CNN's Jim Acosta Misrepresents Limbaugh's Swastika/ObamaCare Logo Comparison

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Jim Acosta, CNN Correspondent | NewsBusters.orgCNN’s Jim Acosta claimed that Rush Limbaugh’s website “compares the [ObamaCare] reform supporters to Nazis” during a report on Tuesday’s American Morning. The website actually draws a comparison between the DNC’s “Organizing for Health Care” logo and the Nazis’ Parteiadler (Party Eagle) symbol. Acosta also claimed that conservatives “falsely compared” ObamaCare to the Canadian health system.

Acosta filed his report from Portsmouth, New Hampshire where President Obama plans to hold a health care town hall meeting later in the day on Tuesday. He began by detailing how opponents to ObamaCare in the state “aren’t just sounding off at congressional town hall meetings...protesters descended on staff members of Democratic Senator Jeanne Shaheen in the middle of a routine constituent’s services meeting. It wasn’t a town hall forum, and the senator wasn’t even there. The protesters recorded the confrontation and put it on YouTube.”

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After playing a clip from his interview with the Democratic senator, where she claimed that “one constituent who was there wound up almost in tears, where our staff person had to be escorted out with a police escort,” the CNN correspondent made his claim about Limbaugh’s website: “Democrats charge the people shouting health care questions at members of Congress these days are being encouraged by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, whose website compares the reform supporters to Nazis.” As Acosta read this claim, a screen capture from Limbaugh’s website flashed on the screen, showing the health care logo of the DNC’s Organizing for America operation, superimposed with the Nazi Perteiadler symbol.

Graphic from RushLimbaugh.com, via CNN's American Morning | NewsBusters.orgAcosta’s claim is a misrepresentation of what the Limbaugh website actually says. The link that has the “Organizing for Health Care” logo/Parteiadler superimposition has a transcript of a segment from Limbaugh’s August 6 program. During this segment, the talk show host pointed out how House Speaker Nancy Pelosi accused the anti-ObamaCare protesters of being “AstroTurf...carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town hall meeting on health care” (the page includes a YouTube video of the San Francisco Democrat’s remark). Limbaugh retorted in part by pointing out the peculiar similarities between the DNC health care logo and the Nazi symbol:

LIMBAUGH: ...[I]f you go and take a look at this, you will find that the Obama health care logo is damn close to a Nazi swastika logo.  I’m going to show you people watching on the Dittocam this, and there you are.  The middle frame is the Obama health care logo.  At the bottom is an official Nazi logo, eagle and everything, spread wings, or bird with spread wings.  Ms. Pelosi has some major apologizing to do.

The superimposition Acosta displayed is actually clipped from an animated graphic which tried to demonstrate the two symbols’ similarities.

Later in the segment, the CNN correspondent accused Corey Lewandowski of Americans for Prosperity of making an untrue accusation about ObamaCare:

ACOSTA (voice-over): Corey Lewandowski says it’s about facts not fear. But time and again, he falsely compared Democratic health care proposals to a Canadian-style universal system.

ACOSTA (on-camera): The ones coming out the House are not Canadian-style universal health care, and you know that.

LEWANDOWSKI: Universal health care in any way, shape, or form is a bad notion.

Acosta is wrong about the House health care proposals. The Hill newspaper on July 31 reported the Democratic Representative Henry Waxman “said House leaders have agreed to allow a floor vote on a government-run, single-payer system.” Canada’s government-run health care system is a single-payer system.

The full transcript of Acosta’s segment, which aired three minutes into the 8 am Eastern hour of Tuesday’s American Morning, and re-ran during the 11 am Eastern hour of CNN’s Newsroom program:

 JOHN ROBERTS: For the president, it’s a make or break month on health care. Americans bitterly divided on the issue are going grassroots, making signs, going to meetings, flooding the Web. So what kind of reception can President Obama expect today in Portsmouth, New Hampshire?

Our Jim Acosta is there this morning- he’s live. He’s already talking to people on both sides of the fight this morning. Now, Jim, we should point out that at least inside the hall, the president should operate in a more controlled environment than some of the town halls that we’ve seen. But it still leaves open the possibility of some interesting debate.

JIM ACOSTA: That’s right. You just never know who’s going to get inside one of these town hall meetings and fire off a question at the president, and he just might get a taste of those rowdy town hall meetings later today here in Portsmouth. The White House is expecting about 1,800 at this town hall event in Portsmouth. But there may be hundreds more gathered outside of the event, and asked if the president might be shouted down by one of these protesters, a White House official says Mr. Obama expects a, quote, ‘vigorous debate.’

ACOSTA (voice-over): Opponents of Democratic plans for health care reform aren’t just sounding off at congressional town hall meetings. In New Hampshire last week, protesters descended on staff members of Democratic Senator Jeanne Shaheen in the middle of a routines constituent’s services meeting. It wasn’t a town hall forum, and the senator wasn’t even there. The protesters recorded the confrontation and put it on YouTube.

SENATOR JEANNE SHAHEEN: One constituent who was there wound up almost in tears, where our staff person had to be escorted out with a police escort.

ACOSTA (on-camera): And have you ever seen anything like this in all of your years of public service?

SHAHEEN: Never where people have been encouraged to be disrespectful.

ACOSTA (voice-over): Democrats charge the people shouting health care questions at members of Congress these days are being encouraged by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, whose website compares the reform supporters to Nazis. But Corey Lewandowski, with Americans for Prosperity, a conservative group that’s backing the protest, insists the anti-reform movement is real.

ACOSTA (on-camera): How do you respond to the charge that this is all orchestrated and artificial if it’s- if it’s all coming from talk show hosts and websites?

COREY LEWANDOWSKI, AMERICANS FOR PROSPERITY, NEW HAMPSHIRE: I think if that were the case, then you wouldn’t see the massive turnout that you’ve seen in each and every event. I mean- you know, the average person is at work when Rush Limbaugh is on the radio.

ACOSTA (voice-over): As we were talking, almost out of nowhere, a bystander listening in our conversation came right up to us to say ditto.

LEWANDOWSKI: Thank you very much.

ACOSTA (on-camera): And you happen to agree with this gentleman?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do.

ACOSTA (voice-over): But Democrats are also flexing their grassroots. These former Obama volunteers were back in campaign mode.

EILEEN FLOCKHART, SUPPORTS OBAMA’S HEALTH CARE PLAN: I really think you’ve got some folks who are very anxious about change, who really love to play the fear card.

ACOSTA (voice-over): Corey Lewandowski says it’s about facts not fear. But time and again, he falsely compared Democratic health care proposals to a Canadian-style universal system.

ACOSTA (on-camera): The ones coming out the House are not Canadian-style universal health care, and you know that.

LEWANDOWSKI: Universal health care in any way, shape, or form is a bad notion.

ACOSTA (on-camera): White House- administration officials have set up a page on the White House website called the ‘reality check’ to counter some of these bogus claims, and as for Senator Jeanne Shaheen, she’s not even sure whether or not she’s going to hold her own town hall meeting in the state. But this event today, John, is not just geared towards people in New Hampshire. Just across the river from Portsmouth, as you know, John, is the state of Maine, where two key senators- Republicans Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins- will be key votes in this health care debate, John.

ROBERTS: And lots of protests planned for outside the venue there, as well, Jim.

ACOSTA: That’s right- yeah. There’s going to be a lot of people out there, and not just opponents- on both sides, those Obama supporters that you saw drawing up those signs in our piece- they plan to be out there, as well. They have spread the word through the Democratic Party/White House organizing machine. That has also gotten a lot of people fired up for this. So, you may see competing sides of this debate going at each other outside of this event later today, John.

ROBERTS: Powerful lobbies at work on both sides of this issue- Jim Acosta for us in Portsmouth- Jim, thanks.

—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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 Oh well, as long as Rush

Oh well, as long as Rush snuggles up to Hitler comparisons he deserves any confusion he gets. Not too long ago, I stated the fact that other than the nut President of Iran, Rush is the last person to challenge a sitting President of the USA to a debate outside of political contest. I was called a troll even though thats a fact. I was told that since Ahmadinejad is known for so much more, its was an inflammatory comparison even though its a statement of fact. But it seems alright for Rush to keep drawing the Nazi parallel. Well forgive me if I don't join the whining that poor poor Rush is being abused. 

 He sticks with his Hitler themes - he deserves it.

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

Rush didn't 'snuggle'

It's very amusing to hear 'non-Rush' 'listeners' talk about things they know nothing about!  Nancy Pelosi started the 'Nazi' comparisons with her swastika comments.  Rush simply stated that we have had to endure over 8 years of Nazi, Hitler comparisons from the left with Bush and anyone on the right, and if you really want to 'go there', define and make these comparisions, you might want to look into where the term 'Nazi' came from, look at history, and analyze who's tactics, policies and behaviour make a 'closer match'.  There is no contest.   

 

To know and not do, is to not yet know

Bull

I listened to his first hour almost every day. Yesterday he started talking about socialism in Germany before Hitler and ended up say something like "And we all know what happened when Hit..oh never mind."

Don't give me the line of crap Rush isn't using Nazi comparisons. HE IS. I dare anyone to post a transcript of his first hour from yesterday.

He damn sure is using Nazi comparisons.

Edit: Here's a link to the clip. You're not going to like the host but how in the world can you possible say Rush isn't using Nazi comparisons?

http://mediamatters....

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

Socialism is socialism

It doesn't matter if it was Hitler's Nazis or Mussolini's Italy.  That's his point.  The term Nazi is from the German word for National Socialism.  A lefty is a lefty, a socialist is a socialist.  IT FAILS EVERYTIME ITS TRIED.  Media Matters is not a credible source (except for ignorant, brain-dead lefty's who will believe anything a democrat tells them)

 

 

To know and not do, is to not yet know

Its not a credible source for THAT clip???:

 Media Matters is not a credible source (except for ignorant, brain-dead lefty's who will believe anything a democrat tells them)

What's brain-dead is looking at the host of the clip and not the clip. Are you telling me that clip is doctored? I don't pay for Rush 24/7. If it makes you feel any better, go get the clip off of there. Its the same damn clip.

Are you telling me Rush is not drawing parallels between Obamacare and the Third Reich? Because if you're telling me he isn't doing that, you're lying or you aren't listening to his show.

It's very amusing to hear 'non-Rush' 'listeners' talk about things they know nothing about!

In light of the evidence I just dropped all over you, that statement is amusing.

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

The parallels exist!

The fact of the matter is the parallels do exist.  That IS the problem.  ObamaCare has nothing to do with 'Health-care'.  It is all about control.  State control over YOUR life by monopolizing the ability to obtain competent health care/treatment.  It doesn't take Rush to make that claim.  Any knowledge of world history will do; along with the ability to apply facts, logic and reason...  Something sadly lacking in a lot of people today. 

 

To know and not do, is to not yet know

Why did you tell me he wasn't doing it?

Fine , we agree. Rush is drawing Third Reich parallels to Obamacare. Only took three messages to get here. Given that Rush is creating this inflammatory comparison to a regime known for genocide, do you think its becoming to whine about people finding it more disgusting than clever? Because you know what? I would bet most sane people suspect there's a hell of a gap between nanny government and exterminating millions of people.

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

Where did I say he wasn't?

I suspect you don't know many 'sane' people, except for those you might encounter on this site!  :) 

 

To know and not do, is to not yet know

You said he wasn't in your first post in this thread

http://newsbusters.o...

So now that you are out of facts you reach in your bag of insults :)

On your way, you have been dispatched ;)

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

n...waaaaaahhhhs!

Constantly. Like a baby with a tummy ache.

But, you'd be correct. There are parallels! It is the democRATS that want to disarm the law-abiding.. it is the democRATS that want to shut down talk radio.. etc, etc. 

If the shoe fits.. or in n..waaaahh's case: "When you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that hollers is the one that got hit!"

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

"He damn sure is using Nazi

"He damn sure is using Nazi comparisons."

So what nwahs? You think the nazis only existed within the confines of hitler's atrocities? There was a ramp up of naziism leading to the "final solution". That ramp up is to what Rush is comparing today's liberals and the 0's administration . 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Let me make it clear for you

Rush is drawing Third Reich parallels. That specific enough for you?

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

National Socialist German Workers’ Party

What's  your point?

Liberals have become so crass, so ignorant of history, and so
idealogically blinded that we can now call them "National Socialists"
without them realizing that we just painted them as NAZIs.

How about the National security force ??

Reagan VS Liberalism

Well, the republicans have

Well, the republicans have certainly taken a page from Josef Goebbels playbook when they fabricated the story about the "union thugs" beating an innocent republican. In the video, it looks like Gladney either falls, or is pushed in retaliation for pushing a "union thug" down.  He hops up and starts waving at a cop car.  He wasn't kicked in the head and had no reason to visit a hospital.  It's people like Gladney who are going to raise your premiums.

oh, I see goldbar

So Gladney got into a scuffle with union members, replete with eyewitness video, and then lied about it to the cops.

Then the cops arrested five people based solely on one side saying the other side started it.

Then an attorney took his case and went through all the pizzaz of a PR campaign knowing the accusations were lies.

THAT'S what happened here. It all makes sense now.

 

Who was arrested? Post me a

Who was arrested? Post me a link.

Pizzaz is the proper word seeing as Gladney is in a wheelchair, with bandages and in the video, he's on the ground for a few seconds and then jumps up, starts yelling and seem to be perfectly fine. He lied about being kicked in the head, lied about needing medical care and lied about being beat up.

No, do your own research.

No, do your own research. Or are you one of those that kept getting socially promoted all the way through school?

The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER

Can't find it, eh?

Can't find it, eh?

I can find it.  Why don't

I can find it.  Why don't you do some work for once?  Oh wait, you don't want to work, you just want to have a Nanny govt hold you widdle hand all through life.

The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER

Here's a video debunking the

Here's a video debunking the whole thing and btw, if you say there were five people arrested in association with this so-call "attack" and can't prove it, that makes you a liar, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK0eFXa1nX4&feature=channel_page 

smell the spin

I post an article from an unbiased newspaper, he posts a heavily-edited video from some lefty activists.

Nice.

Source evaluation

In your zeal to be a Socialist hack, you clearly have dispensed with the silly notion of "source evaluation".   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

One of NB's Three Stooges is back

No, plumbumbar, you lofted the accusation in your bid to be NB's biggest Socialist hack.  And instead of backing your agitprop, you bark orders at everyone else, demanding that WE prove YOUR assertions. 

If you tried this crap in academia, you'd be laughed out of whatever department you are in.

Put up or shut up, Stooge.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

who was arrested?

You know as well as I do the police refuse to reveal names. Media Matters and Think Progress have used this to keep the issue vague. But you already knew that, didn't you?

The St Louis Dispatch reports:

Two men were arrested for misdemeanor assault for allegedly punching, pushing and holding a man who was handing out American flags and fliers outside the school. One woman was arrested for misdemeanor assault and destruction of property for allegedly pushing another woman who was recording the events on her cell phone, then grabbing the phone and breaking it.

Again, either the police took Gladney's side in a he-said-they-said, or the witnesses all saw more than you did.

Are you accusing the St Louis police of picking sides?

ETA: With the exception of the reporter who got arrested for being in the way, all five arrests sprang from the Gladney fight.

 

The people who were arrested

The people who were arrested were outside a middle school, not at the union office building where Gladney was protesting. Nice try.

Link that proves that?  I

Link that proves that?  I saw that last link you tried to send us; didn't work to your favor, can't wait to see you try again so you can be proven wrong yet again.

You're buddy candance's

You're buddy candance's link.  Ought to read things before you post'em.

So should you.

You are.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

what?

 

Gladney's Assault - Middle School - Arrests made   - Aug 6

 - corroborating article from ABC (and links the above article)

  "Outside, conservative activist Kenneth Gladney handed out yellow flags with "Don't tread on me" printed on them and was, he said, attacked. "He spoke to the Post-Dispatch from the emergency room at St. John's Mercy Medical Center, where he said he was awaiting  treatment for injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face. Gladney,  who is black, said one of his attackers, also a black man, used a racial slur against him before the attack."


Gladney invited to SEIU office the following day for a protest
- Aug 8

corroberating article from the Kansas City Star

ST. LOUIS | Protesters are demanding justice for a man who was injured during fighting that erupted last week when audience members at a St. Louis-area aging forum began yelling about health care reform.

Backers of Kenneth Gladney, 38, of St. Louis, gathered Saturday at the offices of the Service Employees International Union for an event organized by the pro-limited government Tea Party coalition.

___________________________________________ 
"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax"  - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15

that's goldbar's story and he's sticking to it...

So goldbar's theory is that there was an alternate incident involving a man who got attacked for selling yellow flags, in front of a completely different building, and those people were the ones who got arrested.

The eyewitness video of people being escorted to police cars is from this other fight, and conservies are lying about them being connected to the Gladney fight. Also, the video of the woman punching a camera operator had nothing to do with the Gladney fight either, even though the voices on the tape were discussing it.

And Gladney is so powerful that he managed to keep the public from hearing about this other building so that he could slap his name to it.

I'd love to see some kind of link to back up this claim of yours. And here's a tip - Media Matters/DKos/HuffPo don't count. Legitimate sources only.

 

I think it's time

For goldbrick to go to the big troll dustbin in the sky.

 

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

They were in two TOTALLY

They were in two TOTALLY different sections of town, if you would bother to read what you post.

are you really that stupid, goldie?

The town hall event happened at the middle school in Mehlville.

 

YES!

EOM

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

not sure what EOM means

But to borrow from the left:

this debate is over

 

EOM

End Of Message

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

Nugget, you didn't really just say that, did you?

"It's people like Gladney who are going to raise your premiums."

People like GLADNEY are going to raise premiums? Was it you, or was it the  "other" Nugget who posted this August 7:

"I don't have health care and don't need it.  When I'm sick, I go to the emergency room and get treated and get my prescriptions for free. I'm not obligated to pay, even though I have a good income. They have to treat me.  I don't have to give them any information other than what's on my driver's license.  I get the best health care coverage totally free and it's perfectly legal.  No bills, no bankruptcy and it always works great!" 

Explain that please.

My evil twin. I happen to

My evil twin.

I happen to have excellent health care provided by my employer, which I keep when others, who aren't so lucky, will finally be covered under the Obama plan. I recently had to get some prescription medication. Under my current plan, I got a month supply for a whopping 87 cents!  I had to have root canal--$125 copay. My kids both had $5,000 worth of orthodontic work for $1200 copay each.  My wife had major surgery and 15 days in the hospital and it cost us NOTHING! When my kids were born the hospital bill was NOTHING! My premium is $50 dollars a month for ALL OF US!  I'd like EVERYONE to have that coverage. Even if my premium DOUBLES it's still a great deal, wouldn't you agree?  I have friends that pay as much as their mortgage a month for healthcare for their families and they are struggling.  I DON'T have a union job, because I know that's the next question.

 

I don't know about your

I don't know about your medical, but I want your dental insurance. $120 copay for a root canal?? I think my portion was almost $500 the last time I had a root canal.

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

~

Toothbrush: $2

Toothpaste: $3

Floss: $1

Mouthwash: $3 

Never having a cavity.....priceless.

Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today

Ovarian cancer: $117,000.

Ovarian cancer: $117,000.

~Is that all?

Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today

It's enough. You can't

It's enough.

You can't choose which cancer you or one of your family members will be stricken with. If you're not insured, they're all expensive. If you smoke--you might get lung cancer, says so right on the box.  The only product that when used as directed, will kill you.  Squamous cell carcinoma--Hope you don't smoke or chew AND drink. That pesky little sore on your gum might REALLY be something.  Prostate cancer--if you're not insured, stock up (and I mean, CASES) of saw palmetto.  There's a lot of horror stories out there and we all--liberal or conservative--hear them all the time. You may want to make an appointment for that colonoscopy, but then again, that blood may just mean you ate a tad too much at dinner last night.

plumbumbar, stooge and whiny thief

Too bad plumbumbar doesn't go out and start a charity to take care of these sob stories and those painful tears of guilt he is crying every night.  If he were to go out and start a charity, I bet he could defray a good chunk of the cost of that ovarian cancer. 

But he'd rather go out and steal from other people instead in order to absolve his guilt. Worse, plumbumbar is too chicken to stick the gun in people's faces himself. He'd rather the government do it FOR him. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Seriously? I'm real good

Seriously? I'm real good with dental hygiene (brush/floss twice a day) but have a nasty habit of chewing ice. You've never had a cavity?

Remember those old commercials when you were a kid - "I only had 1 cavity!"

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

Plenty of cavities, crowns

Plenty of cavities, crowns and root canals, gold foils, but I'm proud to say all my teeth are mine. Dental coverage for a lot a people these days is rare, and I'm fortunate that I have good plan. 

You know I'm watching a story on CBS right now

About dental care. You know Obamacare could throw a monkey wrench into the opposition by stressing dental care would be included in medical care. That could tip the scale. Dental care, while covered under state run Medicaid, isn't covered by Medicare. A lot of those old folks worried about Obama cutting into Medicare would have to listen to a proposal to expand Medicare to cover dental expenses. 

And yea, I've got all 6 of my teeth as well :D

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

How you gonna pay for that?

How you gonna pay for that?

RICH People!

There's 1.4 milion rich people out there that pay more in taxes than 95% of the other taxpayers in this country that obviously need to pay more.

Any more questions?

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

How ya think?

The old people screaming at those town hall meetings aren't screaming about the national dept, they're screaming about having to give up something for nothing. If Medicare expanded to cover dental care, some of those ears are going to perk up. Dental expenses are one of the hardest expenses for seniors to cover and dental problems account for a lot of pain in seniors.

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

Oh I disagree

A lot of the people at these town halls ARE screaming about the national debt. Have you seen any of the signs?

Another thing I find interesting...

Watching FoxNews this afternoon (I work from home) I saw several AARP spots for "supplimental insurance plans through AARP" to help cover what Medicare doesn't.  AARP...why would anyone need to suppliment Medicare?...Medicare- isn't that the government-run health care plan?...needs supplimenting?        ? 

The irony here is too thick.

Well I think

I think if Obamacare expands Medicare to cover dental care you have a whole new ballgame. My gut feeling.

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

Just say no to babying

Another whiny sob story from the Socialist hack: "I'm fortunate I have a good plan". 

So am I.  My plan is provided by MasterCard.  And for some reason I have yet to be impoverished.  But then, two things:

1) I wasn't raised to like sugar.  I don't even have sugar in my home. 

2) Brush.  Floss.  Fluoride. 

3) Shopping for the best deal.

4) Sealants.

I charge MasterCard to however much I need for my cleaning and I am good for six months.  I pay off the card promptly.  Problem solved.  

I can't tell you the last time I resorted to insurance to pay my dental bill. 

Stop with the sob stories, and get your nose out of my f****** business.  I am doing just fine, unlike you, without government babying.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

~When I was a kid?

Sorry, don't think I was born yet. ;-)

And no, no cavities. Yet.

Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today

No evil twin,

It was you

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

For our Socialist stooge

 I happen to have excellent health care provided by my employer, which I keep when others, who aren't so lucky, will finally be covered under the Obama plan.  Lie.  One, His Majesty The Shahinshah has NO plan of His own.  Two, on page 16 of the House bill, you lose your "excellent health care". 

Now, my little Socialist, instead of using the government to steal from me and others because YOU are painfully crying tears of pure guilt into you pillow every night because someone out there doesn't have health insurance (for a multitude of reasons), why don't you get out there and start a damned charity and raise some cash for the poor and downtrodden on your own?  Oh, I forgot, you won't, because you are too lazy and whiny, and because you think you are too good for charity.  You want to turn the government into a Big Nanny and a United Way simply because you are too lazy and whiny to do otherwise.  And if the government has to steal from others to absolve YOU of YOUR guilt, so be it. Right?

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Nugget... why you disingenuous strumpet, you

Now how is anyone here going to take anything you say seriously (NBers, that was strictly rhetorical) from this point forward when you admit to fabricating stinkbait posts just to elicit outraged responses?

Nugget, this is a slippery slope... some here may begin to suspect you might be an operative of the J. Fink Wilson Institute For Social Change.

But thanks for all the personal healthcare information... now if I could just get your Social Security number and home address, I'll be on my way.

You cannot be that dense.

Insurance is nothing but an overly complicated game of chance. The insurers are the bookies; if they act responsibly, their cut of the action is guaranteed. Payout to (cough) "winners" like you come from the premiums or "bets" from other players. The birthing of your children was not "free". It was paid for, primarily, by other players. To see if you understand this, tell me what you think the average minimum monthly premium would be for a group of people if they each averaged $1500 a month in medical expenses? Remember to pay the bookie on top of this. And please don't tell me your employer or Santa Clause is picking up the difference between your actual medical expenses and your premiums/co-pays.

 

Healthcare...Food...Education...Housing... - What sprouted as free for some is maturing into a free-for-all.

Gun Control Act of 1968

Wasn't it largely democRATS that passed the Gun Control Act of 1968? And is it my imagination, or did it bear striking similarities to Nazi gun laws? Nevermind the fact, that it is democRATS that conjured up the idea of silencing the opposition, namely 'talk radio'.  

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

Really nwahs? Prove it

And your link doesn't come close. Rush is not limiting his comparison to the third reich. YOU are. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

He doesn't have to limit himself to the Third Reich

The Third Reich is not known for its text book failure of socialism, its known for genocide. Thats why Rush is drawing parallels to the Third Reich and not, oh I dunno - Sweden?

Rush himself stated on 8-10-09, he has adopted the tactics of the left. Now I know you don't like it, and you can stomp your feet all you want, but thats the way it is. Its no accident that Rush is comparing Obamacare to Hitler's Nazism, and its not meant to compare Obamacare to generic socialism. Its meant to use the same tactic as the left used against George W. Bush for 8 years. Its meant, its designed to created a false comparison between Obamacare and Hitler's genocide regime. Its on purpose. Rush said so on 8-10-09.

"I'm responding in kind."

Now you are going to sit there and say it isn't so?

Edit: I got the quote wrong. Its "Finaly I'm hitting back in kind. I'm not surprised they don't like it." Its at the end of the clip here.

http://mediamatters....

 

Well Rush, should I like it? Should anyone like that you think the left's tactics that you have abhored, the tactics that made false comparisons,  are alright for you?

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

nwahs

The fall of the third reich is the epitome of the failure of socialism. Why do you think if ended at first with the suicide of hitler, and ultimately the fall of the "Wall"? 

The fall of the third reich is the ultimate repudiation of socialism. That Rush is tired of the liberal bullshit is to expected. He is smarter than all of those aligned against him. They have tried to shut him up and shout him down for twenty years plus. It hasn't worked.

Kinda reminds me of how liberals tried to convince me that Bush was dumb, while all the time he beat them on the legislation he wanted most. Think about it, the liberals promised time and time again not fund the war, not to allow immunity for phone companies that turned over records of calls suspect to the Patriot Act. Yet the legislation passed. Even when dems had majorities. 

The last eight years showed just how stupid liberals really are. 

Face it, we see though your bullshit, but feel free to continue to claim you are somehow more conservative than we. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

The word Nazi comes from the words National Socialism. Rush

pointed this out on his show and then asked his audience to compare the people in favor of big government and the collective to people in favor of smaller government and the individual.  (I paraphrase)  One of these groups commonly refer to the other group as Nazis.  Sounds like something the psychologists call "projection" to me.  I'm sure "birdbrain" up there who uses Media Matters for his information source would disagree.  Jim Webster

I used Media Matters as host of a clip

Listen jackass, I used Media Matters as the host of the clip. If you are so profoundly stupid to not realize the host of the clip doesn't change the content of the clip, your idiocy is your problem, not mine.

Now if you can show Rush's 24/7 content of the clip is different that Media Matters  content of clip, you have substance to argue. Otherwise, birdbrain, you're blowing crap.

If Rush wants to draw parallels between Obamcare and generic socialized medicine, there are ample systems to compare it to. Rush wants to draw parallels to Obamacare and Hitler, The Third Reich, Nazi Germany 1930 - 1942, GENOCIDE. Rush said he was replying "in kind" to the left attacks on the Bush administration.  Got it birdbrain? Rush has adopted the LEFT's tactics.

Now I'm supposed to condone that why?  Because Rush is cute? Bad behavior is bad behavior and bullsh*t is bullsh*t.  Disagree all you want with health care reform, and the Iraq war. But don't, and I don't care who the hell you are, equate it with genocide.
Its not genocide, jackass.

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

to be fair, nwahs

I understand your basic point, which is why I've avoided this conversation thus far. We do have to be careful about tossing words like Nazi, especially if you only plan on doing to get back at the other guy.

But that said, I would like to see the video or text from an unbiased place, simply because of the stain of seeing MM on the site. Sorry, but that's the way it is. I don't link to Hot Air to convince someone in a debate, even when it is a video.

That's pretty standard message board protocol.

 

If someone has Rush 24/7

They can post the transcript. Media Matter hosts a clip, an audio clip of the segment. I heard the segment live, and the clip Media Matters hosts is not doctored. It is edited. It cuts off before Rush gets to the part where Hitler gains absolute control. But the clip that is there is not doctored, and I defy anyone to post a clip or transcript from Rush 24/7 to show the Media Matters clip is doctored.

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

Why Candance?

If the shoe fits???

Rush is not accusing them of genocide. He is showing the parallel of the rise of naziism before the final solution. 

And besides, the left has been calling us nazis for longer than I can remember, but their policies more resemble 1930's-1940's Germany than do ours. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

"Disagree all you want with

"Disagree all you want with health care reform, and the Iraq war. But don't, and I don't care who the hell you are, equate it with genocide."

False premise. No one here disagrees with reforming health care....we disagree with government run health care. Government run health care is genocide.

The "conservative" strikes again

nwahs once again claims he is conservative, yet he blasts, badmouths and slams conservatives constantly, such as Rush. 

Indeed, he compared His Majesty The Shahinshah's health care logo to such imagery from the Third Reich.  Extreme?  Maybe.  But he has a point.  His Majesty The Shahinshah likes to use imagery and symbolism reminiscent of dictatorships, like it or not.  Besides, He has made it plain that He wants to rule the United States, not govern it.

Maybe if you stopped badmouthing and slamming conservatives as constantly as you do, people might take your hollow claims to being a conservative more seriously.  But as it stands...I for one can't, and never have, and at this rate never will.

By the way, listen to more than the first hour of his show.  You might get something out of it.  I don't agree with everything he says by a long shot, but he can make some good points even when I disagree with him.     

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Rush isn't a conservative

He's an opportunist.Thats my opinion of course but I really believe that after listening to Rush for about 20 years. Its a family act. I don't expect you to agree with that.

Indeed, he compared His Majesty The Shahinshah's health care logo to such imagery from the Third Reich. 

And thats what I put in my first post on this subject. As long as he uses those comparisons, there will be misunderstandings, he will be attacked for it, and he deserves it - just as the left deserved being attacked for the same stuff when they did it to Bush.

What followed was a bunch of denial that Rush was comparing health care reform to Hitler's regime. That accounts for all the posts proving thats exactly what he's doing, and he's doing it on purpose , having adopted the tactics of the left. 

Truth is truth. Thats whats going on. I am conservative. The only difference between most commenters here and I is I don't believe in entitlement. Some people here think its wrong Ed Shultz (for example) to act like an ass, but quite alright for Rush or Levin to act like an ass. I don't believe that

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

Bizarro Shawn

He's an opportunist.Thats my opinion of course but I really believe that after listening to Rush for about 20 years.

 

Wow.  And he's kept it up for 20 years?

 

If you want to see an opportunist, look at Dick Morris.  Now he is an opportunist! (and a weasel)  But, credit where credit is due.  That weasel *knows* what he's talking about.

No he hasn't!

 No he hasn't kept it up for 20 years. He's managed to separate his personal life from his shtick. Thats a good thing to do :)

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

They were right....you are

They were right....you are a troll. And not a very bright one at that. 

It is not the logo, it is Obama health care!

Limbaugh: "Steve Gilbert at Sweetness & Light heard my reaction to the Obama health
care logo the other day.  I mentioned something about it reminded me of
Germany in 1942, the shape of the logo, the people."

So to paraphrase, Limbaugh said "the [ObamaCare] people... reminded me of Germany in 1942."

This is not confusion about what he said. Limbaugh said it clearly. He said that the ObamaCare people reminded him of Nazi Germany. Then he had somebody superimpose a swastika onto the ObamaCare logo.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_080609/content/01125106.guest.html

The saddest thing is that Limbaugh has seen the universal symbol for medicine and somehow seen the enemy. Perhaps it's because his doctors are prescribing himup again?

As a matter of indisputable

As a matter of indisputable fact, Limbaugh was reacting to the Speak of the House calling fellow citizens "nazis" because they dissented from her.

He went on a riff saying well, if THAT'S THE GAME, let's see how much Pelosi and her ilk used the tactics and rhetoric and ideas of the actual German National Socialist party.

So he started listing to them.

That's the fact. And I know because I was listening to the show when he did it.

So guess what. If leftist kooks don't want to be called Nazi-like themselves, then STOP calling conservatives Nazis.

Thanks Barack: from post-racial to most-racial in just six months!

No, lets stick to whats true

If you want to say Pelosi is off base, nut, out of line, even un-American, for calling protesters un-American, I'm all for that.

But Pelosi didn't call them Nazis. She said they were carrying signs with swastikas, and some were indeed doing that. There are pictures.

Rush said Pelosi stated protesters were wearing swastikas. Thats a lie. She never said that, and since there is a video of what she said, its stupid and dubious to walk into a debate with a lie, a lie that can quite easily be proven a lie.

This isn't an argument of opinion, its an argument of fact. If you have a video or sound bite of Pelosi saying protesters were wearing swastikas, post it because no one else can find one. I do have link of Rush saying Pelosi said the protester were wearing the swastikas. No one gets a free pass to use BS. Or do you think some should?

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

Yes. Let's stick to what's true.

  You are the only one talking about Pelosi saying people were wearing swastikas here. You. No one else. You. Not Rush. You. You bring it up. You talk about it. You whine about it. You.

  You bring it up as though there is some HUGE difference between wearing a swastika and carrying one. That way, you can carry not wear a banner that proclaims you have a monopoly on the truth.

  Here is a banner I carry. You are an idiot. You do not carry idiot. You do not wear idiot.

  So thanks for climbing up on the soapbox and pointing out the difference between carrying a sibn and wearing a sign. Now we all know that there is a huge distinction. Nancy Pelosi says people carry signs. Ok for the whiner nhaws. Rush says Nancy says people wear signs. nwahs says Oh mother of Gawd! This will not stand! Give me a gun, I am going a shootin'!

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

JWF -- he's making a virtue

JWF -- he's making a virtue of making disctinctions without difference.

A pointless exercise as every conservative under the sun has been called a Nazi by Pelosi and her ilk since the ark.

Thanks Barack: from post-racial to most-racial in just six months!

And you are just wrong.

You are the only one talking about Pelosi saying people were wearing
swastikas here. You. No one else. You. Not Rush. You. You bring it
up. You talk about it. You whine about it. You. 

This is from Rush's show 8-10-09

"Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House of Representatives, started this by telling TV cameras and microphones that Americans are showing  up to protest health care were showing up wearing swastikas. Thats saying they're Nazis"

Here's the sound clip. If you don't like Media Matters, get the clip off of Rush 24/7. That is exactly what Rush said.

http://mediamatters....

Now here is a link to what Pelosi said.

http://www.realclear...

She clearly states people are "carrying swatstikas and symbols like that to town hall meetings."

http://djrimaging.sm...

http://radioactiveli...

Facts are facts and its hard to argue against them.

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

I take Pelosi as implying

I take Pelosi as implying that those protesting Obama at Townhall meet are NAZIS.

And so do most conservatives who have heard Mrs Mussolini and Rush.  And you can type-type until you're blue in the fingers.

We just DON'T AGREE with you. We don't agree with your take. Get it?

Thanks Barack: from post-racial to most-racial in just six months!

Thats the great thing about facts

You don't have to agree, its still a fact. When you can stare at objective evidence and deny it, well, you've reached a unique stage of consciousness. 

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

for the last 8 years under Bush

conservatives & republicans were nazis...  with our evil fascist corporations and all our mega lobbyist self interest greed and stomping on all those poor people.

Now with a new era in politics we're just political terrorists and racists with flags with swastikas on them that hate our president because he's black.  And we should just get the heck out of the way and let the good folks in congress clean up our mess.  But we're not nazis anymore.  Nope.

___________________________________________ 
"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax"  - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15

Limp Brained

 I don't think the o=Dumb-uh bots are nazi types, i think they are just "limp brained", are maybe their brain has a "limp". Howsomever, the seeds of nazi-ism could be there in some of the groups supportin o=Dumb-uh.

(grins)  kilrod

Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier

I don't think naziism is

I don't think naziism is there literally either - they'd just die if they suspected it were so. It's the mind set and political philosophy that's there leading to some form of fascism - maybe not the militaristic or nationalistic kind (perish that thought) - but fascism can come in all sorts of forms, whether planned and recognized or not. 

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

"Obama logo"

Can you imagine, I mean Can you imagine, CAN YOU IMAGINE if President Bush had gone around sticking a damn "W" over everything?  Believe me, this psychotic narcissist wants to change the stars and stripes.  If he had one shred of humility and respect for the office he holds that Reagan had an "official Obama health care logo" controversy would not be a controversy because there wouldn't be one.

You sound like one of these people.

On the October 15 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Bob Grant said: "[W]hat is that flag that Obama's been standing in front of that looks like an American flag, but instead of having the field of 50 stars representing the 50 states, there's a circle?" He then said: "Is the circle the 'O' for Obama? Is that what it is?" Grant later said: "[D]id you notice Obama is not content with just having several American flags, plain old American flags with the 50 states represented by 50 stars? He has the 'O' flag. And that's what that 'O' is. That's what that 'O' is."

 

John Cole also noted a Townhall commenter who was outraged that Obama would "change" the American flag: "I don't want to hear any looney left comments that they are only decoration. They ARE a modification of the American flag." (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_10/015233.php)

Do you remember that, when he spoke in Ohio, in front of the America Flag, and the Ohio State flag? People ACTUALLY thought (I'm sure you too) that Obama had created his own flag. IT WAS THE OHIO STATE FLAG. As long as Obama doesn't unveil a 'mission accomplished' sign before the mission is actually accomplished it will be fine. 

Flag? And a Happy Vero Possimus to you

What would be the size of an ego, in cubic yards please, that would think a candidate could design and use his own Presidential Seal even before he was elected?

And then go further by inventing "Office of the President Elect" several months later? 

oooh, one of "those"

oooh, one of "those" people.  Man, if I used words like that, the left would be all over me.

There is a nationalist

There is a nationalist socialist party in America and there are Nazi's in America and they have been here for a while, and no they aren't the Liberal democrats that are being called Nazi's and Socialist today. 

They are white supremacist groups, do you honestly think Barack Obama fits under that category, they preach hate and making America 'pure' with non-Jewish whites.

Looking up their website  (http://www.nsm88.org/25points/25pointsengl.html)  'American National Socialism' has 25 points, their ideal constitution. About health care they say:

14. {We demand the treasonable system of health care be completely revolutionized.

We demand an end to the status quo in which people die or rot away from lack of proper treatment due to the failure of their medical coverage, Health Maintenance Organization, or insurance policy.

We further demand the extensive development of insurance for old age and that prescription drugs be made both affordable and accessible.}

Yes, I know that sounds like what Democrats are saying today, 'an end to the status quo' making prescription drugs both affordable and accessible' but because of that similarity it is still wrong to call liberals and democrats Nazi or socialist.

And if you do, keep in mind that on that list of the American National Socialism there are also republican ideals.

20. { The state must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers, infants, and the unborn: By prohibiting abortion and euthanasia, except in cases of rape, incest, race-mixing, or mental retardation}

 21. { We demand the right to bear arms for law-abiding citizens.}

Democrats are not Socialist or Nazi's, they are Democrats. Disagree if you want, but conjuring up the image's of Nazism, like Rush has, is wrong.   

The Nazi symbol and the Obama health care symbol comparison is stupid, that is like saying the Nazi flag is like the American flag their both rectangle. Or Hitler and Rush look similar both have two eyes, a nose and a mouth. It is a ridiculous comparison, they both have wings, and a circle.  

 

 

24e, OOOHHHH white supremacist groups ea, AKA democrats

democrat racism, re-write history if you can...hurry opps times up!

You are soo right ! They are democrats, you said....

Democrats are not Socialist or Nazi's, they are Democrats. 

here is some HISTORY...

If anything, Barack Obama’s presidential candidacy will
spotlight just who’s been the premiere racists in America today, just
as their self-revised history proves it’s always been: the Democrat
Party...

It was the Democrat Party that created the Ku Klux Klan as an enforcement arm to terrorize Black and White Republicans.

Note: John Wilkes Booth, a Democrat, assassinated Republican
President Abraham Lincoln for his freeing of slaves, so this kind of
has precedent.

Reagan VS Liberalism

Debunked

IF as in a uncertain possibility, WILL as in has yet to happen. 

Here is some HISTORY... and then you start with IF and Will (future tense). Was, now that is the correct tense to talk HISTORY.

The southern democrats supported and were endorse by the KKK, but it hasn't been for about 50 years. Wasn't LBJ, a democrat, that provided the largest civil rights laws, in the 60's?

The Democrat party of the 1800s and early 1900s are two different parties. It has changed. Is there any recent 'examples' of the Democrat party being 'racist'. 

NOTE: If John Wilkes Booth would have voted in this past election, he would have voted REPUBLICAN.  

Wasn't LBJ, a democrat,

Wasn't LBJ, a democrat, that provided the largest civil rights laws, in the 60's?

 

He only got those through Congress with GOP help, even though the Democrats controlled both houses.  Pesky details.

 

"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media.-- Lowell Ponte

Then can't the same be said

Then can't the same be said of most legislation, hasn't Obama had GOP help passing his bills, even though the democrats controlled both houses? 

 

He hasn't had half the

He hasn't had half the Democrats voting against his Bills.

LBJ provided the civil rights laws in the 60's, you say

That civil rights law passed because for the first time in Democrat party history more than 50% of the dem lawmakers voted yes on civil rights, if I remember right.  Republicans voted something like 80% in favor.  All LBJ had to do was sign it.

You're right delmar

And actually those percentages hold true back the the '60's...the 1860's. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Those shameless Democrats taking credit for everything

It's reminding me of how steamed I was a few months back when Obama and all the dems were talking about President Lincoln all the time trying to make it sound like he was one of them.

24 e, here is some 21st. century stuff (2008).. same link..

Many are still incensed by Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell’s editorial
board comments in Monday’s Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: "You've got
conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are
probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate.”

That,
along with the introduction of race as a component of the Democrat
presidential nomination process, has alarmed many liberals who believed
they were above all that. I contend, that kind of thinking is in their
blood. As far as Rendell’s comments, he’s more ignorant than racist. Since “conservative whites” are… conservative, the chances they would vote for a Democrat in the first place is slim.
Conservative whites will probably vote Republican, so Rendell’s is a
fallacious premise. The fact that he got specific and said that some
whites “are probably not ready to vote for an African-American”
reflects badly on those who feel themselves the embodiment of positive
race relations.

If anything, Barack Obama’s presidential
candidacy will spotlight just who’s been the premiere racists in
America today, just as their self-revised history proves it’s always
been: the Democrat Party.

Reagan VS Liberalism

The fact is that some, not

The fact is that some, not all, whites didn't vote for Obama simply because he is black, just as some, not all, voted for Obama because he is black, just as some, not all, didn't vote for Obama because he is a Democrat, just as some, not all, did vote for Obama because he was a Democrat. 

I live in rural Missouri I have heard some say that they 'wouldn't vote for a N-word' Do you honestly think that race wasn't a factor in Obama's election? Do you honestly think that no one in America is racist? There are Neo-Nazi's in America, there are KKK groups that march in parades to this day shouting white power. (since apparently Democrats are Nazi like, do you think that these groups voted for Obama. Seeing how they're both Nazis.)

For positive race relation you can't just ignore race, it is the proverbial elephant in the room. With every generation in America race relations have become better and better, but it will probably never be perfect. As long as America is free that is the way it will remain. 

Me personally I don't care that Obama was the first black president, or Sotomayor is the first Latina SC justice all I care about is their qualifications and how they will serve their office.

I have never shouted 'racist' at those that oppose Obama policy. Unless it is some of the 'jokes' I have heard about Obama that are racial jokes.

 

The answer to your question is YES!!!


There are Neo-Nazi's in America, there are KKK groups that march in
parades to this day shouting white power. (since apparently Democrats
are Nazi like, do you think that these groups voted for Obama. Seeing
how they're both Nazis.)

Dude NAZI is an Acronym = National Socialist German Workers.. What part of SOCIALISM do you not get, sheesh...

Reagan VS Liberalism

So you think that the

So you think that the white supremacist voted for a black president.

I have some land down in Florida I would like to sell you, if your interested.   

The president in office is a SOCIALIST...

The KKK is a wing of the democrat party...

It was the Democrat Party that created the Ku Klux Klan as an enforcement arm to terrorize Black and White Republicans. 

However, not once did he tell his students that the
abolitionists would eventually become the Republican Party, and that
almost all of those presidents who were slave owners were proud
Democrats


 

So the KKK and Neo-Nazi are

So the KKK and Neo-Nazi are for stricter gun control? NO. Are they for amnesty for immigrants? NO. Are they in favor of abortion? NO.

The KKK began as a democrat group but today, the KKK political leaning is FAR RIGHT. 

Are they conservative? NO. Are they liberal? NO. They have their own special party to which not millions are affiliated with anymore.

 

Who are you trying to

Who are you trying to kid?

'amnesty for immigrants' ?   Why do they need amnesty?  Could this be because they are actually invaders, lawbreakers, criminals?

' but today, the KKK '   is represented in the US Senate by exactly one person, Robert Byrd, a Democrat.

'are they for stricter gun control'  I am not aware that the Klan, during its existence, ever took a position on gun control.   Nazis are absolutely in favor of strict gun control, both in Germany and here.  They disarmed everyone who was not a Nazi.  The neo-nazis share this agenda.

'are they in favor of abortion'   ?  Similarly, I am not aware that the Klan, during the years it existed, ever took a position on abortion.  I don't think you know this either.  The Nazis on the other hand most certainly favored abortion as a part of their eugenics campaign.  Defectives, as defined by Nazi ideology,  and potential defectives were aborted if possible or failing that, euthanized afterwards. 

Do you really know so little about these subjects?  How is it possible for you to have an informed opinion when you are so hopelessly misinformed?

Hopelessly misinformed

If you look that up in the dictionary, you'll find a pic of 24, and a whole raft of the DKos talking points.

I am enjoying your takedown, though.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Blonde:

Dr. Martin Luther Enak, Jr., Race Expert

Let us now review Dr. Enak's "facts."

"Some, not all, blacks voted for Obama because he is black."

BS. Obama got 95% of the black vote. Statistically speaking, that's pretty much "all."

"Some, not all, whites didn't vote for Obama simply because he is black."

Your "some" is a tiny, tiny minority. In 2006, the black population of the US was approx. 14%. Whites, 74%. Obama could never have been elected if an overwhelming percentage of whites hadn't completely disregarded race.

"Neo-Nazis and KKK groups march in parades to this day shouting white power."

Big whoop. NAMBLA still exists, too, and they probably march in as many parades as the Klan. Neo-nazis and the KKK are pitifully small fringe demographic, measured in the tens-of-thousands at the most.

"With every generation in America race relations have become better and better."

Yes, perhaps... until Obama, who has set about singlehandedly setting race relations back 50 years, either due to abject ignorance, or, worse a calculated plan to use the race card at every turn to further his own ambitions and agenda.

Do you know the definition

Do you know the definition of all? 95% wouldn't be all, that would mean 5% didn't vote for Obama. You can't say 'I'm 100% pretty much sure" it doesn't make sense.

I never said the majority of whites voted against Obama because he was black, I said SOME, some obviously didn't because groups like the KKK and Neo-Nazis still exist.

Are you a moron, Obama has set race relations back 50 years? That is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard? When has Obama used the race card, I don't think him himself has used the race card. 

Dr. Martin Luther Enak, Jr: Race relations now vastly improved

You're calling ME a moron? Obama HAS set race relations back 50 years... there's not been a single issue that has not been race-ified by this creep and his cronies.

Logoff off NB for a while, look around and catch up. EVERYTHING, no matter how mundane, now has a racial component; and it has nothing whatsoever to do with Americans hating a black president because he is black.

And just because I cannot produce an actual photo of Obama holding up a big "race card" like a ref at a soccer match doesn't mean squat. They know exactly what they are doing; his admin cronies, his allies, his drones and the MSM.

ps: to most people, 95% "is pretty much all" 

Why are you so defensive? Democrats are also known as...

Liberals, just as Republicans are known as Conservatives.  Some Republicans aka RINOS lean towards Liberalism and some Democrats aka "Blue Dogs" lean towards Conservatism.  Unfortunately, of late, with the most Liberal President ever elected, most Democrats have gone over to the Liberal side and beyond.  We're talking Socialism here.  If Obama succeeds in turning our health care system over to the government we will have become France with close to 50% of our economy under government control and 100% of our government indebted to China.  The next 6 months or so are crucial to our future.  Hang on America!  It's going to be a bumpy ride.  Jim Webster

You're a Nazi. You're like

You're a Nazi. You're like Hitler. 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you defensive?

 

Whatever,

You're an idiot, and prove it with every post. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

How can someone who's

How can someone who's clearly against a too-powerful government having too much control over its people be a Nazi?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

RR

I would say that 24 was being facetious, but I doubt he knows what that is. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

You underestimate me,

You underestimate me, facetious mean sarcastic, witty, comical, or perhaps more appropriately a smartass. 

Apparently RR didn't know, as that went over his/her head.  

I am on vacation or I would pound on my new little friend more.

1 : joking or jesting often inappropriately : waggish <just being facetious>
2 : meant to be humorous or funny : not serious <a facetious remark>

pop a word into google all by itself and the definition is usually in the top of the links. You got it wrong skippy. Close but no cigar. 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Your wrong.

No I didn't. And I didn't even have to look it up, when you had to look it up look at the synonyms. 

You are trying my patience Skippy.

  I see you are making some serious efforts to act respectable and now you are backsliding.

facetious mean sarcastic, witty, comical, or perhaps more appropriately a smartass.  - No it does not. I supplied the exact definition. It is not sarcasm or witticism. comical,  little bit. smartass possibly.

Your wrong - That is a lie, Skippy. I posted the exact definition. Oh, it is you're. It is a contraction of the words you & are.

 when you had to look it up look at the synonyms. - you said facetious mean sarcastic... It is means Skippy, means.

mean 2 : to serve or intend to convey, show, or indicate : signify <a red sky means rain>

    You did not say nearly means. You said mean(s).

Synonym 1 : one of two or more words or expressions of the same language that have the same or nearly the same meaning in some or all senses

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

And we all know for positively positive sure that 24enak

posted this exact same comment on dkos, huffpo, etc. during the eight years Pres. Bush was called a nazi and hitler. sarc/off

 

"...it must be known that we are at all times ready for war." G. Washington

I don't vist those sites,

I don't vist those sites, Newsbusters, MediaMatters, Thinkprogress and NB is the only one a comment on. Also I have never called Bush a Nazi for the record and underoath. 

sorry, my comment was posted too far down to make sense, 24.

I meant your treatise on socialism.  Surely you would have defended Bush against the false 'Hitler" claims etc. just as vehemnently as you defended BO.  Or not? Hm-m-m?  According to your lecture, Bush did not fit the definition either. 

 

"...it must be known that we are at all times ready for war." G. Washington

Yes I would, and will. Like

Yes I would, and will. Like I said I don't visit those other sites, I'm sure they called Bush a Nazi amongst various other dubious names. Name calling hasn't a place for legitimate debate. Bush was as much like Hitler, as Obama is. 

 

Thank you for responding, enak.

The other point I was attempting to make was that there were well-known people out there calling Bush and his policies nazi-like (people who have a MUCH BIGGER public platform than you and I).  Am too tired to give you a link, sorry.  And I honestly wonder if you defended Bush back then.  Going to sleep now, don't mean to ignore your responding post.  Good night.

 

"...it must be known that we are at all times ready for war." G. Washington

Being from the Show-Me state

Being from the Show-Me state I would like to see these well known people. 

good night, and good luck.  

look at the first page this morning on NB, enak

"...it must be known that we are at all times ready for war." G. Washington

BOS:Dr. Martin Luther Enak Jr. hails from the "Link Me" state

Dr. Martin Luther Enak Jr. hails from the "Link Me" state. so we're going to needing you to embed a link to said front page.

SoL - posting to enak drains all the energy out of me for some

reason, so I am done with him.  Google this, enak:  'bush-hitler-celebrities'  You will get all the articles your baby troll heart desires.

 

 

"...it must be known that we are at all times ready for war." G. Washington

Yes I know both sides have

Yes I know both sides have held sign portraying both Bush and Obama as Hitler. I googled images and typed in "bush hitler" and there was 1.9 million results, and then I typed in "obama hitler" and 1.7 million results showed. 

My biggest problem is with the various Fox News commentators comparing Obama to Hitler. I thought you would have provided a link to someone in the 'MSM' comparing Bush to Hitler.

 

You're kidding yourself.

You're kidding yourself. Democrats for the most part are socialists. The ones running the show now without a doubt are. 

"There is a nationalist socialist party in America and there are
Nazi's in America and they have been here for a while, and no they
aren't the Liberal democrats that are being called Nazi's and Socialist
today. 

They are white supremacist groups, do you honestly think Barack
Obama fits under that category, they preach hate and making America
'pure' with non-Jewish whites."

Well....I do seem to recall Barack Obama sitting in a anti-Jewish church for 20 years. Probably nothing to it though.

 

A more perfect union.

"we've heard my former pastor...use incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation; that rightly offend white and black alike.

I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely — just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country — a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America..

 I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother — a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.

 The profound mistake of Reverend Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country — a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old — is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past.

By itself, that single moment of recognition between that young white girl and that old black man is not enough. It is not enough to give health care to the sick, or jobs to the jobless, or education to our children.

But it is where we start. It is where our union grows stronger. And as so many generations have come to realize over the course of the two-hundred and twenty one years since a band of patriots signed that document in Philadelphia, that is where the perfection begins." 

You posted this standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial?

But thanks for providing yet another glaring example of that what Obama says has nothing whatsoever to do with what he actually does.

Parallels

I can see parallels between Obama, the democrats and socialist Germany. Both want to control medical care, industries and the media. Their is a Csar in charge of executive pay raises. Last I read there are 50 csars in charge of various things. No one really knows what they do. Might be too late when we find out!

The problem is that people are trying to equate socialism with the (I hope) rotting slowly in hell, Adolph Hitler.

Hitler (D)

You have to admit that it's hillarious to see hypocrite democRATS get a dose of their own medicine. Now, that the target is a democRAT, the term is declared offensive by those that used it against Bush for eight years.

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

It was wrong for them to do it to Bush

 It was wrong for protesters to compare George W. Bush to Hitler and the Third Reich, and it is wrong for Rush to compare health care reform to the Third Reich. Rush doesn't have an entitlement to do that. Yesterday, he stated he was adopting the tactics the left used against Bush for 8 years. Well guess what? Its just as pitiful, and he's just as much of a jackass as the left was for 8 years. I don't care who he is, he gets no free pass. Is he going to adopt the tactics of a thief or a fraud next? Bad behavior is bad behavior, and I don't care if its Pelosi spewing BS or Rush spewing BS.

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

Sanctimonious claptrap

Yeah.. yeah.. yeah.. of course liberals say that after, either participating or remaining silent for eight years, labeling Bush a Nazi or identifying him as Hitler.    

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

Where were you when the Liberals were slandering Bush? Now...

that he is out of office, you say it was wrong.  How big of you!  I listen to Rush every day and the Rush you describe is not someone I recognize.  To throw the disaster on wheels Pelosi overboard is easy, even for a Lib like you, but to equate her with Rush is ludicrous.  Today Rush did something you Libs never do.  He gave Obama the benefit by saying his words, that the Post Office is poorly run, while UPS and FederalExpress are well run, may have been taken out of context.  It was obvious that those words by Obama did not compute in lieu of his push for government run universal health care.  Jim Webster

no-balls and Rush

no-balls has RDS, obviously. That's his one issue - bashing Rush where and whenever he believes that there's an opportunity. But of course, he doesn't listen to him. Either not at all, or to the degree that a ditto head does.

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

"That's his one issue - bashing Rush..."

Sounds like someone who just picks the biggest target around to attack. It gets him more attention that way. Kind of a bizarro-coattail effect, maybe?

 

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

Mentally ill

I was thinking more of a psychosis of some kind.

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

 Spoken by the the man who

Spoken by the the man who lives with his head in other people's crotches.

 
no-balls has RDS, obviously.

 Get out of my crotch, pervert.

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

I was posting on this forum

I was posting on this forum saying it was wrong! When David Letterman did his stupid little President speeches shtick making fun of the President's speaking I was on this forum saying it was mean spirited and wrong. If you contend I'm a hypocrite its YOUR job to post proof of me condoning that crap. YOUR job.

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

One trick pony

David Letterman?? lol.. Blah! Blah! Blah!..

So, you didn't condone the Nazi references, you just remained silent? Same thing idiot.

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

No nwahs

YOU asserted that you thought it was wrong to label Bush a nazi, so you link to the posts to prove it. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Rush - Misrepresented?

What . . .

A . . .

Surprise.

Even when it comes down to Doctor Krauthammer misrepresenting Rush, I'm going to side with Rush.  Rush is in a very unique position to have an unobstructed ''view'' of Washington critters.  He doesn't, for the most part, participate in all of their ''reindeer games'' and could care less.  He's fairly autonomous. He doesn't make a good deal of his living appearing with Leftist mouthpieces on TV. He doesn't have to schmooze with the slimy Left.

All of that leaves Rush free to comment on what he actually believes as opposed to what others ''think'' is happening.

Ya gotta love him for that alone.

Tell me that Obama and his

Tell me that Obama and his handlers haven't studied Hitler and the Nazi Party.

The swastika is a very easy symbol to draw, paint, whatever and the way it was displayed usually as being black, in a white circle surrounded by a field of red was very powerful...negative for most of us, positive for a few, but powerful nonetheless. Those three colors were from the imperial German flag. 

The Obama swastika-like thingy is also simple and easy to draw. And it does use red, white and blue which is similar to the Nazis' use of the imperial flag rather than the red, gold and black of the Weimar flag.  That is, it's not a neutral color and invokes the idea of traditional values and patriotism.  But the use of the "O" is what makes it non-traditional and implies imperial narcissism reminiscent of the stylized "N" of Napoleon's reign.

In short, the "O" thing bugs me.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

The ''O'' Thing

Name a politician using their own special stylized symbol.  And uses huge pictures of themselves.  And has several ''Organizing'' websites and organizations (or newspapers / newsletters and sycophant groups) hyping themselves and their ''visions''. Okay, now tell me why this person would go through that ''personality cult'' thing.

Now tell me who, in the past, have used these same techniques?

Slow down there Skippy. Where is Skippy? Hello? Skippy?

  24enak is trying. I wish we knew how old he is. He does try.

People ACTUALLY thought (I'm sure you too) that Obama had created his own flag. - Don't put words in peoples mouths, Skippy. The issue has been his logo. He created a logo that resembled the Presidential logo. Only you were concerned with flag issues.

John Cole also noted a Townhall commenter... - You are quoting from a leftist. No one cares about John Cole here. No one cares about leftist commenting on commenters on another site. Is John Cole going to complain that I call you Skippy? I am a commenter talking to another commenter.

Do you remember that, when he spoke in Ohio, in front of the America Flag, and the Ohio State flag?  - No Skippy, we don't.  Dear sweet lord, with all that is going on, this is what you bring up. Further, we don't care.

As long as Obama doesn't unveil a 'mission accomplished' sign before the mission is actually accomplished - You are torquing the Vet again Skippy. The Vet spent 20 years in the Navy and can adequately address mission accomplishments.

 mission - 4 a : a specific task with which a person or a group is charged b (1) : a definite military, naval, or aerospace task <a bombing mission> <a space mission> (2) : a flight operation of an aircraft or spacecraft in the performance of a mission <a mission to Mars> c : a preestablished and often self-imposed objective or purpose <statement of the company's mission>

  A plane takes off from a carrier. It's mission is to bomb a specific target. It does this and comes back. Mission Accomplished.

  A platoon is tasked with going to a particular location and taking out the enemy. It does. Mission Accomplished.

  A Boomer goes out and patrols a certain area of the Atlantic for six months. It returns when it is finished. Mission Accomplished.

  Ricky Recruit is tasked with cleaning the shitters. He does a wonderful job and the shitters shine. Mission Accomplished.

  JWF has a mission to turn 24enak into a productive useful member here at NewsBusters. Mission not yet accomplished.

  Missions come in all sizes, big and small. The Mission of the United States Armed Forces was to bring down the government of Saddam Hussien and defeat his Army. That mission was accomplished. I respectfully suggest you walk back your statement now, Skippy.

there are Nazi's in America and they have been here for a while, and no they aren't the Liberal democrats - That is a straw man fallacious argument Skippy. Look it up. No one here is saying Nazi's in America are liberal democrats.

They are white supremacist groups, do you honestly think Barack Obama fits under that category - Another straw man Skippy. People are saying his logos/symbols resemble Nazi paraphernalia

...keep in mind that on that list of the American National Socialism there are also republican ideals. - #21 is a right in the Constitution Skippy. 21. { We demand the right to bear arms for law-abiding citizens.} Hardly a sole Republican ideal.

Democrats are not Socialist or Nazi's, they are Democrats - Straw man Skippy. You are repeating the same straw man arguments. It also falls under the Argumentum ad infinitum. Repeating something endlessly does not make it less of a Straw Man argument.

The Nazi symbol and the Obama health care symbol comparison is stupid - You start saying intelligent things. We will let you pronounce things as stupid. Until then, stick to arguing facts.

...hasn't Obama had GOP help passing his bills - No Skippy, he has not. The Stimulus passed with zero Republican votes in the house. You got something, back it up Skippy.

The fact is...he is black... just as some,...voted for Obama because he is black... I...'wouldn't vote for a N-word'... Do you...think,,, race wasn't a factor? Do you...America is racist? There are Neo-Nazi's in America, there are KKK groups...Democrats are Nazi like... race relation...race...race relations - Look at you Skippy. Only uneducated liberals talk like this. The rest of us don't talk like this because we don't care. We don't care because we are not racists. So KNOCK IT OFF.

I have some land down in Florida I would like to sell you - swampland, Skippy, the cliche is swampland. swampland is worthless and only an idiot would pay good money for swampland.

The KKK began as a democrat group but today, the KKK political leaning is FAR RIGHT. - Huh? You are going back to idiot again Skippy. First of all, you seem to know way too much about the KKK and not nearly enough about the left/right political spectrum. REVERSE IT. Crazy is not on the political scale and the KKK qualifies as crazy.

When has Obama used the race card - Questions end with question marks Skippy. Don't ask people to further your argument, only stupid people ask others to further their argument. You got a point, make it and move on.

Restless1: You're an idiot, and prove it with every post.  Look. Someone else has noticed. Skippy, get off the idiot page! We are trying to help you.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.