But the Time editor wasn't quite so forgiving when it came to the past of the current pontiff. Appearing on today's Morning Joe to discuss Time's cover story on Pope Benedict XVI's impending visit to America, Stengel blithely referred to the Pope as having been the Vatican's "hatchet man" during his years as a cardinal.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: So Rick, tell us about the Pope.In fairness, Stengel's overall tone toward the Pope was respectful, even laudatory. He went on to describe him [as does the Time cover story] as someone who has praised our constitutional system as promoting religion and is very pro-American.
RICK STENGEL: Why the Pope loves America. You know, the Pope of course is coming to America for the first time as Pope, to New York and Washington. And, you know, one of the things we discovered about him, he's not as familiar [to Americans] obvioulsy as his predecessor, and he was the kind of hatchet man of the Vatican as Cardinal Ratzinger, but he loved America his whole life.
But that still leaves the "hatchet man" slur. This was an unexplained allusion to Cardinal Ratzinger's service as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, formerly known as the Holy Office. In that role, Cardinal Ratzinger was responsible for "defending and reaffirming Catholic doctrine, including teaching on topics such as birth control, homosexuality, and inter-religious dialogue."
In Stengel's mind, defending the venerable doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church made Cardinal Ratzinger a "hatchet man." But criticizing Rev. Wright for calling on God to damn America? That just exposes white America's ignorance.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
















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Interesting...
April 3, 2008 - 10:51 ET by Roger the ShrubberThat skillful axe-wielding ability obviously was the result of the Pope's extensive Hitler Youth background. After all, they weren't just trained to use long knives, you know.
Time
April 3, 2008 - 11:42 ET by iveseenitallTime Magazine, as are all "liberal" rags, is on its way out. The more a jerk like Stengel opens his bigoted, uninformed mouth, the more decent people see what hate-filled, ignorant "liberalism" is all about. "Jornalism" today is replete with ignorant, uneducated people like Stengel. He and others continue to destroy whatever good reputation publications like Time have enjoyed. But ignorance and apathy are bliss for many, if not most, people. I guess that's why guys like this keep their positions.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Time Editor Blames Whites For Ignorance?
April 3, 2008 - 12:12 ET by zeestephen"Time editor Rick Stengel was quick to blame the controversy over Rev. Wright's past remarks on "the incredible ignorance of white Americans" about what goes on in black churches."
Yeah, right - like Time Magazine has done such a wonderful job of reporting what goes on in black churches that us dumb white boys should have known what Rev. Wright was up to each Sunday?
Maybe a Time cover photo of Rev. Wright's pelvic thrust and "ridin' dirty" comment would have awakened me?
Funny, it's white Americans'
April 3, 2008 - 12:48 ET by WhoIsJohnGaltfault for not knowing what goes on in black churches, but if the shoe were on the other foot and we were discussing what went on at a KKK meeting, would he blame the "incredible ignorance of black Americans"?
I do think that God was the
April 3, 2008 - 11:13 ET by bassndudeI do think that God was the axe man, the Pope was just the axe.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
A couple points
April 3, 2008 - 11:07 ET by KC MulvilleA bishop’s job is part pastor, part teacher, part administrator, and part {many other things}. Most of us want to see bishops as warm and friendly pastors, but that’s only part of their job. Each bishop is the head of (what amounts to) a substantial corporation, and the bishop has to fulfill all the roles of a CEO, and of course, CEOs have to be strict and stern on occasion. When that bishop is the Pope, the roles are too big for one man to fill competently, so they subcontract the jobs out to “prefects.” Ratzinger’s role under John Paul II was to make sure that Catholic teachers (mostly the professional theologians) were teaching authentic Catholic faith. It wasn't a warm and fuzzy job. Ratzinger was the chief disciplinarian of the intellectuals. Naturally, JPII played the role of the warm and friendly pastor, although he could be just as “determined” as Ratzinger when the time called for it. It's nice to see Ratzinger get to play the warm and fuzzy role, while someone else gets to be the bad guy.
Last week, Stengel showed that he didn’t understand most religions, and especially didn’t understand Catholicism. Last week, Stengel admitted that he followed the same attitude as “cafeteria Catholics,” picking and choosing what he personally felt like believing, and that’s why he thought everyone else was so wrong about Obama’s pastor. In Stengel’s mind, why couldn’t we just ignore those nasty parts of the Reverend’s comments, and just accept the happy stuff? So my question is, if this guy demonstrably doesn’t understand religion, why is he in the position of editor over columns about religion?
Would it surprise you if
April 3, 2008 - 11:25 ET by GWWould it surprise you if he's the best Time has on the subject?
Not really
April 3, 2008 - 13:14 ET by KC MulvilleWhy don't I believe that a reporter assigned to the "religion beat" is a religious expert?
The problem is ... those reporters do!
I agree about the role Of
April 3, 2008 - 12:01 ET by mjgI agree about the role Of then Cardinal Ratzinger during the time of Pope John Paul 2. Stengels comment border on stupidity. Comparing the Pope to Obama's Pastor is like comparing apples to oranges. No way does the Pope or any Priest I have ever know go up on the pulpit and say any of the things Wright said in his sermons. Most things said during the Homily consists of the readings and Christ. I have watched the current pope from time to time on EWTN and have noticed the same things that my Priest talks about he says. Of course the stance on abortion is as it should be for most Catholics. Anti-abortion, pro- life.
This is just an liberal attempt
April 3, 2008 - 11:39 ET by ahusserto defray criticism and shield Obama from the Rev. Wright's bigotry,prejudice and hateful speech. It is the relativist defense that liberals always use. That's why they, in their tiny minds, can equate Moslem fundamentalism and its murderous ways to Christian fundamentalism or equate Bush=Hitler. After all Christians in general and Catholics in particular can always be bashed without any repercussions
How come these libs never say anything
April 3, 2008 - 11:52 ET by FastEdabout the clinton hatchets? And why is he such a religionist? With all these anti-everything "journalists", I'm hoping my reservation at the 3rd fire pit on the right will still be there, oh, they'll be on the left.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Rick Stengel Was Correct About the Ignorance Factor
April 3, 2008 - 11:56 ET by BondPlainBondRick Stengel was correct about the ignorance factor. White Americans were ignorant of the fact that (many) black American churches are the pinpoints in American society where racism, bigotry, prejudice, and hate are being deliberately perpetuated. For the past three decades, those cheering, clapping, and in-complete-agreement congregations have been dutifully spreading the "good news" of racism, bigotry, prejudice, and hate throughout communities across America.
Now that individuals, such as the Reverends Wright and Moss, have been exposed, more white Americans should make their way, on the occasional Sunday, to one of the black churches in their community, maybe even a church that teaches the Black Value System and/or Black Liberation Theology. Surely they will be welcomed with opened arms and in the spirit of loving brotherhood by each member of the congregation that has been taught for years to hate, distrust, and despise them.
About Rick Stengel's using the term "hatchet man" regarding the Pope; Stengel's a dyed-in-the-wool liberal. Any disrespect a liberal can casually toss off about an iconic and world-respected Christian leader (a coups if it's the Pope, more street cred with the libs), is expected... and the comment will be blithley ignored by those that just don't care or don't know the difference.
The complacency in today's media is pathetic. For liberals being so up-in-arms about the need to be politically correct, being politically smarmy toward those the liberals oppose is the liberal SOP. There's no denying it. We see it every day in the papers and every hour on television.
In the Church ....
April 3, 2008 - 12:57 ET by ForeverOnTheRighttheir should be NO black or white church, we are supposed to be one in Christ with NO differentiation. The Church I go to has black, white, Hispanic, Asian Indian etc in it, the way the church should be, a cross section (no pun intended) of society. Some white churches are “white” because of demographics. Some just because they don’t appeal to other ethnic or racial groups and hopefully very few by design. Rev. Wright’s church is by design blacks only, whites not welcome, as far as I know.
FOTR
April 3, 2008 - 13:57 ET by BondPlainBondWhile the videos of Reverend Wright we have seen on the news, which are being sold by Trinity United Church of Christ, make it difficult to see any white Americans in the writhing throngs, TUCC did trot out a lone "token" white female to the media to make her proclamation of being a long-time member-in-good-standing at TUCC; her talking head with her name and "Member of TUCC" in the lower corner to identify her, no other member of TUCC with her to nod and smile.
Whether she actually is a member of TUCC or if she is now on a spur-of-the-moment extravagant all-expenses-paid vacation, we'll never know.
Haven't seen or heard positive or negative comments from any other white member of TUCC via any form of the MSM. You'd think white members of that "open" church would be giving statements to the MSM in defense of their beloved radical pastor, would you? I would. *shrug* There simply are none, or, they don't want to have their faces and names made public. Ah, that good old sin of omission.
I am not Catholic. I have
April 3, 2008 - 12:09 ET by buddycI am not Catholic. I have seen actions of the Catholic Church I admire and I have seen things I don't admire. Because I am not Catholic I keep my criticism to myself. But, I am very offended by Stengel's comment. If you disagree with the Catholic religion don't join. Last time I checked membership was purely voluntarily. No one has to join. Stengel is a peddler of hate not news. His comments are an insult to all religious people not just Catholics.
not religion
April 3, 2008 - 12:23 ET by AgnosticReading this I was more struck by the idea that criticism was born from the fact that the Pope loved America. I could be wrong but this is the phrase that proceeded the snide remark and it wasn't followed up by his actions as a religious leader that would explain the remark.
Blithely
April 3, 2008 - 13:40 ET by CobraManI don't know what "blithely" means, but I'm going to get some coffee.
(Two points for whomever can name the movie from which I lifted that quote.)
What's an "axe man?"
April 3, 2008 - 14:36 ET by ASTThe Catholic Church is not a democracy, nor should it be. If it had to run its doctrines by the membership for a vote, what moral authority could it claim? It's supposed to teach moral principles and the word of God. If someone doesn't like the doctrine he should leave and start his own church, not seek to usurp the authority of the Magisterium.
As for " 'the incredible ignorance of white Americans' about what goes on in black churches," what's his point? That Wright's hate speech against Whites and this country should be expected? That all black preachers teach that AIDS was created by the U.S. to commit genocide? Or that nobody who attends those churches really takes the preaching seriously?
If this is standard for all black churches, I'd say the first part of the "coversation on race" should be "Quit accusing us of genocide and being the cause of all your problems, then we'll talk."
I thought "Axe Man" was
April 3, 2008 - 14:41 ET by Roger the ShrubberI thought "Axe Man" was what was on Kramer's license plate?
It's from "I Robot", I
April 3, 2008 - 19:31 ET by LonevoiceIt's from "I Robot", I think...
If it ain't a baby, you ain't pregnant....