'He's Taxing Everything That's Bad For You. That's Cool'

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The ostensible subject was Caroline Kennedy. But in the course of, you know, discussing Kennedy's foundering effort to, you know, be anointed senator, Mika Brzezinski said something of more enduring interest.  The Morning Joe co-host provided a telling glimpse into the liberal mindset, as Brzezinski cast her vote for Big Mommy government.

Host Joe Scarborough observed that New York Gov. David Paterson was letting Kennedy twist in the wind. Rather than spending his time taxing everything in sight, the guv would be better off appointing Caroline or someone else, so the new senator could hit the ground running once Hillary is confirmed as Secretary of State, opined Scarborough.

That's when Mika made her pitch for taxes as a tool for reforming those not living the lifestyle approved by the latest member of the Lititz landed gentry.

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JOE SCARBOROUGH: Governor Paterson, if you're not too busy taxing New Yorkers right now for drinking Coke, or ingesting Coke --

MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Oh, now.

SCARBOROUGH: You'd be doing the State of New York a service by going ahead and appointing somebody, subject to Hillary Clinton getting the confirmation by the Senate, so they can go up to Washington, so they can start meeting all the senators, so they'll be ready on day one to represent New York as effectively as possible.  So the sooner he makes that appointment, the better. At this point the focus is on Caroline.  At some point it's going to go back on Paterson, and the people of New York are going to ask why is he allowing this sideshow to go on --

BRZEZINSKI: And we're going to hear from Caroline coming up.

SCARBOROUGH: -- while he's taxing everything in New York [inaudible].

BRZEZINSKI: Stop. I have no problem with the soda tax.

SCARBOROUGH: He's taxing everything, though.

BRZEZINSKI: I know, I like that. Soda tax.

SCARBOROUGH: It's like the fourth verse in tax [inaudible].

BRZEZINSKI: He's taxing everything that's bad for you.  That's cool.

—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.


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Great, we can't allow people

to be responsible for themselves and the consequences of their actions, Mika (such as getting fat from too much soda and such), so we'll just shift the burden of their slovenly living to the rest of us to pay for.  Where does that stop?  It doesn't Mika, it does not stop.

Here's a radical thought...if you don't take care of your body, YOU pay for it, either in shortened lifespan or higher health insurance premiums or just a rotten way of living.  If you decide that you'd rather party than buy health insurance, then when you develop cancer...get your will in order, cuz' here it comes.  If you hit a tree in a car wreck and spend a week in the hospital, YOU are saddled with a bunch of debt, not me.

 Sheesh... 

Who Decides What's Bad For Us?

According to the CDC, cigarette smoking will shorten the life of the average smoker by seven years and living a Gay lifestyle will shorten the average homosexuals life by 22 years. While treating diseases caused by smoking may be expensive, more money is spent treating certain gay diseases over a shorter span or lifetime. So why do liberals villify smokers and advocate homosexuality.

It's time for a gay tax.

It's all about what's

It's all about what's "fashionable" to care about. Gay-related diseases are ignored (AIDS was at first called GRID for gay-related immune deficiency [or disease, I forget which] until that became too controversial) while smokers have to pay higher insurance rates.

The whole US market is turning PINK as breast cancer is the "cause du jour" while more women die from lung cancer....and the #1 killer of women is heart disease

But since only breast cancer is a "woman's disease" that's the one that gets all the attention.

TAX TAX TAX

Ever notice the fix to evils always involved new taxes and spending by the government?

 

TAX TAX TAX

Ever notice the fix to evils always involved new taxes and spending by the government?

 

I agree but...

"Gay-related diseases are ignored (AIDS was at first called GRID for gay-related immune deficiency [or disease, I forget which] until that became too controversial)"

It became controversial because people who were not gay were also getting the disease.

If you had contracted AIDS through a blood transfusion would you want to be labeled with a disease named Gay Related Immune Deficiency if you were not gay?

And while initially more prevalent among gays, HIV incidence for non-gays today is around 42%.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/incidence.htm

 

 

Why

Is it even a surprise this particular woman went there?

She's so painful to watch it makes my eyes and ears bleed.

I know this is a bit early but it's my favorite time of the year. NB should do an NCAA type bracket in mid-March of the dumbest people in the MSM. I really think MSNBC would have at least two women in the Final Four--Mike and Contessa Brewer.

Question sweet cheecks? Who gets to define what's "bad for you"? Cool.

Socialism at its best

Socialism at its best.  The government telling us how to live!

 

Remembering little Caylee Anthony (2005-2008).  May justice be served.

While I think "sin" taxes

While I think "sin" taxes are stupid it doesn't amount to socialism.

 

That's exactly what they

That's exactly what they amount to!  Some self-important busybody wants to regulate what you can and cannot consume, so a punitive tax is applied to change your behavior.  So, when you stop smoking or drinking Coke and the government no longer gets the revenues it's projected (and, no doubt, already spent), another source from which to derive the revenue must be found (because, of course, government can never be permitted to do with less).  Time to raise income taxes, sales taxes, "service" charges or something else.  That's socialism.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan

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Say what?

"Time to raise income taxes, sales taxes, "service" charges or something else.  That's socialism. "

No it isn't. How does raising taxes through imaginative and arbitrary means equate to state or collective ownership of production and distribution?

It isn't even close.

 

Well, let's see,

Well, let's see, genius...the state assumes punitive revenues for something it had nothing to do with producing or distributing... denying those revenues to those who actually produced and distributed the goods and effectively dictating what can and cannot be produced and sold...all in the name of the "public interest" or the "common good".  Not socialism, eh?  Get a clue.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan

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What a stretch!!

Get a clue?

Maybe you should look up the commonly accepted definition of socialism instead of trying to redefine it for your own means.

http://en.wikipedia....

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http://www.merriam-w...

Just because those forms of taxes are levied doesnt dictate what can be produced and sold. Look at alcohol and cigarettes. Most of the cost of a pack of cigarettes is taxes but has that stopped production and distribution? Hardly. Alcohol is heavily taxed. Has that stopped production and distribution? Not by what I see at Spec's.

Something done in the public good or interest does not automatically constitute socialism.

There is no  change to state or collective ownership by the levying of taxes, regardless of motive.

 

 

Yes, I repeat.  Get a

Yes, I repeat.  Get a clue.  When you use taxes for the purpose of regulating individual behavior on behalf of a perceived collective benefit, that is socialism.  When you set up a parasitic "sin" tax interfering with natural market forces to punish business in the name of a common good, that is socialism.  When the government takes an activist role in hijacking the free flow of business because government believes it's in the public's "best interest" not to be influenced by such businesses, that is socialism.  Frankly, it's tyranny.   

Have these punitive measures stopped production and distribution?  They sure have hampered both.  If you don't think that taxes affect purchase decisions (i.e. whether someone buys a premium vs. generic beer, whether someone buys cigarettes or alcohol in Nevada to avoid the obnoxious California taxes, whether someone can afford the cost of an SUV because the eco-Marxists have seen to it that we cannot produce enough domestic oil to offset worldwide market forces), then you're a bigger economic illiterate than even I thought you were.  You're clutching at straws.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan

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let me repeat

You are still redefining socialism to meet your argument.

I agree that this form of taxation is complete B.S. but in no way, shape, or form does it constitute state or collective ownership of production and distribution.

That is the definition of socialism.

I never argued that taxes don't affect purchase decisions, I  said they don't dictate what can be produced and sold.

The only thing I am clutching to is the accepted definition which you seem to keep trying to tip toe around.

There seems to be a concerted effort to define socialism down to anything that exhibits an element of socialism and not the actual economic system of which the hallmark is state or collective ownership.

Looks like this has boiled down to arguing semantics.

Cheers. Gonna drink my Busch beer and smoke my off brand cigarettes. (Neither of which is owned or distributed by the government.)

 

 

 

 

 

I never argued that taxes

I never argued that taxes don't affect purchase decisions, I  said they don't dictate what can be produced and sold.  

Punitive "sin" taxes are designed to artificially reduce demand by inflating the price due to unnecessary costs.  When the government uses taxes to slow down sales...creating reduced profit margins and excess inventory...it is dictating what can be produced and sold.

There seems to be a concerted effort to define socialism down to anything that exhibits an element of socialism and not the actual economic system of which the hallmark is state or collective ownership.  

Actually, the concerted effort is to avoid linking clearly socialist policies to the socialist economic system.  When you have a President-Elect and a Congress that is making every effort to institute wholesale socialism through a bailout of UAW, the continued smoke-and-mirrors protection of the Social Security Ponzi Scheme, and, most relevantly, the institution of a single-payer socialized medical "care" program, "sin" taxes are merely weapons in the socialist arsenal.  When you look at the terms of the "Big 3" bailout, where Congress is looking to determine the types of vehicle produced by the Detroit manufacturers as a condition of the bailout, you bet that's the government dictating what can be produced and sold...uh, socialism. 

Cheers. Gonna drink my Busch beer and smoke my off brand cigarettes. (Neither of which is owned or distributed by the government.)

Enjoy!  Meanwhile, I'll drink my Lagunitas Pale Ale (while I still can) and I'll choose not to smoke (while I still have that choice to make).

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan

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Punitive "sin" taxes are

Punitive "sin" taxes are designed to artificially
reduce demand by inflating the price due to unnecessary costs.  When
the government uses taxes to slow down sales...creating reduced profit
margins and excess inventory...it is dictating what can be produced and sold
.

I wholly understand what's obvious  but disagree with the last part. Knowing what the rules are (ridiculous as they may be) there shouldnt be any excess inventory, at least not after a certain period of time.

Again, that's not what my argument is about. I've clearly stated that I am not in favor of that type of taxation. 

It is dictating HOW something is produced and sold but not whether it CAN be produced and sold.

And again, it doesn't involve government ownership or distribution.

"Actually, the concerted effort is to avoid linking clearly socialist policies to the socialist economic system."

As opposed to your trying to equate the two. Neither one is intellectually honest. As I said earlier,having policies containing socialist elements does not mean our economic model is based on socialism.

As far as the bailouts are concerned the government isn't mandating giving tax payer money to the UAW or Big 3 or the finance sector in order to gain control,  those entities are BEGGING for the money. 

Big difference.

 

Knowing what the rules are

Knowing what the rules are (ridiculous as they may be) there shouldnt be any excess inventory, at least not after a certain period of time.  

And why shouldn't there be any excess inventory?  Well, because punitive taxes force the business to raise prices to cover the excess costs (or to keep the prices the same and absorb the lost revenue brought by the "sin" tax).  Consumer price sensitivity kicks in, artificially reducing demand (or at the same price, demand stays the same, but the cost of doing business cuts into the razor-thin profit margins).  Businesses are forced to produce less to meet the artificially smaller demand.  Government has interfered in the marketplace, forcing business to slow down production to meet new, artificially lower consumer demand.  The clear intention of government is to dictate what can be produced and sold by making the barriers to entry artificially high.  This is what is known as soft tyranny.  Sure, you can try to produce and sell whatever you want...but we're going to arbitrarily tax and regulate what you produce and sell as heavily as it takes to make it not worth your while to produce and sell it.  Socialism.

As opposed to your trying to equate the two. Neither one is intellectually honest. As I said earlier,having policies containing socialist elements does not mean our economic model is based on socialism.

Actually, my argument is intellectually honest.  The principle currently in play is the good, old-fashioned slippery slope.  When supplemental gasoline taxes are enforced with the proceeds subsidizing low-demand public transportation operations (like buses), lower-demand public transportation projects (like light rail in California) and government-mandated "alternative" energy sources...instead of high-demand highway construction and improvement...you have the government stealing from the taxpayer to fund pet infrastructure projects and increase the influence of centralized government on individual liberty.  If this intrusion is tolerated, there will be more to come.  When you have a party that believes it has a mandate to unleash "universal 'health care'" on the people, you bet that socialism will be the dominant economic system in this country.  Without my consent, the Federal Government is going to require that I pay into this "health care" system, and it is going to employ all the requisite parasite tactics ("sin" taxes, service rationing, etc.) to regulate what I can eat, drink, smoke, drive and buy for the benefit of the collective.  Even without the seemingly inevitable "mandatory exercise", this puts us deep into the socialism tank.

As far as the bailouts are concerned the government isn't mandating giving tax payer money to the UAW or Big 3 or the finance sector in order to gain control,  those entities are BEGGING for the money. 

Big difference.

Actually, that's exactly what the government is doing.  If it was up to the American people (which it isn't), the government would simply allow the Big 3 to slip into Chapter 11 reorganization so that they can reemerge in a stronger position going forward.  This would allow the Big 3 to restructure the unsustainable labor contracts that have been dragging these companies down for years.  But the Democrats (and some spineless Republicans) have constituents to placate, so they will not allow this perfectly reasonable solution to take place.  The bailout is designed for two purposes: 1) to maintain the status quo regarding compensation for the UAW goons and 2) to force the car companies to meet the unreasonable expectations of the eco-Marxists with regard to what cars can and cannot be produced.  The entities you speak of (the unions and the CEOs) are begging for the bailout out of self-interest and self-preservation...the PR stunts pulled by the CEOs (the grounding of the private jets, the carpooling, the promotion of dog hybrid cars, etc.) are merely promises by the Big 3 that they will bow to the will of Congressional Democrats when it comes to how they operate the businesses once they redistribute our money to cover their losses.  The Federal Government's gaining operational control of these companies is a condition of the bailout...a bailout that the underwriters (i.e. the taxpayers) are against.  From each, according to his ability (the taxpayer), to each, according to his need (Ford, GM, Chrysler and the UAW).

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan

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New Yorkers Deserve This

If you live in NY and you think your elected representatives are taking you to the dry cleaners, you're absolutely right.  But you know what, you've allowed them to do it for years; you've given tthem the green light to screw you at every corner. so you deserve everything you get.  Increased transit fares, exploding school budgets, mind-boggling taxeswhen  on everything they can think of.  An obesity tax?  And let's not forget the biggest and most costliest scam of all, the municipal unions.  The federal/state/city bureaucracies that has effectively created the largest welfare state known to man - the federal/state/city employees.  Enjoy yourselves New York, you know?  This is your bed, now sleep in it.

Oh boy - those i-Tunes downloads are really dangerous

as are movies and cab rides.  Give me a break.  Even IF he only taxed what was bad for you it would still be pathetic. The Governor is clueless & doesn't keep up with health news.  Diet pop is just as bad for you as regular pop because after a while, the body treats sugar substitutes just like sugar.  

If they want to tax what's bad for us - they should tax being liberal. That would cover just about everything

How about

How about taxing the MSM/liberals/Democrats every time they say or print something stupid.  That would reduce the deficit in no time.

 

Remembering little Caylee Anthony (2005-2008).  May justice be served.

good idea missmuffin

or every time they cry racism, homophobia, sexism, bigotry & intolerance and every time they are racist, homophobic, sexist and bigoted and intolerant.  Their religion bashing alone should raise lots of money. 

She even

talks like a nanny.  "Oh now." "Stop."  What a douche.  This reminds me of when Obama said "I want to make government cool again."  Bleeechh 

Bourbeau, I know what you mean, but we upstaters' views get overwhelmed by Manhattan.  Up here, we're more like Alaska.  We just don't have the population to countervail the limousine liberals and the huge Jewish vote, which always go Democrat, much to everyone's bewilderment.  It's very frustrating, believe me.  Especially when part of our property taxes go to those dreadful NYC schools.    We're not all moonbats.   I promise to do my part.

Apologies Karin

My apology for using the broad brush.  Though I'm originally from Brooklyn, I lived in Saratoga County for twelve years, and now I'm near Boston (and don't even think we're any better here).  I know the downstate limousine liberals drive you nuts and broke, and I hate to see the entire state get hosed by them.  However, as and ex NYer, it pains me to see how disgustingly dishonest the legislature is; the disastrous budgeting and revenue plans of both Bloomberg and Paterson have put forth; the pompous attitude of people like Schumer, who to me, is the epitomy of why we're in this mess - too many years spewing his nonsense in front of a micorphone, filling his pockets w/taxpayer money, and supporting programs completely detrimental to the state.  Somewhere, NYers have got to stand up and start taking some of these guys out - start w/Bloomberg and Paterson.  Just yesterday I read where Suffolk County policemen cost those taxpayers $176,000 annually in pay and benefits - and this is only one locale; it's this kind of stuff that is ruining the state.  And now they want to elect a Kennedy to fix it?  The Kennedy's are the most secretive family in America; where's their money invested; what's Caroline's sources of income; oh, and by the way, let's see her tax returns.  These are dangerous times; it's time for NYers to elect a person they want, not some entitled wannabe, or someone by default.

Close but no cigar!

>> And now they want to elect a Kennedy to fix it? <<

No Bourbeau, they want all the rest of us to fix it through a bailout for NY.

Tax me!

How about taxing all newspapers and magazines (500%??) to fight 'global warming'. Hey, you can tax these talk shows too, they use tremendous amounts of coal fired power. You could call it a 'green tax' and make all the hippies happy.

D

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

My question

BRZEZINSKI: He's taxing everything that's bad for you.  That's cool.

So she DOES understand that taxing will deter progress.

So why do liberals think that taxing (business) will help?

You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?

Gregory

The Snide Gregory appeared this morning to espouse his own views as always prefaced with "critics say" or "it is said". On the middle east he touted Clinton's failed efforts with he "got caught trying". Bush didn't try, according to Gregory's critics. He ignored the fact that the West Bank is relatively peaceful under Abbas while faulting Bush for not supporting Abbas. I believe once Abbas knew it was up  to his group and the Israelis only to coexist, he chose to do so. Gregory did not quote me.

Dear Bourbeau,

Arrrgh  don't even get me started on that Kennedy woman!  Dittoes to everything you said.  It probably drives you crazy living in Taxachussetts, too.  It puzzles me, I've read some very thoughtful letters to the editor, and blog posts from people from Mass, in like WashTimes or NR.  I wonder where all these people are when it comes to the vote.

Anyway, guess what Bob Beckel said today on Fox?  He said that Caroline should have visited upstate, because we would be "surprised and pleased that she visited us, and would give her kind treatment in the press and easy questions."   Hardly!!! What a laugh, she'd be raked over the coals anywhere north of Utica.  What an arrogant thing to say.   

Did you know...

 

Beckel used to work for Acorn. Just thought I'd, you know, drop that in.

The Very Good Brzezinskis

Mika is good though, she is Brzezinski's daughter. They are good people and everyone should be like them. They really do believe this.
But they can cut out all the soda and fatty foods they want, they are still going to die. It won't change a thing. Arrogant people will always try to control the masses. The masses are stupid you know.
Now where did I leave my coke. Oh, there it is right next to my cigar.

It's amazing that a woman

It's amazing that a woman this mentally deficient would even have six bucks to hand over to a mugger.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan

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TAX THE MEDIA

TAX THE MEDIA

^^ beat me to it! The

^^ beat me to it!

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

Protect Everyone!

Why not just wrap the world and everything on it in bubblewrap so that no one can hurt themselves.  What a terribly stupid tax proposal.  Ironically they don't even realize that these types of taxes will affect the poor (those that they claim to be wanting to help) the most.