Mika Brzezinski realizes that the latest looniness emanating from Barack Obama's church poses political problems for the presidential candidate. But as a person of pallor, the ever-so-PC Morning Joe-er doesn't want to judge a black church—even when the most recent rantings come from the mouth of . . . a white preacher.
Morning Joe opened today with a clip of Father Michael Pfleger guest-preaching this past Sunday at Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ. Pfleger, a fixture on the radical Chicago scene whose endorsement of Obama [h/t Michelle Malkin] until recently appeared on the official Obama campaign website, mocked Hillary Clinton's New Hampshire tears as a sign of her frustrated sense of white entitlement. The screencap shows Pfleger making like Hillary wiping away those tears.
(Watch video above, context included, fast-forward to 3:40 for Brzezinski's humorous comment.)
But while acknowledging the headache Pfleger poses for Obama, Mika was oh-so-loath to comment on the substance or tone of the remarks themselves. Excerpts from her discussion with Tucker Carlson, Mike Barnicle and Willie Geist:
MIKE BARNICLE: If I were in the church, I mean if he were a Catholic priest in my parish and started doing that, I and everyone I know would get up and walk out: there'd be no second collection that day, by the way, Father.
MIKA BRZEZINSKI: But Barnicle, they'd be awake at least. I mean, there's the other argument: this is a theatrical presentation, but I gotta tell ya, the political ramifications, let's ask Tucker. Tucker, where do we begin?
TUCKER CARLSON: This is a sermon preached in Barack Obama's home church, and we know it's very much like a lot of other sermons preached in Barack Obama's home church over a long period of time, and yet Barack Obama is shocked, shocked that this sermon was preached. I mean, this exact guy, who was a close friend of the Reverend Wright's, was out defending Louis Farrakhan in the most aggressive possible terms recently, so it's not like we just learned he's a creep. And by the way, look at the congregation as he says this.
WILLIE GEIST: Yes.
CARLSON: They love it! They're on their feet. Now this is, again, Obama's home congregation. I'm not saying that for partisan reasons. I'm saying it because it gets to an unanswered and I think burning question which has never been resolved, which is: what the hell were you doing in that church for 20 years? Didn't you notice that?
BRZEZINSKI: It's a good question. I also think there are questions about these churches and the differences between certain churches, but right now what we can talk about --
CARLSON: What does that mean?
BRZEZINSKI: Well, I mean, you know, when it comes to this, I think the thing we ought to look at is potential political ramifications, and there will be some. Whether they are long term or short term, I don't know.
CARLSON: Well I'm interested in the spiritual ramifications.
BRZEZINSKI: I am too.
CARLSON: If you describe this church as your spiritual home, the place that shaped you as a man, morally, and the congregation is on its feet cheering this kind of crap, what does that say?
BRZEZINSKI: I want to hear from them.
CARLSON: I want an explanation.
BRZEZINSKI: I want to hear from them. I certainly don't want to sit here—four white people—assessing this church.
CARLSON: Oh, I do! I think that's totally fair. By the way, the preacher was white! I don't think this has to do with race: it has to do with hatred.BRZEZINSKI: I noticed that. Oh, God. [The screencap shows the flummoxed Mika ducking her head.]
This is the liberal mindset that says whites can't condemn bigotry in a black setting—even when it comes from the mouth of a white preacher. The same mentality that in the context of Rev. Wright's remarks led Time's Rick Stengel to condemn whites for their "incredible ignorance" about black churches. This is the soft bigotry of low expectations.
UPDATE: Roland Martin Comments to NewsBusters on Father Pfleger 
CNN contributor Roland Martin [who back in April, while praising Rev. Wright for his remarks at the Detroit NAACP, gave him an 'F' for his comments to the National Press Club] and I have been exchanging emails on related matters this morning. Martin, also a radio talk show host, has offered NewsBusters his comments on the Father Pfleger flap:
What makes this truly a hot media story has nothing to do with Father Pfleger's comments. It is the fact that Sen. Barack Obama is running for president, the comments were made in the pulpit at his church, Trinity United Church of Christ, and were made by a white Catholic priest who is an ardent supporter of him.
Had Pfleger made his comments in his church, and wasn't an Obama supporter, folks would summarily ignore what he said. Look at that fool Pastor David Manning out of Harlem. He has said some of the most vile comments imaginable about Obama, even alleging a gay relationship with Rev. Wright, and although he has often appeared on conservative radio shows —and even Hannity & Colmes TV show—he has largely been ignored.
Pfleger made his comments during a more detailed sermon at Trinity on the same day the United Church of Christ wanted to have a dialogue on race. Will there be a broader discussion on what folks think is white entitlement? Nope. This will be caught up in a major political discussion.
What I'm shocked at is how Pfleger didn't realize that even mentioning Obama, Clinton or McCain would somehow be ignored. This is nuts. Absolutely nuts. I don't get why pastors who have chosen to get involved in the political process—knowing full well the toxic mixing of race, religion and politics—would even go there.
The comments were dumb to even make, even if he thought them! Have I heard them said before by whites and blacks about Clinton? Yes! Have I heard whites say blacks feel entitled to the president? Yes! But do you say it publicly? Of course not! The emails I've gotten from whites, blacks, males and females that are far worse than what Pfleger has uttered would never be said by a public person who has endorsed either candidate.
If he had referenced Clinton feeling entitled to the nomination, no one would have gotten upset. Why? Because that has been discussed for months on television and radio. But the mere mention of her being entitled to the nomination because she's white? Oh, yea, this was easy to see would blow up.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
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I have heard of...
May 30, 2008 - 07:57 ET by heldmyw..."Bending over backwards" to try to do something, but this takes it to a WHOLE new level!
How blatant, disgusting and repulsive does something in Obama's front yard does something have to get before even the worst partisans of the MSM say, "Hey! That's not good."?
It is fun to watch them squirm, though.
DAILY QUESTION - Who's Smarter? Mika B. or An Old Tennis Shoe?
May 30, 2008 - 08:16 ET by SgthulkaThe shoe, hands down.
It's painful to watch this woman try to keep up the pace of a debate or an analysis by one of MJ's guests.
She appears to have been taught that constant chatter, regardless of it's relevancy, is an indication of expertise and wit.
to libs,
May 30, 2008 - 09:02 ET by pbanks7Eloquence = intelligence, inarticulence = stupidity.
MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe.
HEY MIKA - SHUT THE HELL UP
May 30, 2008 - 10:05 ET by SickofLibsCan you imagine going out to dinner with this d-bag? I wouldn't last five minutes.
I have a mockingbird that just moved into my neighborhood; it sits on the wires in front of my house and starts this incessant non-stop chattering around 4 am. Series of four calls, never repeating. Dweet, twik, click, click. Rrrr, chink, doop, doop. you get the idea. Really loud. There is not even a 5-second break, ever.
Blasting rap to Gitmo detainees to 'encourage confessions'? F that, just a few of these birds placed outside the cells would get the job done in a day. How do you say 'MOMMY!!!!' in Arabic?
It's now 11:00 am and the MF is still going strong. Actually I am a bird lover, but I swear I am going to take this bastard out with my BB gun, maybe today.
That being said, if I had to be stuck in a room and choose between listening to this psycho bird vs. Mika, I'd go with the bird.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Sickof
May 30, 2008 - 11:45 ET by the strugglerI like the bird story.LoL!
Thanks Struggler. I swear
May 30, 2008 - 12:24 ET by SickofLibsThanks Struggler. I swear it's true.
Just popped off a few shots, but missed; the little bastard flew to a nearby tree, just out of range (of my BB gun, not my ears). Will update tomorrow around 5 am. Stay tuned.
'To Kill a Mockingbird' was not just a conjured-up movie title. He's going down.
I would rather have an
May 30, 2008 - 12:13 ET by mulerider24I would rather have an English Mastiff barking directly in my ear than a mockingbird sitting outside my window. As for the BB gun solution, I just hope you don't live in Texas, Arkansas, Florida, Mississippi, or Tennessee. I hear they taste like chicken though.
May 30, 2008 - 12:35 ET by SickofLibsInteresting article: "Our State Bird is an Asshole - An Indictment of the Mockingbird"
http://www.localistmagazine.com/mockingbird.htm
As one who resides in
May 30, 2008 - 12:36 ET by RESTLESS 1As one who resides in Texas, I say take the little bastard out. Oh, and they don't taste like chicken, they taste like mockingbird. ;>)
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
I'm with you,
May 30, 2008 - 12:56 ET by SickofLibsI'm with you, Restless.
Attention: all Citizens of States with the mockingbird designated as official 'State Bird'... what's your state tree, poison ivy?!
Well, our state tree is the
May 30, 2008 - 13:00 ET by RESTLESS 1Well, our state tree is the pecan. When they start droppin nuts they can be just as annoying though. The state flower is the bluebonnet, really just a pretty weed. I'd prefer the "Indian Paintbrush", ...I mean the "Native American Art Utensil".
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
»→ State bird
May 30, 2008 - 13:09 ET by Cool ArrowAnd our State bird was "Born to Mock"
But you know Nature is all amok when you hear a mockingbird doing ringtones.
That's just wrong.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
"What's your state tree, poison ivy?!"
May 30, 2008 - 13:05 ET by MassConserv"What's your state tree, poison ivy?!"
ROFL Thanks SOL, I needed that.
BTW, good luck with the bird. Happy hunting.
Sick of... I have never
May 30, 2008 - 14:42 ET by bigtimerSick of...
I have never read a better description of Mika and what she does to ones' mind...
I am truly laughing out loud and have been for about three or four minutes until I could finally post...
You made my day!
Post of the week as far as I am concerned!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
There must be a special this
May 30, 2008 - 07:59 ET by KillgraveThere must be a special this week for white, pasty, middle-aged sell-out attention whores.
Nothing is more embarassing than a white person acting like a total idiot in order to gain approval of blacks. This is the white version of an "uncle Tom".
He may get those claps, those cheers, and the pennies in the hat. But no one respects a sell-out apologist. Maybe one day this moron will realize it.
Who's he selling out?
May 30, 2008 - 08:14 ET by americaneagleThis guy is a longtime friend and associate of Rev. Wright and is well known to the people at Trinity UCC, and I seriously doubt that this is his first rodeo there. He is on record as defending Louis Farrakhan in public and he is well known as a serious left leaner in both his theology and his politics. So just whom, pray tell, is he allegedly selling out?
As for his being an "Uncle Tom", he is not doing anything other than what he has always done. From what I have heard about him, this is his usual style of preaching and this is just the type of message he has been putting out for years.
Maybe you need to check the issue of race and/or race relations at the door on this one, because race was not a factor in this particular story except for Mika attempting to use race as a reason not to criticize one of Obama's supporters.
Uncle Tom
May 30, 2008 - 08:20 ET by mofosesameI never, ever thought I'd see an adult "yo-boy" portray himself as a man of God.
He's a sell out.
Okay, I'll be more blunt. We
May 30, 2008 - 08:28 ET by KillgraveOkay, I'll be more blunt.
We have a white guy here who is doing nothing but pandering to blacks. He uses his skin color to mock a fellow white person using the crudest black stereotypes towards whites. So, yes, he is "selling out" his status as a white person.
OK I'll be even more blunt
May 30, 2008 - 11:29 ET by merlin61He is not only selling out his status as a white
person, he is selling out his status as a priest.
God is love, this man is pushing hatred, and I
hope Cardinal George takes serious action against
this man. Supposedly he is having a meeting with
him today and I'm awaiting the results. He should
be de-frocked. I'm a Chicagoan, and this man has
been pulling this stuff for years and should not
be taken seriously. I'm sorry but he's a
disgrace to the priesthood.
Given that he is "liberal,"
May 30, 2008 - 11:43 ET by lotrGiven that he is "liberal," and pro-Obama, I would assume he is also openly pro-abortion, which, technically speaking, is grounds for excommunication. This is a priest-scandal of a different color (pardon the pun).
Wait a minute...
May 30, 2008 - 12:33 ET by Indiana Joe"...race was not a factor in this particular story..."
Huh? The guy was talking all about race, how it was HRC's sense of "white entitlement" that is causing the backlash against Obama. And how, by extension, all the attacks on Obama are racially motivated.
I don't get how you can say race isn't a factor here until Mika brought it up.
This guy is a prime example of bringing politics into religion, which the left has a BIG problem with when it's a conservative priest even mentioning a candidate in church.
Way to go, Tucker!!
May 30, 2008 - 08:02 ET by motherbeltWay to go, Tucker!!
Of course it's fair to judge what one is seeing! It's right there, in context!! Why can't anyone make a judgment about what they're seeing?
Mika is so concerned about offending someone that she will watch this and pretend that she can't "judge" it??? Doesn't matter if the priest is white, it's still a black church, and that means it's immune from criticism.
Good grief!!
The best part is when he says:
May 30, 2008 - 08:04 ET by sarcasmo"Well I'm interested in the spiritual ramifications."
As if any nonpolitical ramifications exist in nutcase-land...
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
That's How Liberals Operate
May 30, 2008 - 08:17 ET by Gothampc"Doesn't matter if the priest is white, it's still a black church, and that means it's immune from criticism."
That's how Democrats have been able to make inroads with blacks. They go into their churches and campaign knowing that Republicans, Christians and the government won't say anything about it. You've seen Hillary in black churches. You've seen John Kerry in black churches. They go there because black churches are off limits towards criticism.
Where's the ACLU????
May 30, 2008 - 11:33 ET by merlin61This is a church!!! If it were not a black church,
the ACLU would be all over their case because
of separation of church and state. They are
violating their charitable status by invoking
political names in church. Get the Feds on their
case.
Yeah, if this is not open
May 30, 2008 - 13:01 ET by BDYeah, if this is not open solicitation of a political nature, I have no idea what is.
Can you imagine if a catholic Priest simply tood up and said "Please vote for John Doe, he is against Abortion"? The ACLU would be attempting to defund everything Catholic related up to and including the Vatican...
BD...Excellent,
May 30, 2008 - 21:55 ET by bigtimerBD...
Excellent, excellent, point about the good ol' hypocritical ACLU.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
big, here is the IRS Code......501(c)(3) IRC
May 31, 2008 - 12:47 ET by BEGRUNT"Under the Internal Revenue Code, all IRC section
501(c)(3) organizations, including churches and religious
organizations, are absolutely prohibited from directly or
indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political
campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate
for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign
funds or public statements of position (verbal or
written) made by or on behalf of the organization in favor
of or in opposition to any candidate for public office
clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign
activity. Violation of this prohibition may result in denial
or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of
certain excise tax."
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
I would slightly amend that BD, not in Church.
May 31, 2008 - 10:38 ET by exLibI agree with the tenor of this thread here but I would say what the ACLU does best is go after smaller organizations.
They would probably not go after the Catholic Church because it likely could defend itself.
But I go to a smaller independent church and they would certainly go after us IF anything like this happened but our church respects it's tax deferred status and rarely speaks about political matters at all from the pulpit except maybe to speak in generalities about larger issues.
As said above, I was amazed that this was said in a church from the pulpit. If there was ever a blantant reason to remove tax-exempt status from this church this is it.
That was a partisan political stump speech, What does that have to do with God, Jesus, The bible or being a better Christian? NOTHING.
Agreed, it's disturbing that
May 30, 2008 - 21:42 ET by GameGridAgreed, it's disturbing that Obama's church is so politically charged, it's enough that they preach black liberation theology but it seems like they are trying to fill in for the lack of liberal talk radio for their members. Of course I don't understand why anyone would want to go to a church that talks politics at all, it doesn't matter if it is mingled with some religion or not.
Merlin... You are
May 30, 2008 - 22:05 ET by Clear thinkerMerlin...
You are pointing out a fine example of racism. And I was always told that Dems don't do that. Yeah right!
"Abstain from McCain"
Whats Next For Hil??
May 30, 2008 - 08:03 ET by kilrodA nightmare could happen; She could pull out of the Dimocrat party, found the Womens Democrat Party of America, run as the nominee, and create all kinds of hell in the election.!!hohoho!!
The devils advocate is not down in Georgia, he's somewhere here in cyberspace.!!
(GRINS)
kilrod
You're onto something. But I
May 30, 2008 - 09:24 ET by malcumYou're onto something. But I think the end game has HRC having enough of her party turning on her, treating her like the trailer trash she is and getting even. She's getting a lesson on why so many people become conservatives as they get older and wiser. She understands [as Obama apparently does not ] that it's going to take a lot of white votes to get him elected even if the democrats win all the congressional seats. She knows she has the power to kill his chances in november. Once her inevitible defeat takes place, plan A,B, or C will begin. Whites will be so sick of hearing about race, slavery, and the new national staple "black whining" that he may only win Massachusetts.
I look for her to become a Leiberman/Zell Miller kind of democrat. [she'll have to keep the party affiliation because she will need those idiots for her comeback]. Finally, she will spend the next 4 years piling up money and learning how to be Ronald Reagan IAPS.
It's plainly obvious: She's
May 30, 2008 - 08:04 ET by lotrIt's plainly obvious: She's a star-struck Obama girl and she just can't contain herself.
Newsreader Logic
May 30, 2008 - 08:12 ET by Gothampc"BRZEZINSKI: I want to hear from them. I certainly don't want to sit here—four white people—assessing this church."
I'm not German, I certainly don't want to assess this Hitler guy.
I'm not a woman, I certainly don't want to assess this abortion doctor.
I'm not gay, I certainly don't want to assess gay marriage.
Hatemongers
May 30, 2008 - 08:20 ET by TaserCatI'm surprised the hatemongers at MSNBC tolerate the clear thinking and rational thought Tucker's dishing.
Where's Olbermann when you need him, to snuff out any dissent?
Does this "church" ever
May 30, 2008 - 08:22 ET by Conservative in the ArtsDoes this "church" ever preach from the bible, or is all of it about how evil whity is?
Of course they do.
May 30, 2008 - 08:31 ET by motherbeltOf course they do. Jeremiah Wright did. When he said G-D America, he said "It's in the Bible...for killing innocent people...."
See?
and it seems that is the
May 30, 2008 - 12:07 ET by Conservative in the Artsand it seems that is the closest they ever get to the bible. Nancy must belong to a church like this too: say anything you want then say "it's in the bible."
Ridiculous
May 30, 2008 - 08:30 ET by ThatDudeLet man not be judged by the color of his skin, but by his character. A bigot is a bigot is a bigot. I don't know about anybody else, but I would condemn any preacher who preaches politics. A preacher's job is to guide others in their religion; to speak and interpret the holy book. So white apologists are among the protected class as well, apparently. The democrats and political correctness are taking race relations back to the '60s. When will they realize that equality means that every man is to be judged the same as his neighbor?
Dude,
May 30, 2008 - 08:43 ET by harqmanDude,
It has been admitted time and again through this Wright process that politics is "preached" in black churches and it is okay. No one says boo about it. "Aah well it is just accepted that politics is part of the fabric of a black church. That is just who we are. If you speak out about it we will label you a hate monger and racist. We will destroy you and everyone around you. White boy."
If you preach politics in a white church you are labeled KKK and your tax exempt status is questioned by not only the black community but the MSM.
God bless America.
Mika
May 30, 2008 - 08:37 ET by harqmanMika, the prettiest girl on the short bus. Even with her helmet on. That is what it must be like to watch me correct and debate my five year old. Me on the losing side of course for all the dads out there.
She is embarrassing. How Tucker does not just laugh at her I do not know.
Mika....last
May 30, 2008 - 09:12 ET by motherbeltMika....last name.....cafeteria.....
Lunatics
May 30, 2008 - 08:40 ET by Long Island PeteThe Religious Left rears it's ugly head.
I snipped this from a
May 30, 2008 - 08:45 ET by KillgraveI snipped this from a related article:
"Pfleger, the white pastor of predominantly black Saint Sabina Roman Catholic Church on the city's Southwest side, said he regretted his choice of words.
"These words are inconsistent with Senator Obama's life and message and I am deeply sorry if they offended Senator Clinton or anyone else who saw them," Pfleger said."
I love the term "choice of words". This is the foundation of a non-apology.
I also love how Father Mike "apologizes" for straying off the "message". He's basically acknowledging the damage he's done to the fabricated "image" that Obama has been tirelessly crafting.
The more the left talks, the more their inherent idiocy and hypocrisy comes out. We should let them talk as much as possible.
I find it ironic that
May 30, 2008 - 08:48 ET by general companyI find it ironic that most of the bigots are speaking for the left.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Who is Barry Sotero?
May 30, 2008 - 09:13 ET by iveseenitallMika is Mika. "Liberals" are ignorant "liberals". IMHO, the more serious issue is Barry Sotero's (a.k.a. Barack H. Obama) 20 year relationship with this gang of white-hating, America-hating racists. Is this what we want representing America to the world? Why has the left-wing media kept this boy a secret for so long? Why did Barry change his name? Why haven't we seen more pictures of his family? Why was his brother named Fidel in honor of Castro? Why haven't we seen the texts of his 2006 speeches in Africa? What side are he and his family on in the African political wars? Why was there a banner of Che in one of his campaign headquarters? Even this Catholic "priest" mocked how he came out of nowhere to defeat white Hillary. And even the name Sotero is spelled different ways. Who is Barry Sotero?
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Good stand up comedy
May 30, 2008 - 09:05 ET by SouthJersey1953Maybe it is just me, but I thought Father Michael Pfleger's comedy routine was hillarious!!
What? This wasn't at a Comedy Club? never mind!!
SJ,
May 30, 2008 - 09:12 ET by MassConservI had the same thought this morning when I heard the clip played on Imus.
It made for a hillarious comedy routine. If it had been intended as a comedy routine.
(un)Holy Crap
May 30, 2008 - 09:18 ET by SickofLibsSJ, I agree, when I first saw it, I though it was a parody skit. Turns out it's really another white guilt sleeper cell.
I belong to a Franciscan parish in North NJ and I thought they were far left... holy crap
I thought it was funny
May 30, 2008 - 10:02 ET by Adam_MEBut the problem is it continues to portray Obama as a black candidate and that only hurts his chances in the general election. He can't be too happy about this.
This raunchy
May 30, 2008 - 09:14 ET by AlgerHissThis raunchy priest Pfleger appears to be a rehash of the Berrigan Brothers.
Any Catholic that puts up with garbage like him ought to be ashamed of themselves.
Rochester, Minnesota: A Fem_Leftist City!
»→ Pfleminem 8-mile
May 30, 2008 - 09:25 ET by Cool ArrowShall we hark to Pflegm's call?
Is this guy Wright lite or White Wright?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Father Michael Pfleger --
May 30, 2008 - 09:34 ET by Jack BauerMaybe it's that left gene, white gene thing the Rev Wright is so obsessed about.
»→ Jack
May 30, 2008 - 09:40 ET by Cool ArrowWas Fleminem "ridin dirty" or what?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
These groups
May 30, 2008 - 10:08 ET by cvgbuckeyeThese groups, Barack Obama's campaign, the democrat party, churches like this, all the other left wing bunches, are responsible for setting race relations back 75 years (or more).
If Obama is elected, it will even get worse. It is true that America is MORE THAN READY for a black president. However, America IS NOT READY for a racist man and his supporters like Obama, and a main stream media that wants to force him upon us to sooth some sort of sick white guilt that they harbor and will lead to a socialist government in this country that will make the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic look like a tea party.
If you want to see people go to prison because someone just suspects that they had a racist thought while showering one morning, then just allow these people to come to power.
Same song, second verse...
May 30, 2008 - 10:21 ET by BarkerIt looks as though the same demon that possessed Reverend Jim Jones has found a home in Michael Pfleger.
Why? Because 1) It has
May 30, 2008 - 11:22 ET by wiwfWhy? Because 1) It has something to do with Hussein, and 2) It's all that damn white guilt that we inherited from our great great great grandfathers. After all, my views are exactly the same as his 200 years ago!
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
Father Pfleger
May 30, 2008 - 11:43 ET by okiehawk44Was it just me or did some of the rest of you catch the good Catholic Father's black vocal inflections while "channeling" Hillary in Rev. Jeremiah Wright's T.U.C.C.?
Is he suggesting that Hillary is black?
Is he suggesting that Hillary talks like that?
Is he patronizing his audience?
Is he aware how offensive he should be to Barack Obama's fellow parishioners?
I've often said that short
May 30, 2008 - 11:49 ET by ConservativeRexI've often said that short of Obami being filmed raping a puppy, the MSM will find nothing wrong in him. Even this pederast in his church preaching won't de-rail a single thing. After all, we Conservatives will have "taken what he said out of context" like we always do.
Quick Question for Democrats
May 30, 2008 - 12:32 ET by candanceHey Obama campaign....
What the friggin crap ever happened to separation of church and state?
Is this what we have to look forward to under an Obama presidency - ministers and church leaders openly mocking his enemies on national TV? How is this junk ANY DIFFERENT from dictators who get their minions to verbally attack people?
It's one thing for a pastor to complain about pro life issues or gay marriage. But to mock a former president with profanity and charges of racism?
Mark my words, this is just the beginning. The hatred for Hillary Clinton shows us how Obama plans to castigate anyone in his way.
Liberals and Democrats
May 30, 2008 - 12:49 ET by MSD6Question 1: Is it just me or does it seem that 90% the bigotry, racism and hate is coming from those on the left?
Question 2: I know Obama has condemned Wright and Pfleger but is he still a member of his church?
Question 3: Am I the only one who thinks Wright's replacement as pastor is also racist?
Exactly how far does this
May 30, 2008 - 12:51 ET by Ten7sExactly how far does this have to go before everyone figures out that B.H. Obama's absolutely unacceptable? That he's gotten this far is a dark stain on the American electorate.
Pfleger
May 30, 2008 - 12:54 ET by KC MulvilleI don't accept that as a white man, I have no business discussing what happens in this black church, because this church professes to be Christian. I contend that Christianity doesn't change between white and black people. But even so, as a Catholic (and an ex-Jesuit at that), I am completely entitled to discuss this Catholic priest's behavior. I won't discuss the political impact of his performance, but I can discuss the spiritual impact of it.
This priest's behavior is embarrassing. This is not how priests are supposed to behave. It's such an obvious pandering to the crowd that it's hard to watch. The only possible excuse is that Pfleger wanted to support the validity of the crowd's feelings of race resentment, as if he wanted to assure them that their feelings were accurate. But my question then is: does Pfleger really think that black people needed a white priest to validate their feelings? That's far more condescending than the racism he strives to acknowledge!
What bothers me most is that I see no sense of forgiveness in what the priest says. Priests should always talk about sin, but never sin without forgiveness. You don't spotlight injuries without giving the audience some way to deal with the injury. Instead, this kind of flamboyant performance simply encourages the audience to wallow in their resentment. Much as I dislike Hillary Clinton, it's deeply unfair to target her as the focus of white racism, and to ridicule her for imagined and projected white supremacist feelings. Yet, for the sake of the crowd's adulation, Pfleger indulges in ridiculing Hillary. Then he argues that there's a whole lot of white people equally upset at a black man's success. That isn't forgiveness, even if it was on Hillary.
People seeking the approval of man over the approval of God
May 30, 2008 - 13:06 ET by timrfrench61And when the radical priest
Come to get me released
We was all on the cover of Newsweek
»→ It's against the law
May 30, 2008 - 13:14 ET by Cool ArrowAnd this man daily holds the Body and Blood of Christ in his hands.
Catholics must be so profoundly proud.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
"But my question then is:
May 30, 2008 - 13:08 ET by Killgrave"But my question then is: does Pfleger really think that black people needed a white priest to validate their feelings? That's far more condescending than the racism he strives to acknowledge!"
Extremely well said.
This act of his is strangely even more tone-deaf than the "you people" Perot speech. Ironically, this falls neatly into the "lame whitey" black stereotype.
I'm still trying to wrap my
May 30, 2008 - 12:55 ET by marpelI'm still trying to wrap my pea brain around this diatribe from this so-called priest. What the hell is the matter with him? And he's speaks like a black man! A pandering fool.
Where's the archbishop of his diocese? Obama's toast if this keeps up.
Yeah. They will need to
May 30, 2008 - 13:19 ET by KillgraveYeah. They will need to completely shut down that fruitcake church and lock all those loudmouths in a basement until next Christmas.
The Jews have Rabbi Aaron
May 30, 2008 - 13:02 ET by BlazerThe Jews have Rabbi Aaron Cohen and now the Catholics have Father Michael Phleger.
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/17307/ahron-cohen
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1755495/posts
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
»→ Blazer
May 30, 2008 - 13:12 ET by Cool ArrowThat's PflEminem.
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"PflEminem." LOL ! "You
May 30, 2008 - 13:17 ET by Blazer"PflEminem."
LOL !
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Votin 4 Hillary
May 30, 2008 - 13:18 ET by candanceDoesn't Obama realize that this doesn't help his image of The Great Unifier? As more and more of this stuff comes out, Hillary supporters are getting tired of being called racist whiteys. It'll get to the point that they can't stomach voting for Obama if Hillary drops out.
First William Ayers, then Jeremiah Wright, then this guy here...Obama can't keep saying these people are all just radical supporters.
»→ Roland Martin's right
May 30, 2008 - 13:22 ET by Cool Arrow"Pfleger made his comments during a more detailed sermon at Trinity on the same day the United Church of Christ wanted to have a dialogue on race."
PflEminem made his remarks at a Black church knowing he'd get the same press explosion Jeremiah Wright did. He could shout this drivel all day at his own church and who would cover it?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Just asking...
May 30, 2008 - 13:26 ET by Chris NormanAre straight white Americans permitted to judge anything now days? Please advise.
No
May 30, 2008 - 13:38 ET by MassConservPlease report to the Berkley Re-educa... Uh... Rehabilitation Center at 9 AM sharp on Monday.
You will have the remainder of the weekend to consider the repercussions of your transgression.
I am a victim of the
May 30, 2008 - 14:27 ET by Chris NormanI am a victim of the American Cutural Revolution under the leadership of Chairman Obama.
Just bring your pick and
May 30, 2008 - 14:33 ET by MassConservJust bring your pick and shovel and if you're still alive by next Friday you may be allowed to resume your place in society.
You're lucky this is only a first offense.
;-)
Chris
May 30, 2008 - 13:40 ET by candanceWhat, can't you keep up with acceptable white speech anymore? Let's go over this again so there's no misunderstanding. White people are permitted to criticize the following:
-Mormons
-Big Oil executives
-country music stars
-white trash
-a little more on the Mormons
-anyone named Bush
-black Republicans
-Catholic priests who are specifially charged with pedophilia, but not Muslims who might be charged
-border patrol agents
-anyone who works for Fox News
-talk radio hosts
-conservative bloggers
-a little more on the Mormons
Be advised that any criticizism beyond the scope of this list will result in a public lashing on Countdown, demands of an apology to Barack Obama, and 10 videos of your crime promoted on YouTube for public inspection.
The Foolican-Candance Free Speech Act of 2008
May 30, 2008 - 13:56 ET by FoolicanYour list is way too lenient. May I offer the following revisions:
And may I make the following additions:
Just thought I'd make that revision. Don't want people getting too politically incorrect.
excellent Fool
May 30, 2008 - 14:00 ET by candanceI was purposely being vague as a test to see if anyone on NB would truly know their place. Sadly though, with as well as you did, you forgot a few lesser-known targets.
-homeschoolers
-anyone who lives in Kentucky
-snake handlers
-global warming deniers
-police
-white people who attend Duke
-gun owners
-those who say Merry Christmas in public
-anyone who rode in a swift boat in Vietnam
-smokers
-those who own Hummers
As the list continues to evolve based on what gets on Barack Obama's nerves, stand by for updates.
You guys forgot to add
May 30, 2008 - 14:02 ET by BlazerYou guys forgot to add "Nascar" fans to the list.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
nods at Blazer
May 30, 2008 - 14:09 ET by candanceGood work comrade. I think our work here is nearly complete.
edit: We can't leave out fat people or old people - Leon will be so disappointed!
Thanks Candance. I missed
May 30, 2008 - 14:11 ET by MassConservThanks Candance. I missed last week's meeting and forgot to ask for the minutes.
»→ One more comrade
May 30, 2008 - 14:12 ET by Cool ArrowCan we include all the African Americans yachting off the coast of Hyannis Port?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
CA
May 30, 2008 - 14:14 ET by MassConservUnless they're on a Kennedy yacht they probably are assumed to fall under the designation of black republican.
"Can we include all the
May 30, 2008 - 14:18 ET by Blazer"Can we include all the African Americans yachting off the coast of Hyannis Port?"
ROFL. Now thats friggin funny. And Ted thinks those windmills would have ruined his view.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
yes!
May 30, 2008 - 14:23 ET by candanceMust I explain the rules to every detail?
Skin color is trumped by political persuasion (see black Republicans) and/or monetary success.
In case you observe someone with contradictory classifications, here is the heirarchy:
Let's not forget pro-death
May 30, 2008 - 14:13 ET by RESTLESS 1Let's not forget pro-death penalty people, or anti-gay marriage people.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Oh and "white Christian
May 30, 2008 - 14:11 ET by BlazerOh and "white Christian males" also. (but only if thier conservative)
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
And fat people. Or has that
May 30, 2008 - 14:06 ET by MassConservAnd fat people.
Or has that been rescinded since Leon left?
rofl mass
May 30, 2008 - 14:10 ET by candanceCheck my post above - GMTA!
I guess we now have a
May 30, 2008 - 14:10 ET by Chris NormanI guess we now have a corollary of political correctness: things that white Americans (especially conservatives) are not permitted to "judge" or criticize. All others are politically incorrect and therefore fair game.
Yo, Smokers
May 30, 2008 - 14:37 ET by kilrodYo bamma O-dumma is a smoker, yall be carefull now, i gotta take a break, i need a cigarett.
(grins)
kilrod
unacceptable
May 30, 2008 - 15:44 ET by jaywlSenator Barack H. Obama has found these posts to be offensive to his very soul and unacceptable. We have compiled the list. At an appropiate time he will address the issue and their punish...a remedy.
unacceptable
May 30, 2008 - 22:13 ET by candanceReferring to Obama's middle name? That's a Class 1 hate crime. You have revealed yourself as a conservative in disguise.
Learn to sleep with your eyes open.
Same School..........
May 30, 2008 - 13:31 ET by DanoMika and Alan Colmes went to the same schools together !
Dano... Figures now
May 30, 2008 - 14:46 ET by bigtimerDano...
Figures now doesn't it...what the heck does the school specialize in...total irrational irratation.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Answer me this!
May 30, 2008 - 13:51 ET by MeanderingWhile, Tucker Carlson rips Mika a new one (good for you) and she knows that this will be bad for her "messiah" Obama, I have to say I've been going to church my entire life and NOT ONCE has anyone spoken any type of smack against any politician or government offical at the pulpit. I have heard numerous sermons about the REAL Messiah, Jesus Christ and His love for ALL people. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but church is a time to worship our Lord, not listen to half-brained nitwits who can barely complete a sentence without cursing, speaking bad about our great nation, or commenting about politics. "By their fruits, ye shall know them."
meandering
May 30, 2008 - 14:04 ET by candanceI've been to more than 30 churches across nine different states, and I have never heard a minister of any denom give a sermon like that. This is not mainstream by any means.
"This is not mainstream by
May 30, 2008 - 14:14 ET by Chris Norman"This is not mainstream by any means."
Unless you're talking about the mainstream of a molten lava flow...
Candance
May 30, 2008 - 14:43 ET by MeanderingThank you for reassuring me that churches are still preaching about Christ and not about Obama and Clinton. I too have been to many states and found that politics is not discusses at the pulpit. At least most of the churches in the U.S. still teach about Christ and the ones that don't I will not be attending.
you have to forgive mika...
May 30, 2008 - 14:37 ET by chumposhe probably realizes Pfleger will be added to MSNBC's election night coverage.
he fits right in with the hillary bashers-obama fan(atics) Cowan, Shuster, Matthews, Olby....
...i gotta stop before i list pretty much all of the NBC News/MSNBC employees
Mika gives up
May 30, 2008 - 15:23 ET by jaywlMika has proved, again, the old maxim "there are no liberals in the foxhole", or something like that. When she gets boxed in by Carlson, totally under his control, and he won't let go, what does she do? Oh Oh God! A real ding-a-ling.
HA! HA! That John McCain
May 30, 2008 - 15:59 ET by RMRHA! HA! That John McCain must be luckiest man alive. Come the general, he should have a warehouse full of this stuff.
Can't wait for the Michelle Obama tapes.
To Roland Martin: Good luck in trying to convince voters that even though Obama spent 20 plus years submerged in this much hate, he is as "innocent" as a newborn baby and still America's last chance for "hope and change".
I have lost count on how many times this supposed "brilliant" man, Barack Obama, was "shocked" by people of his inner circle mouthing some of the most vile anti-American, racist bile imaginable.
Are you saying, Roland, that a sure sign of "presidential-potential" is somone who brags of the intimate associations they hold with certain individuals ( eg.Wright and Pfleger ) to the point of declaring them "spiritual guides and mentors" - but know nothing about how they really feel about America and Americans in general?
Again, good luck Roland.
Once again, the Left doesnt get it
May 30, 2008 - 16:06 ET by ToddonCapeCodThe Left keeps thinking that this is a matter of race.
Nothing could be further from the truth! It's abotu ideology!
I don't care if Barack Hussein is white, black, red, green, yellow, or polka dot! He's a liberal. He's a Marxist. He's surrounded himself with people who hate this country, including his own wife. He's weak, he's naive, he's inexperienced. He cannot speak without a script in front of him. And that's why he should not be president!
Todd...
May 30, 2008 - 16:22 ET by Clear thinkerI imagine the left does know it's all about ideology, but they know they can't further thier cause by arguing their ideology. In my opionion they just use the race card to shut down any logical arguments from the right.
"Abstain from McCain"
I'm glad this happened
May 30, 2008 - 19:26 ET by SlicksterIt only shows once again that obama is a marxist America-hating liar.
Yo..Republican..you ain't never been to a Leftest Church before?
May 30, 2008 - 22:18 ET by JayTeeThis must be the 666 Anti-Christ.....because there ain't much Preaching about God going on. More like the Leftmost interpretation of Current Political Events....and the US Gov. doesn't like TAX Exempt Churches Preaching Politics from the Pulpit.
Howard Dean has Quit Drinking Alcohol....he's scared that if he starts Drinking...he Won't Stop...such is the need to erase this 2nd Diatribe from the Public View.
WHOAA !! This has gotta leave a Big Bruise on Bama...
I'l like to know WHO is TAKING Film at thata Church, and WHO is taking it OUT of the Church and giving it away to Republicans...because the MSM isn't gonna show it unless it becomes a "Scoop" and they are forced to Play it.
Who is this Masked Film Crew ? ? They are putting the weiner to Obamer....He's been Swift Boated by a White Man.....
religeon and politics and jobs
May 31, 2008 - 19:40 ET by JethrofishAnyone else sick of hearing about who's preachers are more crazy? Or which ones end up in affairs or doing meth with gay prostitutes? It is very sad that the republican party has been taken over by evangelicals to the point that high gov jobs only compentency require ment is membership in yer church.
The Dems are open to all so the wide net catches the insane ones, too. The republican party is the evangelical party and it wasn't that way 20 years ago, and moderate republicans ( remember them? ) are being drowned out by the freak show.
If Obama hires / relies on these preachers and their 'insight' ( see Bush / Pat Robertson ) he will be as bad as what has been done the last 8 years. So far no sign of him playing the Jesus lapel pin card or trying to divide by religeon. Hopefully McCain will grow a pair and put USA above Pat Robertson University.
For God's sake, keep God out of politics on both sides. Don't play "who loves jesus more?". It obviously hurts our country. Reagan didn't need that shi* to win and get things done.
Oh yea gotta throw in that believing in science is more important than anything a preacher says..if we are to stay # 1.
Duh..and undecided.
p.s. Hey Pastor Hagy - I'm Catholic and I vote.
Hey Jethro... Where's
May 31, 2008 - 19:49 ET by bigtimerHey Jethro...
Where's Ellie May?
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Ellie May what
May 31, 2008 - 20:40 ET by JethrofishAs I always says, ' if you can't respond in context, surely bring up someone's hot blonde sister'.
Her zipcode and email will remain a secret in an undisclosed bunker until some wellwisher actually agrees with my majority-approved though rakish comment above. I don't part out my siblings lightly, as I'm sure you wouldn't either.
p.s. please include details about your sister
jethro... Now what did
May 31, 2008 - 20:44 ET by bigtimerjethro...
Now what did you really do with Miss Hathaway?
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Miss Hathaway
May 31, 2008 - 21:07 ET by JethrofishShe always had a hankering for me but I didn't catch wind til the re-runs. What is fair to say is that she kept her fiduciary house in order as well as a fine bank - not regulated by that there FDIC at those times. If a folk wanted to run on a bank at 9:01am, that bank was done. Big Gov now helps out all them banks and they can F up and then the bail outs start and the deficit hits new record highs....but yes, Miss Hathaway had a great set of gams and I dig that uppidity look, Bigtimer.
Why Jethro... You've
May 31, 2008 - 21:14 ET by bigtimerWhy Jethro... You've learned some mighty fine big words there...just knew all the teachin' at them high falutin' schools would do ya' some good...saved us some $$$ there Jethro.
Now...where's Miss Hathaway?
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
»→ Jethro
May 31, 2008 - 21:26 ET by Cool ArrowPaw, Ellie May's down at the cement pond with a GOrilla.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
jethro
May 31, 2008 - 20:00 ET bycypher for us
Support our Troops
cypher?
May 31, 2008 - 21:00 ET by JethrofishBotg,
This cypher thing...I think you have it under control. Just keep it under 3 words and put it on a bumper sticker like "support our troops".
Until they get home, of course. And screw intelligence on sending them in harms way in the first place. And if someone speaks out against any policy, destroy their family, and lie about the whole mess, and budget, and get your buds to win no bid . no oversight contracts over there, hiring foreigners and not iraqis, creating more havoc... and will that fit on your bumper sticker?
Sometimes it's good to be only able to read yer 3 words at a time and not think. More bumper stickers! For those of use that actually have friends and family over there, they desever more than 3 words.
Sorry if you actually wanted me to cypher for you in an interpretary way or something...I took it as a putdown.
-Ellie May can't read much, nohow
Okay jethro...that's it...I
May 31, 2008 - 21:05 ET by bigtimerOkay Jethro...that's it...I demand to know what you did with Jed!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Jed, oh Jed
May 31, 2008 - 21:21 ET by JethrofishWhere's Jed, Bigtimer?
He lives in the hearts and minds of all who have basic cable. Think he did a lawyer show in the 80's or something.
This is what I get for using my real name and not something original like "bigtimer". No one wants to talk about the real issues of how we can dumb down elections to 'who loves jesus more'. I'm ready to dumb it down to the point where I'm calling Ellie May right now for a date.
Dumber than you,
J-thro
Ahhh....come on Jethro...I
May 31, 2008 - 21:29 ET by bigtimerAhhh....come on Jethro...I was jest funnin' ya some here...don't be so serious...
Btw...where's Granny?
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Granny?
May 31, 2008 - 21:44 ET by JethrofishWe don't speak of Granny since her meth conviction. A pest control company sampled her voice in the 90's and it's used to ward off insects and in-wall bugs. It was rumored that she ferreted mexican immigrants under her dress from San Diego to LA but I only got that from family holiday talk and we were all on the moonshine at those times.
She was adventurous so if you happened to have relations with her, there'sa backlog of unclaimed kids at GrannyHoe.net.
"if you're going through hell.....keep going." - Winston Churchill
Jethro...Jethro...Jethro..
May 31, 2008 - 22:02 ET by bigtimerJethro...Jethro...Jethro..
Come on..you never did get your stories straight...Granny likes he corn-cob pipe and natural ingredients that she inhales...typical msm, can't even get the story right.
Like you say...rumors, rumors, rumors.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
dude
May 31, 2008 - 21:46 ET by candanceWhy so defensive? They were just picking with you. Had BT actually known that was your real name she prolly wouldn't have mentioned it, but she's not a mind reader.
rofl "who loves Jesus more" Have you seen who is running this year?
Sounds like you came here to make fun of conservies more than anything.
you musn't yet dun gradiated
May 31, 2008 - 21:22 ET byyou musn't yet dun gradiated 6th grade otherwise you'd know
naught plus naught is naught
which is precisely the sense of your original post
Support our Troops
naught?
May 31, 2008 - 21:34 ET by JethrofishBotg,
Can your reply in slightly more detail? Not sure if you're 'present'. More God in gov? So what if I'd prefer not to have the 6th grade gradiations? At least I use big sentences. I have a bass boat that goes about 25 naughts if I put whiskey in the carbs. That ain't naught bad.
jethro
May 31, 2008 - 21:44 ET bylook just below, but i fear i should have stayed with the sarcasm
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jethro
May 31, 2008 - 22:07 ET bymore detail? the war is on poverty of thought
futher details are posted below
omg Bot
May 31, 2008 - 21:48 ET by candanceDude.
That was TOO funny.
I'm still laughing.
This guy sounds like he knows Leon.
Candance
May 31, 2008 - 21:55 ET byBlonde is right
"We need a better class of troll here"
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candance, I am beginning to think that Jethro here....
May 31, 2008 - 22:27 ET by R D Helm...is Leon. :-^)
-Jezz kiddin', Jethro
We are being smothered by government in this country. - Neal Boortz
Here is someone holding a Support our Troops sign
May 31, 2008 - 22:07 ET by JayTeeSUPPORT OUR TROOPS but the sign is too big to fit on the Bumper....and we were doing a little bit more than a Bumper sticker can do.
Jaytee
May 31, 2008 - 22:10 ET byquite true and i'm waiting for an e-mail as to what items need to go in a care package to Kuwait
Support our Troops
Anyone else sick of hearing
May 31, 2008 - 21:41 ET byAnyone else sick of hearing about who's preachers are more crazy? Or which ones end up in affairs or doing meth with gay prostitutes? It is very sad that the republican party has been taken over by evangelicals to the point that high gov jobs only compentency require ment is membership in yer church.
you got anything to back this up? McCain is anathama to evangelicals
The Dems are open to all so the wide net catches the insane ones, too.
all what?
The republican party is the evangelical party and it wasn't that way 20 years ago, and moderate republicans ( remember them? ) are being drowned out by the freak show.
oh is that why Roe v Wade and school prayer rulings have been overturned?
If Obama hires / relies on these preachers and their 'insight' ( see Bush / Pat Robertson ) he will be as bad as what has been done the last 8 years.
Pat Robertson, fyi, is a Catholic and W a born-aginer (try again)
So far no sign of him playing the Jesus lapel pin card or trying to divide by religeon. Hopefully McCain will grow a pair and put USA above Pat Robertson University. For God's sake, keep God out of politics on both sides.
Anyone with a Christian worldview (read who really believes) will have their political views informed by their faith.
Reagan didn't need that shi* to win and get things done.
better check your facts here
Oh yea gotta throw in that believing in science is more important than anything a preacher says..if we are to stay # 1.
Truth is truth and they don't contradict (God created both)
Duh..and undecided. p.s. Hey Pastor Hagy - I'm Catholic
this i doubt you don't have a worldview consistent with believing Catholic, that or you have no clue about your professed faith
and I vote.
God help us.
Support our Troops
quick revision
May 31, 2008 - 22:43 ET by candanceRobertson isn't Catholic.
candance
May 31, 2008 - 22:51 ET byyou are correct of course, doh! thank-you, i rarely listen to TV evangelists and i would doubt W does either.
btw: you need to add Arnie Schawrtznager (sp) to your list of RINOs
Support our Troops
my list?
May 31, 2008 - 23:01 ET by candanceI have a list of Rinos? Methinks you have me confused with Free Stinker.
in reply ...theocracy, politics, etc.
May 31, 2008 - 23:18 ET by Jethrofish'you got anything to back this up? McCain is anathama to evangelicals'
-John McCain gave the graduation speech last year at Jerry Falwell's Liberty U. He was proud to accept Pastor Hagy's endorsement, photo opps, voters....until it was politically inviable. He's anti-abortion..but not loud enough for some fundamentalists that think it should be his entire platform. McCain never once spoke up against 8 years of incompetent hirings in DC ( attorney general, asst. att. general, 'heck of a job' Browny ) who were solely selected by church affiliation as payback to Pat Robertson ( see graduating class and how many ended up on Bush payroll... >110 ). He didn't speak up to the quashing of science and dumbing down of policy in complete complience with the goals of the administration under ...evangelical oversight. Did McCain ever say "hey...get your policy from someone other than Billy Graham" ? No. He's a suck up to the theocracy machine...especially when he wants/ needs votes. Can you sight any quote by him saying how the party is being taken over by radical religeous folk, or even concern ?
' The Dems are open to all so the wide net catches the insane ones, too.' - all what?
-The "all what" are the extremeley diverse groups that aren't white protestant males. Radical black leaders that are throwbacks to segredation days, loud feminists, envrionmentalists, gays, immigrants, the art crowd, scientists, socialists, green-conscious capitalists...all come under that big tent. The folk shunned by republicans, largely. Yes there are the extremes in there and the party has to defend their statements. It's a liability and a strong point.
' oh is that why Roe v Wade and school prayer rulings have been overturned? '
-Actually it's been the number one priority of the administration, including leaders like McCain. Supreme court appointments, subsidizing religeous-backed local organizations, blocking all scientific review and oversight of any issue that isn't up to evangelical standards or explanation - like global warming. They haven't been able to pass those key issues because the public won't have it. But they've tried, instead of putting energy into finding ..alternative energy. If you're saying the administration isn't just a figurehead for the evangelicals than sir, you don't know Jack. Or Ralph Reed.
' Pat Robertson, fyi, is a Catholic and W a born-aginer (try again) '
- actually Pat Robertson was ordained as a minister in the 1961 Southern Baptist Convention. He is a pentacostal faith healer, speaking in tongues, all that...which is fine for him. It's not Catholicism. I don't care as long as he's not telling our President that the world is ending next year and to bomb Iran cuz of new testament prophecy...and the pres acts on it.
GW is a born again evangelical...good for him. Coincidentally it came after falling out with drinking and divorce threats from his wife after the daughters' births. Robertson and Graham were constant advisors to GW since....and McCain is fine with it all, despite all the crazy statements. So...'you' try again.
' Anyone with a Christian worldview (read who really believes) will have their political views informed by their faith. '
- define ' Christian worldview '. Again it's about who "says" they believe harder than the next politician. It's 4th grade B.S. Actually in a theocracy churchgoers are informed by the Gov, led by it's religeon of the day. Of course religeon forms your moral views, but since when does the gov have to go to church with you? -'they will know me by my deeds.' ( not my career politician vote )
Reagan didn't need that shi* to win and get things done. 'better check your facts here'
-Actually he didn't wear his religeon on his sleave in lieu of real policy. He was above that, apparently. He wasn't on a religeous war with the Soviets...it was about freedom, not a crusade. God is what free people can do after they are free. Oh..and when Anita Bryant came out with the anti-gay hatred and moralizing, the republicans back then kicked her ass to the curb. Now...jeesh. The fundamentalists took power over the republicans later, in the early 90's, via Ralph Reed political opportunists and out of Texas. Look it all up and check yer facts.
' Truth is truth and they don't contradict (God created both)' ( science )
Yes He did. They don't conflict..science and religeon. At least that's what Catholics believe. But republicans can't believe it under fundamentalism, as green house gases aren't in the bible - word for word. This is why you can't have a president that puts his personal religeon over science. This affects policy...from vaccinations to the environment to energy and how we use the world's assets...and explain how the sun rises. McCain has to appease the fundementalists and the rest of the us on the science issue. Poor guy.
Duh..and undecided. p.s. Hey Pastor Hagy - I'm Catholic..and I vote
'this i doubt you don't have a worldview consistent with believing Catholic, that or you have no clue about your professed faith'
- again, it's that 4th grade crap. I believe more than you do, etc. Criticizing someone else's religeous beliefs is as low as you can go. If you think the current regime is anything close to moral, and you continue to back them and their next regime...then your beliefs are evident enough....'worldview' or whatever bumper sticker you use.
-still looking for someone that thinks the election should be more than religeon.
J-thro
and the stupid train rolls on
May 31, 2008 - 23:40 ET by candanceCan you sight any quote by him saying how the party is being taken over by radical religeous folk, or even concern ?
McCain flip flops on religion more than anyone else in DC. Check out this little gem from 2000:
"Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether they be Louis Farrakhan and Al Sharpton on the left, or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbrejLsixwk
Hum, and then he quickly pandered by going to Falwell's church.
Sounds like an awful lot of pandering BS to me.
sigh
May 31, 2008 - 22:39 ET by candanceI don't know why I'm bother to respond to this, but we'll give it a whirl.
(for the record, don't bother commenting on NB unless you're ready for detailed arguments. we like to be thorough)
Anyone else sick of hearing about who's preachers are more crazy?
For those of us who understand and appreciate the role a pastor plays in someone's life, we know that the kind of pastor you choose speaks volumes about your characer. It's basically the same as asking if we're tired of hearing about their platforms.
It is very sad that the republican party has been taken over by evangelicals to the point that high gov jobs only compentency require ment is membership in yer church.
If this were true Mike Huckabee would have gotten the party nod. If this were true, we wouldn't have five Republican Senators getting donations from pro-choice lobbyists and people like Arnold Schwarzeneggar running California.
The Dems are open to all
Ha ha ha ha ha ROFPMSL
Are you joking?
Seriously, how many pro-life Democrats are in the Senate right now? Dems who don't believe in global warming? Dems who want to cut taxes? Dems who don't blame Big Oil for anything?
and moderate republicans ( remember them? ) are being drowned out by the freak show.
Shucks then, someone needs to tell John McCain he didn't really get the nod. And then tell Bloomberg he's really not the mayor of NY. And then tell Bill Kristol, Fred Barnes and Tucker Carlson that really don't speak for the current GOP.
If Obama hires / relies on these preachers and their 'insight'
Whew! I guess it's a good thing Obama didn't do anything stupid like call Wright one of his biggest mentors or compare him to his grandmother. Wait, Obama kinda did...
So far no sign of him playing the Jesus lapel pin card or trying to divide by religeon
Using the Bible to defend gay marriage isn't the same as campaigning on religion...Neither is campaigning in church on Sunday morning or telling reporters that you're running for president to fulfill God's work.....I read about these things in an article
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7850.html
but that'll just be our little secret. You can go back to pretending that Obama doesn't play the religion card now.
Hey Pastor Hagy
I'm sure Pastor Hagee is crying himself to sleep over you. I doubt you even know what denomination he is without hitting Wikipedia.
So, to summarize...you're either quite ignorant about current affairs, too dumb and/or lazy to construct an argument without angry rambling, or you're being obtuse on purpose.