AP: 'Unsettling' Conservative Catholics 'Aim to Purge Dissenters'
In a Monday article, Rachel Zoll of the Associated Press played up the efforts of Catholic "theological conservatives" online who "say the church isn't Catholic enough" and are "unsettling the church." Zoll even quoted from a Vatican analyst for a heterodox Catholic publication who dubbed the phenomenon "Taliban Catholicism," with the slight caveat that "liberals can fit the mindset too." The writer, however, focused most of her attention on the conservatives.
Zoll, who berated conservative Southern Baptists as "vicious" zealots embarked on trying to "wipe out" every last liberal or moderate from their church in a January 29, 2008 article, wasted little time in her latest article, "Catholic bloggers aim to purge dissenters," in zeroing-in on her conservative targets: "Pressure is on to change the Roman Catholic Church in America, but it's not coming from the usual liberal suspects. A new breed of theological conservatives has taken to blogs and YouTube to say the church isn't Catholic enough. Enraged by dissent that they believe has gone unchecked for decades, and unafraid to say so in the starkest language, these activists are naming names and unsettling the church."
After listing some of the campaigns that these "theological conservatives" are involved in (such as "combing through campaign finance records to expose staff of Catholic agencies who donate to politicians who support abortion rights"), the AP writer dropped her "Taliban" reference: "John Allen, Vatican analyst for the National Catholic Reporter, has dubbed this trend 'Taliban Catholicism.' But he says it's not a strictly conservative phenomenon - liberals can fit the mindset, too, Allen says. Some left-leaning Catholics are outraged by any exercise of church authority. Yet on the Internet and in the church, conservatives are having the bigger impact."
Zoll would go on to use the "conservative" or "conservatives" term six more times (for a total of nine times in her article), compared to three times for "liberal" or "liberals," and once for "left." But the writer also devoted much more space to the efforts of the "theological conservatives," spending 19 out of 23 of the following paragraphs to specific effort of these activists, while only making passing references to their more heterodox opponents. The writer devoted about a third of those 19 paragraphs on the conservatives to just two individuals: Michael Voris of RealCatholicTV and Thomas Peters of American Papist blog:
Among Voris' many media ventures is the CIA - the Catholic Investigative Agency - a program from RealCatholicTV to "bring to light the dark deeds of evil Catholics-in-name-only, who are hijacking the Church for their own ends, not the ends of Christ."
In an episode called "Catholic Tea Party," Voris said: "Catholics need to be aware and studied and knowledgeable enough about the faith to recognize a heretical nun or a traitorous priest or bishop when they see one - not so they can vote them out of office, but so they can pray for them, one, and alert as many other Catholics as possible to their treachery, two."
....Thomas Peters, who runs the popular "AmericanPapist" blog, said fellow orthodox Catholics have embraced the Web because they feel they finally have a platform that can compete with well-established liberal Catholic publications, such as the National Catholic Reporter. (Some conservative bloggers call the paper "the National Catholic Destroyer.")
Peters, 25, considers himself on the more positive side of the orthodox Catholic blogosphere, although some targets of his commentary disagree.
He condemns the vitriol he sees online, and promotes a blog feature called "bishops with backbone," in praise of church leaders who rein in dissenters. He also added an online function to send thank you notes when leaders take tough stands, recently generating 500 letters in one day for Archbishop John Nienstedt of St. Paul and Minneapolis who refused Holy Communion to gay rights protesters at a recent Mass.
"All of these things that we say in public are meant for the best good of the church," said Peters. He began his blog several years ago and now works for the American Principles Project, a conservative advocacy group founded by Princeton University scholar Robert George....
"There's a general sense among many faithful Catholics that no matter how much they write their bishops, no matter how much they go to the pastors, all of these unfaithful things keep getting taught," Voris said. "I think enough Catholics are saying, 'That's it. I've had it.'"
Later in her article, Zoll tried to tie the efforts of the "theological conservatives" to trends inside the wider Catholic Church, and even to domestic politics:
The rise in lay conservative fervor comes at a time when the need for activism would seem less urgent. The U.S. hierarchy has seen a wave of retirements in recent years that has swept out leading liberals. The men taking their place are generally more traditional and willing to take a harder line against disobedient Catholics, from politicians to parishioners.
But even with these changes, bloggers say too few prelates speak out. The activists also say that since the 1970s, after the modernizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council, liberals have filled the bureaucracy of the church, hiding dissent from the bishops they serve....
Critics of the bloggers contend the activists are motivated mostly by politics, not theology. The blogs feature nearly as many attacks on President Barack Obama as church leaders. [Carol] McKinley's site, until recently, was called "Throwthebumsoutin2010," in anticipation of the midterm elections.
The late Saul Alinsky, the father of modern community organizing, is also a common topic on the conservative Catholic blogs. Activists complain that many groups that receive grants from the Catholic Campaign for Human Development use the tactics of Alinsky, a hero of the political left and a preoccupation of the political right since the 2008 election. When Obama was a community organizer in Chicago, he worked with people trained by Alinsky.
However, the conservative Catholic activists insist their faith, especially church teaching on abortion, inspires all their work.
Despite all of her attention on specific conservatives, the AP writer did not name any of the "critics of the bloggers" or any of the "left-leaning Catholics [who] are outraged by any exercise of church authority."
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What?!! The Catholic Church
Submitted by MidAmerica on Mon, 10/25/2010 - 6:41pm.
What?!! The Catholic Church doesn't have the same right to control its members as NPR does?
Of course, it doesn't!
Submitted by km2002 on Mon, 10/25/2010 - 7:35pm.
@MidAmerica: Of course the Church doesn't have the right! It's only a religion, not a shrine of the left! Everyone knows that the leftist definition of religion is nothing more than Do What Thou Wilt! </sarcasm>
Canon law?
Submitted by octavioj on Mon, 10/25/2010 - 11:17pm.
Have these people ever heard of canon law? Have they ever heard of the catechism of the Catholic church? Why is that so hard to understand?Why?
Submitted by AJB on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 7:41am.
They're 'shopping cart' Catholics, is why. They pick and choose the tenants by which they believe will make them the happiest and, in their mind, be in full compliance. This degeneration and denegration of values in the Church has been going on for decades, promulgated and promoted by the uber-leftist sect who have infiltrated the chuch and made it their private club. Is there any wonder why they call Notre Dame Notre Flame?
JPII refers to them as...
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 8:16am.
..."Cafeteria Catholics"
[I guess I need a new signature]
"There... Are... Four... Lights!"
It truly amazes me just how ignorant people...
Submitted by stage9 on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 12:15am.
truly are today about Christianity. You'll hear them talking about it on tv like experts, or you'll read something they've written, and when you're finished, you're left scratching your head wondering if they have ever even darkened the doors of a church much less opened the cover of a Bible.
The whole concept of "liberal" vs "Conservative" Christian is a silly. There is no such thing. You're either one who abides by and follows the Word of God or you don't--period.
The idea of purging the Church of "undesireables" is as old as the Church itself.
The Apostle Paul spent great deals of time teaching this.
In Corinthians 5:1-13 he rebukes the Corinthians for failing to discipline one of their members who was involved in incest. Paul demands that the guilty person "be taken away from among you" (I Corinthians 5:2). He warns that believers must not associate with those whose doctrines or practices fail to reflect scriptural standards (5:11).
In verse 13 he says: "Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person". Until he repents, believers are not to have fellowship with him.
In II Thessalonians 3:6, 14-15, the Apostle Paul commands believers to withdraw from every brother who behaves disorderly and not after the apostolic traditions.
Paul says the traditions to be his own teaching whether by word or by epistle (II Thessalonians 2:15). If any brother's practice or teaching does not agree with the teaching of Scripture, believers are to withdraw from him.
So, if there are those within the Catholic church who are attempting to "put away" those among them that are not of the "fellowship", then they are being consistent with scripture, and anyone who disagrees is out of line.
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner." — Malcolm Muggeridge
Liberals have infected the
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 1:12am.
Liberals have infected the Catholic Church and will if not purged or repented the error of their ways, very Biblical, then the Catholic Church will go the way of all liberal churches ... Episcopal, Lutheran and others.
We in the Southern Baptist had to purge our membership the liberals who were attempting to lead us down the wide path to damnation. It started with the leadership and culminated with the purging of liberal professors in our seminaries. The process is ongoing.
The Catholic Church has yet to purge its universities and seminaries of liberals and until they do so the church is vulnerable to the takeover from within at the the top.
In the SBC we choose our own pastors and elect those to serve at the top. This way we have control over who and what is taught.
Dan, the Catholic Church
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 7:53am.
Dan, the Catholic Church never has been, and never will be a democracy. We believe that the the teaching authority of the Pope and the Bishops comes from Christ Himself, and is not subject to the consent of the faithful. Liberals never quit trying, though. They think that if dissenting Catholics make enough noise, the Pope can be persuaded to do what they want, whether it's ordaining women priests or accepting divorce.Motherbelt... Thanks.
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 8:13am.
By saying the "AUTHORITY comes from CHRIST," you have provide the essential point that many do not understand about the Catholic faith.
I mean no disrespect to those devout and passionate Christian’s who may not understand the workings of the Church… only to those “liberal-Catholics” who seek to mold the Church into their own image.
Well, I hope we Protestants and Catholics...
Submitted by stage9 on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 11:01am.
can agree on one thing: Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God, and there is no other name under heaven whereby we must be saved.
Ravi Zacharias once said:
"Unity does not have to mean uniformity."
The fact is, our churches are deteriorating because we've gotton away from biblical precepts; we've put our spiritual lives in the hands of men.
The Apostle Paul writing to Timothy warned him of the coming atmosphere of the Church in the last days; that many will depart from biblical truths and turn aside to fables:
"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth."
A "deceiving spirit" is one that lures a person away from sound doctrine into unbiblical teaching. Progressive and gay theology do exactly this.
The Apostle instructs Timothy to stay clear of doctrines counter to that which he has taught:
"Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives’ tales; rather, train yourself to be godly."
In the Apostle's second letter to Timothy he makes a very sobering prediction regarding the last days church:
"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."
The Bible makes it clear that there is a people who rather than seeking the Lord personally and abiding by the Word of God, animated by the Holy Spirit, will leave the sound teaching of scripture and find teachers who will tell them not what they NEED to hear but what they WANT to hear.
This is what we find happening in liberal churches. They have abandoned the parts of the Christian faith they find undesireable, and they've embraced the parts they find acceptable.
The Apostle Paul instructs Timothy on what he is to do, and this instruction is applicable to us today:
"Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers."
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner." — Malcolm Muggeridge
stage9 - On Unity
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 11:30am.
Re: your comment: “Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God, and there is no other name under heaven whereby we must be saved.”
I think both Catholics and Protestants of genuine faith have always agreed on that point. Too long did we engage in matters of policy or methodology or even derision toward one another (one-upmanship, if you prefer).
One of the best sermons I ever heard was at Mass one spring morning which was the example of Peter getting out of the boat to meet Christ who was walking on the water towards the boat…Peter was also able to walk on the water until he stopped focusing on Christ – and then he began to sink. There’s a lesson in there for all of us.
I always thought the lesson
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 11:36am.
I always thought the lesson was not to jump into the water after strange visions.
DTM2 Thank you.
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 11:42am.
You have illustrated the point about belief in the principles of humanism vice belief in the principles of Christ perfectly.
MB, the Catholic Church has
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 11:34am.
MB, the Catholic Church has had a few bad Popes throughout the years and will likely have a few more bad ones. I still contend the liberals within are a threat as they are the enemy of Christian doctrine.
The main idea is the libs work their way up in the ranks and up to the cardinals and the Popeship itself. The Catholic power and leadership structure is ripe for such takeovers.
The takeover is a slow slide toward oblivion.
But thats my opinion.
Perhaps another reformation and the CC will split into different factions as Martin Luther did.
Won't happen, Dan...
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 4:10pm.
The takeover is a slow slide toward oblivion.
But thats my opinion.
Perhaps another reformation and the CC will split into different factions as Martin Luther did.
The CC is not going to slide into oblivion.
Jesus said "...upon this rock I will build my church. And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
Long ago, St. Francis of
Submitted by rfpzzzzz on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 1:16am.
Long ago, St. Francis of Assisi became a reformer from within the Church and really set an example of the way for the Church to reform. I really don't know anything about the bloggers' work but as long as it is a call to gospel living rather than a revolt or the establishment of one of the many offshoots or heretic groups that have come about over the centuries it can be a good thing.
Good
Submitted by peteydee on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 4:48am.
It's about time!
Dear Rachel...
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 8:24am.
...makes all this conservative Catholic advocacy sound like a bad thing. Who knew?
Speaking as a "Taliban Catholic", I should start advocating for laws that keep women covered from head to toe in burkas, keep women as prisoners in their homes, throw acid in faces of girls who want to go to school, and... oh, wait... You mean Catholics don't do that sort of thing???
Oh fudge!
[I guess I need a new signature]
"There... Are... Four... Lights!"
This is misleading.
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 9:01am.
"John Allen, Vatican analyst for the National Catholic Reporter, has dubbed this trend 'Taliban Catholicism.' National Catholic Register is not a Church publication, which this article implies. It is an independent publication which was founded as an alternative to the National Catholic Register (one has to wonder if the name similarity was intentional). It calls itself an alternative Catholic voice that provides avenues for expression of diverse perspectives, promoting tolerance and respect for differing ideas. This is not to say that their opinions are not valid. But it should be made plain that this is not a RCC publication.Religious Freedom
Submitted by KC Mulville on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 9:24am.
I go back to Vatican II's treatise on religious freedom: Dignitatis Humanae Personae. It's worth reading if you can slog through some of the church-speak (remember, these were written in Latin).
Let's start with a simple reality: how many expert theologians have mastered the length and breadth of Catholic doctrine? You could put them in a kitchen and have room left over. Catholic faith doesn't depend on perfect knowledge of every rule and regulation. Hell, I've spent years studying it, and I'm sure I've missed most of it. My Latin is horrendous. The fact that I may simply not know, or even be wrong about certain details, however, doesn't condemn me to hell.
Being Catholic isn't a brain-only thing. There's a lot more going on than gotcha questions. So, let's defend against the extreme: some of the greatest Catholics have been suspected of major doctrinal error. What usually saved their Catholic ass was their humility in working with the authority of the church, and their love and charity on top of whatever they intellectually believed. Sure, we strive to get it all intellectually correct, but that's only part of the whole.
On the other hand, we all know that some Catholics stretch the boundaries too far. In the name of being relevant or trendy, some Catholics have fooled themselves into thinking that they're being "innovative," when in fact they've simply talked themselves into blasphemy or sin. So, on the other extreme, we can't open the gates and say that everything goes.
How do we safely negotiate between the extreme? Pastors. That's what they're there for.
So, do I like the "purging" (or whatever they call it) by individual Catholics? No. I actively oppose it. Let the pastors deal with individuals. As for the rest of us, it's better to stick to testifying to the truth, instead of prosecuting heretics. That's their job, and we should let them do their jobs. Frankly, I'm not too eager to point fingers at others, you know what I mean?
The church can seem to be a giant institution, with rules and regulations, enforced by impersonal edicts and decrees. But it wasn't intended to be that way, and when you see it up close, you realize that it isn't that way on the ground. The church is still a pastor leading his flock. Who do you see at the hospital at 3am? Hopefully, the nurse, the doctor, and the priest. The church is the priest who sits in a confessional and talks to individual people, one at a time. That's the church. That's the part that the media can't communicate about the church. It's still personal. One believer at a time.
Advocate and testify to the truth. Leave the prosecution to the pastors.
KC - Interesting questions...
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 12:36pm.
You bring up some very interesting points and overall I agree with your perspective on the balancing act between intellectualism and simple faith. Still, there is such a thing as discernment and it is important for Catholics to address our concerns to higher authority when we have questions… Of course we don’t always get the answer we want to hear, but living with the answer in all humility is what we are called to do.
You say discernment to an ex-Jesuit?
Submitted by KC Mulville on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 1:02pm.
LOL! For a Jesuit, or anyone who embraces Ignatian spirituality, "discernment" is the ultimate power word.
I completely agree with you. Nothing is set in stone, our spiritual lives are dynamic and interactive. We're constantly in dialogue with each other, and especially with the church, as we go further in our spiritual lives. Amen to that!
I have a ongoing reflection that might fit here. One common myth about religion is that we all go along in our humanity, and then religion pops in from the sky, and God asks us to stop being human and start acting divine. In other words, the myth is that religion is separate from humanity. Obviously, I don't think that's how it works. The Catholic Church sets great store in the conviction that it's part of the dignity of humanity that we're in constant conversation with God and with each other. And so, religion isn't a departure from humanity; it's the fulfillment of humanity.
Jesus didn't come to earth to start a restricted club for special people. What he taught was how to be human. But, it's part of being human to be in conversation with the authority of the church and the shared experience of others. And I've been very lucky -- that isn't a wish or a hope for me. That's been my lived experience.
I look at the stereotypical way that people experience religion, and I think, "I wouldn't want to live that way, either." One hour a week where you get preached at, and then feel guilty about sex the rest of the week? No thank you. Not for me. And I've been lucky in my life where I don't have to put up with that horror show. My religious experience has been so much better. I wish others' had better experience as well.
KC - I didn't know...honest!
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 1:17pm.
(LOL) I had no idea that "Discernment" was a power word for the Jesuit's... I wish I had known years ago... would have saved a lot of time in arguments. :o)
Ha!
Submitted by KC Mulville on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 1:45pm.
If you were in a room with 20 Jesuits, and said the word "discernment," it would be like an EF Hutton commercial. Every head would turn.
But that's just the buzzword. I think you proved, without realizing it, a very important point. You didn't know the buzzword, but you knew the meaning. A humble give-and-take with the authority of the church -- that's exactly what discernment is all about.
I just pray that you went to a Jesuit school, and that they taught you the meaning, even if they didn't insist on the buzzword. That would be the kind of thing that makes Jesuits very, very proud.
Sorry to disappoint...
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 2:22pm.
“I just pray that you went to a Jesuit school,…”
Sorry, that’s one of those prayers where you don’t get the answer you’re looking for… Carmelite Nuns and Christian Brothers (1 year in high school)… Still, thank you for your kind words.
Maybe in the future we can discuss the word “judgmental” – and I promise not to use the word discernment. :o)
P.S. I'm afraid I'll have to sign-out for a few hours... but if you would like to reply, I'd be interested to see just how narrow this thread can go. :o)
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