Tina Brown is the very avatar of elite MSM opinion. So when the Daily Beast creator, late of the New Yorker and Vanity Fair, derides Sarah Palin as ignorant, it's safe to assume she's expressing a view harbored in many a liberal media breast.
On today's Morning Joe, while admitting a grudging regard for her appeal, Brown claimed Palin's confidence is based on "total ignorance."
Hosts Joe Scarborough [who last week took his own shot at Sarah's smarts] and Mika Brzezinski, if not precisely leaping to Palin's defense, did respond with some skepticism.
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JOE SCARBOROUGH: We saw some fascinating polls that actually showed Barack Obama and Sarah Palin fairly close, meeting, the LA Times says, meeting somewhere in the 40s. Do we all have a blind spot about Sarah Palin?
TINA BROWN: I think what people are responding to is that great sort of vitality, confidence. It doesn't matter that the confidence is based on a kind of total ignorance. The fact is, it's a vitality about it that people like. A kind of unequivocal, in-the-present, raw visceral quality that she has. And I think the reason that people are responding quite so profoundly is that we do have a president who does start to feel rarefied, unpassionate, with no bottom line. And I think the sort of juxtaposition of those two things is making the excitement about Palin perhaps even greater.
SCARBOROUGH: You say based on, quote, total ignorance. What do you mean?
BROWN: I mean that I think that it doesn't really matter that she doesn't know much about anything. She has this --
SCARBOROUGH: Do you know that?
BROWN: Well, she has this--everything that I've seen, read, watched, it doesn't seem to me that she has much substance to any of her arguments. It's really just about hating the others in a way. But it works for people who almost don't really care. I think they just feel, she's an alternative, everything else is too confusing. We're living in a very confusing time. Nobody really understands health care. Nobody really understands immigration. Nobody understands anything. And she just says, you know, [slaps her hands] I don't like it, I'm against it, no taxing, all these things. Very clear, black and white. And it --
MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Tina, with all due respect, don't you think there's a possibility the media is misreading her message and how she translates with people? Something we were talking about earlier.
BROWN: I think they underestimate how profound the connection is. I don't think it's just a celebrity connection. I think that profound connection is about the great discontent Americans rightly feel and how they've been stiffed. And so Sarah Palin is beginning to be the candidate of 'you were stiffed,' and it's a populism she could ride very far.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
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Scarborough, as usual,
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 08:13 ET by ThisnThatScarborough, as usual, missed an opportunity to put Tina in her place.
Scarborough should have asked Tina if she had watched the Palin interviews on Fox News this week. He didn't. And I'm positive she didn't. This could have been game-set-match. Way to blow it, Joe.
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Ditzy Bimbo
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 09:04 ET by allanfOnly a ditzy blonde bimbo would think Palin lacks substance. Perhaps the peroxide went to her head. If Palin is fair game for ad-hominem attacks so is Brown.
What is it about these unsophisticated urban elitists engaged in group think? Book smart but not street smart.
allanf
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 09:52 ET by well99You hit the nail on the head.The ceiling can be caveing in on them and they will try to fix the window.That is why they dont do anything about the economy.
Have you noticed.......?
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 12:06 ET by Patriot IIThe majority of the Sarah Palin blasters are incomplete, insecure , jealous females types? The few effeminate and wimpy males that go along.....just haven't anything else to do....they are all jealous.....so GIVE IT A REST! You will never be a Sarah Palin, get over it!
IS IT JUST ME?
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 12:37 ET by danybhoyI believe that BSNBC's arrogance is based on "total ignorance". That, & keeping what power they may have for the time being.
"...How blind can you be, don't you see...
...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."
Nightwish
Block Headed Brooks
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 13:03 ET by allanfOnce again if an David Brooks (an Arlen Spector Republican) feels that ad-hominem attacks on Palin are appropriate, I have no problem referring to him as Block Headed Brooks. He attacked Palin with the aplomb of a 5 year old.
Pat ll
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 14:06 ET by well99That is true. Maybe because Sara is a normal person not some delusional shill. Where Sara understands the average person the elitist think they need to control them for their own good. The elitist will never get it.
Hmmmm
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 09:15 ET by rjwest21Apparently, Tina Brown never saw or heard of Sarah Palin's debate vs. Joe Biden, where she mopped the floor with his plugs.
I guess Sarah should've voted Present on all the important items & gotten people all jazzed up during speeches & then the press would love her. Oh, wait, she DOES get people all jazzed up, she just takes positions on important items (positions that "journalists" like Tina Brown abhor). Here's the elephant in the room: Sarah Palin sold more books within MINUTES than Tina Brown (and David Frum, and Andrew Sullivan, etc.) have sold in their careers, collectively. And they're supposed to be professional writers. Kinda like Joe Schmoe walking onto a tennis court for the first time & winning Wimbledon, defeating all the greats; Mcenroe, Borg and Nastase would be mighty jealous.
Tina, green isn't a good shade on you. Based on the revenues of every television show you've tried to host, it seems that "red" is one that follows you the most.
→ Present
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 09:31 ET by Cool ArrowLet's not forget Barack Obama has admitted to being totally oblivious to the evil around him.
Twenty years is a long time.
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Oh the irony!
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 08:19 ET by Avus"TINA BROWN: I think what people are responding to is that great sort of vitality, confidence. It doesn't matter that the confidence is based on a kind of total ignorance."
Perfectly sums up the community organizer's "HopeandChange" campaign, doesn't it?
Avus---
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 15:59 ET by matthewdeanExactly right; a perfect description of the posprezs' campaign.
The irony, of course, will be so far over these peoples' heads that it may as well be non-existent.
It exists for the rest of us though.
Deliciously so.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
I am not sure yet that
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 08:23 ET by MassConservativeI am not sure yet that Palin could or should be our next president but I love watching the Dem and liberal elites burying their head in the sand on yet another issue (healthcare, terror trials in NYC, climate change fraud, etc).
As Obama and the dems poll numbers continue to plummet primarily because they are ignoring their constituency every one of these Republicans who connects with the public (McDonnel, Palin, Beck) has a huge forum to get the message out about how disconnected the Democrats have become and how a change is required. This is going to help spearhead the return of the Republican party in 2010.
Shove it down our throats in '09 and we will shove it up your a** in '10.
Tina Brown showing there is
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 08:25 ET by Scuba DudeTina Brown showing there is not much substance between her ears. I have listened to most of the recent Sarah Palin interviews that came with the release of her book. I have had no problem understanding what she is saying and what she believes. Tina must have the "liberal" filter on which ignores at least 3/4 of what a conservative says.
And as an aside, another poster mentioned about NB's use of the word "elite" when describing these MSM fools. I agree with the poster (whoever you are), these people are not "elite" they are "ELITIST".
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" Tacitus
"Same Old Stuff"
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 08:51 ET by mad53PAHappen to catch this on "Morning Joe" and must say was not surprised.
Tina Brown and "The Daily Beast" have long held Palin in contempt and continue to feed the notion that her appeal is based on anger and will not last.
The notion that Palin's appeal is because she fundamentally represents the views, beliefs, trials and every day life experiences of a large part of the American population will never find refuge in the minds of the left as Brown so stupidly represents.
As far as Scarborough, he doesn't seem to even bother anymore defending all of the crap his "guests" throw against conservatives.
Guess money trumps principles.
→ Tina Brown
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 09:27 ET by Cool ArrowOK, I'll admit I don't know who Tina Brown is.
I'll assume she has a famous husband because there's nothing in her responses to indicate education. "Excruciatingly incoherent"comes to mind.
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PALIN is the candidate of "you were stiffed"???
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 09:36 ET by SickofLibsIs she freakin' serious?
Tina Brown
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 09:40 ET by charlietexasFrom what she said with Joe and Mika, she represents many elites who are scared to death that she(Palin) represents their impending doom and the "experiment" of liberal power eroding. It is interesting to note that her comments about Obama and his policies say more about where they think they are than her view on Palin.
There is now a real possibility
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 09:45 ET by 10ksnookerThat the lamestream media may break their pick on Sarah, and end the whole media scam.
Richard Nixon was
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 09:50 ET by MidAmericaOr at least that's what I read in the papers
More than pretty
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 10:32 ET by TomoramaThey think they are all elites, but instead they are tagged rightfully as out of touch elitists, you betcha.
I am not saying I would vote for Palin over anyone right now, but if you actually watched some of the interviews with Greta and Bill O, they asked tough questions and she gave tough if not simplistic answers, no bullshit nuance or "I voted present gutlessness", actual viewpoints to tough questions.
Did I agree with all her answers, no, but unlike the pussy in chief she isn't afraid to say what SHE REALLY THINKS and not what we think the world wants us to think.
McCain and company smothered her and it shows how easily she sits down and does these shows now, no puffballs from Greta, Bill O or Babs Wawa.
Liberal nuance - actually means no guts no glory, no answer
A great man once said, YOU only get out of life what YOU put into it, he obviously wasn't a liberal.
Perfect Summation!
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:17 ET by TexasMom0517How well I remember how Reagan was attacked, with "Bedtime for Bonzo" being mentioned in every other sentence. In Texas, we knew that LBJ was fond of getting votes from the cemeteries in Duvall county, but in DC, he was a master of the political "deal"- clever, rather than corrupt.
There's a powerful
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 10:21 ET by MidAmericaThere's a powerful article over at American Thinker concerning how liberals treat women and Sarah Palin in particular.
My PROBLEM with PALIN
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 10:44 ET by sajc05is her supporters. like her they really don't know the issues, they know talking points.
what this VIDEO with supoerter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKKgua7wQk&feature=player_embedded#at=45...
I know for a fact that most of these people are regurgitating Limbaugh talking points and don't really know what they are saying because they could not answer one follow up question.
my problem with this is these palin supporters made conservatives look bad. I'm a conservative, libertarian on some issues, but i'm embarrassed by these people being portrayed as the conservative movement people. as well as Palin, I know i'm much smarter than her, as K know many of you are too. why should we not support a smart, well read conservative instead of her?
Ms. Brown suported a nominee
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 10:53 ET by eaglewingz08Ms. Brown suported a nominee who had never successfully run even a lemonade stand and didn't dare call his 'confidence' something based on ignorance. Gov. Palin ran a rather large state successfully and had other executive experience, i.e., she knows how to make decisions and weigh policy decisions. She even has the temeritry to suggest that she is a public servant who works for the people and not that the people worked for her government. How parochial such a view must be to democraps.
Please don't insult our
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 10:54 ET by Scuba DudePlease don't insult our intelligence sajc, you are not a conservative. Anyone reading your posts will come to the same conclusion.
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" Tacitus
Easiest way to spot a liberal?
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:26 ET by BO STINKS"as well as Palin, I know i'm much smarter than her, as K know many of you are too." The easiest way to spot a liberal: they assert their higher intelligence and reveal their obvious illiteracy at the same time (even in the same sentence!)
"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the Plain Meaning of Words!" ~Sam Adams
Yep, look for the immediate
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:37 ET by general companycontradiction, or the physically imposable statement, like "we are going to spend our way out of dept. Or "cold weather means more global warming"
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
you can't be a bush supporter and a conservative
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 13:23 ET by sajc05adding trillions to our deficits, leaving us with trillions more in debt. cheney even said we can all our spending to the deficit. now thats NOT the conservatism I grew to love.
Trillions?
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 13:49 ET by general companyI think your talking about your buddy Obama? Everyone seems to forget, that the Dems only allowed Bush to spend 300B of his bailout. The rest of this belongs to the Dems. Now if you do the simple math 400B+300B is less then a trillion.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
nice try buddy, but the
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 15:42 ET by sajc05nice try buddy, but the bailout is the only part of our debt that limbaugh talks about, but medicare part D added tens of trillions to our debt. and don't forget bush is the ONLY president to go to war and NOT pay for it while also cutting taxes. thats NOT conservative even if limbaugh tells you it is
→ sajc05
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:14 ET by Cool Arrow"My problem with Palin is her supporters. like her they really don't know the issues, they know talking points." - sajc05
Why are you here?
To Get some money
What kind of money?
Obama money!
Where did he get the money
From his stash!
Yeah, sajc05! It's them Palin supporters who are stupid.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
My posts are just trying to
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 13:28 ET by sajc05My posts are just trying to get people to STOP BEING HYPOCRITES.
people sit here and pretend that our debt and our budget deficits started on january 20th 2009. I've been trying for so long during the bush years to get people to understand he's not deserving of our defense, he sold the country out with his spending, amnesty, handouts.
you guys say you don't like any of that, BUT ONLY when a dem is in office. This partisanship has to stop. Palin does not represent, smart educated conservatives... and the video shows that.
Your so funny
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 13:55 ET by general companyThis partisanship has to stop.
Libs are always saying this, but what you really mean is we should follow the rest of the sheep to the slaughter house. As far as I am concerned, my conservative reps cant be partisan enough right now. So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Who are your conservative
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 15:46 ET by sajc05Who are your conservative reps? Who in washington is for decreased spending, balanced budgets, smaller more effective government?
and I don't mean the people who say they are, but the people who work toward this goal?
both parties in DC have sold out all of us while partisans on this board (and on the left) point fingers and say "it was all their fault"
people sit here and
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 14:08 ET by Jack BauerYou are correct. That's just the date they started to QUADRUPLE.
so bush doubling the debt
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 16:09 ET by sajc05so bush doubling the debt didn't bother you? or were you just covering your eyes and listening to everything limbaugh told you?
I for one am getting a bit sick
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:09 ET by general companyOf wild eye nitwits claiming true conservatives are to blame for the debt. BTW Rush wasnt for the spending either, but yet he doesnt claim to be a conservative like sajc,,,he is one.
Either prove Rush was for the spending, or that the majority of folks here on NB's were, or go eat your crow elsewhere.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
don't respond to me if you
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:20 ET by sajc05don't respond to me if you didn't even read my posts.
I said TRUE CONSERVATIVES are NOT to blame for our debt. Fake ones are (not all of obviously)
medicare part D, two wars, all while cutting taxes increases our debt. medicare part D might be the final nail in the coffin to our sustainability as a country. so no, I was no fan of bush. that does not mean i like obama, my guy was romney.
GO AWAY
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:24 ET by MrShy(please)
I read your lame post
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 18:23 ET by general companyFurther more, I will respond to anyone I want. You can take your elitist a$$ elsewhere if you dont like it! Romney, thats your Conservative solution? From the Rush bashing "conservative" we get Romney. Maybe you will now enlighten us poor imbeciles what the difference is between Romney and Bush? Because I know there isnt any light between them.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Palin supporters...
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:44 ET by JPR1most of them just honest hardworking Americans, are not overeducated elitists and are therefore neither interested in, nor willing to be swayed by, the shallow conclusions reached by overeducated elitists. Their talking points are no less valid than those regurgitated by the left and are more frequently grounded in principles and instincts long held to be important to their everyday lives.
You’re embarrassed by these people? That’s a rather condescending position considering the fact that the media intentionally selects these people to represent conservatives.
i have no problem with
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 15:49 ET by sajc05i have no problem with honest hard working people that support palin, but these people couldn't give one good reason WHY they supported palin.
except for "that obama fella wants to bring us under fascist communist rule and take away our freedom" which I know they got from either beck or limbaugh, and NOT because they researched obama's policies and compared them with communist or fascism in other places around the world.
Hey Pat Sajak 2005
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 16:21 ET by MrShyI know for a fact that most of these people are regurgitating limbaugh talking points and don't really know what they are saying because they could not answer one follow up question.
nice try buddy, but the bailout is the only part of our debt that limbaugh talks about,
thats NOT conservative even if limbaugh tells you it is
or were you just covering your eyes and listening to everything limbaugh told you?
which I know they got from either beck or limbaugh, and NOT because they researched obama's policies
Is there some underground libturd smear-Limbaugh movement spitting out these Pat Sajak-types? With their mindless marching orders to infiltrate sites like NB and reference the same, tired Limbaugh/conservative stereotypes?
Yes, I believe there is.
Now, now Shy, let's not
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 16:25 ET by Scuba DudeNow, now Shy, let's not denigrate Pat Sajak (of Wheel of Fortune fame) because he is a conservative you know. We can think of a more appropriate name to call this poster. But right now he is not worth it.
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" Tacitus
scoobs
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 16:28 ET by MrShyReally? Didn't know that about Pat... cool....
That he is. He even took
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 16:38 ET by Scuba DudeThat he is. He even took part in the 2007 DisHonors award.
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" Tacitus
I'm a conservative, not the
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:07 ET by sajc05I'm a conservative, not the warped neocon spend spend spend conservative that bush and cheney were and limbaugh supported.
so yes, until limbaugh is honest about low spending, balanced budgets, and effective small government then yes i'll call him a fake conservative who chooses party over principle like some people here.
I'm a conservative.... Oh
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:13 ET by MrShyI'm a conservative....
Oh good LORD you're a phony. A complete left-wing tool hired by some Soros-paid group out to discredit Limbaugh, is my guess.
Okay, this Sajak thingy/person has GOT to be a plant. Where's the plant expert? (oh, nevermind... :p)
obviously you don't listen
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:14 ET by Conservative Voiceobviously you don't listen to Limbaugh, and doubt you ever had. While Limbaugh supported President Bush and Vice President Cheney on many things, he was harsh on Bush's spending.
Fine
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:14 ET by general companyuntil limbaugh is honest about low spending, balanced budgets, and
effective small government then yes i'll call him a fake conservative
who chooses party over principle like some people here.
And I will consider you a liar. You cant back up a single word of your Rush bashing, and you wouldnt be the first liberal here to try either.
I am not sure what is worst, a liberal, or a liberal claiming to be a conservative?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
You're lost. Rush in a
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:27 ET by sajc05You're lost.
Rush in a recent interview said bush was "a great man"
while i have no problem with bush as a person, he was not a good president. he added trillions to our deficits. he doubled the debt. if i'm worried about our debt, deficits and spending how the HELL can I be liberal?
my personal biggest issue is illegal immigration. what did bush do for us there? sell us out to mexico.
can anyone here who claims to be a conservative tell me how it makes sense to go to war increase the size of government while cut taxes and your country sinking into debt? bush being the first in history to do so.
Bush was "a great man",
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:31 ET by Conservative VoiceBush was "a great man", does not translate that Rush agreed with everything he did as a President.
I have listened to his show [edit]almost 20 years, he was not happy with the border or the spending.
But Shy -- he personally
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:11 ET by Jack BauerBut Shy -- he personally knows all Palin supporters. Hence he can link to one video which proves his point. He knows exactly who conservatives are (no one on NB except him, apparently); and he's smarter than Palin.
He's a Renaissance Man if ever there was one. Or is that a Remy Martin man?
Hah -- only kidding. The thing about the oddball conserfauxtives who come to Newsbusters, for God knows what reason, is this:
They can pretend to be conservative, but they can't hide the essential douchness of the average liberal. Conservatives just don't talk to fellow conservativcs like this.
Oh-- and if he'd ever been on this site in the past few years when Bush was in office, he'd have seen the meltdowns against Bush on quite a few issues: starting with the Bailouts. Just not on the war on Islamic terror.
ok, my name on huffpo is the
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:48 ET by sajc05ok, my name on huffpo is the same. i go there all the time and debate the liberals.
all i'm saying is bush was bad for the conservative movement and palin will be as well.
glad we agree on bailouts. I have no problem getting back t the terrorists either. i just say PAY FOR IT and don't increase government size while your doing it.
Points missed sajac...
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 19:31 ET by JPR1The conservatives you see “interviewed” by these liberal mic stands are carefully selected. They look for people who appear ordinary; people they can present as inarticulate or uninformed.
Someone like myself or any of a few dozen posters here would chew the likes of Norah O’Donnell to pieces and the 30 seconds of tape would be deleted before they got back to the truck.
Living by principles and instincts is fundamental, erudite language is optional.
Further down this thread you make the assertion that Palin is “terrible for the conservative cause”. Man you are one confused dude. Somewhere there is a Democrat looking for a campaign manager, you should apply.
sajc05---
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 16:17 ET by matthewdeanBlow it out your a**.
Anyone who says "I know i'm (sic) much smarter than her ---", who cannot even properly capitalize words throughout a post, and states "I am a conservative---", is not only not a conservative, but also is not smarter than Palin, and is in ALL likelihood, a liar as well.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
okay
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:09 ET by sajc05Hilariously ridiculous counter argument. "your punctuation on a blog was incorrect so Palin is smarter" well done my friend, you have shown everybody how shallow of a thinker you are, but I think you are adorable.
don't argue any points, but call people liars and attack spelling errors. you sound like a liberal when you try to talk immigration with them.
thats okay, i'm sure you don't really know the issues, but love the girl that tells it like it is.
i'm more conservative then your warped neocon bush style conservatism will ever be. if you don't want to debate issues fine but don't bother the smart people here with your lame posts
after reading your post i (sic) feel this blog needs a kids table where people like you who don't know the issues well but like to whine about other things can go. for now mathew, go back to the figurative kids table.
sajc05
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:16 ET by MrShyGo away. You're the biggest b.s. artist around.
Like Jack pointed out, too... how you write is so NOT conservative. You're fooling nobody.
go away? you don't like
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:33 ET by sajc05go away? you don't like debate? i know some fake conservatives around here like to have their small little world view reinforced 24/7
you cannot point out ONE thing in my post that is not conservative other then i do not like bush or palin.
your probably one of those fake conservatives that thinks going to war increasing the size of government all while cutting taxes is "conservative" well it's not. the founders always wanted us to pay for things. but i guess the founders wouldn't be welcomed at NB either.
yes, go away
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:33 ET by MrShyYou're a "lying sack of protoplasm".... (from Ren & Stimpy, I believe it was...)
Where's The Vet?
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:36 ET by BO STINKSThis "lying sack of protoplasm" needs to go to the woodshed.
"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the Plain Meaning of Words!" ~Sam Adams
Hilarious and sad. you
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:39 ET by sajc05Hilarious and sad.
you couldn't even answer my question which shows me what a fake conservative you are. if you were smart on the issues you would debate. you like your narrow minded view reinforced. conservatives like myself, like a good debate.
go to the kids table this thanksgiving.
I was rather surprised to
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:38 ET by Conservative VoiceI was rather surprised to find you been a member of NB for ever 3 years and not have a basic understanding of who the posters here ( esp since I never seen you before...granted I am not here daily like I use to...but still )
Or have friends...
Did you hack into NB and create a fake account hmm?
3 years ago I used to be
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:45 ET by sajc053 years ago I used to be more of a bush supporter. but then i learned about deficits and the economy and now i do not trust either party.
i consider myself an independent conservative with some libertarian, ron paul like views. i don't have one liberal bone in my body.
but if you do not drink bush is great, palin 2012 kool aid i guess you're not welcome here.
i don't mean to be mean spirited here, i apologize. I just want whats best for the conservative movement and I think Palin is terrible for it. why can't we debate issues here?
ah, a paulite...light comes
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:49 ET by Conservative Voiceah, a paulite...light comes on. Here is the thing, Palin is not Bush. To claim so is a reflection of someone who doesn't pay attention. Bush isn't a conservative, he never claimed he was.
I am not a Bush fan...and like I said, you don't know the posters here it seems, because many people here aren't happy with Bush's spending etc.
Yes bush did say he was a
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 18:26 ET by sajc05Yes bush did say he was a conservative.
Yes some people here have not liked some bush policies
BUT too many people here have spent time defending bush. and for some one who did so much damage he does not deseve the defense of anyone who claims to be a backer of the conservative movement.
Hmm, I don't recal
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 18:53 ET by Conservative VoiceHmm, I don't recal President Bush making that statement...I could be wrong, but from what I heard him say...he claimed to be a "compassionate conservative" which means he is a progressive. Did he have some conservative ideals...sure, most people have some intelligent thought, but he went out of his way to work with the left, and did little to shore up his base.
Like I said, Palin is not Bush. And on people who defended Bush, it was rare that people thought he could do no wrong....so rare, I have never seen it.
Where you lost credibility is saying Rush was one of these people who saw Bush who could do no wrong.
So did John McCain
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 19:10 ET by BlondeSo does Charley Crist.
Doesn't make it so. Same goes for you, sparky.
Now, try a better argument than Bush. That's waaaay weak.
I hope he fails, too.
→ Apology accepted
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:51 ET by Cool ArrowAnd I guess it shouldn't bother us at all that your posts aren't offering any substantive points.
I do it too. I hope you get elected homecoming queen.
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i offered points but i guess
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 18:26 ET by sajc05i offered points but i guess they were over your head.
That's it
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 19:12 ET by BlondeI'm throwing the BS card on you.
We've had a thousand trolls like you before. Claiming to be conservative and then thrashing around and then finally getting around to tossing insults.
I hope he fails, too.
That's the phrase---
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 19:46 ET by matthewdeanI was looking for, CA.
Homecoming queen.
When sajc05 allowed as how he (she?) disagreed with what I said, but thought I was "adorable", be sajc a he, a she, or a he-she, to call me, a person 6' tall, 230 lbs., with enough hair on my chest to fill a king-size mattress, a pair of nads that would fill a mason jar, and breath that is as redolent as buffalo sh*t, --- adorable, why that is absolutely scary.
But probably not as scary as sajc05 in a full size taffeta skirt with a rhinestone tiara sitting atop a crewcut........
Cheers.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
Ignorance Tina...
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 10:52 ET by JPR1…is an inescapable human affliction. You were born ignorant and you will die ignorant. The objective is to live a reasonable portion of your life without this fact being too apparent. Understanding this alone should eliminate most of the symptoms.
What do you expect from the ...
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 10:55 ET by wnaegele...Moronically Slimy Network of Boobish Nitwits?
This genius says "Nobody
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:02 ET by mattmThis genius says "Nobody really understands health care. Nobody really understands immigration. Nobody understands anything." yet she claims Palin is the ignorant one?
Either she's a total idiot, or she is simply carrying out the leftist tactic of complicating the issues so that only the elitist experts can manage them - which means you can't even trust the voters to decide on the issues - only the Priests of the Temple.
I guess I gotta go against
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:03 ET by BruzillaI guess I gotta go against the flow and agree with Brown. Palin is exactly the same as Obama, just the opposite pole. He's a very-dedicated Liberal who's largely clueless and is ineffective because he's in a job he has no experience to do. Palin is a very dedicated Conservative who's largly clueless and would likely be ineffective because she lacks the experience to be President. Yet both of these people can drive huge amounts of support just by contrasting their hardcore views with the mushy views of triangulators like Bush and Clinton.
One thing I would hope everyone has learned from the Obama experience is that the Presidency is not a place for amateurs, and it takes more than time in a state senate, or years of being a smalltown mayor, to make a good President... especially when the economy is a mess.
Guess we will have to
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:12 ET by Scuba DudeGuess we will have to disagree with ya there Bru. Sarah Palin does have the experience to be President. She has the Executive experience the LOTUS dreams he wished he had. I am curious though as to why you would say she is clueless.
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" Tacitus
Guess I will have to go against that, too
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:19 ET by StarAZShe hears a question and answers it perfectly sensibly. All this stuff about how she is stupid--I don't get it.
What made me laugh
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:21 ET by StarAZMartha Stewart, vaguely staring, hair uncombed...saying Palin is confused.
Ms. Stewert said
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:36 ET by MidAmericaMs. Stewert said Sarah was boring and she said that it in her sedated sounding slow monotone voice.
I agree that she's not
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:36 ET by BruzillaI agree that she's not stupid. To the contrary, I think she's very intelligent. But so is Obama, and look where that's gotten us. The issue here isn't lack of intelligence, but lack of experience. I think that if you find yourself having to make an argument that someone's experience is relevant and valuable (like the Dems did in arguing for Obama's Senate experience or we're arguing for Palin's time as a smalltown mayor and short-time governor), you're probably arguing for the wrong person.
What I want to see in a President is someone with a vast over-abundance of experience in dealing with the troubles of the day. In a time when we're seeing our economy and the dollar tank, we need someone who knows money and business, which makes me lean towards Romney... but he's not the true conservative I would like to see as POTUS either.
Please do not say Obama is
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:43 ET by Scuba DudePlease do not say Obama is intelligent. There is nothing to support that statement. He reads a speech well and that is about it. Until he releases his school records he is nothing but someone who advanced through affirmative action.
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" Tacitus
And you graduated from
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:54 ET by BruzillaAnd you graduated from Harvard when?
Proves nothing. Where are
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 12:06 ET by Scuba DudeProves nothing. Where are the records?
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" Tacitus
Lame reply
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 12:32 ET by StarAZYou graduated from Harvard when? That is what you asked him? Well--by this standard, let me ask you when you last ran a state, duked it out with oil companies, was elected to office last, and jumped into a high power shot at VP on a moment's notice. For that matter--Tina Brown might want to answer that, too. PS I graduated from a high power public affairs college in Wash DC and worked on the Hill for 16 yrs. and even if I hadn't, I can say anything I want here. Let's see Obama's records. Let's see anything he published in the Law Review. Let's see the proof. I am from Missouri--SHOW ME. By the way--people's intelligence does not come from where they went to college or if they did--it comes from their deeds--so let's stick to those for Obama and Palin.
You cannot be on the harvard
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 16:13 ET by sajc05You cannot be on the harvard law review without being insanely intelligent. I'm sorry you're not aware of this, but it's a fact. look into it.
→ No, It's not
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 16:26 ET by Cool ArrowI'll agree you probably need considerable political skills, and you have to have caught the eyes of the right people, but it's not entirely impossible for a cult of personality to be built around a normally intelligent, charismatic person.
He was elected.
When I was in college a guy ran for homecoming queen. His platform was that pageants were sexist. He was admonished at the last minute, by the administration, to step down.
Do you think it's impossible for a man to be voted homecoming queen?
When it comes to elections, the statement often counts for more than the ability.
Throw in Obama's current inability to correctly read anything from America's mood on health care to his pitiable diddling over Afghanistan, and it's more apparent than ever that the man is a statement, not a wise ruler.
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Tue, 11/24/2009 - 16:39 ET by MrShyGreat post!
Insanely intelligent?
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 16:35 ET by StarAZNow THAT's a telling phrase.
SCREW HARVARD...
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 16:45 ET by danybhoysajc05,
I take a look at the people who have held power & influence in America in my 4 decades of life. Many of them have gone to Harvard & the other Ivy League schools. Political leaders, career bureaucrats, or media types who have gone to Harvard, Yale, Columbia, or in the case of BathTubBoy, Cornell A&M. They have left this nation in dire straights. Their intellect does'nt really matter when they are effing things up so bad that there are no good choices to fix what is wrong.
Many of them are very booksmart, but if they ever had to live in the real world, they would starve to death. Despite the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent at the finest universities around the world, most of those in power have almost NO COMMON SENCE AT ALL. That seem to be a big part of the problem today.
"...How blind can you be, don't you see...
...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."
Nightwish
danybhoy
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:16 ET by well99Damn straight.That is it in a nutshell.
sajc05---
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 16:55 ET by matthewdeanI stated in an earlier post that someone making statements like yours "might be a liar as well."
I apologize.
I should have withheld that comment until after I read your 16:13 ET post.
Look up the definition of oxymoron reference the phrase "insanely intelligent".
I should not insinuate that you might be a liar, as you may just be spouting what you fervently believe (even though I think it is wrong).
I can, however, based on your latest post, state unequivocally that you are a moron.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
"Insanely intelligent?"
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 19:37 ET by SickofLibsWhatchit... next thing is the leg tingles.
Why do I feel she's
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:28 ET by BruzillaWhy do I feel she's clueless? Because I've known lots of Sarah Palins over the past 50+ years. They're all great people, don't get me wrong. They're hard working, dedicated, and try to do the best job they can in city and county politics. But just like the manager of a McDonalds would have a hard time jumping into the seat of WalMart CEO, these people don't have the experience with public policy and government on a nationwide scale and this gets them in trouble. Look at Obama. He's trying to use his experience (and that of his cronies) from operating at a city level to resolve national and international issues, and he's failing miserably.
I'm curious as to why you feel she has the executive experience necessary to be President. She may have been a terrific mayor of Wasilla, but the duties and responsibilities of a mayor of a town like Wasilla are nothing compared to those of a big city mayor yet alone governor of a state. Yes, she was governor of Alaska, but not for very long, and as most holders of elected office will tell you, it takes about a year before you really get a handle on things. Basically, she left just at the point she was really getting to know the job. The only claim that I've heard made about her time as governor was the international oil pipeline deal that went through, but the reality is that deal was designed, developed, and negotiated by her predecessor. All she did was object to how the contract was awarded, and suspended the plan while a new contract award process was run. A good thing to do, but something any GS-13 government contract administrator does several times a year.
If you can show me how she's really proven herself as a state or national leader, aside from just winning office and ordering a contract to be renegotiated, I would ove to hear it and would be willing to reassess her... but based on what I know to date, there isn't any experience.
Bru, I feel you are
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:40 ET by Scuba DudeBru, I feel you are projecting your experiences with these other "Sarah Palins" onto Sarah Palin. You have not given an example of why you feel she is clueless.
As far as her experience goes, she has it. Her approval ratings as Governor of Alaska were sky high until she was picked for the VP spot in the 08 election. Then the LSM and Democrat operatives descended upon that State to find any bit of dirt that they could on her. And all those frivolous lawsuits that were draining her family financially and was hindering her running the State led to her resigning. I have not picked up her book which I understand better explains why she did that so I am just going by what I have read.
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" Tacitus
Do you seriously want to
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 12:04 ET by BruzillaDo you seriously want to hand the country over to someone because they had high approval ratings, in a very small state, for 18 months? Do you honestly feel that this is a valid criteria to make a decision??? That, to me, is about as mad as handing the reins to a guy with eight years experience as a state senator. On top of that, a lot of those ratings came from when she supported the Dem plan to boost the Alaska Permanent Fund so that every Alaska resident got about $3,000 a year in bilked oil profits. Not hard to get great ratings when you can snag someone else's money and redistribute it to the voters.
Are you channeling Pop
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 12:10 ET by Scuba DudeAre you channeling Pop Tech? I believe this has been gone over in the past when he flamed us with his anti-Palin blather. Try a search of "Popular Tech" and see the responses and you will get your answer.
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" Tacitus
I don't know Pop Tech, and I
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 13:01 ET by BruzillaI don't know Pop Tech, and I know there are moer than a few Dem trolls out in cyberspace looking to bash Palin. Sadly, it seems you are making the exact same error in judgement that the Dems made when they blindly labled all criticism of Obama as anti-something hate speech as they marched lemming-like over the cliff.
→ Zilla
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 13:10 ET by Cool ArrowPerhaps you could be more specific as to at least one of her stands with which you disagree?
Don't get me started on Obama. I've got a million of them.
The difference we are seeing is an honest, if not eloquently stated in obfuscated legalese, opinion of how Americans believe.
Sorry you'd prefer to be confused by the meanderings of a stuffed teleprompter.
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Bru... Everything you
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 12:15 ET by bigtimerBru...
Everything you stated is true...I just want to thank you for your succinct points...you aren't alone, although it may seem that way at times, some people just avoid stating they agree and don't want to get piled on, it seems to me we are making her a cult figure, and we're all supposed to blindly follow if we want to remain in the in-crowd... just like they did 'O'...and we all screamed bloody murder then.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
You are 100% correct, and I
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 12:51 ET by BruzillaYou are 100% correct, and I find that truth rather disconcerting. The Dems are in the process of seeing their party collapse because everytime someone dared to point out that there were issues with Obama, they were immediately labled as "X", with "X" being a black hater, Dem hater, Lib hater, Chicago hater. etc. They just couldn't accept that anyone could see something in a person beyond what they saw, or chose to see. And now I see lots of Republicans doing the same damn thing.
BT
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 12:59 ET by MrShyI'm no great fan of hers, but I think she's okay... just okay. What I like most about her is, she's completely outside the beltway. That's really her appeal, for me.
What I'm arguing with Bru here is that, really, no president is sufficiently "qualified" or "prepared", only there are wide degrees of how UN-prepared. We all know Obama red-lines that meter... Palin? Sure, not a ton of experience, but there are many other past Presidents who we were as suspicious of as much of not more, IMO.
Shy... I agree. I have
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 13:08 ET by bigtimerShy...
I agree. I have stated numerous times, she was a breath of fresh air, much needed for McC and the 'R' side of the aisle, '12 is a long way off yet, this is her Prez run, make no mistake about that, for her to pretend different is disingenuous to say the least.
I'm just tired of those who do put there own opinions and facts as they see them, getting piled on.
Happened to me with McC, happened with Steele, happened with Ted Stevens, etc.
I try to avoid the subject the majority of the time, other times I can't...as far as I'm concerned, she has played both sides of the aisle from her beginning, and still is, she fits right in with the McC mode. ..and if a gal says this, we are accused of being jealous, insecure, blah blah blah...which offends plenty of us, some just remain silent, but they are here, I know that for a fact.
I'll have to wait until we see who are in the primaries...before I go ga-ga over Palin or anyone else this early.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
I don't believe anyone can
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 15:28 ET by BruzillaI don't believe anyone can make the case that Palin has no experience with government, anymore than someone can make an argument that Obama has no experience with government. The question is do these people have the experience needed to be President? With Obama, the answer is obviously no, but just try telling Democrats that last year.
Palin did a good job as Mayor, did a good job as governor (depending on who you ask) for a year and a half. Is that enough to qualify her to be President? Maybe, but is it more and better experience than someone like Romney or Huckabee or Palenty has? Definately not.
When it comes to the President, I want someone who maxes out the qualifications and not someone who might be just good enough.
Not everything she stated
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 13:06 ET by Scuba DudeNot everything she stated is true. "The only claim that I've heard made about her time as governor was the international oil pipeline deal that went through, but the reality is that deal was designed, developed, and negotiated by her predecessor"
"Her biggest task as governor has been to start construction of the gas pipeline to the lower 48 states. She tossed out the sweetheart contract her predecessor, Republican Frank Murkowski, had reached with three oil companies and negotiated a new deal with a Canadian company."
Bruzilla stated that Sarah Palin was clueless, when I asked her why her reply showed her projecting her interactions with other "Sarah Palins in her life. Her next post seemed to switch Sarah Palin from being clueless to her saying that Sarah Palin wasn't stupid but was intelligent but then she changed tact and stated she had no experience. To me that is hemming and hawing not succinct.
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" Tacitus
I wish you members of the
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 15:24 ET by BruzillaI wish you members of the Palin Cult would do a better job of fact checking than reading your own newsletters. :) The natural gas pipeline project was brought before the Alaska legislature in March2006, after being worked on for two years by Governor Frank Murkowski. He and his team did all the negotiations with the Canadians and ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips and BP.
Once Palin took office, she felt that ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips and BP had gotten a sweetheart deal... a view that was widely held by the Canadians as their company, TransCanada Corporation, got nothing in the deal. Palin tossed out the first contract, and opened the contract for bidding. In the end, she found that only TransCanada met all the regulatory requirements and she gave them the contract. Also, it's interesting to note that even as of now, no construction has been started on the pipeline.
So, she had nothing to do with the negotiating or planning for the pipeline, and all she did was suspend the existing contract and order a recompete... something lowly GS-13 COTRs do all the time. She also did not start construction on the pipeline as construction hasn't started yet.
Nice try though. That red print really made your comments seem more accurate. lol
"As congressional Democrats
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 15:50 ET by Scuba Dude"As congressional Democrats dither on a vote for oil drilling, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has pushed through a gas pipeline project to bring new supply and price relief to the lower 48.
On Aug. 1, the same day the call for a vote on drilling began on the House floor, the Alaska state Senate approved a package of measures to license a new natural gas pipeline. House Bill 3001 lets Palin award the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act license to TransCanada Alaska, a pipeline builder that cast a winning bid of five.
The legislature had been trying for 30 years to authorize something like this and, up until now, had blown it. Palin got it through. Getting it off the ground, the state says, will be the biggest construction project in U.S. history."
She pushed through the last obstacle to the construction, getting the legislation passed. So her throwing out a sweetheart deal and getting a better deal for the pipeling means nothing? And now you start hawing that no construction has commenced in the 15 or so months since the bill was signed? The World Trade Center was destroyed 8 YEARS AGO and hardly ANYTHING has been done there and that was a building not a pipeline at least 1000 miles long!!
Move goal posts much Bru?
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" Tacitus
Bru, the issues aren't that
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:28 ET by mattmBru, the issues aren't that complicated.
The elites like to make them seem more complicated than the average person can handle, but that's just a power-grab tactic.
I might tend to agree with you on the executive ability issue, but that's far less important than the ideology, integrity and decency of the officeholder.
I used to think that way,
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:48 ET by BruzillaI used to think that way, but not any more. I mean really... you seriously want the "average person" running the country? Seriously? Remember that average people are the same ones who rear-end you while yacking on their cell phones, they're the same ones who can't figure out their taxes on their own, they're the same ones who can't figure out how to raise their kids, etc. Let's be honest... if all these issues could really be grasped and solved by average people, they wouldn't be problems. Healthcare is a great example. I used to work in the health insurance industry, and it's amazing to hear Dems and Republicans talking about this issue when neither has any idea what they're talking about. Funny aside - the Dems are claiming that not-for-profit, member-owned, co-ops will fix the problems, while the Republicans are saying these are definately not the way to go and will cause a disaster. The reality is that many health insurers, including Blue Cross Blue Shield, are not-for-profit, member-owned, co-ops!
Speaking for myself, I never want to see an average person as President. I want an extraordinary person in that seat. I don't want someone who meets the minimal level of qualifications, but someone who meets the maximum.
Bru
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 12:06 ET by MrShyI like, but don't love, Palin myself. But you do understand that there is no "robo-equipped" person who is ever "prepared to run the country" (the USA, that is.) All 44 of our presidents now, to varying degrees, were not prepared. Some woefully ill-prepared and inexperienced (the current one being the most glaring example, obviously, but look at almost any past President -- even Reagan was mocked for just being a pretty face and a one-time Hollywood actor...)
You can never be prepared to anyone's satisfaction for a POTUS position. You simply need to show you're smart, have SOME past governing and executive experience, have integrity, and be a strong speaker/speech maker. Palin hardly falls short in any of these areas, especially compared to a sizable chunk of past presidents (maybe not a majority, but she's got plenty of good qualities.)
True, no one is born to be
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 15:46 ET by BruzillaTrue, no one is born to be President, but that means it falls upon us, the voters, to make sound, objective, decisions about who we vote for. Let's look at Obama. He got elected because he was black, Liberal, and gave great speeches. People from Hillary Clinton to Sean Hannity warned the guy was going to be a disaster, and many voters chose not to listen. Obama... good husband and dad, Harvard Law graduate, State and US Senator, really crappy President.
I look at Palin and I see someone who was widely unknown until she got picked for VP, and she got picked for VP because A: McCain was told "no" on Lieberman; B: Romney, Huckabee, Palenty, and others said "no" because they didn't want to hitch their wagons to a losing campaign; and C: Because women were supposed to be pissed about Hillary not getting VP. So McCain needed a qualified, woman, who would say "yes"... enter Sarah Palin.
Did Palin push through some landmark legislation in her state? No. Did she push through causes that impacted the nation? No. Did she do anything of national value or importance? No. What she did manage to do was decide that giving away a sweetheart pipeline was wrong (showed good Conservative values), then turned around and gave the whole contract to the Canadians (oops). Next, she went against the Conservative Republicans in Alaska and sided with the Democrats to expand the Alaska Permanent Fund dividend, which gives a portion of oil company profits to all Alaskans not because they worked for it, but because they are entitled to it just for being Alaskans. That's called an entitlement program, and she was all for it's expansion, which makes me doubt her Conservative credentials.
So looking at that experience, is she the best candidate to put up for President? Or would someone who was a very successful one or two-term governor of a major state, or a former master of international business, or a combination of the two be a better pick for the job?
Liek you said, no one is born to be President, but there are a range of picks going from optimally qualified to minimally qualified, and Palin falls closer to minimally qualified. And as we've seen with Obama, minimally qualified isn't good enough.
Bru
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 16:08 ET by MrShySo who do you like, on the potential-running slate right now?
We could be having a semantic difference
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 12:25 ET by mattmThe people that rear-end you are below average. The average person has a decent education, works reasonably hard and is basically honest and law-abiding - add to that a dedication to liberty and to making America a better place, and the willingness to go "all in" for the job, and you have a qualified candidate.
If that makes someone extrordinary, then we agree. But that also means Sarah Palin is qualified.
I'd rather have my 9th Grade football coach as president than any we've had since Reagan.
I have a decent education,
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 12:58 ET by BruzillaI have a decent education, I work very hard, and I'm a law-abiding a honest citizen who's dedicated over 20 years of their life to making America a better, safer place. Do I feel I'm qualified to be President? No effing' way! Come to Orange Park, and I can introduce you to hundreds of people who meet your low qualifications at our Republican meetings. None have them have ever managged a huge-multinational business, negotiated international or national-level contracts, or governed a statefor four+ years either, so I wouldn't vote for them either.
By the way, as I posted on the Open Thread earlier, I saw Palin go past in her motorcade this morning. She had a dozen police vehicles, plus three SUVs all blacked out to make them look like Secret Service vehicles, accompanying her $500,000+ luxury motorcoach so she could go to a book signing, while she left thousands of Average People sitting in rush hour traffic for close to 20 minutes. Doesn't sound like she's keeping too many of the trappings of averageness around her.
→ So what?
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 13:14 ET by Cool ArrowOK, so now it's grown from 15 minutes to 20 minutes.
Will you extend it up to six hours before the day is over?
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"...a decent education, ..
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 13:22 ET by mattm"...a decent education, .. work hard, ... law-abiding...honest ..." That's a "low" standard?
You seem to have very little confidence in the principles of self-government and every confidence in the "rule by expert" that people like Algore and P-BO push. That's deviation from the American representative republicanism the Founders envisioned.
BTW - Just because you don't think you're qualified to be president doesn't mean you aren't. In fact, you'd be less qualified if you thought you were qualified because that would reflect a lack of humility which often leads to bad decision-making.
But we'll just have to disagree....I'm done with this topic.
Is it just me, or does
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 14:13 ET by ProudAmerican58Is it just me, or does Bruzilla sound downright "elitist?"
Found him, ProudAmerican
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 14:20 ET by Cool ArrowThe Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
He was right there in the good book.
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Ah yes... that's me. Ever
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 15:50 ET by BruzillaAh yes... that's me. Ever the elitist. Now, I got to leave and drive home in my 1995 Ford. :)
Now, now Bruzilla...
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:35 ET by ProudAmerican58You know elitistism has very little to do with wealth and/or materlism.
·lit·ism or é·lit·ism (-ltzm, -l-)
n.
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.
In other words, people who hate Sarah Palin. People like Tina Brown.
I beleive the founders
Wed, 11/25/2009 - 00:01 ET by Dan The Man 2I beleive the founders intended for ordinary people to take up the highest honors in the land and after one or two terms to step down. In fact they were scared that an elite would grow in the politics and you know they were right. We don't need any political elitists like occupy most of the offices these days. But the funny irony is that most ordinary people dont want to run for office and therefore we have the system as it is today.
Palin/Cheney 2012.
Sure, why not?
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 14:30 ET by general companyI mean really... you seriously want the "average person" running the country?
I and many of my friends and family could do a better job then what we have now. Mostly because we wouldn't be surrounding ourselves with commies. But go ahead, vote on their education, I mean it has worked out so well so far.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Bruzilla---
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:23 ET by matthewdeanNo one meets the maximum level of qualifications for the presidency of the United States going in.
No one.
Few meet those qualifications coming out of the office.
You want an extraordinary person in that seat?
Don't we all. Good luck with that.
But, your "talking down" at/to the "average" citizen smacks a bit of being an elitist.
Palin may indeed be far from being an "ideal" candidate, let alone a perfect one, but anyone paying attention these days who would even intimate that Palin could or somehow would have fouled the presidential arena as badly as this pos has, is seriously unaware.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
And yet one more...
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:25 ET by Irene Flick...lib hag whose name we would not know without a Palin-bashing quote ahead of it. Don't these people ever get tired of being on the same bandwagon together?
TERM LIMITS FOR ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS!
And, yes, I am shouting.
Tina Brown? Former British
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 13:16 ET by Jack BauerTina Brown? Former British citizen. Lousy rich elitist socialist hyprocrite who advanced on her back. But enough sleazy truth.
Married another lousy socialist creep Sir Harry Evans -- yeah, that's right, man of the people craved to get a Knighthood from the Queen in 2005, even though he became a US citizen in 1993.
I'd like someone to ask Tina Brown one impromptu question on the American constitution because I think she's remarkably ignorant. She is a big vfan of Pravda, or is that Prada.
→ Jack
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 13:20 ET by Cool ArrowThanks, I didn't know that. I assumed she was one of James Brown's widows.
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I assumed she was one of
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 13:33 ET by Jack BauerHa... from the British gossip over the past three decades, that wouldn't surprise me. Although I doubt a marriage ceremony was involved before the 10 minute honeymoon in a club washroom.
If you get my unsubtle drift! She was a bit of a joke in the UK, a byline for boring name dropper, social climber, insufferable snob, and talentless hack.
No wonder she doesn't like Palin.
Harvard Horsecrap
Tue, 11/24/2009 - 17:38 ET by slickwillie2001Re Harvard Law Review: "Until the 1970's the editors were picked on the basis of grades, and the president of the Law Review was the student with the highest academic rank. ...
That system came under attack in the 1970's and was replaced by a program in which about half the editors are chosen for their grades and the other half are chosen by fellow students after a special writing competition. The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review."
Linky: http://www.nytimes.com
As suspected, there are no rules. The Bamster got into every college he attended based on affirmative action, was graded based on affirmative action, and awarded degrees based on affirmative action. He has personally defended the affirmative action program at the journal.
We have ZERO evidence that he has above-average intelligence.