A voguish Dem theme is that America's reputation in the world has been eroded and that the next Dem president will restore it. Hillary Clinton has gone so far as to propose appointing Bill as a "roving" [I'll say] ambassador for such purposes. We can safely ignore such fluff as so much presidential-season silliness. A great nation's reputation is forged not by its goodwill ambassadors, but by its actions.
But while the bad-mouthing of America might be written off as so much election-year posturing, there is in fact an important, ironic lesson to be drawn, and it was on display during today's "Morning Joe." For her "must-read" of the morning, Mika Brzezinski chose a USA Today column by Alan M. Webber, "From afar, America resembles a 2nd-rate power", and paraphrased this paragraph from it:
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The Europeans who come to this conference are worldly people who track what's happening globally with an impartial eye. To them, China's growth and dynamism is the most compelling story of the 21st century. "Dynamism" was the sort of word people once used when talking about the United States. Now, they watch us like rubberneckers driving past a car wreck. "You used to be such a great country," they say. "Not even a country. What happened to the great idea that once defined America?
Let's leave aside Webber's risible notion of "impartial" Europeans and focus on his central point: China is where the economic action is, and America has lost its defining "great idea."
On the one hand, Joe Scarborough rightly reacted with scorn.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: I'm just sitting here thinking "if only we could be as open and dynamic as China."
MIKA BRZEZINKSI: You know what, that arrogance is not going to help. We really have to -- I think there is an arrogance that --
SCARBOROUGH: All I am saying is that I hope one day I can wake up and the idea that was once America --
BRZEZINKSI [warning tone in voice]: I would be very careful --
SCARBOROUGH [continuing]: could be replaced with the idea that is China.
Joe was presumably alluding to the repressive regime that rules China, and making the point that he would never trade America's freedoms for any current Chinese economic advantage.
But for present purposes, let's give Mika and Webber their due, accept that there is something to what they're saying . . . and consider the causes and implications.
Thus, for example, the IMF has just raised to a booming 11.5% its forecast for the growth of the Chinese economy in the coming year. In contrast, the U.S. economy is muddling along at a modest 3%-or-so rate.
What explains the gaping difference? The irony is that whereas the Chinese enjoy virtually no political freedom, economically the country is in a period of "cowboy capitalism" that might have been the envy of our great 19th-century entrepreneurs. You might say that China is leaping ahead because, at least when it comes to their economy, they adopted our "great idea."
To be sure, there is rampant corruption in China, and no doubt considerable government meddling that interferes with pure market forces. But on the other hand, there capitalist energy is largely unbridled. Whereas Chinese entrepreneurs are largely free [subject, presumably, to greasing some government palms] to pursue their market dreams, in America Henry Waxman is the face of governmental attitudes toward business, and NIMBYism is so rampant and influential as to have prevented the construction of any new oil refineries in the country for the last decade.
Dems like Mika are complaining of the results of the very policies that they have enacted, the very burdens on our economy to which they now propose to add with their proposals for "free" health care and a laundry list of other expensive goodies. The "great idea" to which Webber referred and which Brzezinski spoke of wistfully was that of self-reliance, rugged individualism and free-market capitalism. I'm nostalgic for it too. If only the ears of Mika, Webber & Co. could hear the words of their mouth.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.















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Growth in China
October 18, 2007 - 07:41 ET by allanfGrowth in China is a little bit like growth in Joe Scarboroughs ratings. One hundred precent growth is easy, when you start from nothing.
China was a basket case under communism.
how sad they can't come up
October 18, 2007 - 13:00 ET by candancehow sad they can't come up with original programming to the point they're holding up newspapers and reading the articles verbatim. That's high school stuff.
PS: Mika, get a clue! Since the dawning of the USA, we have never had a spotless reputation in the world. Canada hated us from the get-go. We got in bed with Napoleon to pull off the Lousiana Purchase. The Irish government refused American support to break from the British because we still had slavery, thus our hands were bloody. And that great DNC leader FDR allied himself with Stalin to the point of calling him Uncle Joe.
America has always had a "tarnished" reputation in the world and liberal haters in Europe have always said we were evil. This is nothing but liberal spin to reinvent history.
card holding member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
"Stop trying to burst my
October 18, 2007 - 13:04 ET by dscott"Stop trying to burst my bubble, I'll believe what I want to and you can't convince me otherwise, lalala, I can't hear you, lalalala" Mika
<sarcasm>
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity
i thought a second rate
October 18, 2007 - 15:43 ET by TruthMongeri thought a second rate america was a good thing with these libs...? hmmm
so can china's billions start going to the UN and massive third-world aid now - share the US load maybe...?
And can we ask china to police the world now with 11 of their own aircraft carrier groups - oh yes, they still have the first under construction - let's give them a few decades
once china starts throwing their military weight around halfway through the 21st century - America just might start looking first rate again to the rest of the "America hating" world - like the good old 1940's
So are we going to bail the world out yet again ya think? I don't know if I feel like financing it anymore myself - it's been kind of a thankless job in my view
any one else have any thoughts on this?
A service of the new NB respect police
French
October 18, 2007 - 07:52 ET by taterMika also saying the French don't like America...after they elected a pro-American leader. Uggh what kind of logic do they use. By the way, Bubbles...how many of the French people have you talked to? 1, 2...ooh maybe 10. I imagine you've talked to as many French people as I have.
Liberal Validation
October 18, 2007 - 07:55 ET by allanfWhy do liberals need the validation of other people hating America?
Mika
October 18, 2007 - 15:31 ET by merlin61Mika, Mika, don't like us? Go to China and
live under their filthy conditions, sweat shops,
lead based articles that are coming to this country
endangering our children, and all of their
un-freedom, including freedom of religion. Go
there Mika, I'm begging you. You'll be begging
to come back to hateful America.
If these two morons like
October 18, 2007 - 08:15 ET by Senior ChiefIf these two morons like China that much, I will buy both their 1-way airfares and please don't let them come back. Look, I'm an immigrant from the SE Asia region, I've been to China a few times, my brother-in-law is a Chinese, and the conclusion: there's no place like America...
These leftoids just want to shock you- not knowing that their audience are probably smarter than them- and not even have the decency to study or research the subject they're trying to convey. Reading a lefty newspaper and run their bogus broadcasting nuance for the day, don't mean s**t. I thought these people are intelligent for having a microphone in the airwaves?
Bubbles?
October 18, 2007 - 08:20 ET by Vivian LeeMark,
No Bubbles reference today? I bet if you checked the labels on those "Bubbles Bottles", they are probably made in China. [I won't say anything about the directions on those bottles and bubbles.]
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WTF!?
October 18, 2007 - 08:37 ET by inquiringmind" if only we could be as open and dynamic as China" WTF!?!?
inquiringmind, Scarborough was laughing at Bubbles
October 18, 2007 - 08:53 ET by RJHe was being sarcastic.
That caused Mika to let out several of her Drama Queen sighs, as she is prone to do whenever anyone challenges her kool-aid liberalism.
Later, seemingly refering to that exchange, Bubbles said "I'm going to have to medicate more if I'm going to continue doing this show."
Would that be Xanax or
October 18, 2007 - 10:22 ET by dscottWould that be Xanax or Valium with a wine chaser??? <sarcasm> Apparently bubbles is the victim of having to work for a living, and can't find a job elsewhere other than being Joe's sidekick, thus she is trapped. I feel you pain bubbles, NOT!
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity
'Open and Dynamic' China
October 18, 2007 - 09:24 ET by Six String SpiffAnybody remember the poor woman protesting whilst the Chinese DICTATOR was at the Whitehouse? Screaming for her fellow citizens to be spared from MURDER?
No. Why bother with that when you can use China to bash the USA.
PS. Mika... You are UGLY. Gotta chisel off some of that makeup "Things that make you go.. buhuhuh" - Ron White
The American Revolution Continued
Mika the moron
October 18, 2007 - 09:30 ET by Sergeant ROCKHow 'bout asking Mika this question: How many anti-war protesters were run over by tanks here in the U.S.?
Be more like China? What a complete moron!
Cloistered MSM
October 18, 2007 - 08:55 ET by JayTeeThese guys are Cloistered in their own MSM world, and I imagine that IF you show up to work like these guys do, that withiin their MSM workplace, American does look Bad.
They need to send more of these taking heads to NASCAR races, or maybe take a trip to the Border, or get out of DC for a week.
Nancy and Harry are NOT America.......and neither is MSM news rooms. Broaden your horizons, dudes.
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
Jay Tee -
October 18, 2007 - 09:54 ET by drillanwrYou are spot-damn-on ...
The neoPRAVDA media and the DC mannequins know absolutely nothing about 80 - 90 % of America ... REAL America. They set the bar at east coast / west coast standards, and the rest of the country is not just "fly-over", but expendable (why do you think MOST of the missile silos were built there? ... Oh, sure ... loads of open land ... But the Soviets had those areas on the top of the get first list in order to hit the east/west coasts unimpeded ... Farmer Bob and his wife, kids, neighbors and all their stupid cows and chickens were expendable ... toast ...)
Mika's daddy being a career military wonk officer, she never actually stooped to interact with the other little kids whose daddies worked at the steel mill or delivered milk door to door or picked up her family's rotting garbage ... No, I imagine little Mika was tucked away at private, or upper-upper class schools (around the world, where ever daddy was stationed) so she wouldn't have to even inhale the stench of the lower class bobbies ... Well, maybe the house keeper brought her kids to the house periodically and Mika begrudgingly passed on hand-me-downs to them ...
Do I sound bitter?
No, not bitter. Just really fed-up with these liberal elitists smugly looking down their noses at the bulk of the folks in this country while bashing this country with Communist strangle-holds like China and Cuba. Amid all their self-importance and over-priced educations, they haven't a clue.
Drillanwr Thanks, I travel a lot...have for yrs.
October 18, 2007 - 12:06 ET by JayTeeThanks for 2nd ing the emotion...I know the diffo from Sea to shining Sea, and the East Coast/West Coast people can learn a lot from the Mid America and Sotherners....one lesson is how to "Act Friendly in Public" .
All one has to do in a new area, is to watch how people Drive around......Attitudes are readily apparent and obvious.
Where I come from, two cars passing on a Two lane, you get a raised hand wave over the steering wheel.....Find that on the East Coast......I'm still looking....
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
"Road Rage" was invented on
October 18, 2007 - 12:13 ET by drillanwr"Road Rage" was invented on the east and west coasts ...
Midwest
October 18, 2007 - 12:20 ET by taterI've lived in the Midwest my entire life...while there is some crazies here, most of the time people are friendly, smile, and appear to have a good time.
I was introduced to how out in left field the left and right coasts are by the internet.
How ironic is it that Mika
October 18, 2007 - 09:08 ET by Free ThinkerHow ironic is it that Mika and Joe could not do their show in China. I also love being called arrogant for recognizing the fact that America is the greatest country on the planet. It kills me when someone is offended or feels guilt for being an American. There are plenty of people in this world that would give all they have for that chance.
A COUPLE THINGS...
October 18, 2007 - 09:10 ET by danybhoyFirst thing, Mika, you & the Morning Schmo might want to get rid of the 2 dozen newspapers you have covering your desk like the bottom of a birdcage...You might want to enter the 21st century & just get your stories online, unless you like your hands getting inked up.
The USA is not even close to a 2nd rate power, & the only reason we might fall into that catagory in the future is the lack of political support of our military when we do fight. We have'nt fought to win since WW2, there is no country we can't defeat if we really wanted to. There are some in America who believe that we need to like the rest of the world & be liked by the rest of the world. The fact that we have been neither of those things for the 231 years of since our founding is EXACTLY WHY we are the greatest nation the world has ever known.
Most of our families came here for a better life from all of those places that many on the left would like us to be more like, I have 5 words for those people...DON'T RUIN IT FOR EVERYONE.
"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise" Mark Levin
Anyone who wishes we should
October 18, 2007 - 09:22 ET by bws53Anyone who wishes we should be more like China should follow these steps:
1. Move to China.
2. Criticize the government in speech, print, or peaceful assembly.
3. Maybe you'll get lucky and only have to share a 5x5 cell with only five other people who tried to express freedom of speech.
How's that for dynamic?
Open Note to the Morning Joke
October 18, 2007 - 09:42 ET by FastEdHave either of you considered - Will either of you complain about the outrageous "pay" being made by the chicom CEO's?
How about the low "pay" by the chicom workers?
Will there be ANY consideration of environmental effects of this rapid, unchecked industrial growth?
Have you considered what this great "growth" is doing to the worldwide price of oil?
Can is growth be sustained, and if not, who will be blamed - the US?
Are the chicoms held to the same standards and workrules that American workers need to meet?
Do the chicoms receive the BEST healthcare in the world, and if they do, what medical advances and breaktroughs have they made?
Can you list the major chicom advances that have help everyone worldwide? (not including noodles and gunpowder)
What great inventors, entrapreneurs have the chicoms given to the world in the past 100 years?
I don't expect any answer from this cowardly bunch, as these and other questions (see original blog post) were and have been asked by others - and yet these so called "reporters" are tripping over themselves in American self-hate.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Mika - if you were a
October 18, 2007 - 09:45 ET by PeskyDaneMika - if you were a citizen of the "People's Republic," you might very well simply be the discarded mistress of a mid to high level bureaucrat or aide. The only thing you would have to show for it at this point would be an old bicycle (given to you when you were much younger), and some extra square footage of living space. All your efforts at this point in time would be spent staying under the radar, hoping that no one would notice that your apartment seems awfully big for a retired secretary.
Learning about diplomacy
October 18, 2007 - 09:51 ET by KC MulvilleThe irrelevance of our "reputation" with other nations was never more exposed than before the start of the war against Iraq. Enter the Professor’s Wayback machine, and place yourself in the period just before we went to war. Remember what happened.
Yet, except for the UK, Australia, and a relatively few others, countries refused to join the effort against Saddam. Why not? Did they stop admiring us? No. They all clearly calculated that if the Americans would do it by themselves anyway, why contribute when we can reap the benefits for free? In that case, our reputation didn’t help us, and Iraq’s didn’t hurt them. Reputation is irrelevant.
I’ve said it elsewhere – diplomacy isn’t about becoming warm and friendly. Diplomacy is about negotiating. Diplomacy is about how to manage mutual interests. Warm and friendly is a bonus, but it isn’t the real essence of diplomacy. We should never join with some other country unless it advances our interests, and we should never ask another country to join us unless it’s in their interest.
The Golden Dragon
October 18, 2007 - 09:53 ET by third eyeSo wait, this is the same China that puts all that tasty lead paint into toys for American children? The same China that kills American pets with toxic dogfood? The same China that despises the Dali Lama for desiring a free and independent Tibet?
Well my friend, I guess we can agree that only in America could one allow such a thick cloud of stupidity, to blind them from the truth.
To them, China's growth and
October 18, 2007 - 10:08 ET by drillanwrTo them, China's growth and dynamism is the most compelling story of the 21st century. "Dynamism" was the sort of word people once used when talking about the United States. Now, they watch us like rubberneckers driving past a car wreck. "You used to be such a great country," they say. "Not even a country. What happened to the great idea that once defined America?
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What happened?
1) socialism was allowed to seep in and breed
2) illegal aliens were allowed to seep in and breed
3) political correctness and "diversity" were allowed to seep in and breed
4) over-bearing enviromental and special interest groups with NO authority or jurisdiction were allowed to seep in and breed
5) extremely stupid and ignorant people (who have absolutely NO intention, or knowledge, of following the Constitution, but twisting and changing it) have run for elected office(s) and were allowed to seep in and breed in our government
6) the conniving, lying, deceitful, agenda-driven MSM was allowed to seep in and breed in the minds and lives of the masses of this country who were too lazy and complacent to NOT have been led around by the collective noses
What happened?
October 18, 2007 - 10:22 ET by DontFeedTheTrolls"You used to be such a great country," they say. "Not even a country.
What happened to the great idea that once defined America?
What happened was lawmakers creating a welfare mentality, lawmakers refusing to control our borders, lawmakers giving lawyers and PAC's free rein in decimating business and medical professionals. I could go on, but you get the picture, big government happened.
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DFTT -
October 18, 2007 - 10:38 ET by drillanwrGreat minds (Re: my post above yours)
You mean the "cut back"
October 18, 2007 - 11:03 ET by buddycYou mean the "cut back" "learn to live with less" views of the Carter administration? Carter almost destroyed this country. Reagan saved it but the media has done its best to take us back to the bankrupt policies of Carter.
There's an old saying, "The
October 18, 2007 - 11:49 ET by drillanwrThere's an old saying, "The Russians love their misery" ... That was never more true than during the Soviet / Communist years ... THIS explains why the neoSoviets/neoCommunists of today (especially in this country) seek to redistribute the wealth, if you will, rule your lives from cradle to grave (and beyond), and make everyone equally miserable ...
Cuba is better than China and they are both better than the U.S.
October 18, 2007 - 10:35 ET by Dee Bunkin the liberal mind. Capitalism without political freedom is still better and Capitalism with it. Of course their favorites are where neither exist. Their ordering would be Venezuela at the top then Cuba, China, and Iran with the U.S. at the bottom.
Mika and todays liberals
October 18, 2007 - 11:01 ET by buddycMika and todays liberals have the same bankrupt views that Carter and her father had. They actually think Carter was a good president and her father did a good job as national security advisor.
The idea of Bill Clinton as a "roving ambassador" to improve our image is the most pathetic thing I have ever heard. They are so silly as to believe our problems can be solved by sending a disbared, sexual pervert, liar and rapist as our representative. The muslims will love him. He is such an upright straightforward honest man with such integrity. He represents all they hate about our culture.
Classic.
Why don't we bring Mia's father out of storage and let him screw up some other part of the world like he did the middle east.
This country has serious problems but the failed policies of the Carter administration and the do nothing but sweep them under the rug approach of the Clintons will not solve them.
I am really surprised that
October 18, 2007 - 11:28 ET by dscottI am really surprised that Mika even wishes we were like China, if you think conservatives here are prudish, the Chinese on moral values make us conservatives look like liberals for being tolerant of other lifestyles. I mean while we don't approve of the things liberals advocate, we tolerate them to the extent that it isn't shoved down our throats. To the Chinese we are an immoral society (which I tend to agree). The Chinese choose the economy over the environment as a matter of policy, just as they chose fuel efficiency over air pollution, here in the US it's mostly the other way around.
I guess that's one thing you can always count on liberal assertions, no relation to reality and certainly no knowledge of the facts. Sometimes one has to wonder if people like Mika are intentionally obtuse.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity
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October 18, 2007 - 11:34 ET by dahliatraversBe more like China? The place that has no democracy, no due process and freedom of speech is laughed at? Where they put you in jail without a trial (or after a kangaroo court) and do really bad things to you there? That's what we're supposed to emulate?
No, thanks. Some of us prefer the values embodied in the American Constitution.
China's threats to the U.S. today
October 18, 2007 - 13:36 ET by ThisnThat"The United States has "gravely undermined" relations with China by giving the Dalai Lama an award, the Chinese government said Thursday". A little history -- Tibet was invaded by China in 1953; Dalai Lama is part of the movement to free Tibet; and China has little to no standing among nations in its claim that Tibet is part of China.
And this (China) is the country we aspire to be like? Free people don't think so, and this Mika person needs to be "Shanghaied" to her favorte nation, and quit providing these false comparisons.
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That was then and this is
October 18, 2007 - 14:07 ET by dscottThat was then and this is now - William Jefferson Clinton
<sarcasm>
Picked up Tibet, got back Hong Kong, lost Taiwan, such is the history of the world. Tibet will never be a sovereign country unless China decides to let it go because it is a continual cost center or drain on the rest of the country, even pride has its limits. Taiwan will never rejoin with China unless they decide that reunification is in their best self interest.
Any attempt to use force in either circumstance will be so costly in terms of life and property that it is not in the cards, if it were it would have been done long ago, leaving them wait each other out to see who blinks first, no one has blinked for 50+ years, it ain't going to happen. Both the Dali Lama and the Chinese need to get over it and move on.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity
Mika, Please move that
October 18, 2007 - 12:15 ET by drillanwrMika, Please move that newspaper a bit more to your right, babe ...
No sense of history
October 18, 2007 - 13:04 ET by Galvanic"Dems like Mika are complaining of the results of the very policies that they have enacted, the very burdens on our economy to which they now propose to add with their proposals for "free" health care and a laundry list of other expensive goodies."
Not only that, but if there was ever a period in America's post-WW2 history that epitomized a lack of dynamism, it was the Carter Administration which her daddy so dutifully served. Double-digit inflation, international prestige crippled, and what Jimmah hiz-seff labeled "a national malaise." Dynamism returned during the Reagan years.
As for the Left's envy of the People Republic of China, isn't it ironic that they say nothing about the dictatorship's heavy-handed squashing of dissenters and opponents, while they cry out against our own Patriot Act as being intrusive and a violation of our civil rights.
It reminds me of one of these demonstations here in Washington DC. I encountered a college-aged young woman who was praising Fidel Castro. When I pointed out that Castro was a dictator who literally executes his political opponents, she pointed out to me that he provides free health care.
Go figger.
So glad I don't have to see
October 18, 2007 - 21:10 ET by Lancasters Saved UsSo glad I don't have to see that in the morning, and can share the entertainment value here with clear thinkers. She must have picked that crazy thought up at some cocktail party with a few angry Frenchmen over the summer. "Mais, what has become of your country?"
She must have admired her new $180 Nike runners and though..."my, those Chinese are innovators. "
Perhaps she should try a google search on the Dalai Lama from Shanghai. IDIOT. As a Canadian, I say thank you USA...you are still the light of Dynamism!!!