Scarborough Has Enough of Air America's Maddow, Walks Off MSNBC Set

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By Noel Sheppard | April 18, 2008 - 20:03 ET

For those that are luckily unfamiliar, Rachel Maddow is one of the darlings of the extreme-left in this country. A regular on MSNBC's "Countdown" with Keith Olbermann, the Air America Radio host is also a panel member on that network's "Race for the White House" with David Gregory.

Another panel member is Joe Scarborough, and those that have watched this program since its inception know that he holds Maddow in as low esteem as any self-respecting conservative would -- or any sane American, for that matter.

With that as pretext, on Thursday's show, Scarborough apparently had enough of this liberal antagonist; during the following exchange, he unhooked his microphone, walked off the set, and didn't return (video embedded upper right):

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At what point are we expecting presidential candidates to not have any kind of association with somebody of questionable character in their past?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DAVID GREGORY, HOST: I think that‘s a fair question. Harold Ford Jr., when does guilt by association go a step too far?

HAROLD FORD, JR., FORMER CONGRESSMAN: The American people are smart enough to distinguish between these things. If you have a close relationship with someone who has a very checkered, questionable past, and you didn‘t know them before that time, or you met them during that time, and you steadied and grew the friendship, voters are able to see through that. And I thought Barack handled that question fairly well last night. It was an interesting comparison he made between Tom Coburn, but I understood what he was trying to say. I think voters get it.

JOE SCARBOROUGH, “MORNING JOE” MSNBC: But Harold, if you ran for governor of Texas or ran for Senate again, people in Tennessee know you. If there‘s a questionable association, they go, we know Harold Ford, maybe he hung out with a weird guy one summer when he was younger. Whereas if somebody new runs for that Tennessee seat and nobody knows him, then you start saying, OK, who is this person? Who do they hang out with? Who do they associate with?

Barack Obama can‘t be shocked. He was in Washington for one year before he decided to run for president of the United States. People don‘t know him. They know John McCain. They know Hillary Clinton. They don‘t know him. So who he associates himself with is that much more important to voters.

FORD: That‘s why Jeremiah Wright has been such a big issue as well. Joe makes a good point. But I do think the caller‘s question dealt with how far back—how do we know—how long can you punish a candidate or someone running for office for a friendship? At some level, I just think voters are able to get it. Jeremiah Wright will pay bigger than this --- the Weather guy we talked about last night.

RACHEL MADDOW, AIR AMERICA: Associates and friendships become an issue when political opponents decide to make them an issue. We talked about this before on the show. The Jeremiah Wright

(CROSS TALK)

MADDOW: Joe, let me make my point and then you can dismiss me. Let me make my point first. Jeremiah Wright as a pastor for Barack Obama is an issue. The political associations that John McCain has made with right wing pastors have not been an issue. The issue that has been made about who‘s giving money to Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, because their opponents have decided to go after them on that. For example, John McCain had this incredibly controversial relationship with a Florida campaign co-chair, who was caught in a bathroom offering money to a police officer to do something that we can all imagine in a bathroom. Nobody is going to John McCain and saying he was your Florida campaign co-chair; what do you think about men doing that in bathrooms? What do you think about entrapment from police officers? What do you think about public sex?

JOHN HARWOOD, CNBC CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: That‘s what a general election is for.

MADDOW: But nobody‘s brought that up to John McCain at this point, and it‘s a decision made by political opponents. It‘s not something that happens organically because of how long you‘ve been around the block.

GREGORY: Let me get a break in before I run out of time. You can play with the panel every night. Don‘t forget to call us or email us. Predictions from the panel are coming up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GREGORY: We‘re back. It‘s prediction time. Time for our panelists to peer into the crystal ball and tell us something that they see. Rachel, Harold, John and Joe still with us. Joe, what are you seeing tonight?

SCARBOROUGH: Well, I think I may blow all my time on the predictions to respond to Rachel. I don‘t engage in crossfire type debates and certainly I don‘t want to talk about what people do in bathrooms. I do want to say though that anybody—and you can ask Harold Ford. You can ask anybody that‘s ever run for political office, that the thing you want to do is define your opponent.

You define opponents that people don‘t know more easily than defining opponents that have been in public service for a quarter of a century. It was the only point I was trying to make. And again I don‘t do cross-fire, so if we want to yell back and forth, then Rachel will have to find somebody else.

MADDOW: Joe, I wasn‘t trying to yell back and forth with you. I was starting to make my point and you cut me off before I started my first sentence. You waited for me to start. I started and you jumped in.

SCARBOROUGH: I don‘t mean to be condescending, but I can say that anybody that‘s ever run for political office before knows that there‘s a big difference between John McCain and defining him, who has been in public service for 25 years, and defining Barack Obama who was in Washington, D.C. for one year before he decided to run for president.

GREGORY: All right. I‘m going to shut this particular debate down and move on. John, your thoughts about what‘s coming up ahead.

HARWOOD: After Tuesday, Hillary Clinton is right back in the fight of her life. What she‘s probably done with bitter-gate and with that debate is preserve her lead in Pennsylvania. She‘s got a working margin there. She‘s likely to win next Tuesday. But then she‘s got those May 6th contests in North Carolina. She‘s likely to lose there. She‘s got to win in Indiana, very close race right now. No more than even money bet for her to win that state.

GREGORY: All right. Harold, what do you see coming up?

FORD: The Democratic nominee, once he or she is determined, will surge to a five to 10 point lead over John McCain. I‘m a believer that as this race is joined between McCain and Obama/Clinton, you‘ll see John McCain have to answer questions about how it is that you can believe that going into Iraq, if they had no weapons of mass destruction, was the right thing to do, which he said.

I think Joe Biden laid this case out in the last 48 hours. The Democratic nominee will benefit from the biggest thing happening for Democrats nationally, people want a change, and John McCain doesn‘t represent that.

GREGORY: All right. Rachel, your thoughts tonight?

MADDOW: First of all, Joe and I will go out for a beer and hash this all out.

It would take more than one beer, Rachel, to assuage my anger regarding your regularly disgraceful behavior.

In fact, you better bring some top-shelf vodka!

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.

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Good for Joe! A person can

Good for Joe! A person can only take so much liberal crap, and then they must move on to greener pastures.

 

"Abstain from McCain"

good attitude Clear Thinker

Take your ball and go home huh? Rachel might be a lefty, but she is right. Joe always cuts people off.

I'm not sure if what Joe did was deliberate, but If it was, he sure came across as sulker. I'm surprised you did not want Joe to engage with Stephanie, it is an American trait to win right? What are your words of wisdom again? Oh yes, i think it goes something like this

"And yes, it's a very American trait to keep score. Hell, why shouldn't we, we almost always win! "

I think I got myself a new tagline :-) 

Joe's Comment

Scarborough is a smart guy. One of my favorite commentators on TV right now. His best point was made when Maddow was asking why McCain's associates aren't being scrutinized by the media anywhere near as much as Clinton's or Obama's (which they are not). Scarborough simply said because this is the primary, and the media is focused on the dogfight that is the Democratic nomination. McCain isn't getting the attention because there's no drama there... and his ties will be more closely looked at by the media during the general. So, I think this is a good example of the non-existence of a liberal agenda. The media is scrutinizing the ties of the people who are the newsmakers right now... the two in the dogfight. In the general campaign the spotlight will be on the only two candidates left.

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

McCain isn't getting the

McCain isn't getting the attention because there's no drama there...
and his ties will be more closely looked at by the media during the
general. -
the curator

And although no facts are coming out yet, the DNC has started already.

You're Right

That's true, too.  And important to mention.

But, the facts won't uncover themselves.

IF there are any facts, you need reporters to find them.  They're all busy with the Dems right now.

 

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

delete double

delete double

Number one Joe should never

Number one Joe should never ever give yield and walk off the set, to no liberal, that is if he was actually a conservative. Joe is a RHINO and a punk, and he sauntered off the set just like the thin skinned grape and nancy boy he is.

  "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

OK, what's the problem

OK, what's the problem again? Joe did seem to interrupt her, and sure, she yapped on for a while, but it didn't seem like enough to walk off the show for.

Popcorn. Peanuts. Juicy

Popcorn. Peanuts. Juicy Fruit. Cigarettes. Good-n-Plenty.

Thanks for the answer, Noel.

Thanks for the answer, Noel. That helps a TON. Well done.

B

B,

It's Friday night. Would you go grab a beer and chill out? Take Rachel's advice if not mine! :-) ns

Balboa, I hate to agree with

Balboa, I hate to agree with you, but you are right. He did interrupt her and he looked the worst of the two for walking away. He should have stayed on and taken Maddow. The woman doesn't have the facts or history on her side. I saw her all the time with Tucker and Tucker took her to task quite a few times.

I agree

I agree and am perplexed that Joe walked off. Pick your battles - this seemed very trivial.

Let's hope Joe didn't have to go to the restroom because Rachel might insinuate something about Joe.

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
- George Bernard Shaw, 1944

It seems to me, his walking

It seems to me, his walking off was not just about that moment, more a culmination of moments. I don't think he should have walked off. Obviously he lets her get to him and he shouldn't.

As much as I like

As much as I like Scarborough, he should not have walked off. 

He should have taken her on a lot harded and shut down Gregory too who didn't want the back and forth to continue.

 

Maddow is an idiot, and Scarborough is a MILLION times smater, better informed than her.

 

For Maddow to compare Barack Obama's relition with Jerimiah Wright to John McCain having a staff member who tried to pay a cop for sex in the bathroom is ridiculous at best. 

Maddow is an Air America hack.  The woman is an embarrasment to humanity and all women on planet Earth. 

Couldn't Agree More

I'm a democrat and I can't stand her.  Seriously, she's right up there with Coulter as far as I'm concerned. (No, Coulter is at least smarter... but, a lot more vicious)

 

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

Actually Coulter is just honest

Coulter is just honest about the way liberals think and act and it freaks you out.

 Ann is like the typical lib comedian/left-leaning pundit except that it's common-place to say rude and insulting things about conservatives.

Liberals are all about hearing what they want to hear and all is well.  Start telling them the truth and they plug their ears and get all hot under the collar and cry foul. 

You tell the PC-loving crowd  things that aren't PC and naturally they think your rude.  

Coulter

How is Ann "honest about the way liberals think..."? Is she some sort of amazing kind of mind-reader? I can't think of a more cheap and dishonest way to argue a point.

→ Hey spaceman

Coulter makes a lot of sense.  Here's what she said about Obama's buddy Bill Ayers, admitted terrorist and member of the Weathermen:

If he (Timothy McVeigh) had only said he bombed the building in Oklahoma City to protest American "imperialism," McVeigh, too, could be teaching at Northwestern University, sitting on a board with and holding fundraisers for presidential candidate B. Hussein Obama.

It's understandable you don't appreciate having Liberal hypocrisy so succinctly codified, but Ann Coulter's right.

♣ a seal

Ann is wonderful. I hope to

Ann is wonderful. I hope to meet her some day. She says what everyone should be saying. So far I agree with everything she says.

Fut, I agree but,,,

MSNBC is a left-leaning organization that is trying to "take on" Fox news from the left.  Therefore Joe has his handlers to answer to if he exposes Maddow for the empty headed lefty she is, so he HAD to walk off the set.

 Jay Severin, who does a radio talk-show here in Boston totally tore her down the other day and said he had never heard her utter a single informed opinion on anything and her predictions NEVER pan out.  However, she is on almost every MSNBC show as a "The" Lefty-Woman-Pundit.  

Inronically, when Jay was on Tucker back when the show first started, he had to debate Maddow and mostly agreed with her on issues like Iraq and GWB being an idiot.  So it's apparent that when you are an MSNBC employee, you toe the company line. 

futbolisgreat1

She obviously has a different pov than you or Joe Scarborough. Saying some is an embarrasent to humanity and he all women on planet earth is a little extreme. Umm we all might have different points of view don't we?

Scarborough should just keep

Scarborough should just keep walking over to Fox and get a job. A conservative on that channel is just a token. He might as well go to a place where he feels comfortable. 

Wow!

You're admitting FOX is a conservative network.  Thanks for owning up to it.  ;-)

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

No, I'm admitting MSNBC is

No, I'm admitting MSNBC is as far left as you can go. Joe seems like a good guy and doesn't deserve to deal with MSNBC's far left agenda

Fox

Fox is far more balanced than any of the other news networks.

I always love to watch the ridiculous leftist tactic of misleading listeners on the equivalence of certain actions or relationships. For example, Obama has a long standing close relationship with his personal mentor and pastor, who married him and baptized his kids. This is not the same a a pastor from another state who merely endorsed McCain. McCain lives in AZ, Hagee does not. He is not McCain's pastor! The comparison is absurd. 

And Senator McCain cannot be held accountable for something a state campaign rep does without his knowledge.

Maddow is way off base. Your relationships to bad apples become questionable when you have knowledge of them beforehand and do not disavow them. 

AzRenegade

Yes and no

Senator McCain cannot be held accountable for somthing a state campaign rep does without his knowledge.

I agree completely. 

Fox is far more balanced than any of the other news networks.

I disagree completely.  And so does every other study I've ever read or seen.  They've all said FOX is by far tilted to a heavy conservative slant.

 

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

Proof that liberal bias is the norm

I disagree completely.  And so does every other study I've ever read or seen.  They've all said FOX is by far tilted to a heavy conservative slant.

-

 Your statement just proves that liberal bias is the norm.

All the studies are done by the liberal media designed to sabotoge Fox and bring the liberal unbalance back into balance.  

When, before Fox News came out did other news networks savage each other?  Never, they were all on the same page, no need to.

 Finally, I rarely watch Fox or view their website since they are NOT HEAVILY CONSERVATIVE SLANTED. 

They constantly lean left in order to prove they are fair and balanced.  In the last year or so I think they lost what I originally liked about them, which was holding the moral high-ground.  Allot of what they do now is eye-candy and sensationalist stories - like most cable stations.

 

What would it take?

 Your statement just proves that liberal bias is the norm. 

If those same studies said the sky was blue, you'd swear it was green just to mantain the liberal bias, wouldn't you?

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

You have got to be

You have got to be kidding!

Try to at least understand what someone is willing to teach you. You don't have to agree, just understand. 

"Abstain from McCain"

In order to identify bias you have to have a center

I know people who think PBS is Conservative/Corporate Biased.

Bias is somewhat subjective.

Any and all "studies" that attempt to "Prove" Fox is some giant "in-the-tank" for Conservatives base their information on the said affiliation of the people either doing the interviews/news or their guests.

When 100% of those Guests who are Conservative, admit they are conservative and 0% of the guests who are liberal admit to being liberal it greatly skewes the data.

 On the flip side, when it comes to reporting the news or doing interviews it's a well known fact that their are few and far between who have ties to Conservative politicians while some heavy hitters have ties to far-left politicians.

To repeat, slowly, to determine bias, you have to define center, left and right.  The left is totally disingenous about where it stands or comes from and continutally claims that they (the left) are the only ones capable of being unbiased, while Conservatives are incapable. 

Fox and Karl Rove... I

Fox and Karl Rove...

I knew the moment they hired Rove that Fox had moved more to the left. 

"Abstain from McCain"

Are you kidding CT?

I've actually listened to Rove's commentary and he's pretty soft on immigration as well as some other hard-core conservative issues that escape me at the moment.

exLib... Please re-read

exLib...

Please re-read my post. You and I are on the same wave-length concerning Rove. He's the guy that gave us Compassionate Conservatism. Sigh... 

"Abstain from McCain"

I did ask CT

I thought you were kidding but added that for others who may not have ;)

How

 How is Rove becoming a "contributor" on Fox up to par with Matthews or Stephanopolis or Russert, who all were former Democrat aides, having their own shows?

I again say Fox is "more" balanced than any of the other networks, but not perfectly so.

AzRenegade

Well

 Fox is far more balanced than any of the other news networks.

I disagree completely.  And so does every other study I've ever read or seen.  They've all said FOX is by far tilted to a heavy conservative slant.

I did use the term "more" balanced, not perfectly balanced. What show on the other networks is like Hannity and Colmes, a point/counterpoint style of show that always has both sides represented? Bill O does lean to the right himself but has many guests to the left he has respectful discussions with on screen. Kirsten Powers comes to mind. I stand by my comment. I need no study to tell me what my eyes and ears can discern for myself.

AzRenegade

Soo right AZ

Also Fox and Friends is not very conservative nor is Red Eye.  I would recommend neither to anyone i see at church as wholesome, family values type material.

Greta, Jeraldo, the guy at 4 pm, I'm forgetting his name but he's got a left-ward social slant.

 

Soo wrong exLib...I watched

Soo wrong exLib...I watched Fox and Friends regularly until a few months ago.  They are, or least during the time I watched were, very pro-Republican.

Greta hardly counts because she rarely does political commentary.  Geraldo seems to be doing more than he formerly did, but I still don't believe it constitutes the primary focus of his programming.

I don't object to Fox being conservative.  There is plenty of "liberal" media.  I do have a problem with Fox"s "fair and balanced" slogan, its claim that there were no conservative voices on the networks before Fox News, and O'Reilly's claim that he is ideologically neutral.

Jer

O'Reilly is a centrist/populist

O'Reilly is not a conservative.

He posits a centrist Jesus who never told anyone they were going to Hell and who never called people out for their sins.

He frequently takes a non-conservative stance on issues, which tend to be populist stances, which more often than not are liberal stances.

True, he does try to take a "Traditionalist" stance on some issues and of course he doesn't buy into the typical liberal media beliefs that Conservatives and their policies are intrinsically bad.  He'll say nice things about Dick Cheney and stick up for President Bush, something most other hosts won't do.

Fox News IS "Fair and Balanced" to it's Conservative viewership.

If you want to know or understand what the true conservative thought on a position is you'll get it from Fox.  You'll also see Liberals asked tough questions you won't see anywhere else.

That's Fair to Conserviatves and they Balance it out by being tough on Liberals. 

O'Reilly a centrist?  Do

O'Reilly a centrist?  Do you watch him regularly?  I have for the past nine years--i.e. until a couple of months ago when I decided to take a temporary sabbatical from Fox.

So, tell me what you consider to be O'Reilly's "non-conservative" stances which are generally "liberal".  I'm interested in your response since, having seen literally hundreds of Factor episodes, I think I have a pretty good handle on his politics.

Jer

As I said Jer

O'Reilly has a very liberal/populist view of Jesus for one.

 He stated that Jesus NEvER told anyone they were going to Hell and that he wouldn't make judgements about people, because that "turns people off to your message".

That's pretty liberal view of Jesus.

He also wants to regulate Oil Companies and reduce their profits, a decidedly NON-Conservative position.

It scares me as a business owner that congress would bring me in to tell me I was making too much profit and then tell me how much profit i can make.   O'Reilly is OK with that.

O'Reilly helped Swift-Boat the Swift-Boat veterans along with the rest of the media. 

I haven't watched O'Reilly in awhile, I used to watch him almost daily for 2-3 years and found him too agreeable to the wrong people.

 Sorry I can't come up with more examples, I'm tired and again I am too far removed from the situation.  Suffice to say he is NOT a far-right guy.  At best he is a centrist who leans a bit to the right.

Maybe you can ask some other posters here who routinely gang up on O'Reilly and cut him down for being a liberal.  I wouldn't go that far, but many on this site hate him for not being Conservative enough. 

I wouldn't call BoR a

I wouldn't call BoR a liberal, but he is definitely more of a populist than a conservative.

 

 

I remember him on more than

I remember him on more than one occasion bashing "Big Oil" for having such large profits, even saying they should give up some of their profits. Transcript here:

http://www.newshound...

And on another show he did the same thing:

http://www.foxnews.c...

AzRenegade...Hannity &

AzRenegade...Hannity & Colmes has a decidedly conservativer slant.  Virtually every topic and every segment is based on the latest liberal outrage, the latest "offensive" statement made by a Democrat, the latest blunder by a Democratic candidate, and on and on.  A liberal spokesman is invited on who will then be grilled by Hannity with a string of "do you still beat your wife" type of questions, Colmes will utter a few lame remarks, Dick Morris will talk about how contemptible the Clintons are, and then they will move along to the next segment.

CNN's Crossfire was a truly ideologically balanced program--too bad it was cancelled after a long run.  PBS generally has a balanced point/counterpoint segment on Jim Leher's newscast.

Jer

whoo hoo for Crossfire, Jer

It was decidedly NOT balanced at all.

Tucker gave points away left and right, like you libs think Colmes does.

Begala consistently snuck in jabs and snide remarks that were easily on par with what you libs think Coulter does.

 It was crap and was canceled.

I'll never forget seeing Jerry Falwell try to reason calmly with the harpy Jeneane Garafalo. She just kept insulting him and launching ad homenem attacks while he just kind of took and then told her she was lost.  That really set her off.

Then there was the time Tucker bowed to Hillary Clinton.

Everything that gets said by libs about Colmes goes double for Tucker (especially when he was on Crossfire).

 Of course you probably don't watch it anyway and just take the crib notes version from MMfA.  

Colmes does bring guests on and brings lefty outrages and such.  It's just that Hannity gets to make a cogent argument in return.  Although I do agree that allot of times his argument is just to goad them into seeing their own hypocrisy, which of course they never see, so that gets a bit old. 

Gee, Falwell got preachy

Gee, Falwell got preachy with someone and they didn't like it? How odd...

 

Actually Bal, Garafalo got preachy

Garafalo is as preachy as any Pastor or Priest.  She gets on her high horse and thinks she knows better than God. 

When a Conservative or a Religious person makes declarative statements about right and wrong it's preachy.

When a lib goes off on what is right and wrong it's OK.

 

exLib...Until the past

exLib...Until the past couple of months, I watched Fox far more than any other cable news network.  That included Hannity & Colmes, so I don't require "crib notes" from Media Matters or anyone else to understand its format and agenda.

I also watched Crossfire from its inception, but less when it moved to its afternoon slot.  The show ran its course, and may have deteroriated toward the end, but for many years it was the most ideologically balanced program on any network.

Jer

Well I'll say ths Jer

Whenever I watch Crossfire it was on at 3 or 4 in the afternoon and sucked.

I can only say that I used to watch the Daily Show and have watched Colbert and even Bill Maher.

I've heard from some people that the Daily Show is "balanced" but I find it to be totally left-ward biased.  I have NEVER seen John Stewart give a Conservative a fair shake the way he gives liberals kudos and such when interviewing them.

I find the humor on the daily show to be personally insulting although I do laugh at it, becuase it's funny.  But it's like listening to a funny version of Howard Dean. 

As I say to those who think PBS is a Conservatively biased network, it just shows how left you really are.

If you think Fox has no liberal balance to it, then you must love MSNBC since it has no Conservative balance.

I do applaud you for actually watching the shows though, more than I can say for allot of people i deal with on a daily basis who maybe watch one Factor show and then read the web for more info. 

exLib...Ironically, I have

exLib...Ironically, I have never watched a single episode of the Daily show.  [I have read a few transcript segments when researching an issue].  It may be a subconscious effort on my part to boycott his show, because he was instrumental in Crossfire's cancellation.  [But maybe by that point it deserved its fate.] 

I have never claimed PBS or MSNBC were conservatively biased.  However, they have in the past and continue to have at least some conservative input.  Unfortunately, they both have less now than they once did...and that's a shame.  I really would prefer an equal balance between conservative and liberal views throughout the media [including libertarian voices and "others", too].  But, then, I would miss all my friends at NewsBusters.

Jer

Totally untrue. Stewart has

Totally untrue. Stewart has had great interviews with Tony Snow, Dick Cheney's wife, Dana Perino, Chuck Hagel, and many more.

I wish

I wish I could get the point across here. I keep saying more balanced, not perfectly so.

The H&C show may start with a conservative talking point, but there is always time given to the counter. It may not be enough, or it may be "lame" to you, but the other side is heard far more often on that show than any other on today. And I am no fan of Morris myself, so there is "lameness" the other way!

All too often on other networks I see NO opposing views, or a huge bias, like 3 to 1 against the conservative, like The View.

I agree on Crossfire, but that show it long gone, as is the balance of it's network.

PBS should be off the air. Tax dollars should not be used to support them. Sink or swim on your own business virtues like all the rest. 

AzRenegade

If you read about this

If you read about this 2007 survey, you find this:

The most trusted national TV news organizations, for accurate reporting, in declining order included: Fox News (27.0%), CNN (14.6%), and NBC News (10.90%). These were followed by ABC News (7.0%), local news (6.9%), CBS News (6.8%) MSNBC (4.0%), PBS News (3.0%), CNBC (0.6%) and CBN (0.5%).

A big change since 2003: In 2003, CNN led Fox News on "trust most for accurate reporting" 23.8% to 14.6%.

Liberals consider Fox News to be "conservative" because they appeal to the non-elitist, between-the-coasts part of America. You know, the "fly-over country" liberals detest.

Like it or not, Fox News currently has the best reputation in news, even if saddled with a "conservative" monicker.

 

" You're admitting FOX is a

"
You're admitting FOX is a conservative network."

 

There should be at least one, right? Actually, Fox is only conservative by comparison to the rest of the bunch, which is pretty far left.

There can't be one robert

The goal is to "out" Fox as conservative so that no "right-minded" liberal would dare watch it.  Instead liberals go to websites that cherry-pick comments from 24 hour sweeps of Fox that "prove" they are some far-right organization.

But your are right, it should be no big deal.  However, liberals need their ideaology spoon fed without any opposing view points so that you don't get confused with facts.  it's why the school system is efficient and for the most part the media as well.  

However, Fox put a dent in that by not only giving the opposing view a better representative, but it was successful.  So it must be stopped and put out of business at all costs. 

Gee, I thought the lefties

Gee, I thought the lefties were all for "fairness".

Leaving Scarborough aside

Leaving Scarborough aside for a minute, what's with Harold Ford and the "how long are we going to talk about...."

There it is...the old liberal "time to move on...."

If he were a Republican, Ford or Maddow would likely be saying "And this issue isn't going away anytime soon."

mb, good catch

That couldn't possibly be whining from a Democrat, could it?

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
- George Bernard Shaw, 1944

Really. Who is Ford to say

Really. Who is Ford to say to anyone: OK, you've had your say about Bill Ayers...now shut up and leave the guy alone. That's what they want...to stop the discussion, and they will decide when it's "enough."

Hey, let's talk "issues"

That's another line I am so. so. so. Sick of hearing.

The old Liberal Cannard "No one talks Issues".

 Of course, the "issues" no one talks about are the issues no one is interested in, or no one agrees with are that important at the time.

 The, "He doesn't have a plan" line is also another way of saying "I don't agree with the carefully laid out plan he gave".

 

Really?

the old liberal "time to move on...."

Do you honestly believe there's never been an issue that a republican has come out and said the equivilant of "let's move on."?

Really... you believe that? 'Cause I'm suuure I could find something to fill that critera...

 

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

I am sure there has, too.

I am sure there has, too. But since you brought it up as a rebuttal, please offer us some examples.

 

Do you honestly believe


Do you honestly believe there's never been an issue that a republican has come out and said the equivilant of "let's move on."?

Did I say that?  Because I don't recall typing the words "Republicans don't do that."

Maddow is like the female

Maddow is like the female Keith Olbermann, completely absent of original thought. It's like they read DailyKos as a warmup before going on air.

I do like Joe, I watch him when he starts at 6am, he does make non-confrontational statements and travels down avenues that I think about. He needs to get rid of Mika, she's completely useless. I would like it if MSNBC replaced her with this one black woman that comes on occaisionally to fill her spot though. She does have a sort of socratic method at exploring issues.

 

"Boats are safe in the harbor, but that's not what they're made for." -- Maritime quote

Double standard, take googleplex

Here we have the MSM trying to rid Obama of a couple of nagging controversies, and yet the MSM did their best to hang Jack Abramoff (sp?) around the necks of every Republican who ever showed up in a picture with him.

When an MSM darling gets in a jam, the media always tries to question the legitimacy of the controversy 

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

AMEN!  "Abstain from

AMEN! 

"Abstain from McCain"

Rachel Maddow

Does anyone think Rachel Maddow and Ron Reagan, Jr. look a like? It's kind of creepy!

Could it be little Ronnie

Could it be little Ronnie in drag? 

"Abstain from McCain"

Exactly

"Maddow is like the female Keith Olbermann, completely absent of original thought. It's like they read DailyKos as a warmup before going on air. "

Eactly right. 

   She adds absolutely nothing to the show, because everything she says is absolutely predictable but what makes her un-watcheable and what I think Joe may have had enough of, is the way she says everything with a kind of condescending smirk an attitude of superiority, whereby anyone who doesn't share her hard left world view is moron and a fool.

          Tonight Ron Reagan Jr. was on MSNBC, he had the same condescending manerisms, you just want to reach into the TV and slap him.

       The other thing that I am sure bothers Joe is that she is a total nobody.  What is her experience, why is she even on the show.

He spent years in the congress, he ran for election, he spent years in Washington and with no credentials or real expereince  at all, is telling him his business. 

    

Did Duty Call?

Joe's no dummy and he's aware if he's on the panel as the token "conservative" exactly how he's going to be treated. I mean didn't he read the script ahead of time? Maybe Joe just had to go "wee wee" really bad.

Am I the only one who

Am I the only one who doesn't get this? This article is a little misleading - all we hear is a couple of clicks on a microphone. No acknowledgement that he walked off, nor does the video collage following his "walk off" even include a caption of him. Perhaps I'm not up to date on what exactly happened, but isn't it possible that his segment was over and some techie forgot to switch off his mic before it was removed?

No, you are not the only

No, you are not the only one.  I was wondering when he walked off too.  It could be that the segment was over and he had to prepare for something else.  Obviously his time to speak was over and the show was wrapping up. 

I was also wondering why she would even bring up McCain.  The issue was the democrat debate.  McCain is not debating anyone anymore.  When the general election comes around you can bet questions will be asked of McCain.

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Impartiality

"...or any sane American, for that matter."

It is interesting how the gentlest of people start frothing at the mouth and impartiality goes out the door when politics are involved. One reason why the goldren rule of civil dinner parties "don't discuss politics" exist.

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The MSM should ask McCain

The MSM should ask McCain why he doesn't have any former terrorist friends.

Another point...

A public bathroom is a far cry from a public forum. Wright openly spews hatred and ignorance to a congregation and through publications.

 

The big print giveth, and the fine print taketh away.

Fulton
J. Sheen

Wow

I detest Maddow as a total hack, but I see very little reason for Joe to act as he did. Maddow didn't engage in "Crossfire"-type tactics at all. She was quite reasonable by pundit show standards.

Joe overreacted.

We do not know

We do not know from the video content exactly why Joe walked off. Pehaps he was fed up. Perhaps he had another engagement.

Maddow is a hack. She made an absurd comparison between Jeremiah Wright and John Hagee. And she made an idiotic statement about some local campaign associate. McCain had no foreknowledge of his problems.

She was amazingly unreasonable and illogical by high school debate standards. By Daily Kos standards she is a genius.

AzRenegade

ENOUGH

Joe finally had enough and left.Maddow always makes a point to spout her disagreement with anyone who gives conservatives any credit.Everyone gives their take on something and once in a while may point out that they have another view than someone else,but Maddow does it constantly.A week or so ago is when I think he got upset with her.Gregory wanted a conservative point on something and asked Joe his thoughts.When he was done Maddow shaking her head the whole time he was talking (which she does a lot) cut in and gave her thoughts why he was wrong.Now Joe got agitated and sarcastically made the point ,that he was the conservative, not her.That he does not disagree with her when she makes  her left wing comments because he is not an expert there. She has done this a lot and this latest one probably was the last straw.                                                                                       I saw this  and thought Joe had walked off but was not sure until reading it here.After he rebutted her they went to break and instead of 4 faces on screen with Gregory, there were 3.Basically his point was that Obama was not as well known as Clinton or McCain.He mentioned Harold Ford (another panelist) knew what he was talking about.After all, only he like Joe himself had run for office on the panel.But Maddow like the left wing clown she is had to tell Joe how wrong he was.My sense is that Joe just  got sick of this know-it-all .If I am not mistaken she is a far left radio host with no political history of running for office.So for her to refute a conservative view when she is not a conservative or a man's perspective on running for an office when she never has is a joke.She is not only Keith Olbermann's new puppet but it seems she is on every MSNBC  show as an expert.Sad.

Walkin Joe

Hill Billy Riviera Joe walked for 1 of 2 reasons.

Trying to re establish cred with the right. Which ain't happenin!

Or more likely as a result of his disgust with himself for whoring himself (or should I say pimping himself) out to the left to get a pundit pension. He clearly can't run with the big right dogs (El Rushbo, O'Reilly, Hannity, Ingraham, Cavuto, Beck, Hewitt and many others) so to get a gig and make the big bucks, he chose to sell out and take the reformed (turncoat) conservative path (like buchanon). Joining the most liberal of a sad and sorry lot of left wing cable channels, whorin Joe attacks W and other conservatives and sucks up to the worst of the left wing whackos (Droolin Crissy, Gregory, olbermenn). msnbc touts him as "Former GOP congressman" every day!.  He is a joke and I think that watching the lunacy of one of his fellow travellers, like madcow, reminds him of what an AH he has become!

Difference of Opinion is what makes a Horse Race

Do we really know the

Do we really know the reason Joe left?

Plane to catch, hot date?

I can't see the likes of someone as sleazy as Maddow running him off, although he is no favorite of mine.

Just wondering.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Joe has his ups and

Joe has his ups and downs.  For every time I want to hug him, there’s another time I want to drop-kick his sorry behind.

Rachel Maddow reminds me of Theodore (Beaver) Cleaver’s classmate, Judy, who was always the first student to raise her hand in Miss Lander’s classroom…. and she was always anxious to tattle. 

Rachel’s long suit is intelligence and her short suit is charisma.