On Tuesday’s Situation Room, CNN’s Suzanne Malveaux questioned RNC Chairman Michael Steele about the debate over ObamaCare, and alleged that protesters “from your own party...have talked about and compared President Obama to Hitler” at the health care town halls. The anchor also bizarrely asked Steele if he gave Attorney General Holder “credit...for breaking away from President Obama.”
Midway through her interview with the GOP leader, Malveaux made the left-wing allegation that Republican activists were using Nazi imagery against the President at the town halls: “How honest do you think the debate has been- the discussion? In light of some of the town hall meetings, some of the rhetoric that we’ve seen from both sides, but specifically those who are from your own party who have talked about and compared President Obama to- to Hitler.”
CNN has raised the issue of the Nazi comparisons at the health care town halls in the past weeks, all the while making three significant omissions. First, they neglected to mention that early in August, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi accused the anti-ObamaCare protesters of “carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town hall meeting on health care,” which led to Rush Limbaugh pointing out the similarities between the DNC health care logo and a Nazi symbol. They have also failed to mention that supporters of leftist Lyndon LaRouche bore posters of President Obama defaced with a Hitler mustache.
Most importantly, the network took no issue to the Bush-as-Hitler mask worn by an anti-war protester in 2006. CNN correspondent Susan Roesgen characterized the mask as a “look-alike.”
Malveaux concluded her interview with Steele by bringing up Attorney General Eric Holder’s decision to probe alleged abuse of terror suspects by the CIA. She quoted from White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs that “determinations about whether someone broke the law are made independently by the attorney general.” After getting Steele’s reaction to Holder’s decision, the CNN anchor followed up by mouthing Gibbs’s spin: “The former attorney general, Alberto Gonzales, under President Bush- he was criticized for being too close, too cozy with the president- that he wasn’t independent. Do you at least give Eric Holder some- some credit here for- for breaking away from President Obama?”
The RNC chairman replied, “You call this a breakaway? You’re telling me that this is a separation? I think this is- I think this is a very close tie. The president and everybody’s on board with this- with what the attorney general is doing. Don’t be fooled by that.” It looks like Malveaux was indeed fooled by the White House spin.
The full transcript of Suzanne Malveaux’s interview of Michael Steele, which began 12 minutes into the 4 pm Eastern hour of Tuesday’s Situation Room:
SUZANNE MALVEAUX: Are Republicans scaring seniors about health care reform? Well, that is the charge by the Democratic National Committee. Joining us to talk about that and much much more- Republican Party Chairman Michael Steele. And Michael, thank you for being here.
RNC CHAIRMAN MICHAEL STEELE: It’s good to be with you again.
MALVEAUX: I want to start off- you’ve been saying that your party- you know, particularly- wants to protect seniors, their Medicare- from President Obama and the Democrats. The DNC is- is responding in this way. They said, ‘It should be no surprise that the Republican Party- which whipped many Americans into a frenzy at town hall meetings on health care this month by spreading one lie about reform after another- has now taken to scaring seniors who have nothing to fear and much to gain from reform.’ They go on to say that it was the Republican party that was fighting Medicare-
STEELE: I know- that’s such a great talking point. We’re such Boogeymen.
MALVEAUX: It was the Republican Party four years ago that was fighting Social Security reform.
STEELE: I know, it’s- it’s amazing. You know, the little party that- you know, been set aside after the last two election cycles, and we have all this power and control. You know, the reality of it is that- you know, it’s a great talking point, and I admire my friends in the party on the other side who- who spin that stuff. But the reality of it is, you have an administration that’s put on the table a massive reorganization of our health care system to deal with what- arguably, are pockets of problems here and there- number one. Number two- when it comes to seniors and- and their health care, there is no accounting what’s going to happen to the Medicare system, which is already on the track for bankruptcy that- everyone’s projecting in the out years. That’s not addressing any of the health care packages that we’re dealing with right now, and my concern and the concern of countless folks around the country- I have two senior parents that I am concerned about and their health care- is, what does this system look like if you are going to take $500 billion out of it? A system that is already on the road to bankruptcy- everyone knows it’s short of money- to put into more government spending for another program that is just going grow the size of government?
MALVEAUX: How do you respond to-
STEELE: And so the impact on seniors is the driving force here.
MALVEAUX: But how do you respond to the critics who take a look at Medicare- you’ve criticized- you say it’s in bad financial trouble. People do not disagree with that-
STEELE: Then let’s fix that-
MALVEAUX: But they say that the Republicans, in 2003- they were the ones that went ahead and- and gave more funds, passed enormous funding for Medicare, and did not actually deal with the deficit- did not lower- actually, raise taxes or make those critical cuts in the budget.
STEELE: The reality of it is, it didn’t happen in a vacuum. It wasn't Republicans by themselves. The Democrats-
MALVEAUX: But certainly Republicans were partly responsible.
STEELE: Because you have the White House and you don't have the Congress. There’s- there’s a partnership here. My point is- now, you've got one party that’s got control of the entire- entire process here. So, this is an opportunity for us to have an honest discussion about how we’re going to address what is fundamentally an important issue to a lot of seniors around the country. And all I wanted to do was place a marker. I wanted to place a marker in the debate that- as we go into the fall and a lot of members come back, that we have an honest discussion that not only addresses the broader question of health care reform, but specifically accounts for and to our seniors about what this reform will mean to them. My prediction is this- under a single payer system- under a public option system, that a lot of our seniors- the vast majority of them- will be pushed into a public health care system that is not necessarily in their best interest because the services will not be able to be afforded or provided under the current Medicare plan.
MALVEAUX: How honest do you think the debate has been- the discussion? In light of some of the town hall meetings, some of the rhetoric that we’ve seen from both sides, but specifically those who are from your own party who have talked about and compared President Obama to- to Hitler and to some of these other images that seem rather [unintelligible]-
STEELE: Look, there’s- Suzanne, there’s hot rhetoric on both sides. I mean, there was hot rhetoric during the Bush administration on the war. There’s hot rhetoric now on- on this issue. Why? Because people are passionate about it and they care. And so, you know, we were- you know, demonized because we complained about people talking about the president at a time of war. Now, we’re being demonized because we’re criticizing this president. The reality of it is, those hot tempers are one thing- having an honest discussion is something different, which is- clearly, this administration doesn't want.
MALVEAUX: Let’s turn the corner real quick here. Attorney General Eric Holder-
STEELE: Yeah.
MALVEAUX: His decision to- to appoint a prosecutor to take a look at the CIA interrogations, whether or not there was any wrongdoing. Robert Gibbs put it this way- he said that, ‘The President has repeatedly said he wants to look forward, not back. Ultimately, determinations about whether someone broke the law are made independently by the attorney general.’ Do you think- do you think it was a good idea, first, for Holder?
STEELE: No, I don’t. You know, I think it’s astounding to me that the administration is moving in this direction. This is the same president who told us we want to look forward- we don’t need to look backwards, and clearly, the attorney general didn’t get that memo. And I think- I think it’s bad form to- at this time, define yet another bogeyman- to rehash old, old stories, stuff that has already been covered, quite frankly, by the previous- during the previous administration. We’re now going to rehash again, and the other part of this that I find fascinating is we’re trying to federalize terrorism and put it- in in the FBI. Leave it at the CIA- let them handle it, because they know best what to do with it.
MALVEAUX: Real quick here- the former attorney general, Alberto Gonzales, under President Bush- he was criticized for being too close, too cozy with the president- that he wasn’t independent. Do you at least give Eric Holder some- some credit here for- for breaking away from President Obama?
STEELE: You call this a breakaway? You’re telling me that this is a separation? I think this is- I think this is a very close tie. The president and everybody’s on board with this- with what the attorney general is doing. Don’t be fooled by that.
MALVEAUX: Okay. Michael Steele, RNC-
STEELE: All right. You got it.
MALVEAUX: Thank you very much for joining us in The Situation Room.
—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.




















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Maybe it would help if Obama
August 25, 2009 - 19:03 ET by 10ksnookerMaybe it would help if Obama wasn't trying to implement the National Socialist's agenda.
And they DID
August 25, 2009 - 19:12 ET by nwahsFirst, they neglected to mention
that early in August, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi accused the
anti-ObamaCare protesters of “carrying swastikas and symbols like that
to a town hall meeting on health care,” which led to Rush Limbaugh
pointing out the similarities between the DNC health care logo and a
Nazi symbol. They have also failed to mention that supporters of leftist Lyndon LaRouche bore posters of President Obama defaced with a Hitler mustache.
Some people against health care reform DID carry "swastikas and symbols like that
to a town hall meeting on health care" and before that they carried symbols like that to the tea parties. Its absolutely true, its not made up. There is nothing so ridiculous as trying to deny something obviously true. And you are right, most of the people carrying the Nazi imagery we left wing Larouche supporters against Obama. Pelosi's comment which was factually correct lead Rush to comparing Obama's health care reform ( Obamacare) to Nazi fascism, and Obama to a charismatic Hitler. Rush also compared their symbols, but that was only the start.
Now you might think there is good reason to do that but I am not going to sit here and play like it didn't happen. There is too much evidence that it DID happen.
Now that aside, the questioning was ambiguous as Rush is not a Republican and of course neither are LaRouche supporters. It is unfair to characterize the Republican party by either of these extremes.
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Nwahs, help me out
August 25, 2009 - 19:13 ET by FeynmanFanSo, help me understand your point. It's okay to do those kinds of things when Bush was in office, but it's not okay now? Or do you think people are splitting hairs about it now, or what?
"I support the President but not his policies" - Blonde
NO
August 25, 2009 - 19:17 ET by nwahsIt's okay to do those kinds of things when Bush was in office, but it's
not okay now? Or do you think people are splitting hairs about it now,
or what?
For the 1000 th time NO. Its NEVER ok. It wasn't ok then and I complained about it then and it not ok now and I'm complaining about it now.
Its not OK for Holder to go after the CIA. And it would be not OK even if a Republican was in office. He is attacking our defense.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
nwahs
August 25, 2009 - 19:31 ET by FeynmanFanWe agree 100% on the Holder issue.
As to the swasticas and Nazi references, I like the post below our discussion that makes the distinction between attacking Obama's policies and attacking him personally or as a racial issue. It seems to me that the attacks against the Bush administration were directed directly at Bush himself a lot more often than has happened with Obama.
In the end, people who are protesting choose images to display that will get the strongest resonse (good or bad) from whomever their targeted audience is. It's been that way for a long, long time.
"I support the President but not his policies" - Blonde
I understand that
August 25, 2009 - 19:35 ET by nwahsIn the end, people who are protesting choose images to display that
will get the strongest resonse (good or bad) from whomever their
targeted audience is. It's been that way for a long, long time.
I understand that. My only objection is to the idea it didn't happen or it had some other purpose. You can't make a decent argument by kidding yourself.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
~The Nazis
August 25, 2009 - 19:41 ET by choselife3xWere socialists. Obama's political goals are socialist. Nazis took over the healthcare system, liberals are trying to take over the healthcare system. Nazis were genetic purists, liberals think babies with congenital defects should be aborted.
Doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to me.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
It seems like a stretch to me
August 25, 2009 - 19:45 ET by nwahsUnless you know about a few mass graves I don't know about.
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we've been over this, backward shawn
August 25, 2009 - 19:48 ET by candanceRush was comparing modern Dems to the way the Nazis rose to power - not the way they killed 12 million people. Please buy a clue.
No I have a clue
August 25, 2009 - 19:55 ET by nwahsYou don't use Nazism and expect people to "disregard the genocide."
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Again, we've been over
August 26, 2009 - 12:53 ET by dvdaughtryAgain, we've been over this:
ABORTION=GENOCIDE.
and you don't, also, have to kill millions to be Nazi. Nazi's aren't Nazi's becuase they killed millions, the are Nazi's because they are socialist.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
No, Nazism is pretty much
August 26, 2009 - 13:04 ET by nwahsNo, Nazism is pretty much tied at the waist to exterminating millions of civilian men, women, and children.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Stalin killed millions is
August 26, 2009 - 13:09 ET by dvdaughtryStalin killed millions is he a Nazi?
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Sorry, shawn in the mirror, but your flaming ignorance...
August 26, 2009 - 13:37 ET by R D Helm...of historical facts is blinding most of us here at NB.
Nazism wasn't just the Holocaust, racism and militarism, but a very rigidly structured, tyrannical and intrusive social order that permeated every level of German society-from the highest levels of government right down to individual neighborhood blocks.
The Nazi program was so far-reaching and complete that a whole series of Nazi uniforms were issued to each party member, depending on one's position within same:
http://www.bytwerk.c...
The government control of our health care system (which the Nazis, BTW, controlled as well) will be every bit as intrusive as was their system. Perhaps even more so given the electronic monitoring/snooping technology that exists today.
Have a Kroger Plus Card do you? Did you pay for said groceries with a debit or credit card? Ever used a credit or debit card down at your local distilled spirits retailer?
If you have, it means a record of every item you have ever purchased is in somebody's database. Do you want the government to have access to that-assuming they don't already?
Government will also have unfettered access to your medical records, what you eat, drink, smoke, or whatever. They will also have electronic access to your bank and credit card accounts.
Wanna guess what all the government will be using that assembled information for?
I can think of a whole bunch of things, and many of them have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with health care.
Add two and two here. You are looking square-ass at the end of the freedoms and liberties we have been enjoying in this country for 232 years.
-Dave
I disagree
August 26, 2009 - 13:38 ET by nwahsNazism is pretty much tied to the Holocaust. Its impracticable to believe people are going to consider Nazism and disregard the Holocaust. In fact Nazism was invoked because Canada just wasn't working.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Well then, if you disagree
August 26, 2009 - 13:46 ET by dvdaughtryWell then, if you disagree (without support) then we should reconsider!
You have it backwards (Along with your general mindset), the Holocaust is tied to the Nazi's. The Nazi's don't have a monopoly on mass killling, (now stay with me) Socialism does!
But "feel" free to disagree with historical facts and linear logic.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
No. Outside of the few
August 26, 2009 - 16:59 ET by nwahsNo. Outside of the few using this Nazi comparison, most people find it reprehensible. To simplify Nazism as some run of the mill overpowering government is an insult to a lot of groups. I know the ADL is not real fond of it.
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No. First off, stop saying
August 26, 2009 - 22:01 ET by dvdaughtryNo.
First off, stop saying no. Present an argument. No, just because you type doesn't change that you have been destroyed up and down this thread.
Outside of the few using this Nazi comparison, most people find it reprehensible.
As they should.
To simplify Nazism as some run of the mill overpowering government is an insult to a lot of groups. I know the ADL is not real fond of it.
Who is simplifying anything? Who called anyone a run of the mill overpowering gov't?
dude, this gets tiring.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
No
August 26, 2009 - 22:44 ET by nwahsWhen you talk about "destroying" or other internet tough guy crap, you impress me as a child and I'm probably going to ignore you more.
People don't invoke Nazism unless they want to imply a hidden threat of genocide or some other equal wickedness. If you don't get that you are naive or think I am naive. So "dude" (you've got a horse or just the hat?) if its so tiring to your overloaded brain engulfed with so many important issues, take the leap and actually ignore a post. Don't whine about how tiring it is - you sound like a girl, and impress me none.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Nwahs lectures someone
August 26, 2009 - 22:46 ET by Free StinkerNwahs lectures someone about sounding like a child.
Incredible.
and I'm probably going to ignore you more.
Like the way you are ignoring them now?
Eh, I'm a glutton for punishment.
August 26, 2009 - 22:57 ET by dvdaughtryDid we strike a chord?
People don't invoke Nazism unless they want to imply a hidden threat of genocide or some other equal wickedness. If you don't get that you are naive or think I am naive.
I don't think your naive, just difficult. It's clear you argue with "feelings". FEEELLLLINGS... You feel there is more to it, so it must be.
FFEEEELLLLINGS,FFEEEELLLLINGS!
Don't whine about how tiring it is - you sound like a girl, and impress me none.
You argue like one. You have a one track mind on this Nazi thing and have had it explained more than once, by more than one person.
When you talk about "destroying" or other internet tough guy crap, you impress me as a child...
Don't get upset with me because you have been battered, beat up, and smacked around and all you can come back with is "no".
...and I'm probably going to ignore you more
Let's see if I can call your bluff, bro.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
shawn in the mirror, I don't much care what the "perception"
August 26, 2009 - 13:50 ET by R D Helm...of Nazism is on the part of a bunch of government-schooled dumbMasses, I am telling you what Nazism actually was.
It was neighbor spying on neighbor, children spying on their parents, friends spying on friends, and the government spying on everybody.
-Dave
You know, you really need to
August 26, 2009 - 13:57 ET by mandrakeYou know, you really need to settle down or you're going to give yourself a heart attack! The world as we know it is NOT going to end in 2010. Life goes on, and there's always one more election
the world as we know it is
August 26, 2009 - 23:01 ET by Dan The Man 2the world as we know it is NOT going to end in 2010. Life goes on, and there's always one more election
Thats what all dictatorshipstell their populace and if we dont stand up theremay not be any more open elections. They will all be rigged like in Canada.
Are you for real? Elections
August 27, 2009 - 08:27 ET by mandrakeAre you for real? Elections in Canada are rigged? Stephan Harper is a conservative and the liberals haven't been able to do anything about it. Can you back your claim with some proof?
It'll be anarchy! Cats and
August 27, 2009 - 13:21 ET by balboaIt'll be anarchy! Cats and dogs living together!
Oh, now I get it, you must
August 27, 2009 - 16:30 ET by mandrakeOh, now I get it, you must mean rigged as in this.
http://news.sympatic...
ttfn :)
*sigh*
August 26, 2009 - 14:05 ET by katainkentOk nwahs its only about the holocaust only if that's the only thing you took away from HS World History. Both my younger kids just finished their first APWH book reports re: the Nazi era and believe me there is so much more to it than just "brown shirts" "swastikas" and "gas chambers". I personally started reading up on the German Socialist Workers Party and Hitler when Jer and ... oh I forget who the other person was... were discussing it months ago.
"Nazi" as a simple derogatory term was invoked years ago. Essentially directed at anyone perceived as wanting to take absolute control of some/all aspects of a person's life. Most recently, the entire GOP (and with them every fiscal conservative drug screaming behind them) has been called Nazis. The term lost its "punch" so long ago. Just as "racist" has.
Now suddenly its the worst thing in the world again? Because the MSM says so? I won't buy it.
Canada and Britian must be working well enough as examples because the media are thowing down spike strips all over the place to keep the reality of their situations from seeing the light of day.
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"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
You actually think you
August 26, 2009 - 16:55 ET by nwahsYou actually think you can rehabilitate Nazism above the genocide its become synonymous with? Well good luck with that. Perhaps you can start with the Anti-Defamation League. The seem to be real open to this trendy Nazi rehabilitation....or not.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
no soup for you!
August 26, 2009 - 17:10 ET by katainkentpretty sure Seinfeld already did that job.
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"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
As a sidebar, why is it
August 26, 2009 - 13:39 ET by balboaAs a sidebar, why is it assumed that clandestine things will happen to all that data, but no one thought anything could go wrong with warrant -less wiretaps?
bal, don't even start that BS with me
August 26, 2009 - 14:07 ET by R D HelmI never heard so much as a peep from the left back when Bill and Al had the federal government monitoring and recording EVERY SINGLE ELECTRONIC TRANSMISSION that was generated ANYWHERE IN THIS COUNTRY while CARNIVORE and ECHELON were going on.
If the people in charge of defending this country want to tap into a phone call placed by a guy named Mohammed in NJ to some turban-sporting guy in the Sudan who might just be planning a terrorist attack on this country that would kill thousands of Americans, including you or me, that is fine by me.
I have yet to see any proof whatsoever that communications between Americans located IN THIS COUNTRY were monitored illegally.
You know, back during WW II, if the government had been required to get a warrant every time they wanted to tap into German and Jappanese communications, and that includes communications between their spies operating RIGHT HERE IN AMERICA and their bosses back home, we would have lost a sh*tload more ships than we did, certainly thousands of more soldiers, too, and might have even lost the whole damn war.
-Dave
RD, we're talking about
August 26, 2009 - 17:03 ET by balboaRD, we're talking about potential violations of policy. You're willing to go ahead and jump to the conclusion that Democrats will use your "Kroger card" data for evil purposes, but not Republicans conducting wiretaps without a warrant. Why?
~Terrorists
August 26, 2009 - 14:07 ET by choselife3xAre not protected by the Bill of Rights. American citizens are.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
~Howsabout 50 million
August 25, 2009 - 20:07 ET by choselife3xDead babies?
Guess mass graves might give people the idea that human beings are being killed. Throw them out with the trash and call it 'medical waste'. Nazis shoulda thought of that.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
How many more this year
August 25, 2009 - 20:20 ET by nwahsHow many more abortions were there this year as opposed to Bush's last year? Is it up 50%-100%-300%? If abortions shot up 100% in Obama's first year, then I guess you have a genocide argument, and I'd likely be on your side. But as far as I know, the Obama administration hasn't affected abortion rates yet, so its hard to use that to justify Nazi comparisons. I am 100% against abortion. But Obama didn't make the abortion laws. I'm not a Democrat or do I support Democrat policies. But you can't use abortion to compare Obama to Hitler. Obama didn't create the abortion culture, nor did this class of Democrats.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
~We're talking at cross purposes
August 25, 2009 - 20:32 ET by choselife3xI responded to the "How can you compare obama's admin to the Nazi regime" argument. I pointed out some strong corollaries. I'm bringing up the issue of abortion because it is a liberal rallying point. Something they are passionately for. As are the other things I brought up..nationalized healthcare, etc..
It's the liberal Gospel, so to speak. You know what I mean? The things that the liberals promote and want to implement are all things that the Nazis promoted and eventually implemented. If Nazis could have tested for congenital defects and aborted those babies they would have.
I'm not saying that Obama created or is responsible for abortion, I'm saying that he has promoted it at every opportunity. He and the liberals are promoting and attempting to put in place the same types of policies that the Nazis used.
The Nazis didn't start killing off the Jews in their first year of power, either.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
exactly, chose
August 25, 2009 - 20:40 ET by candanceObama voted in favor of letting live babies die in laundry closets. I don't recall Bush ever doing that.
I remember that story
August 25, 2009 - 21:02 ET by nwahsAs I remember, a nurse cradled the baby until it died. My now deceased brother ( Catholic as I am) was a surgical technician and assisted in an abortion. The doctor handed him the baby "specimen."
This stuck with my brother for many of years. He said although extremely small that baby was perfectly formed. He could see the heart beating beneath the skin and the hands instinctively clasped when it was placed in the tray. This was a bout 20 years ago. As horrific as abortion is, and it is horrific, it is not new to this administration. Using that to justify the Nazi comparisons doesn't make sense. I just want to make it clear, I am in no way supporting or justifying abortion. I wrote a few posts on Obama's despicable vote. IMO, it doesn't call for the nuclear (Goodwin's law) option.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
you remember wrong, nwahs
August 25, 2009 - 21:21 ET by candanceJill Stanek testified that Mercy Hospital repeatedly oversaw the death of live babies. A fellow nurse put one baby in a dirty laundry closet, where Stanek found it and took the time to hold it herself. Had Stanek not been there, no one would have done anything.
Obama was under intense pressure from Planned Parenthood and ACLU, which explains why he voted against BAIP four times. You know, the same Planned Parenthood who will be getting tax dollars for "reproductive health" because Obama promised he wouldn't give an inch to pro-lifers?
Yeah, that's exactly like abortion under Bush.
I don't think
August 25, 2009 - 21:27 ET by nwahsI don't think I remembered it that wrong. I remembered a nurse in a linen closet cradling a baby that survived an abortion. Exactly what part of my post provoked your angst?
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
~Abortion in general
August 26, 2009 - 12:46 ET by choselife3xProvokes a normal, emotionally healthy woman's angst. Man's too, for that matter.
Obama's promotion of abortion can be seen here.
Obama has had difficulty explaining some of his 129 "present" votes
in the Illinois legislature on issues such as promoting school
discipline and prohibiting sex shops near places of worship. In the
case of his votes on the anti-abortion legislation, however, he has had
a solid alibi. The Illinois branch of the Planned Parenthood
organization has given him a "100 percent" pro-choice voting rating and depicted the present votes as part of a previously agreed strategy to provide political cover for other legislators.
And here.
In Illinois, the
very idea of protecting babies which survived abortions was debated on
the floor of the state house. The Born Alive Infant Protection Act
stopped the act of taking the life of a new born baby that survived an
abortion by placing that baby in a portion of the hospital to die. It
was Barack Obama who opposed the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. In
fact he opposed it four times. He was the only state Senator to oppose
the bill in Illinois.
A high percentage of babies murdered in the womb are black, and many more have been aborted solely on suspicion of congenital defects. The Nazis would love it.
I can't talk about this or look up any more info on it for a while. It makes me cry. I'm going to go play with my babies now.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
I'm not kidding myself, nwahs
August 25, 2009 - 19:47 ET by FeynmanFanI'm not trying to kid myself that those images haven't been displayed. I have seen them displayed by folks on both sides of the argument and I accept that they are used to try to get the kind of reaction that you seem to be having to them. To me, they are there make a point and whether other people think it's a valid point or valid use is academic. I don't like seeing those kinds of images, but there are a lot of other images used that I care for even less. In the end, you have to accept that free speech means free speech and not get wrapped around the axle about it.
"I support the President but not his policies" - Blonde
I didn't mean you you
August 25, 2009 - 19:53 ET by nwahsI should have use "one" not "you." I didn't mean you you, I meant a person can't make a convincing argument if they start by kidding themselves. I tried to edit it but there was already a reply.
And I completely agree - this is the exact reason for free speech protection. You don't need a constitutional right for acceptable speech. The right exists for this type of speech. I really don't see where we disagree so much.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Nwahs, I don't see where we disagree that much, either.
August 25, 2009 - 20:03 ET by FeynmanFanSometimes it's bad to have a visceral reaction to a symbol because people can use that to hold others by the short hairs. I've been kind of amazed at how some people become prisoners to certain symbols and words, and how they put themselves under the control of others because of it.
"I support the President but not his policies" - Blonde
Rush made a statement today
August 25, 2009 - 20:30 ET by nwahsRush made a statement today, that the word "socialism" had lost its bite, and that fascism is probably closer anyway, because fascists don't own the business- they run it. I happen to think "fascism" and Hitler will soon lose their bite also.
I'm not a Jew, so I have no idea how those symbols affect them. I am Irish and jokes about drunk Irish people or potato famines have no impact on me. But I suspect the Jewish experience is much different as is the the black experience with symbols of slavery. So I agree one shouldn't be so easily cattle prodded with words. But I don't know if I'm the best one to ask on that subject, since I've had a pretty easy life.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Rush made a statement
August 26, 2009 - 12:56 ET by dvdaughtryRush made a statement today, that the word "socialism" had lost its bite, and that fascism is probably closer anyway, because fascists don't own the business- they run it. I happen to think "fascism" and Hitler will soon lose their bite also.
The difference between the two is the same difference between an 2 run and a 3 run homer.
Splitting hairs.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
The point is
August 26, 2009 - 13:01 ET by nwahsThe point is the word "fascism" and the name "Hitler" will lose their bite if invoked enough. Both are invoked on the internet so much, invoking such comparisons is a sign of feebleness.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Yeah nawhs, I am sure you
August 26, 2009 - 13:05 ET by MightyMouthYeah nawhs, I am sure you had the same opinion from 2000 to 2008. You lefty loons are pathetically hypocritical.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Aren't you a gay rights activist?
August 26, 2009 - 17:03 ET by nwahsYou're a gay rights activist. That's pretty far left for you to be casting dispersions at me.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Another senseless post!
August 26, 2009 - 18:00 ET by MightyMouthWell done! Another couple of hundred bytes of bandwith wasted!
channeling nawhs: "I know you are, what am I?"
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Um, yes
August 26, 2009 - 19:20 ET by nwahsIt was a senseless post directed to a senseless person.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
For the 1000th time
August 25, 2009 - 20:08 ET by NayFor the 1000th time when are you going to get it? Pelosi's purposely vague comment (my opinion of course) was the straw that broke the camels back when it comes to Republican's having the Nazi accusation. She didn't make it clear that the swastika was meant to be an indictment on the Obama Administration, not an endorsement of Nazism by the town hall attendee. I for one, have had enough of the nazi slander against Republicans and it is high time it was slung back where it belongs. Thank you Rush Limbaugh for speaking the truth. I have said for years that whatever the left is accusing the right of doing is exactly what the left is doing.
Please nwahs, for the 1000th time get over yourself. You have no point.
You mean Pelosi
August 25, 2009 - 20:33 ET by nwahsYou mean Pelosi spun the fact? Thats a first for politics.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
nwahs from what I saw the
August 25, 2009 - 19:16 ET by Radical1979nwahs from what I saw the swasticas were used to compare the socialist agenda of Obama to Hitler's socialist policies. The media is trying to portray the use of swasticas as approval for Hitler's racial policies (genocide). The people using those symbols do so to remind us what happens when the government controls healthcare - rationing of care to those the government does not think are worthwhile. I think it was a valid use of the symbol, the ones I saw had a circle and a diagonal line through them indicating it's a road we don't want to go down.
The people use Nazi symbols for one reason
August 25, 2009 - 19:32 ET by nwahsPeople use Nazi symbols for one purpose. To bring back memories of one of the most murderous regimes in modern history. Thats the only reason. If you want examples of socialism of fascism, there are many other examples. Nazism is invoked to bring up images of genocide. Nazism is an aberration in modern history. Telling me its brought up simply as a classic example of a certain government is akin to peeing on my shoe and telling me its dew.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
what are you, psychic?
August 25, 2009 - 20:13 ET by NayLet me just say this, we have taken it long enough and we're not going to take it anymore and we're going to place it squarely where it belongs. Did you check out the zombietime link below, enough already. You and your "Thats the only reason" Puuullleeeeaaaasssseeee.
abberation
August 25, 2009 - 20:28 ET by dmaley1714One of the most murderous, Mao 70 mil, Stalin 25 mil , Khmer Rouge 2 mil dead, the German national socialist party only got the bronze medal in the 20th century.
Do you have photos of this nwahs?
August 25, 2009 - 20:16 ET by nolotrippenDo you have photos of this?
The only Swastika symbols I could find were those with a strike through them (as in "No Facists). Your help is appreciated (yes, I'm writing a book).
For your book...
August 25, 2009 - 21:30 ET by slickwillie2001"The only Swastika symbols I could find were those with a strike through them..."
To keep this accurate, there was one sign used one time, a handmade sign with a swastika overlaid with the universal symbol for 'not allowed'. We should not be using plurals like 'symbols' or a word like 'those'. That's what Nanny Botox does.
The lefties on the other hand used Nazi symbols against President George W. Bush countless times.
Yes they did
August 26, 2009 - 19:25 ET by nwahsThe lefties on the other hand used Nazi symbols against President George W. Bush countless times.
Yes they did. And Tea Party protesters used Nazi symbols more than town hall protesters. And Tea Party protesters used Nazi symbols less than anti-war protesters. None of it was right, and all of it trivializes the Nazi chapter of modern history.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
What was the question?
August 26, 2009 - 00:52 ET by DoktorFrankenWhat was the question?
LOL!
August 26, 2009 - 07:02 ET by RukusGood question Dok! ; )
Gary
A liberal's generosity is limited only by your income.
Do you want fries with that?
August 26, 2009 - 19:27 ET by nwahsWhat was the question?
Do you want fries with that?
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Since when do lefties not like swastikas...?
August 25, 2009 - 19:16 ET by superconI could find fifty images in about two minutes.
If Susan wants Steele to take credit for everything someone claims is a Republican then will she hold Howard Dean responsible for the union thugs who beat up protesters...?
" if Republicans are able to stop Barack Obama on health care, 'it will be his Waterloo, it will break him...." -Sen. Jim DeMint
Crazy Leftie Collection
August 25, 2009 - 19:25 ET by slickwillie2001If you've lost the link, here's the complete collection of 'President George W. Bush should be killed', and 'is a Nazi' stories: http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/
You're making a mistake
August 25, 2009 - 19:25 ET by Captain Kirock"Most importantly, the network took no issue to the Bush-as-Hitler mask worn by an anti-war protester in 2006."
You're making a mistake: this would require Suzanne Malveaux to remember something that happened more than two years ago. She's too dense for that sort of deep thinking.
The Ultimate Stocastic Process
August 25, 2009 - 19:36 ET by allanfYou mean two seconds. Network reporters are context free. They just marshal feel good arguments to blast the side they dont' like.
oh please
August 25, 2009 - 19:38 ET by candanceMichael Steele agreed with DL Hughley just a few months ago that the Republican Party looks like Nazi Germany. Some of us won't forget about that any time soon.
But I suppose Rush Limbaugh is responsible for that, too.
Oh, that's rich. I wonder
August 25, 2009 - 20:22 ET by RR GOPOh, that's rich. I wonder how many spawn of Libtards are growing up thinking that the 43rd President's name was "Hitler"?
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
I wish the Republicans would go on offense.
August 25, 2009 - 21:53 ET by pbthinkerWhy didn't Steele just ask here what Republican did that? They don't know the person was a Republican, they just assume it. I would make them prove it. If they actually did some investigation and found out it was a Republican, I'd be surprised. We're all suspicious that these are plants to make these town halls appear to be made up of radicals.
To me, there's only one way to make the liberal media report things honestly and that's to keep them honest. Don't let them make unsubstantiated accusations. If they do make them, challenge them and challenge them forcefully. If you do that, they'll know they're going to have to have the facts and not just throw things out.
It's not wonder there are so many misconceptions out there about Republicans, they allow these attacks to be made and don't challenge them. WAKE UP REPUBLICANS, THE COUNTRY NEEDS YOU.
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
pb... Amen...and then
August 25, 2009 - 22:00 ET by bigtimerpb...
Amen...and then some!
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
Would some one please knock Steele up side the head..
August 25, 2009 - 23:49 ET by Gary Hall.. he missed on all the obvious answers:
MALVEAUX: Are Republicans scaring seniors about health care reform?
Answer: Absolutely not Suzzane. During the fall campaign, then Senator Obama was caught cold by FactCheck.org, trying to scare seniors into believing that McCain was going to force them into investing in the stock market in their SS account. There was no truth in that. It's the MSM and the Dem's that are always trying to scare the Seniors into believing that the Rep's are going to take Medicare away from them. What is happening right now, is that President Obama and the House Democrats are promising to slash funding for Medicare by almost $1/2 trillion. We are tying to protect seniors from that dirty trick from the Democrats. The real question, Suzzane, is why has the MSM suddenly abandoned the seniors?
MALVEAUX: But they say that the Republicans, in 2003- they were the ones that went ahead and- and gave more funds, passed enormous funding for Medicare
Answer: My God, that is hypocritical of you Suzzane. The national media and the Democrats, until the present time, have always been pounding the streets for more benefits for seniors for Medicare. President Bush delivered a prescription drug plan which seniors dearly love and depend on, at less than half the cost proposed by Democrats. Why are you changing hats now, Suzzane - you're represent yourself as a member of the press. Stick to the facts, please.
MALVEAUX: His decision to- to appoint a prosecutor to take a look at the CIA interrogations, whether or not there was any wrongdoing. Robert Gibbs put it this way- he said that, ‘The President has repeatedly said he wants to look forward, not back.
Answer: First of all, Suzzane, President Obama can't stop looking backwards. That has been his method of operation from day one - looking backward constantly blaming. Blaming blaming blaming. Goodness, the man acts like a little spoiled boy. Everything is blamed on those other than himself and his own party for this mess that was at best, equally created by both political parties over a great many years.
Geeze. wiz.
(;~/ gary
Gary!
August 26, 2009 - 01:08 ET by DoktorFrankenYou da man!
And Steele could not reply correctly because he was setup and ambushed and did not have the brains to figure that out in the first place. Which is why he couldn't have answered correctly in the second place.
I said it a while back - Dick Cheney should kick Steele out and take over the GOP. THEN let the MSM invite him on to an 'ambush'.
I'd pay real money to see that scenario.
thanks DokFrank
August 26, 2009 - 11:50 ET by Gary Hall.. but for goodness sakes, what interview of a Repbuplican leader is not a setup or an ambush? It's the same setting each and every time. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know in advance what type of questions they are going to be asked - nor from what direction they are going to come from. How many years of being setup and ambushed does it take for R's to learn that they need to actually address the questions in a direct fashion. It seems that it is only about once a month (I wish) that we all get excited becasue some pundit from the right finally gave a reporter a hard time - by challenging them on the nature and the basis of the questions.
(;~/ gary
And CNN wonders why they
August 26, 2009 - 00:03 ET by Gone_FishinAnd CNN wonders why they are getting beat in the ratings by MSNBC.
Great job Malveaux!
A liberal who is actually working and not sucking on the gov teet...must be a Republican in training.
I'm Certainly Not Surprised . . .
August 26, 2009 - 01:04 ET by DoktorFranken. . . that all Conservatives are subjected to attacks when being (and I used this term in it's loosest form) 'interviewed' on the fake news channels while Leftists are treated to coffee and cake, a soft pillow, and miles of smiles.
The question is, at this time (and pay attention you people that feed the trolls), why bother? I mean, what exactly is the point? The media and the trolls have the exact same goal - to blather on with the most outrageous lies they can find and to irritate any Conservative that pops their head into the room.
A Conservative will certainly not reach any Leftist with facts and the truth - THEY DON'T CARE! The Anti-American agenda is the only thing that can reside in their small brains since that is what they were fed since early childhood. Evil Corporations, Evil Capitalism, Evil Bush, Evil Reagan, Evil Self Responsibility.
Someone is to blame, damn it, and it sure ain't them!
Why do people on this blog
August 26, 2009 - 06:20 ET by actioncontinue to assume Republican=Conservative???
VOTE 3RD PARTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re Third Party
August 26, 2009 - 12:01 ET by slickwillie2001Candidates for third parties come in third. It's a wasted vote or worse.
slickwillie
August 26, 2009 - 12:09 ET by misterbill--while I almost always agree with you, I must say that that attitude is why third parties will always come in third.
No vote is ever wasted if it is voted freely and with the intention of selecting the man or woman who will serve America the best.
PS Obama is, IMO, a third party.
August 26, 2009 - 17:16 ET by jessieHobama is worse than Hitler. Hitler was not from America. I'm not really shure obama is from here, either. I haven't seen his documents.
TIME TO RESIGN
August 27, 2009 - 13:10 ET by ptsonThe performance of Mr. Steele and Mr. McCain in the past few days is a clear indication that they still HAVE NOT figured out why they were rejected by the voters, last fall. PLEASE, for the sake of our country, SHUT UP and GO HOME. We are not in Kansas anymore and we need leaders with brains and balls. As the noose is slipped around your necks, you will be asking, can't we just compromise and get along? Let someone willing to speak up and fight take over. NOW PLEASE!