On today's Morning Joe, Obama fan Mika Brzezinski did her best to defuse the spot of bother Barack is in over the extremist statements made by his personal spiritual advisor, the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright, Jr.
Over the course of the three-hour show, Mika variously and repeatedly:
- mentioned that Obama has already distanced himself from Wright.
- pointed out that the Clinton campaign has its own race-related problems, as with Bill in S.C. and the recent Ferraro flap.
- insinuated that the Clinton campaign might be behind the recent emergence of the Wright tapes.
And then there was my favorite. Mika speculated that the sermon in which Wright used the n-word to make an invidious comparison between Hillary and Obama might have been six years old. That's right. Brzezinski imagined that Wright might have taken to his pulpit to excoriate Hillary back in 2001 or 2002, at a time when Barack was a mere Illinois state senator and the presidency not even a gleam in his eye.
View video here.
I've put together an edited tape of Mika's various utterances. As extensive as it is, it doesn't come close to including all of Mika's various interjections on Obama's behalf during the show's 180 minutes.
Here's the transcript of that one highlight:
WILLIE GEIST: These are sermons he's given over the years that have bubbled to the surface and frankly some scary stuff that no doubt Barack Obama is going to have to answer for and answer for his relationship with this man. We'll give you a sampling. In this first one, you might want to run the kids out of the room. Here it is.
JEREMIAH WRIGHT: It just came to me within the past few weeks, y'all, why so many folk are hating on Barack obama. He doesn't fit the model. He ain't white. He ain't rich. And he ain't privileged. Hillary fits the mold. Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a [bleeped out n-word].
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Again, we need to put perspective on these things. The Obama campaign says he's no longer pastor of the church, that this happened way back. Well, no.
MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Is this six years old, this video?
Joe and Willie gently set Mika straight.
SCARBOROUGH; No, that one wasn't. That happened right before the Iowa caucuses.GEIST: A couple of months ago.
SCARBOROUGH: That was in December 2007 right before Iowa.
Oh well. It's the spirit that counts. And no one can deny that Mika's heart is firmly in the Obama camp.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.















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He ain't rich. And he ain't
March 14, 2008 - 12:35 ET by Free ThinkerHe ain't rich. And he ain't privileged. Hillary fits the mold. Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people.
Is this guy talking about Ivy League educated United States Senator Barack Obama?
True, but his Princeton and
March 14, 2008 - 12:39 ET by Mark FinkelsteinTrue, but his Princeton and Harvard-educated wife had to scrape by on a salary of $316,962/year.
Wow, talk about living in
March 14, 2008 - 12:47 ET by Clear thinkerWow, talk about living in the gutter. Her color sure has held her back from making a living wage. Where can we send the food and clothing donations?
"Abstain from McCain"
Gee, Mark, we should all have it so tough.
March 14, 2008 - 13:37 ET by R D HelmGood grief.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Was Obama rich and
March 14, 2008 - 12:52 ET by goldbarWas Obama rich and privileged? Enlighten please.
He is now!!!!
March 14, 2008 - 12:57 ET by BEGRUNT"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
How did he get rich?
March 14, 2008 - 13:04 ET by CaringwhiteguyHow could he do it all on his own in Massa's evil, mean society? And to show his gratitude he/and the lovely Michelle contributed $22,000 to Rev. Wright's "Church" last year.
Your right CWG
March 14, 2008 - 13:10 ET by BEGRUNTThe massa even paid to send he and his wife to Ivy League schools.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
So just answer the
March 14, 2008 - 13:09 ET by goldbarSo just answer the question. Did Obama come from a rich, privileged upbringing like say--George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton? Provide a link.
goldbar
March 14, 2008 - 13:13 ET by BarkerHillary Clinton had a rich and privileged upbringing? Do tell.
Ignorance is golden.
March 14, 2008 - 13:31 ET by NL207Ignorance is golden. Hillary Rodham is the product of a very much upper-crust family.
"Hillary Rodham was born in Chicago, Illinois, and was raised in a Methodist family in Park Ridge, Illinois. Her father, Hugh Ellsworth Rodham, a conservative, was an executive in the textile industry, and her mother, Dorothy Emma Howell Rodham, was a homemaker. "
"As an undergraduate at Wellesley College ... entered Yale Law School ... She joined the faculty of the University of Arkansas Law School in 1975 and the Rose Law Firm in 1976. In 1978, President Jimmy Carter appointed her to the board of the Legal Services Corporation"
Hillary looks like a child of privilege and political influence all the way. She even attended the same university, Yale, as George W. Bush and John F. Kerry. By your estimation, neither of these gentlemen must be privileged rich kids either ...
If ignorance is golden.....
March 14, 2008 - 13:48 ET by Barker....then you, NL207, shine like the purest flakes. ;^)
Barker, NL207 and all:
March 14, 2008 - 13:49 ET by Mark FinkelsteinBarker, NL207 and all:
Feelings understandably are running high and will continue to do so on many issues from here forward. But I would respectfully ask all readers to avoid the at times understandable temptation to flame. I've succumbed myself at times, but really would ask people to make the effort.
Thanks in advance.
Mark
What flames? I called
March 14, 2008 - 14:02 ET by NL207What flames? I called this fellow, 'goldbar', out for his snide, unsupported attack on a previous post and presented a reasoned argument based on the contents of two web published Clinton bios. 'goldbar' has a lengthy history of snide, lefty comments. He received the treatment he earned.
This fellow Barker has just been challenged. He has little history. Let's see what he does.
NL207
March 14, 2008 - 14:12 ET by BarkerNext time, specify the target of your insult.
NL, Just thought you
March 14, 2008 - 14:13 ET by LeonNL,
Just thought you might like to know.
Hillary's father was born in SCRANTON and worked as a laborer in a lace company.
He was an executive of a drapery company, but he started it. It was his company that he built from scratch.
Hardly priviliged.
I haven't seen you here
March 14, 2008 - 13:50 ET by NL207I haven't seen you here before. Would you like to defend the contention that Hillary is something other than a child of privilege?
NL
March 14, 2008 - 14:20 ET by BarkerI consider every child born in America to be privileged.
To paraphrase Orwell, "some
March 14, 2008 - 14:31 ET by NL207To paraphrase Orwell, "some kids are more privileged than others".
HRC is most certainly a member of that group and her stature there has little to do with any achievement on her part.
NL207- I agree with your
March 14, 2008 - 14:39 ET by goldbarNL207-
I agree with your Hillary bio. Scratch her name from my earlier comment.
I stand corrected. On orthopedic shoes.
Then we agree that all of
March 14, 2008 - 15:32 ET by NL207Then we agree that all of HRC, Bush Jr or Sr, and John F. Kerry are products of privilege?
I couldn't say HRC is
March 14, 2008 - 15:43 ET by goldbarI couldn't say HRC is privileged. Bush and Kerry, yes.
HRC's bios clearly place
March 14, 2008 - 16:42 ET by NL207HRC's bios clearly place her family in the top 5% of incomes. Park Ridge, IL in the 1950's was a very fashionable upper middle class bedroom community. Her father is described as a corporate executive ... someone we would describe as very well off $ wise.
HRC was afforded the most expensive education available at that time.
I attended an elite University of the same stature at the same time. I even crossed paths with HRC at one point. The only reason I was able to attend that University was by provenance of the US Military, who were interested in my services in an entirely different capacity. I did not know ANYONE in that environment who was not either from a well-to-do family or was not receiving significant government support. It is clear from HRC's bio she was not receiving government support. Therefore, she is from a well-to-do family.
It was handed to him
March 14, 2008 - 13:13 ET by BEGRUNTObama was handed his success and future by the evil rich white people, just ask his "pastor". What in gods name does some one with prior wealth have to do with someone who had it handed to him? Stop with the poor black man crap, it rings hollow.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Explain what "was handed to
March 14, 2008 - 13:25 ET by goldbarExplain what "was handed to him". President of the Harvard Law Review is an elected position. The State Senate is an elected position. The U.S. Senate is an elected position.
Going to Harvard and Princeton
March 14, 2008 - 13:33 ET by BEGRUNTIs not an elected position, it was GIVEN to him by the evil rich white people......so your point is??
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
You're absolutely right.
March 14, 2008 - 13:41 ET by goldbarYou're absolutely right. You don't get elected to Harvard or Princeton, but admission to these institutions isn't "handed" to anyone. What do you mean it was given to him by "evil rich white people"? Did he not have the grades necessary to enter Harvard Law School?
Two words goldbrick
March 14, 2008 - 13:46 ET by BEGRUNTAffirmative Action!!!
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Goldbrick, one more point
March 14, 2008 - 13:51 ET by BEGRUNTWhen I joined the police department, I had to score a 95% to get on, minorities only had to score a 65, 70%. You tell me whats fair, and requires hard work? It is far easier on minorities than others...............
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Well Begrunt, What was
March 14, 2008 - 14:00 ET by LeonWell Begrunt,
What was it? 65 or 70%?
It had to be one or the other. Or perhaps you're just making this up.
Yeah, that's more likely. You're just making it up.
It's good to see such a tolerant public servant. It's sad that you feel the need to lie to prove a point.
The testing requirements are the same for all officers in all police departments. There is no difference in requirements based on race.
Sorry.
He's not making it up. My
March 14, 2008 - 14:02 ET by marpelHe's not making it up. My Dad and brother were cops. He's telling the truth. The civil service exam was much easier for minorities in my City.
Marpel, You've been sadly
March 14, 2008 - 14:11 ET by LeonMarpel,
You've been sadly misinformed.
Testing requirements are the same for everyone. Regardless of your brother and father's negative feelings about minorities.
Sorry, Leon, but Marpel is right.
March 14, 2008 - 14:22 ET by R D HelmI have had several police officers in my family (4). In many jurisdictions, minorities, along with women, are held to a lower standard in job qualifications.
We have had several scandals here in Atlanta with local governments grading minorities on a different scale in order to fill certain quotas.
This has been going on for years.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Thanks, RDH... I also have
March 14, 2008 - 14:41 ET by marpelThanks, RDH... I also have my degree in Law Enforcement, and know exactly what is done on the civil service exam.
marpel,
March 14, 2008 - 15:12 ET by R D HelmOne of these days I am gong to have to travel to Leon's planet.
LOL-I'm just dying to see what color the sky is there. Somehow, I don't think its blue.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Thanks for the laugh, RD! I
March 14, 2008 - 15:21 ET by marpelThanks for the laugh, RD! I think everyone is entitled to their opinion, but there's no need to be rude like Leon was. No need to call people liars, etc. It just enflames what already is a touchy situation. We should all just have a good discussion, pro and con, without insulting others.
Makes for better contributions to the blog, I think. :o)
Thanks for the humor.
Marpel, Than it's
March 14, 2008 - 16:17 ET by LeonMarpel,
Than it's incredibly strange you didn't know that the testing requirement is the same for everyone, regardless of race.
The minimum score is the same for everyone.
Fact.
Feel free to prove me wrong if you want. For instance, provide a police departments list of requirements where it shows two different test scores required for the civil service exam for two different races.
Every website I've seen has the same testing requirement for everyone.
Now that you've called me a
March 14, 2008 - 16:22 ET by marpelNow that you've called me a liar also, I will not further this discussion. Hopefully, one day, you'll see the light.
Marpel, You claimed that
March 14, 2008 - 16:24 ET by LeonMarpel,
You claimed that minorities have lower testing requirements than whites on the civil service exam.
This is false. I didn't call you a liar, I just pointed out that your spreading wrong (and extremely harmful) information.
The minimum score required to pass the civil service exam is the same for everyone regardless of race.
While your anecdotal evidence is great and all, you'll have to provide some proof to back up the ridiculous assertion that minorities have lower test score requirements.
The minimum score to pass
March 14, 2008 - 17:28 ET by BDThe minimum score to pass MIGHT be the same, but when one comptitor is subsidized a certain percentage of point in the competitoin by the government hiring activity based on race, then it has the same effect.
You will simply acheive the minimum quality possible rather than the highest.
LOL marpel... ...when it
March 14, 2008 - 16:26 ET by bigtimerLOL marpel...
...when it comes to Leon that is wishful thinking.
Honestly, he's totally off
March 14, 2008 - 16:36 ET by marpelHonestly, he's totally off message of this column. Just to be enflamatory. He has no idea that I was told that because my last name wasn't hispanic, it didn't matter what I got on the civil service exam. That was from the monitor of the exam.
marpel I've sworn off also
March 14, 2008 - 17:06 ET by BEGRUNTI will not be gulled into fisticuffs by that twit again. There's no cure for HUA.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Don't count on it, marpel.
March 14, 2008 - 17:10 ET by motherbeltDon't count on it, marpel.
R D, We're talking about
March 14, 2008 - 16:15 ET by LeonR D,
We're talking about the civil service exam requirement.
This is the same for everyone regardless of race (in most cases, it's 70%).
Sorry but this is the truth.
Leon, its not the exam itself.
March 14, 2008 - 17:09 ET by R D HelmEver heard of a grading curve?
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
NOt only grading, and not
March 14, 2008 - 17:11 ET by motherbeltNOt only grading, and not separate tests. Sometimes they just eliminate the parts minorities can't pass. The North Miami Police Dept. eliminated its swimming test because they didn't have enough blacks passing it.
Leon, are you aware that PC nosense gets people killed?
March 14, 2008 - 17:34 ET by R D HelmThere are times, particularly in the areas of law enforcement and firefighting, that putting unquallified people in certain positions can have tragic consequences.
One example: The Brian Nichols case here in Atlanta.
This man showed up for court one day, took his guard's service weapon, then killed her, the court reporter, the judge, a Fulton County deputy, and later a federal customs agent. This did not have to happen.
You know why this happened? Political correctness, that's why.
Fist of all, Nichols, who is six feet tall and over two hundred pounds, was not even cuffed. This was because some bleeding heart moron decided it might prejudice some people in the courtroom if a defendant was cuffed. That was the first act of stupidity.
Secondly, his only guard was a lone female deputy, and don't even tell me that political correctness had nothing to do with this blatant stupidity.
Nichols had no problem overpowering her and taking her gun. Five innocent people are now dead because the Fulton County Government was more interested in being "stylish" than protecting innocent people.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
RD,
March 14, 2008 - 17:37 ET by tracheostomyEven though I'm prone to believe you on this, poor decisions are not proof of a PC conspiracy.
Who made the call on cuffing Nichols? Names and quotes please.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Trach,
March 14, 2008 - 18:13 ET by R D HelmFirst of all, I live in Atlanta, and I saw the whole thing unfold on live TV. This story has been dissected rather completely around here.
But, since you asked, there's this, this, this and this for starters.
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RD,
March 14, 2008 - 18:50 ET by tracheostomyQuote from link #1. "Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard said he did not know what exactly was done in the way of stepped-up security, but said the deputies were receptive to their request. Dreher said that there were no other officers other than the female deputy assisting with taking Nichols to court. The law requires that defendants on trial not be handcuffed as they enter the courtroom, to make sure the sight of cuffs doesn't unfairly influence the jury."
I see this as withheld information on the part of Howard and whoever passed the law. Who's being held responsible? And still the link was not proof the female deputy was unqualified. Simple lack of numbers = not proof of a PC conspiracy.
Reese: Political correctness and incompetence example No. 1 is the rule that prisoners must not be shackled lest it prejudice the jury. Luckily, the jurors weren't present, but if they had been, watching a prisoner shoot a judge and a court reporter would certainly be more prejudicial than seeing him in handcuffs. I expect even the incompetent people in Fulton County will change that rule.
Agreed, but this is not a race issue, it is a "criminals having more rights than necessary" issue. Sure it's PC alright, but not a damning one in favor of race or gender, just criminals.
Reese: Political correctness and incompetence example No. 2 is assigning a female deputy to escort an unshackled prisoner to the courtroom. Feminism is an ideology, not a description of reality. A 51-year-old, 5-foot-tall female was no match for a 6-foot-1-inch former college linebacker. He attacked her and took her gun. What in God's name would anyone expect to happen?
The proof would be that the female deputy was actually allowed to slide through the physical on the entrance exam. If the physical requirements are too lenient in favor of the female, then this needs to be seen in writing. A whistleblower from the inside would also be acceptable. If the physical requirements are just too lenient period, then it's not an issue of gender.
Furthermore, a 51-year-old, 5-foot-tall male is obviously no match for a 6-foot-1-inch former college linebacker either.
The crime here is that she was flying solo in the first place. That's it.
Reese: For a little bit of history, most law-enforcement agencies used to have height and weight requirements for male officers. Then a federal judge decided that that was treating women unequally.
I read this as nothing but a variant of the liberal "some say" statement.
Get me the name of the federal judge and you got the win. Even a man of the same age, height, and weight of Nichols would have a difficult time taking him down quickly. This is clearly an issue not only of numbers, but also of time.
I believe Nichols would have taken the same risk to get to the gun if he had the time to do so. Barrring that his deputy was freakin' Walker Texas Ranger, then a 1-on-1 struggle would have given him that time he needed.
Reese's article weighs more heavily in favor of pure incompetence, which knows no bias, and merely infers the PC as an arbitrary attachment. <--- So regardless, it needs more work.
Ditto Boortz: Anyone who thinks that the political leadership of Atlanta searched far and wide for the absolute best possible person to lead the department, irrespective of questions of color and politics, needs help.
I would surely feel that Neal is right on this one, but this is still inferred. Has any of these policies changed since the incident?
In my opinion, the Doug Powers article makes the best case. But still, this is inferred. And it still doesn't make the case that women and minorities are allowed to slide through.
Powers: Police and security holsters have two or three separate steps involved in order to remove a weapon. Brian Nichols obviously was familiar with these steps, or else the weapon wasn't properly secured by the security officer.
Was there a follow up investigation that proved either way?
Sorry RD. All I see is a fair case for Political Correctness supporting criminals, but nothing in the case of race or gender.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Trach,
March 14, 2008 - 22:24 ET by R D HelmLook, I am not trying to get into a deep scientific analysis here. This is common sense, really.
My point was, and still is, two things:
1) A lone female deputy had no business being the (sole) guard of a 200lb + former football playing defendant who was in court on a rape charge. Her competence, or lack thereof, is irrelevant here. twenty five years ago, Nichol's guard would have been male, and I am sure their would have been more than one.
2) Nichols should have been, at the very least cuffed and/or restrained in some manner. Political correctness was the sole reason that he wasn't.
Yes, the policies of the County have since changed, but it took multiple innocent deaths to bring that change about.
It shouldn't have happened to beging with.
That's all I'm saying.
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RD,
March 15, 2008 - 17:45 ET by tracheostomyRD: Look, I am not trying to get into a deep scientific analysis here. This is common sense, really.
Anything worth discussing is worth carefully thinking about beforehand. I sincerely do not believe you are giving this topic the consideration it truly deserves. How on earth do you think you can beat the liberal on the facts if you haven't sifted through them yourself?
RD: 1) A lone female deputy had no business being the (sole) guard of a 200lb + former football playing defendant who was in court on a rape charge. Her competence, or lack thereof, is irrelevant here. twenty five years ago, Nichol's guard would have been male, and I am sure their would have been more than one.
a.) You are deliberately combining the dual facts that the deputy was both alone and female. This is an arbitrary correlation on your part, and it is totally unfair to the situation at hand. The fact that she was a lone guard renders her gender secondary, and thus invalid to the discussion.
b.) Her competence in this case is totally relevant, because the very links you cited were accusations of the same. If she had any competence, she would have gone up the ladder, pointed out the unbalanced nature of the security, and the fact that he had tried to smuggle in a sharp object on a previous occasion. She was the last line of defense and failed (presumably) because she was cowed by an administration policy that put her in danger. Stupid is as stupid does. Again, her gender comes secondary to this complete cluster foul-up, and the blame falls squarely within the failure of chain-of-command to take initiative, from the bottom all the way to the top. Simple.
c.) Had this been 25 years ago, then yes, she probably would have been male, but the other security measures would have been in place as well, like say a pair of cuffs. Thus, that final statement cancels itself out, because it is an incompetence issue; and not a gender issue.
RD: 2) Nichols should have been, at the very least cuffed and/or restrained in some manner. Political correctness was the sole reason that he wasn't.
I agreed with this. My previous post clearly stated that as well. However, I have been pointing out all along that this is a politically correct issue in regards to "criminal rights" and neither race or gender, which was the main topic to begin with.
RD: Yes, the policies of the County have since changed, but it took multiple innocent deaths to bring that change about.
So women are banned from security detail, then?
I completely understand "all you're saying," but you're not giving any room for the 6'10 amazons of the world. Sure, it's rare, but it is possible to be 100% gender neutral about a policy without adding liberal quotas that threaten to pull down the overall competency standards of the entire department.
Why can't you just say, "Look, screw the quotas and hire anyone who meets the minimum height, weight, lifting requirements, and a little Kung-Fu preferred on the side," huh?
That's all I'm saying.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Leon climbs out from under his rock
March 14, 2008 - 14:06 ET by BEGRUNTI'm in command staff knucklehead, I think I know. What department do you work for? Not!!
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Begrunt, You're still
March 14, 2008 - 14:10 ET by LeonBegrunt,
You're still making things up. The testing requirements are the same for everyone.
Sounds like you've been buying into the watercooler gossip of your intolerant co-workers looking for excuses to gripe.
Command staff? A guy with nothing short of utter contempt for minorities?
That's great. Just great.
And failing all else, Leon
March 14, 2008 - 17:14 ET by motherbeltAnd failing all else, Leon goes to his "money shot" : accusing others of being racists.
This sub-thread is crap. . .
March 14, 2008 - 17:21 ET by tracheostomyI got nothing but personal accounts and argument from authority on one side and a nonexistent civil service exam on the other.
Can we get some relevant paperwork, articles, quotes, or (I should be so lucky) a comprehensive list from someone to tip the scales here?
Someone? Anyone?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
trach, here's just one that
March 14, 2008 - 20:02 ET by motherbelttrach, here's just one that I am familiar with; the link in the posting doesn't work any more, but he quotes from the original article. I remember hearing about this at the time.
Police Drop Swim Requirement
Okay, I'll take it on trust
March 14, 2008 - 20:22 ET by tracheostomyOkay, I'll take it on trust that there was an original article. Let's take a look:
Quote: In an attempt to recruit minority officers, the police department in North Miami, Fla., has dropped swimming as a required skill because it says not enough potential black applicants know how to swim well enough to pass the test.
Who said that again?
According to Boyd-Savage, she sees swimming as unnecessary to being a PO.
I agree with the statement by Pitts, and I only see that race is implied here, but not directly stated or nailed down in an official document obtained by the press.
Thus, the headline is either an unsupported or false implication.
Sorry, you know how I am.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Leon, don't know if you
March 14, 2008 - 14:06 ET by Mark FinkelsteinLeon, don't know if you noticed my post above, but I've asked people to avoid flames. Accusing someone else of a lie is not in that spirit. I would appreciate your cooperation.
Excuse me, but we aren't
March 14, 2008 - 14:00 ET by goldbarExcuse me, but we aren't talking about you and your race for the Whitehouse. Did Harvard just "hand" Obama a law degree?
Your words goldbar, not
March 14, 2008 - 14:31 ET by bassndudeYour words goldbar, not ours.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
My guess is you would be the
March 14, 2008 - 14:44 ET by Free ThinkerMy guess is you would be the first to say George W. Bush was handed an MBA from Harvard that he did not deserve. To argue that Obama has come from some disadvantaged place in society is just ignoring facts. The preacher cited is a racist seeking power by telling blacks that they have no hope in the American dream. He is wrong and his words are absurd. Obama is a stark contrast to this message and it seems odd that he would even associate with such a divisive anti-American figure.
Amazing to note that
March 14, 2008 - 17:34 ET by BDAmazing to note that getting a law degree from an institution is considered the mark of intellect and education, but getting an MBA from the same institution is not.....
Leadbar usually has no
March 14, 2008 - 13:41 ET by Clear thinkerLeadbar usually has no point.
"Abstain from McCain"
goldbar
March 14, 2008 - 13:40 ET by BarkerYou don't think many Americans would consider attending private schools in Indonesia and Hawaii, and attending Harvard after that, a privilege?
Just what is your point anyway?
My point is this: Nobody
March 14, 2008 - 13:57 ET by goldbarMy point is this: Nobody just hands you the most coveted position at Harvard Law based on the color of your skin. You have to be not only brilliant, but you have to demonstrate leadership qualities. Are you privileged? Not necessarily. Harvard didn't just "hand" him a law degree. He had to work for it.
Goldbrick what world do you live in?
March 14, 2008 - 14:02 ET by BEGRUNTYou must live a very sheltered life, did you not read the above post? The bar is far lower on minorities. Ya, I'm sure he worked hard, but not as hard as others. Did he get there on merit? I doubt it highly.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Begrunt, You doubt it,
March 14, 2008 - 14:04 ET by LeonBegrunt,
You doubt it, but do you know?
OF course, not. You're just making stuff up this entire thread.
Leon, you dont know either.
March 14, 2008 - 14:34 ET by bassndudeLeon, you dont know either. Your just kinda making it up as you go along. To deny the existince of quotas in areas of law enforcement, schools, ect. and deny the curve used to get them there is pure ignorance. It is mandated by federal law.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Bass, The minimum score
March 14, 2008 - 16:18 ET by LeonBass,
The minimum score required to pass the civil service exam is the same for everyone regardless of race.
This is the truth. Sorry.
Then why the quotas, Leon?
March 14, 2008 - 17:14 ET by bassndudeThen why the quotas, Leon? The exam is graded on a curve, you got points for being a minority, duh. The score is the same, but you score lower on the test. Its the bonus points you get for being non-white.
I work for the goverment. I was hired before others, because I had a 10 point advantage going in.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Bass: The only example I
March 14, 2008 - 18:05 ET by BDBass:
The only example I can come up with of verified discrimination in the military that I can remember occurred when I was a midrange captain in mid 1990's when an Army promotion board for the rank of Colonel was given racial and gender "Goals".
The Board met, selected the promotables from the candidates in the approriate list and presented the list to the Army G1 personnel folks who were working on that board who promptly presented the list back to the board and told them to redo it as they had not "Met their goals."
The board met for another day, removed a few people from the list and replaed them with what they believed were lesser qualified candidates in order to acheive the "Goal" presented to them.
The list was published and those on the list began being promoted.
Then, members of the board relased that information to the Army Times and other members of previous boards who had received the same guidance came forward and informed the Times that similar things had happened previously.
Those LTC's who competed for promotion in those boards who were not promoted immediately sued the DOD and all hell reigned for several years as the military attempted to solve the problem.
The people MOST aggravated by this were the members of racial and gender minorities who were promoted by this list who forever after that have had to live with the stigma of "Not being the best qualified' but promoted anyway.
What is the lessson I learend from all of this? There can be no justice when race or gender are considered in any way shape or form by the government for promotions whether these be set asides or goals..
I beg you Pardon
March 14, 2008 - 18:19 ET by docbUnder what swamp stump have you been hiding, Geo.Jr. Obama was raised by a single mother most of his life- his grandparents were not affluent.
He earned his place at both schools and had student loans to prove it. Being an alumna of an Ivy -I can tell you that those are NOT given away..they are earned!
The positions he has been elected to are a result of his character, integrity and personal solutions---NOT HIS MARRIED NAME.
You poor man- such a problem with the truth --just like your candidate- Ms. clinton. Additionaly- your candidate has gone from middle class to trailer trash with her conduct in this campaign.
if I am not mistaken,
March 14, 2008 - 18:52 ET by BDif I am not mistaken, wasn't his dad a havard trained Economic Major, His mother a an anthropologist from Kansas and he attended Punahou?
Sorry, but that does not bespeak of someone from the projects....
that being the case, that
March 14, 2008 - 20:29 ET by red_dragon311that being the case, that Barak H-word Obmam overcame adversity and with his single mother living in the streets became the first Black President........isn't everthing his preacher says ....not true then?
I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist
goldbar, well, you tell us.
March 14, 2008 - 13:49 ET by R D HelmThis was the school Obama attended in Hawaii. Doesn't exactly strike me as a haven for the impoverished.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
So you don't want your
March 14, 2008 - 14:08 ET by goldbarSo you don't want your children to have the best education possible? My kids go to private school because it offers a better education than public school. We aren't rich. Our priorities are a bit different where our children are involved. When Obama went to Punahou he lived in an apartment with his grandparents.
golbar,
March 14, 2008 - 14:44 ET by R D HelmI'm glad to hear that you don't send your children to government school, as that would be akin to child abuse.
I was simply contradicting the assertion of many, that Barack Obama was born, as Steve Martin would say, "a poor black child."
Not even close.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
goldbar, Punahou is the MOST expensive school in Hawaii
March 14, 2008 - 14:48 ET by upcountrywater"Tuition for the 2007-2008 school year for Grades K-12 is $15,725.
Lunches and snacks are not covered by tuition."
So you like the idea of school vouchers?
HUMMMM?
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