I'm beginning to see Joe Scarborough's skirmishes with Mika Brzezinski on Morning Joe as mere batting practice for the much more serious battles he undertakes in the evening with Rachel Maddow on Race for the White House.
As Noel Sheppard documented, Maddow and Scarborough tangled on April 17th, with Joe possibly having exited the set in the end. The pair were back at it on this evening's "Race," the Air America host this time accusing Scarborough of "tying Barack Obama to Hitler."
Maddow's theme throughout the show was that the media has devoted too much coverage to the Rev. Wright matter. David Shuster, subbing for host David Gregory, lit the fuse.
View video here.
DAVID SHUSTER: Rachel Maddow, Jay Carney says [Obama] wasn't angry enough [in his comments today on Rev. Wright]. I thought he was exceptionally angry, especially when he talked about how Reverend Wright has taken up three or four consecutive days in the middle of this major debate. Was he not angry enough for you?
RACHEL MADDOW: I thought he seemed angry. But as I said before, so far Barack Obama has said, and I've made notes of it as he's done it: he vehemently disagrees with him, he strongly condemns him, he categorically denounces him, he rejects him outright, today we got that he's appalled by him, that he's outraged by him. I find it incredible that we're all sitting here going "why won't the Jeremiah Wright controversy go away?" Well, you know what? Today, John McCain unveiled his health plan. We got three different statements, three different policies from the candidates on gas prices. We got the President of the United States making a huge economic speech and speaking to reporters for 40 minutes. We got four Marines, four U.S. soldiers, who were announced to have been killed in Iraq yesterday. What else has to happen in the news to push Jeremiah Wright out of the headlines before we do it for six straight headlines on every politics show in the country? This is all we're capable of talking about.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: When you have Jeremiah Wright going in front of the National Press Club saying, again, Barack Obama's spiritual mentor, someone that Barack Obama didn't distance himself from until today, saying that Louis Farrakhan was one of the great people of the 20th and 21st century. The same Louis Farrakhan that said Hitler was a great man and that Judaism was a gutter religion. It required the Obama campaign to do something. There's a big difference between Barack Obama saying in Philadelphia--
Maddow could be seen guffawing on camera.
MADDOW: It didn't require that.SCARBOROUGH: I'm sorry, you may find that funny. I can guarantee you there are millions of people in America who don't.
MADDOW: I don't find you tying Barack Obama to Hitler funny. I find it funny for you to say--
SCARBOROUGH: Did I do that?
MADDOW: --that what Jeremiah Wright is doing requires a response from Barack Obama.
SCARBOROUGH: Well, it does.
MADDOW: What requires a response is the blanket media coverage of everything Jeremiah Wright does, that will not quit.
SCARBOROUGH: OK, Rachel, if I can talk for a second here.
MADDOW: Please do.
SCARBOROUGH: In Philadelphia Barack Obama said this: "I can no more disown him--Jeremiah Wright--than I can disown the black community or my white grandmother." That's not him separating him[self]. Today, he said he was "divisive and destructive, he was appalling. He gave comfort to those who prey on hate. He is not the man I met 20 years ago." He had to do that.
SHUSTER: Point made, point made.
SCARBOROUGH: He knew he had to do that. And Axelrod knew he had to do it. It's going to make a big difference.
My two cents:
Can any serious person disagree when Scarborough says Obama was obliged to separate himself definitively from Rev. Wright? Maddow might think she's boosting Barack. But had he listened to her when she scoffed at the idea "that what Jeremiah Wright is doing requires a response from Barack Obama," he would have, in my opinion, eventually found himself out of this race.
I don't doubt Obama was angry in his denunciation of Rev. Wright today. But his tone was oddly affectless. In his lack of overt emotion, he reminded me of Dukakis's disastrous response to the Bernie Shaw question. As Bob Herbert has observed, "there is such a thing as being too cool."
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.




















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Did we ever get any kind of
April 29, 2008 - 19:32 ET by balboaDid we ever get any kind of confirmation at all that Joe walked off because of Maddow?
Wrong video?
April 29, 2008 - 20:09 ET by Amanda JusticeThe video attached to this post is a very VERY brief clip of Hillary from Good Morning America.... Nothing from Maddow/Scarborough.
Sorry about that: thanks for
April 29, 2008 - 20:13 ET by Mark FinkelsteinSorry about that: thanks for bringing to my attention. Please have a look now.
Better, Mark, Thanks
April 29, 2008 - 20:19 ET by BlondeAs I said earlier...Joe doesn't put up with any liberal stuff.
Good segment. That Rachel Maddow is a talking fool, isn't she? Again, Joe was nice, but just took her down, simply and easily.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
So that would be "No"?
April 29, 2008 - 20:47 ET by balboaSo that would be "No"?
Quite so, Mark
April 29, 2008 - 19:40 ET by BlondeSince you began posting stuff from Morning Joe here, I've switched (I was hating F&F....so thanks for that).
Joe is a "nice guy". He's very pleasant to all guests. But he doesn't tolerate liberal insanity, nor inanity (Mika). You are spot-on. He just torments poor dumb Mika....it's very amusing if one is on the conservative side of the aisle.
So it is no surprise to me that he wouldn't tolerate stupidity from Maddow.
The more I see of Joe as a media talking head, the better I like him....so keep the coverage up here, I can never see the whole thing, so sometimes you catch me up. Thanks again.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
"...Obama was obliged to
April 29, 2008 - 19:41 ET by Chris Norman"...Obama was obliged to separate himself definitively from Rev. Wright?"
Yeah, now that it's blown up all over the place. It still doesn't excuse him from the previous twenty years that he sat in Wright's church - when it wasn't a public issue.
This is getting better every day
April 29, 2008 - 19:42 ET by HumblepieJerry Springer, eat your heart out. This is better than any Springer show. Talk about the trailer trash coming out to play. No matter how you slice it, Obambi's career is over, kaput. No conservative will ever allow him to live this down in any future race. Conserv's have been saying for months that his 20 year association with the good Rev calls into question background and objectives. He would not distance himself from Wright until the whole matter literally blew up in his face. Don't forget Obambi, save some snappy retort for your darling wife as she is taking your campaign further down the toilet. You are who you associate with. God Bless the USA
During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.
The Preacher from Hell
April 29, 2008 - 19:55 ET by pbthinkerHow is Obama going to shake this guy? The biggest reason Obama can't shake him is because, deep down, he doesn't want to. He my have to, for political reasons, but he's heard all this stuff before and it never occurred to him that this sort of rhetoric was divisive and hate filled. He was sitting in church, listening the the reverend give these firey sermons, and heard the screaming and cheering and got into it. Now, that he has a chance to listen to the same sermon, away from that environment, he suddenly has to say he was there, didn't hear it, it was just a small part of what the Reverend said, etc.
So now, after hearing the reverend justify the same comments, that Obama never heard, all of a sudden he's just appalled!!!!! David Axelrod is going to really have to learn the Jedi mind control trick.
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
he's heard all this
April 29, 2008 - 21:38 ET by motherbelthe's heard all this stuff
before and it never occurred to him that this sort of rhetoric was
divisive and hate filled. -pbthinker
Yes, it did. See my comment below; he knew it a year ago.
Sometimes...
April 29, 2008 - 19:55 ET by The_PumpcropSometimes with Mika Joe has a spine of water, he lets her blather on and on... Other times he really does stand up and put her in his place. The show would be, and has been, so much better without her. But get Joe on another show away from her and look out. He doesn't look or act whipped.
He REALLY needs off MSNBC.
(Mika Brzezinski: MSNBC's Ipecac)
I think Joe generally takes
April 29, 2008 - 21:40 ET by motherbeltI think Joe generally takes it easy on Mika, on purpose. He knows she's a lightweight, there to lend a little femininity and levity to the show. But every once in while she really just wears through his patience.
so far Barack Obama has
April 29, 2008 - 20:01 ET by motherbeltso far Barack Obama has said, and I've made notes of it as he's done
it: he vehemently disagrees with him, he strongly condemns him, he
categorically denounces him, he rejects him outright, today we got that
he's appalled by him, that he's outraged by him -Rachel Maddow
And last year, Rev. Wright told the NY Times:
“If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Mr. Wright said with a shrug. "I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen.
And Wright "blurted out the truth" when he said Obama would
say what he ahd to say because "he's a politician." The fact that they
both knew this was coming proves it.
I don't care how many times Obama says he is appalled now, the fact is that both he and Rev. Wright knew a year ago that he was going to have to "distance himself" from Wright. It just happened sooner than either one had planned on.
And Wright may have spoken an unwitting truth when he said Obama would say what he ahd to say because "he's a politician." The fact that they both knew this was coming proves it. And Wright was correct...Obama did what he had to do, when his back was against the wall; not before.
I'm confused mb
April 29, 2008 - 20:06 ET by Cool ArrowI can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. - Obama
So is he now disowning the black community?
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Good point, CA
April 29, 2008 - 20:10 ET by BlondeI wonder whether the media will pick up on your basic sentiment?
I'm guessing.....not.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I didn't see the press
April 29, 2008 - 20:38 ET by motherbeltI didn't see the press conference. Did he make a point of simply talking about the remarks, as if they are separate from the person making them? Did he say anything about what his relationship (or lack thereof ) with Wright would be in the future?
As for his "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community"
If Wright was correct, and he will say what he has to say for political gain, then I guess he's served notice to the black community that anyone could be next?
I think this will become his "Sister Soulja" moment. But the question remains: if he saw this coming a year ago, why now?
mb... My guess is inside
April 29, 2008 - 20:45 ET by bigtimermb...
My guess is inside tracking polls...especially Indy and NC coming up.
Here are the latest national polls too between Hill and he...not that at this time they mean diddle, but you can be sure they are worried...very worried.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
bt, when I asked "why now"
April 29, 2008 - 21:22 ET by motherbeltbt, when I asked "why now" I knew that he had been pushed to this and saw no other option. You've made clear that the writing was truly on the wall.
We'll have to wait and see if it helps him.
Who am I kidding? Of course it will help him. For the next week the MSM will be singing the song and telling the tale of his agonizing decision, how torn up he is, how disappointed. (Never mentioning "slow learner.")
Never forget...Wright and Obama both predicted this a year ago.
For the next week the MSM
April 29, 2008 - 21:35 ET by bigtimerFor the next week the MSM will be singing the song and telling the tale of his agonizing decision, how torn up he is, how disappointed. (Never mentioning "slow learner.")
LOL...yep...and I heard Chris Matthews say today that this was historic....again....(he was a guest on a show after this presser and giving his opinion)...man this guy is historic already...can you believe it..and it will be spun as the mean old right wing, race hating critters that didn't make him President if he doesn't make it, (which he won't IMO), instead of the black hatepreacher Wright and Bill Clinton using race as an issue against him... according to the msm anyway...
The real facts, they will be changed and we can throw in Rush too if he is defeated, that money grubbing, trouble making, radio guy with a big voice...it will never be their own faults and the very people they associate with.
I love it...I really do...I have waited years to see the destruction of the dem. party...who knew they would do it themselves with the aid of the msm...big time!
Here I always thought it would take the conservatives to do the job...
Laughing out loud...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Already???? Jeez, I had
April 29, 2008 - 21:50 ET by motherbeltAlready????
Jeez, I had Matthews pegged, but I thought tomorrow AM on Morning Joe!! LOL
See my comment below about starting a pool!
SCARBOROUGH: He knew he had
April 29, 2008 - 21:00 ET by bigtimerSCARBOROUGH: He knew he had to do that. And Axelrod knew he had to do it. It's going to make a big difference.
That is it in a nutshell...time will tell if this is too late for Obama, but he does have Maddow behind him, that'll do it...just ask her!
I caught this all tonight, I also have most evenings, when Shuster is on I only half listen, but tonight I caught this...she never shuts up...she is getting worse at it with Scarborough...
I don' know how people at times can be in the same room and not explode at each other....physically at times..I would never make it in politics on screen, it would always have to be behind the scenes type of thing....patience is a virtue...something some of us have to learn in life as time goes on...my motto always was ...
Patience My Arse...well, you know the rest...
Glad I changed as I got older or I wouldn't be here...hehehee
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Notice typical leftist tactic
April 29, 2008 - 21:12 ET by well99Joe never said Barack was tied into Hitler.His mention of Farakan's statement was all Madcow needed to put in her spin.
well99...Correct!...an
April 29, 2008 - 21:20 ET by bigtimerwell99...
Correct!
...and spin she did, non-stop until Joe has to attempt to get a word in..let alone a sentence.
She has always been maddening to me from day one, years ago now...I can't stand her.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
BT
May 1, 2008 - 20:31 ET by well99She is such a liar.It just ticks you off to hear her open her mouth and spew her distortions of the truth.She is true representive of a left winger scut.
That's how liberals argue;
April 29, 2008 - 21:45 ET by motherbeltThat's how liberals argue; they extrapolate the hell out of a couple of words until it doesn't look anything like what was actually said, and then make a big deal out of it.
bt... I read this after I
April 29, 2008 - 21:23 ET by motherbeltbt... I read this after I responded to your last comment...see mine above.
mb... I am laughing out
April 29, 2008 - 21:54 ET by bigtimermb...
I am laughing out loud now, we are cross-posting (is that the right term?) each other it seems...I responded to the comment above you referrred me to here...too funny.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Obama Buys a Vowel?
April 29, 2008 - 21:08 ET by BarkerI knew Wright was a dangerous, stark-raving mad lunatic the first time I saw and heard him speak a few months ago.
It took Obama 20 years (today) to figure that out?
Obama and Wright....
April 29, 2008 - 21:20 ET by MightyMouth...are trying to pull a fast one here. It goes like this: Obama feins outrage and finally disavous Wright. The most right rev Wright "lashes" back and attacks Obama...POOF! Wright is seperated from Obama! Mission accomplished! The MSM will eat it up!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I agree, that's exactly what
April 29, 2008 - 21:24 ET by motherbeltI agree, that's exactly what it is.
MM and mb... Well I don't
April 29, 2008 - 21:42 ET by bigtimerMM and mb...
Well I don't know if I agree or not, as I posted to Jack in OT I think it was when we were all talking about this earlier... one thing about it all though...it is delicious....just scrumptious.
We will know soon enough if we hear anything more from Wright, what he says and how he says it...and the timing of it if he does.
Just my two cents.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Dee and I had a similar
April 29, 2008 - 21:49 ET by motherbeltDee and I had a similar discussion; Dee thought Wright was trying to sabotage him, and I said but then why would the MSM rehabilitate Wright's image, which they appeared to be trying to do? Wouldn't they be cutting him down instead of trying to make him look good?
I don't know who's zoomin' who here....I'm having flashbacks to ther "Battle of Wits" in The Princess Bride.
BT, Rush is saying...
April 29, 2008 - 21:51 ET by MightyMouth..the same thing as you, he's not sure of the motives and is saying it is not a stunt. But these guys may just be smart enough to pull something like this off. Does anyone think they haven't "prayed" over it together? Remember the "goal" here is to get a black man in the white house (no pun intended?). And we now know Barrack IS black enough! So while we all try to guess the next move by the dynamic duo, they can laugh and pull our strings for a while.
But I may be wrong! And believe me, it wouldn't be the first time! :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
mb and MM
April 29, 2008 - 22:03 ET by bigtimerI think the anger from Wright is real, I think what Obama said today was real...(for a politician that is)
...then again I too have been wrong more times than I want to remember...
...and mb in answer to your question about why would the msm would be trying to soften up Wright to the public, well because they wanted the lemmings to accept Wright and Obama warts and all, they tried the Hagee thing with McCain, as if that would ever work, but they gave it the good ol' try and they would of stayed with this to the end...that is until all of this happened, and I do not think the msm or anybody could of expected this out of Wright in the last few days...
It has been so much fun though...would of ever thunk any of this was going to happen...planned or otherwise....
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I don't know, bt...that's
April 29, 2008 - 22:15 ET by motherbeltI don't know, bt...that's why I mentioned the "Battle of Wits"...but knowing that I know what you're doing, and I know that you know that I know what you're doing...my head hurts. But it is rich, LOL.
Another thing people need to think about: Obama said today that Wright is not the man [he] met 20 years ago. Well, where was Obama while this "transformation" was taking place? He just keeps contradicting himself. Did he go into a trance and wake up this past Sunday when Wright was being "divisive" and all those other things??
And I agree with Mark Finklesein that Obama was pretty emotionless..had what used to be called "flat affect." I saw a couple of clips and he reminded me of someone giving a memorized speech. wouldn't you think that if he was as devastated at the transformation of his "friend" he would have shown it just a little? this would hav been a great time to allow a little "choking up." But he didn't. It was like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth, he was so cool and controlled.
Freaky, if you ask me.
mb... I agree with the
April 29, 2008 - 22:24 ET by bigtimermb...
I agree with the flat part, I agree with him being very guarded with his words...typical pol... I saw most of the presser, not all, but nevertheless we all see things through different view-finders in life...I did not think it was all completely emotionless though with him when he was taking questions, it did seem to me he was having real trouble cutting ties here...with his church and possibly Wright.
Just my view..so far, I will most likely watch it all again from beginning to end when I get the chance...and may change my mind.
Nevertheless it is all fun for me.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Maybe...
April 29, 2008 - 22:16 ET by MightyMouth"
I think the anger from Wright is real, I think what Obama said today was real...(for a politician that is)"
That's my point exactly BT, they want people to think this rif is real . I don't normally repeat myself but, POOF! no more Wright controversy! Wright and Obama are now seperated! Except when Wright is invited to the white house to give the invocation before some important event. But the American people are so short of memory that this little spat they had during the election will become insignificant after they have kissed and made up.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Time will tell MM.You
April 29, 2008 - 22:30 ET by bigtimerTime will tell MM.
You know the saying... hell hath no fury....
Well when it comes to Wright we shall see...I know he is hawking a book, I also posted Hollywood is most likely already knocking...we shall see, Wright is in for it for Wright, he has been thrown under the bus publically now...we will see if this is real or not...by his own reaction..or non-reaction.
No matter how you cut it...I'm keeping cold ones in the fridge and pop-corn at the ready.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Expected outcome
April 29, 2008 - 21:12 ET by ScrapironWhy is this not the expected outcome when the dhimmi's selected someone with '0' qualification to be POTUS and then went nuts when they figured out he can't speak three words that someone else didn't write without getting tangled up? This is just part of the continuing comedy that started when they put the clowns in charge of congress in Nov 06. They have accomplished miracles since Jan 07, like doubling oil prices and everything that requires oil based products, crashing the housing/stock market, putting people out of work and last but not least, destroying the value of the dollar. Great work for a dhimmi led congress. Destroying America, It's never been accomplished so fast in history. Now tell me he's not an Islamist, if not where is he getting a billion dollars to spend on a single campaign? Oil money from the terrorist, we all know it, half the country has their head so far up his butt they can't see it, or like little children they will never admit they were wrong. BDS = total insanity.
Old, Retired and glad of it.
MSNBC is doing wall to wall
April 29, 2008 - 21:22 ET by nicksmith112MSNBC is doing wall to wall coverage on the media over-coverage of the Wright debacle...lol.
Obama(with a gun to his head) has denounced Wright....lol.
I'm a refugee from the Democratic Party.
Should we start the pool
April 29, 2008 - 21:28 ET by motherbeltShould we start the pool now for how long until the first "Time to move on" story?
Oh, wait, Rachel Maddow already did that! LOL
OK, from a TV regular in the MSM...Matthews, Olbermann....etc.
I'm going with Chris Matthews tomorrow on "Morning Joe."
→ Liberal argument
April 29, 2008 - 21:50 ET by Cool ArrowSo now that Maddow has linked Obama to Hitler, is this topic now fair for political debate.
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Retarded kid....
April 29, 2008 - 22:33 ET by harqmanThis may sound a little non-pc and I do not want to offend anyone with "retarded" mentally challenged family members.
When we were kids (I am 43) our parents told us not to make fun of the retarded kids. Because the retarded kids can not help their situation. It is the same way with Joe and Mika. She is blindly stupid and ignorant. It is hard to be both stupid and ignorant but she pulled it off in spades. I think Joe sees her get out of the "short bus" with her helmet on and feels sorry for her. But his feelings are misguided. True mentally challenged people can not help it. They can do great things but their are of course limitations.
Mika does not have biophysiologicalnurological disorder. She is just plain stupid. Joe should not have any patience for this at all. He should hammer her every time she opens her mouth. The grunting and background noise that she makes is maddening. You can see him at times wanting to just slap her.
This is why he was a fighter pilot, he is cool under pressure. She creates tons of pressure. They need to dump her.
Mika..well, look who her
April 30, 2008 - 01:27 ET by Xango AnnieGuess, she can't "hep" it...her gene pool is tainted..look at her lunatic Daddy!!!
Harqman, you said what we
April 30, 2008 - 09:19 ET by marpelHarqman, you said what we have all been thinking for a long time. But, I'm getting aggravated with Joe too. I know he has to make a living, but why he can't just let her have it is beyond me.
I think Maddow and Olbermann
April 29, 2008 - 22:45 ET by the strugglerI think Maddow and Olbermann are sisters.
I wasn't sure either
April 30, 2008 - 01:07 ET by TWOTIMETUNAIs she a boy or a man?
Democrats are either Parasites or Parasite Enablers
"Sisters"
April 30, 2008 - 02:55 ET by harry flashmanStruggler - Ver-eeeeee adroit and ROTLFMAO - bwaaaa-haaa-haaa!
LOL, Struggler. Maddow's
April 30, 2008 - 09:16 ET by marpelLOL, Struggler. Maddow's the "guy" in that duo.
The lie about all of this
April 29, 2008 - 23:20 ET by seanrobinsThe lie about all of this is that Obama learned nothing new from Wright during the past few days, that he has not known for years. What is truly outrageous here is Obama's trying to act like Wright's NPC appearance came as some kind of an epiphany.
Sheeesh!
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I don't doubt Obama was
April 30, 2008 - 00:53 ET by maggieqpublicI don't doubt Obama was angry in his denunciation of Rev. Wright today. But his tone was oddly affectless. In his lack of overt emotion, he reminded me of Dukakis's disastrous response to the Bernie Shaw question.
Mark, you touched on something that has been disturbing me… Obama does not seem capable of exhibiting righteous anger. I was looking at Anderson Cooper this evening when I heard Candy Crowley mention that Obama was angry today when he addressed the media. Then she made the offhand comment that Obama is occasionally “snippy” with the press.
May I see a show of hands as to how many out there have ever heard a presidential candidate characterized as “snippy”. Where is the guy’s drive and passion?
Obama's affectless tone
April 30, 2008 - 01:35 ET by Cool ArrowAnd feckless demeaner.
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Oh!!
April 30, 2008 - 01:50 ET by ToddonCapeCodOh, and the Left would NEVER dream of doing anything like that with anyone in the Republican Party, would they, Rachel?
Maddow
April 30, 2008 - 05:27 ET by BobAnthonyThe token Lesbian of PMSNBC! IYAM, both Hussein Obama and the so-called Reverend seem hand in hand with Black Nazism aside from the Black Panthers and other extremist racial groups. A vote for BHO is like a vote for the death of the USA--same with Hitlary, but this is for a "woman."
Note the quotes!
Hitler obsession
April 30, 2008 - 15:21 ET by wizardjrWhat is this obsession of the left with Hitler? Every time you turn around there's another Hitler reference. Once again, you don't hear it from the right side of the aisle.