the Obama protester so it obscured the fact the protester was black?
Chicago: 448 homicides in
Submitted by Cowboy on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 1:11am.
Chicago: 448 homicides in 2010
Guns are banned
Like the left with their porn - 'We just can't help ourselves'
Submitted by Slyrr on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 1:38am.
Gun control - sigh. This tired old saw - again. Seems ever since the 2nd amendment was written there have been fruity limp-wristed wimps out there wanting to get rid of it under the false presumption that if only guns were illegal, then all crime, anger, violence and human tragedy would cease.
How wrong they are.
If crazy, evil people can't get guns, they'll use bows and arrows. If they couldn't get bows and arrows, they'd get swords. If they can't find a sword, they'll get a knife. If they can't get a knife, they'll get a club. If they can't find a club, they'll grab a rock. If all else fails, they'll use their bare hands.
Because the simple fact is, when someone gets the idea into their head that they're somehow justified in taking things from other people - or hurting them - they'll use whatever tools they can lay their mitts on to do it.
The lefties and Democrats think the answer is to ban anything that anyone might use as a weapon. News flash - someone who's got his heart set on violence will use anything as a weapons - even their fists.
How are you gonna stop it, libs? Ban everything? Then lock everyone up in their own individual bubble-wrapped rooms and spoon feed them from cradle to grave?
Welcome to the matrix.
And on a side note to you
Submitted by Slyrr on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 1:42am.
And on a side note to you libs, leftists and statists: what will you do if people decide not to go along with your rose-tinted hippie bong-induced fantasies of a world where everyone frolics in flowery glades dancing around a maypole?
What happens when you go up to gun owners and they use the old line, 'you can have my gun when you pry it outta my cold, dead hand' - then what will you do?
Will you say, 'If you don't stop your violent behavior, we'll kill you'?
Yeah. That'll show the world how enlightened you are.
How many people do you figure Loughner
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 1:54am.
would have taken out with a rock instead of a 33-round Glock, tough guy?
Jer
Well, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:25am.
that probably depends on the makeup of the crowd. Regardless, Slyrr is on the right side of this one. MDBullsh!t...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:28am.
My fantasies are not bong induced.
Jer
→ I believe it Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:36am.
A bong is unnecessary paraphernalia. Really hard to get rid of in a tight spot.
That's why mine were
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:41am.
That's why mine were edible.
Jer
By the way, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:37am.
Serious--as opposed to wiseass--question:
Why didn't one of the concealed and carry guys draw his weapon and fire at Loughner? I thought that was one of the principal pillars of the NRA position--the ability to take out the perpetrator in a potential mass murder scenario...Virginia Tech for example.
Jer
Excellent question, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 3:07am.
If we were to assume a "crowd" situation, there is just too big a chance that a round meant for the perpetrator could: (1) Miss the perp entirely and kill or wound an innocent (2) Hit the perpetrator and continue on through and strike another body, killing or wounding (3) The very fact that because it is a crowd situation, it may well be difficult to get a clear shot at any time during the scenario (4) Again, the numbers of potential victims, whether from the assailants bullets or the rounds fired by the would be saviours, is daunting. Law enforcement trains, and trains, and then trains some more, but there just are no guarantees. Most training scenarios are based on past real life shootings, but that doesn't necessarily mean that every, or even any, future life and death situation can be chalk-boarded with any measure of potential success when put into actual operation. I don't have to tell you that real life shooting never has the results that Mel Gibson did in "Lethal Weapon". Shooting for qualification at the range is one thing; targets at the range do not have the potential of returning fire. The required training I received every trimester incorporated what I thought was all possible real life situations; but even if it had, training only prepares you for a confrontation, and while the "good result" odds are upped by virtue of that training, said training guarantees nothing in the way of accuracy for each each and every round every time one leaves your weapon. Having the ability to take out the perpetrator is one thing; having a situation at hand that meets all the necessary requirements for being able to safely and successfully do so, is another. MDThanks, Matthew..
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 3:16am.
Good points. Appreciate your taking the time to post them.
One more quick question--and it may be tomorrow before I can check on a response--what are your thoughts on the accessibility of 33-round magazines for handguns? That provides an awful lot of sustained firepower to someone with bad intentions.
Jer
Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 3:51am.
I see absolutely no viable reason (outside of military and law enforcement use) for magazines having a 30 plus round capacity. That said, making and passing a law that says only the military and law enforcement are legally allowed to store, possess, or use magazines that hold 30+ cartridges, would in all likelihood keep them out of the hands of crooks and kooks about as well as drunk driving laws stop inebriated souls from getting behind the wheel of a vehicle. As has been said many times, gun (and accessory)regulations only affect law abiding citizens. Regarding the ongoing discussions, disagreements, and sometimes downright derangement over guns --- To paraphrase your answer to another poster on a different subject on another thread, "There might not be an answer". Weapons are like fire; a wonderful servant, but a fearful master. MDMags
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:16pm.
Jer, magazines are compact to begin with. For just a bit of coin I can augment my 15 round clips with additional ones, no problem, just up the highway. My two clips already allow me to carry 30 total rounds. All I need to do is to add to that. The only difference is being able to load the magazines in rapid succession, which isn't that difficult to do.
What would banning 33 round mags do, in essence? Not a damn thing, IMHO. Again, well said by md, just thought I'd add some of my own words.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Thanks for the info, Unsane...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:23pm.
as well as for managing to reply to a post of mine without once calling me or my comment "stupid". ;-)
Jer
MD
Submitted by Denny Crane on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 8:42am.
That was perfectly said.
Happy new year my friend.
We Are The 53%
I like md's response. Just thought I'd add my own
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:10pm.
When I took my CHL course, I was taught, repeatedly, you have to THINK about the situation you are in. Consider such things as where the bullets might go if you miss. Consider how many people are next to you. Consider if the bad guy misses and hits someone else.
If I were there and had been in that circumstance, with a gun and my CHL., I wouldn't know how to react. Couldn't tell you, I wasn't there.
By the way, how come an incident like the Luby's cafeteria massacre in Killeen, TX (1991) hasn't happened in TX since 1995, when the first CHLs were issued?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Another addition to Unsane's comment
Submitted by Denny Crane on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 9:02pm.
When I was first learning to shoot a gun. 22 lever action I believe. My father was very strict about it. We spent over an hour talking and studying backdrops, and talking about where the bullet goes after it goes through the target. How far it can go if it doesn't encounter anything. He made me study maps of what is in the path for miles in the general direction of where we were shooting.
We Are The 53%
First off, it was a Democrat
Submitted by Ashrak on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 1:01pm.
First off, it was a Democrat based gathering and, well, gun control folks tend to be mostly, but not all, on that side of the aisle.
But nore to your question, one of the fellas that held the shooter down was carrying a firearm. He spoke directly to the question you asked. He said that it wasn't his place to take his life when another measure was successful.
He could have shot him dead right then and there, he was carrying that moment. But see, he didn't. And that is because those of us defend the right to carry in case of confrontation do not aim to go wild wild west as painted. We do not aim to shoot blindly into a crowd and we do not shot first and ask questions later.
Ask yourself, why didn;t you know about this? Find your answer ina biased media that isn't interested in telling the truth when it doesn't suit the leftist anti gun and anti Second Amendment agenda.
Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:37am.
If you were at Woodstock, somehow I missed you. Could have been because I wasn't there either. MD*
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 1:52am.
*
doesn't sound like life to me
Submitted by BackWaterTech on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 3:05am.
lefties,
come take our guns, our sabres, our carbon burning cars. Come take our diesel tractors our chain saws, our lawn mowers.
Dont forget to take our TV's and computers, and cell phones.
And when the wolf pulls himself(herself) from out of under the sheep's clothing when he(she) realizes he(she) controlls one of the largest armies in the world full of brainwashed brownshirts, come to us, conservatives, and ask for our help.
you wont get it because you took the tools away from us to do so.
And the wolf will eat you first becuase you will be the biggest threat!
Sorry for the confusion, BWT,
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 3:27am.
Sorry for the confusion, BWT, but I've become a bit entangled in your thicket of metaphors. Who is the wolf and which sheep will be eaten and why? And what will the brownshirts be doing during the buffet?
Jer
sorry im a history buff.
Submitted by BackWaterTech on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 5:38pm.
The loss of freedoms gives rise to oppressive governments in a real hurry.
Look at the history books.
The metaphors were a nice touch, though.
There was once a dirty little man by the name of Hitler. . .
Germany at the time Hitler came to power was stripped of more than just her Pride by the other nations of Europe for the supposed loss in WWI (one must concede that Germany in fact won as her troops were all on foreign soils at the end)
The individual citizens were stripped of thier firearms as well as the German army,
In this mix of racism, hatred and economic ruin add a maniac with an agenda. (Not much unlike the US today)
First thing Hitler does after getting absolute power in 1934? Rounds up anyone he felt could oppose him politically and has his personal army, the SS kill them.
Brown-shirt metaphor wasn’t a metaphor. That’s what the German Army called the SS before they became Hitler's Personal Army.
And yet, no one in the main stream media will ever report such historical facts. Why?
No need to apolgize, BWT...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 5:58pm.
I am too. In fact my undergraduate degree is in American History, but I've read fairly extensively with regard to the period between the wars and the rise of Hitler during the 1920's and 30's. Be happy to discuss it with you sometime.
Jer
Recommendation
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 10:44pm.
Richard Evans. The Coming of the Third Reich, The Third Reich in Power, The Third Reich at War.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Thanks, Unsane... But if I
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 10:52pm.
Thanks, Unsane...
But if I take on all of these reading assignments you've given me recently, there won't be any time left for me to come here and trade insults with you. ;-)
Jer
LOL some good reading
Submitted by BackWaterTech on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 4:22am.
The reason i get so fired up over this governmental population control crap seriously comes from the fact that both of my grand fathers proudly fought the germans durring WW II and both of them were sons of german immagrants.
They served in the air forces, one as a bomber crew and the other as a night fighter pilot.
they both were proud to help end the threat to the world by the National Socialist party (Nazi) that was in power in Germany.
And so far the past 15 years we have been continually insulted (assulted) by lefties pushing that very same agenda on us Americans.
I Like to (and really enjoy) pointing out those programs that are very Nazi-like but there are so few people that know what the Nazi's even were. It makes me sad.
Sometime we can swap history, Jer. I apriciate logical banter and conversation as i get few of that out here in BFE. LOL
I don't think your "trolling." you ask us to think about our ideals. . . then explain them. this is a really good thing.
That's quite a legacy, BWT.
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 4:42am.
That's quite a legacy, BWT. I trust they both survived. I know the 8th in the European theatre suffered significant losses during the first 2-3 years until the P-51 was able to provide fighter cover all the way to target.
My dad was drafted but remained stateside with a hardship status [widowed father] until thrown directly into the front lines when the Germans counterattacked in the Ardennes in December of 1944. The combat veterans didn't even learn their names--or want to--because they knew most of them would be wiped out. Fortunately my dad was one of the ones who wasn't.
Anyway, gotta run. We'll talk later.
Jer
When Patty "Sneakers" Murary
Submitted by malthus on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:29am.
When Patty "Sneakers" Murray took a tour north of Seattle her bodyguards were evident. Was the good Congresswoman traveling solo? And why? Or did her escort miss the signs and behavior because of poor training and lack of situational awareness? Who was responsible for security at this gathering.... was it Screaming Sheriff Dupnic?? He knew about the death threats, why did he not plan and act accordingly? Is he simply covering his own malfeasance? Is he even an American citizen?
I don't know how fast this mental defective pulled the trigger..
Submitted by Army Brat on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:38am.
However, if someone started shooting people at a public gathering here in Alaska, he would have been shot down almost immediately. The biggest danger would be getting hit by a stray as people from all around him cut him down.
There is no permit needed to carry concealed in Alaska and we have an open carry law as well. That law has been around for years.
When the idea was floated that Alaskans might be trusted to carry a gun on them,the left cried out that there would be blood in the streets. That milepost had been passed long ago The only differnce now was that the average citizen could carry a gun as easily as the criminal.
No bloodbaths. Robberies went down. Everyone carries and the lowlifes know it.
An armed society is a polite society, but it's more than that. It's a secure society. I love the idea that most of the people I see around me as I shop and work are armed. When I hear the gunfire coming from my neighbors homes here in the woods, it makes me glad to know my neighbors are armed and practice as much as I do.
Though nearly all of our Liberal friends here would see us all disarmed and defenseless, I would trust those that argue here for the Lliberal point of view to carry a gun. I can be fairly certain from the vast majority of posts that they are not insane or filled with rage to the point of being insane. I doan bleeb we would ever read about a Liberal poster here killing a bunch of people.
I can say this because I trust the American Citizen in general. Considering the nuimber of guns around and the fact that a highly visible lunatic like this failed to get help...you know there are others out there just as crackers...it's astounding that there are not more incidents of this kind.
I'm not a prayin' knida guy, but the victims of this lost, demented...they have my prayers and best wishes.
Food for thought...
Doctors
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171
Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Now think about this:
Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000 (Yes, that is 80 million)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188 - Statistics courtesy of the FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners as far as accident are concerned...
What if a physician
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:50am.
What if a physician accidentally shoots and kills a patient? Is it counted twice?
Never mind. It's late and I'm bored.
Jer
1 times 1
Submitted by Denny Crane on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 8:47am.
equals 1.
BTW I'm bored 2.
Thanks for the laughs on dis thread.
Happy new year my liberal friend. Next year this time we will change that to "my conservative friend"
We Are The 53%
You never know. I'm well
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:28pm.
You never know. I'm well past the age when I was supposed to become a conservative. Still all heart and no head.
Jer
Wow Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:46pm.
I am impressed Jer. Objective and accurate self analysis..Sorry Jer but you left the door open..;-)
So, cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:58pm.
you're saying I'm finally getting head? [Oops...scratch that.]
Jer
My MY Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 8:29pm.
That one was disappointing. Back to 4th degree accord of A and F and back to being "pointless".cajun :-(
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 8:54pm.
<Sigh!> I guess I just can't handle success. Hopefully, I can earn my way back.
Jer
Jer, scratch what?
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 10:57pm.
Liberals - just never can get Clinton out of their head.
C2, Jer may be a lib in a lot of areas...
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 10:51pm.
...but he has bigger stones than most conservatives I know.
You cannot help but respect that.
Besides, he's a much nicer guy than am I. :-)
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Army Brat -
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 6:24pm.
You have no idea how bent I am that i found out about AK's gun "laws" (I say that affectionately) long after I left Anchorage.
:o)
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Have you seen the video of the guy who paid to be shot?
Submitted by Army Brat on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 7:10am.
He went to a tattoo artist and arranged to be shot with a...I believe it was a .38 loaded with a plus P round, and a hollow point to boot.
Seems he had run in to a guy who had been shot with that round and he liked the scar it left. He sat in a chair whilst the tattoo guy pulled a gun from a tool chest, loaded it and shot the idiot in the shoulder. The round exited through the shoulder blade, (scapula) and stopped in the sandbag behind him.
An ambulance was standing by and the disgust and contempt for this guy was quite evident as they loaded him up and drove off.
Not a physician and not an accident but...thought provoking. Thoughts like, how stupid can you get...stuff like that.
unbelievable
Submitted by Patriot II on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 11:41am.
what comes out of these nazi bastards mouthes!!!