Brian De Palma wants to stop the war, and he thinks his new movie about an Iraqi girl's rape can help, regardless of the consequences or the rights and privacy of Iraqis. In a Friday August 31 Reuters article, De Palma asserted “The movie is an attempt to bring the reality of what is happening in Iraq to the American people. Sky News online picked up the thread that he hoped his film "Redacted" will alert people about “these horrible things things that are happening, this horrible war that I am financing as an American citizen.”
De Palma's comments were made Friday, at the Venice Film Festival, after showing the movie that is supposedly based on the rape of a 14-year-old Iraqi girl from Mahmudiya who was then killed and her house set on fire. You know, every day stuff in the military.
“Redacted” is a do-over for De Palma, who made the same movie back in 1989 when it was called “Casualties of War” and starred Michael J. Fox. This is De Palma's second try at the “American military rapes indigenous girl and everyone laughs, but the sensitive guy feels sorry and tells; someone has nightmares, and the military is still bad” storyline. At least it wasn't “The Bonfire of the Vanities 2.”
Reuters noted De Palma's belief that if only people could see the real war photos and hear the real stories that aren't censored by the “corporate establishment,” people would simply turn against the war, thus ending it. No thought to Al Qaeda in Iraq and the insurgents or even Iran—apparently it will all just “stop” (emphasis mine throughout):
The pictures are what will stop the war, and if we can get these pictures in front of a mass audience, and get these stories in front of a mass audience, maybe we'll have some effect.
Reuters laid out a series of statements that showed how stupid and ill-informed he thinks Americans who support the war are by claiming they don't know the “truth” and just need his help to understand:
“It's all out there on the Internet, you can find it if you look for it, but it's not in the major media. The media is now really part of the corporate establishment," he said.
Right, everything on the Internet is true, in fact, there's a Nigerian prince who needs my help right now.
De Palma claimed that the mainstream media are not telling the whole story by withholding graphic images and in the process divulged his storyline isn't as “real” as he claimed:
"When I went out to find the pictures, I said (to the media) give me the pictures you can't publish," he said, adding that because of legal dangers he too had to "edit" the material.
"Everything that is in the movie is based on something I found that actually happened. But once I had put it in the script I would get a note from a lawyer saying you can't use that because it's real and we may get sued," De Palma said.
"So I was forced to fictionalize things that were actually real."
The media ignored this telling statement that he “fictionalized” the “things that were actually real” in a movie that is supposed to be the “reality” of what's going on in Iraq What does that leave?
Also, lawyers tend to worry more about being sued for libel and slander than factual events. They worry about Hollywood movies making claims that are not true. The truth is a defense against lawsuits, but random Internet rantings and the Jesse MacBeths and the Scott Beauchamps of the world make lawyers sweat.
Now De Palma showed that he is an Ugly American who doesn't care about the rights and privacy of people in a foreign country and the law:
The film, shot in Jordan with a little known cast, ends with a series of photographs of Iraqi civilians killed and their faces blacked out for legal reasons.
"I think that's terrible because now we have not even given the dignity of faces to this suffering people," De Palma said.
Because nothing says dignity like a Brian De Palma movie.
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The movie is an attempt to
September 1, 2007 - 20:05 ET by NewsbusterbrownThe movie is an attempt to bring the reality of what is happening in Iraq to the American people.
Since there were a few bad troops during WWII, were they also representative of what was happening in Europe and the Pacific?
I'm pretty sure, had DePalma been asked this question, he would have done a Ralph Kramden "hamana, hamana, hamana" stammer fest.
“The movie is an attempt
September 1, 2007 - 20:16 ET by motherbelt“The movie is an attempt to bring the reality of what is happening in Iraq to the American people[ ]“these horrible things things that are happening, this horrible war that I am financing as an American citizen.”
He makes it sound as if incidents like this are routine and happening every day. It is a slander of the worst kind against 99.9% of our troops who do their duty every day, with dignity, bravery, and honor; in sometimes horrific circumstances. And going above and beyond the call of duty. This marine is also a reality of the war...
I'm sure there are many others like him. But that wouldn't make the reality that de Palma wants to portray.
And I love this:
The pictures are what will stop the war, and if we can get these
pictures in front of a mass audience, and get these stories in front of
a mass audience, maybe we'll have some effect.
You want to have an effect, Mr. de Palma? You think you can do it with pictures? Fine. Why don't you make a movie about the beheading of Daniel Pearl? The video is even "out there on the Internet, you can find it if you look for it." to use your own words.
There are other video beheadings too, I'm sure; al Queda isn't shy about advertizing their violence.
But we mustn't show that, just like we mustn't show the WTC on 9/11....might get people mad again and they might hurt some Muslims' feelings.
This makes me so angry I could just spit nails!!!
NO! Mr. DePalma, THIS IS WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING -
September 1, 2007 - 20:23 ET by drillanwrThis one gets me every time ... Should be noted the child was wounded and killed by a bastard terrorist ... NOT the soldier carrying her.
http://gallery.michaelyon-online.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_10&products_id=14
Mosul
Major Mark Bieger found this little girl after the car bomb that attacked our guys while kids were crowding around. The soldiers here have been angry and sad for two days. They are angry because the terrorists could just as easily have waited a block or two and attacked the patrol away from the kids. Instead, the suicide bomber drove his car and hit the Stryker when about twenty children were jumping up and down and waving at the soldiers. Major Bieger, I had seen him help rescue some of our guys a week earlier during another big attack, took some of our soldiers and rushed this little girl to our hospital. He wanted her to have American surgeons and not to go to the Iraqi hospital. She didn’t make it. I snapped this picture when Major Bieger ran to take her away. He kept stopping to talk with her and hug her. ... Michael Yon
The F - ing MSM and Hollywood refuse to cover anything like this.
Correction to my
September 1, 2007 - 20:28 ET by motherbeltCorrection to my post....Gebhart is in the Air Force, not the Marines.
No problem
September 1, 2007 - 21:50 ET by well99It is the thought that counts.Good link.
Oh, thank you, thank you,
September 1, 2007 - 20:20 ET by Felicity RandOh, thank you, thank you, you wise DePalma for trying to enlighten us ignorant masses.
You have no real concern for suffering people. (Did we hear from you when Saddam was torturing the Iraqis?) You just want to believe that your country is an evil imperialist, that soldiers are by nature rapists and thugs. What self-hatred resides in your heart that you must project it onto this great country?
I know this is just a stupid stupid movie, but I'm steaming!
Yunz Guys -
September 1, 2007 - 20:28 ET by drillanwrI have a feeling this is going to backfire big time on DePalma and Robbins and Co. No one in their right mind in this country will believe one dastardly and horrific incident committed by a handful of our troops is reflective of the whole. Already, there are those who are gathering in contest of the DePalmas and Robbins.
Pat Dollard makes this statement on his site:
"No, I haven’t been ignoring the whole Brian DePalma thing, it’s just that what he has done is so odious and cowardly, that I’ve been talking to other media and military “powers that be” about a response broader than one internet post by myself. And when I do write a piece, it will be in tandem with a larger campaign, and I want it to be as thoughtful and incisive as possible, not an immediate knee jerk reaction ... " Pat Dollard
http://patdollard.com/2007/09/01/the-slanders-of-tim-robbins-and-brian-depalma/
De Palma the butcher
September 1, 2007 - 20:32 ET by Lame CherryIt is interesting the penance the unseen Pope of Hollywood doles out to Hollywood guilt ridden big shot movie types.
Spielberg makes fortunes and the Pope of Hollywood says, Go bash the Germans around and then make Private Ryan where you have a Nazi slowing sinking a knife into an American GI as his coward buddy watches and then the coward later murders the German in real "American GI" teleplay.
Coppola does the screenplay for American hero Patton, but the Pople of Hollywood says NAUGHTY NAUGHTY you must make Godfather movies showing all American Italians are crooks.
De Palma gets on his knees and begs forgiveness for all his success in pounding Christians in Carrie as kooks and that bit of Americana known as Scarface which is the epitome of Cuban Republicans...and the Pope of Hollywood says, "Brian you have not yet done a film for selling your soul for fame and fortune bashing Americans GI's in Iraq".
De Palma as penance goes out and picks on the rape of an Iraqi girl..........which of course will inflame more terrorists murdering more Americans. Penance done.
A more interesting film would have been about soldiers under extreme pressure in how they act out RARELY in the American military. Compare that to the population of East Germany in year 1946 amounted to bastardized children of rape from the invading Soviet military.
"Verbessern sie, um einen Russen auf ihnen als ein leerer bauch zu
haben", better to have a Russian on you than an empty belly the raped German women were told.
No movies on that though from De Pamla.
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De Palma Anti War?....Or Just Anti Bush????
September 1, 2007 - 21:02 ET by neighbDon't worry folks....when Hillary (God help us all) becomes CIC and a dirty bomb goes off in Times Square, killing....oh, let's say a "Tim Robbinsesque 400,000 Americans, De Palma will think that her decision to nuke Baghdad and Tehran is the best idea since crack cocaine.
neighb
neighb, I think you're on to
September 2, 2007 - 01:37 ET by winston smithneighb, I think you're on to something. I've been saying something like this for a while now. All this media/celebrity/Democrat hostility about the war will practically evaporate overnight if Rodham gets in (perish the thought). Dems want a shot at being seen as 'strong on defense', especially if they can do it with "a woman" at the helm. They have too much to lose by not pursuing this strategy, in light of the fact that the toughest days of the war are probably behind us. With the assistance of their partners in crime, the MSM, they will attempt to hoodwink the public into believeing that Democrats are responsible for any successes in Iraq. All the years of the never-ending anti-war claptrap will long be forgotten. Any Democrat talk of withdrawing from Iraq is pure hogwash. Dems want to win in Iraq ---- provided that they can take all the credit.
Brian De Palma
September 1, 2007 - 21:16 ET by shawn228I honestly have mixed feelings about this. The rape in Mahmudiya really happened. They gang raped a 14 yr old girl and forced her family to watch and after they were done, they killed her family execution style.
Oscar Del Palma is talking about this one isolated incident and I do not believe he is implying that all the troops are evil. At the same time I concede that the images that are projected in this film will paint the USA and its military in a bad light.
shawn -
September 1, 2007 - 21:32 ET by drillanwrOscar Del Palma is talking about this one isolated incident and I do not believe he is implying that all the troops are evil.
Then, exactly what is implied in his statement?
“The movie is an attempt to bring the reality of what is happening in Iraq to the American people."
This was a monsterous, but, isolated incident ... Our troops ARE NOT represented by this handful of thugs. DePalma's above sentence implies the contrary.
Reread the entire DePalma interview/statement. The man was damn eager for a story like this horrific one ... No one is disputing the rape/murders ... It is DePalma who seems grateful for such a great story to bring to the movie theaters to show just how wrong this war is. I'd say there is no balance in his thoughts ... but the word balance is completely alien to DePalma and his Hollyhoodwink ilk.
If this event occurred,
September 1, 2007 - 21:33 ET by balboaIf this event occurred, then it is the reality of what is happening, isn't it?
What is
September 1, 2007 - 21:40 ET by drillanwrWhat is happening?
Rape and murder by our troops is really what is happening in Iraq? Show me the deluge of cases ...
bal - that's some serious hair-splitting you're trying to pull off there in defending DePalma. Taken as is, the movie is one thing ... It's DePalma's statements in promoting it that are what is being blasted here.
I didn't say "deluge." If
September 1, 2007 - 21:43 ET by balboaI didn't say "deluge." If it happened, then doing a movie about it is showing part of the reality of war.
Boa
September 1, 2007 - 21:50 ET by botgthen a movie about Jeffrey Dahmer would be a portrayal of how horrible peace is?
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No, but it shows you the
September 1, 2007 - 22:24 ET by balboaNo, but it shows you the frailty of the human mind, the effect life can have on a person (if his indescribable sickness was caused by in any way by his environment).
so by Balboa's logic
September 1, 2007 - 23:34 ET by botgthe Haditha incident is neither a result of the war (it's all indescribable sickness)
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One small chapter of a war
September 1, 2007 - 21:50 ET by drillanwrOne small chapter of a war ... The statement "What is really happening ..." is the problem. It is a general statement that damns the entire population of our men and women serving over there. I personally know several Marines and a few G.I.s and not-a-one of them or anyone serving beside them has ever done anything remotely close to what this story is about. And they all have done multiple tours.
I'm sorry, but you are trying to say this director is completely innocent in his pre-movie rhetoric ... and he is not. He is not being misunderstood or misquoted. He is making statements that suggest criminality is not only the norm over there with our troops, but that it is somehow being covered-up? "What is really happening ..."
Balboa, when someone says
September 1, 2007 - 23:28 ET by motherbeltBalboa, when someone says "what is happening", that means it IS occurring. Currently. Presently. As in "what is going on." When you say something is happening or going on, that means now. Or do we have to discuss what the meaning of "is" is?
de Palma could have said: it's an incident that happened. That would be the truth. But he chooses to distort it into "what is happening"...implying that this is not an unusual occurrence. That is why he has angered so many here, and probably elsewhere as well. By his own words, he shows that he wishes to paint the military with a broad brush.
drillanwr
September 1, 2007 - 21:55 ET by shawn228The movie is an attempt to bring the reality of what is happening in Iraq to the American people."
Is there anything wrong with that? We are enjoying our Freedom while our Brave troops fight for our lives
Things are very difficult for our troops and they must miss their families horribly. However they are well fed every day and have access to shower facilities
Can you imagine if life in the US was the way it was in Iraq? Every time you want to go root for your favorite college or NFL team, you fear the chances of a bomb going off, How about being shot at while going to Safeway? Oh and Safeway hardly has any food. Of when you drop your children off to school, you know it could be the last time you see them because you have to worry about a suicide bomber detonating.
In no way am i saying or suggestion it is the fault of the US and things are pretty damn tough for the Iraqi's at the moment. Is there any wrong about showing how life is hard for them?
Shawn, Why don't you go
September 1, 2007 - 21:57 ET by BlondeShawn,
Why don't you go read this series of articles if you want to know what's really happening in Iraq? I'd also recommend Pat Dollard & Michael Totten's sites, as well as Blackfive.
Getting information about what's "happening in Iraq" from movies and the drive by media is lazy. Try reading some of the milblogs. Or the link I've posted above...Michael Yon is an independent blogger paying his own way to be embedded over there, and he tells it like he sees it, without an agenda.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
blonde
September 1, 2007 - 22:22 ET by shawn228Thx for recomedations. I'm sure they are fine reads, but i'm sure they portray the success in iraq in a good light. As bias as the media is, I really do not think the homeless people or the bombings and deaths and Childrens schools getting blown are made up.
Shawn, Well you
September 1, 2007 - 22:28 ET by BlondeShawn,
Well you won't know unless you read them, will you?
I told you, Mike Yon is an independent. He, and Pat Dollard & Mike Totten pay their own way to be imbedded in Iraq. They take donations from their on-line readers. It's their trademarks to report the facts as they see them.
If you refuse to do a little independent research....fine, stay ignorant. It just makes you look childish for incessantly regurgitating what you hear in the drive-by media.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
blonde
September 1, 2007 - 22:34 ET by shawn228you know I aways value your opinion, and your claim I am ignorant and lack the ablility to discuss a topic because I have not read the book is......k' know.:-)
I see with my eyes what is going on for them right now. Let me ask you this question and please answer it honestly. The US was under bad ditatorship. The leader was taken out. Is life really better for them in their eyes? What if the Christians on this site could not worship in the churches they want to go to because of fear of it being bombed.
Shawn, Your refusal
September 1, 2007 - 22:42 ET by BlondeShawn,
Your refusal to even look at the links (they're not books) is intellectually lazy. Comment away, but we'll all know you're not serious.
I'm asking you to open your eyes to other sources of information than the MsM.
BTW, I think you meant Iraq and not the U.S (no matter, your intent was clear). Also, we're not the ones who are bombing "churches" over there. It's the insurgents who are bombing the mosques. If you'd do a little more independent reading, you might know that.
I'm through with this conversation.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
blonde
September 1, 2007 - 22:54 ET by shawn228There is no refusal on my part to check out what you recommended. The thing is it is 7:50 at night and the libraries and books stores are not open.. .....Well they might be, but I don't feel like going right this minute. Since you are though with this conversation,....sigh. I'm sorry for whatever I did to make you feel this way:)
S, It's a website! Do
September 1, 2007 - 22:57 ET by BlondeS,
It's a website!
Do me a favor, do some reading on any of the four I recommended. You don't have to do it right this second, but do it.
Then we'll discuss.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I will click onto it now. My
September 1, 2007 - 23:00 ET by shawn228I will click onto it now. My liberal reading comprehension thing y'know, and while I'm checking that out, I would like an answer if we had to deal with what what the Iraqis have, which we think the leader removed was worth it?
Blonde, he's not going to
September 1, 2007 - 23:33 ET by motherbeltBlonde, he's not going to look, because being military, they are not the bloggers he trusts. But he believes the drive-by-media. Like they don't have an agenda.
It's like liberals who won't accept proof that is offered from any "right-wing" site. They will only believe proof that they are wrong if it comes from one of their "trusted" liberal sources.
And what is the likelihood of that?
mother
September 1, 2007 - 23:37 ET by botgif Shawn said he will look at the site i believe he will.
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My goof if I jumped the
September 1, 2007 - 23:44 ET by motherbeltMy goof if I jumped the gun. I don't recall seeing that post of his. I will take his word for it, even if he had to be dragged there by Blonde.
mb, That's why I'm so
September 1, 2007 - 23:39 ET by Blondemb,
That's why I'm so frustrated. Dollard, Yon, & Totten aren't military...they're independent bloggers, paying their own way in Iraq to imbed w/the military and give independent assessments of the situation as they see it. The Blackfive site I put up (the link is in my profile) is a milblog...with a wide variety of posters...and also links to bloggers who are in the military.
These 4 sites provide a wealth of information on the situation as it is, not through the filter of the drive-by media.
I just wish people would do a little research, and read & evaluate for themselves.
I think Shawn will probably check them out & get back to me. But the jury's still out.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
blonde
September 1, 2007 - 23:47 ET by shawn228Ok, I am back. I answered a question to someone else post and I have fished reading your links. They were very informative and thank you for sharing with me. I have said in the past and have never changed my stance, I believe the surge is working and things look bright. All I am trying to ask you is how would you feel if you are right in the middle of war zone.
Okay, Shawn, Since you
September 1, 2007 - 23:56 ET by BlondeOkay, Shawn,
Since you read that...I'll reply to your question.
The Iraqis are better off now than before...they don't have their own government preying on them as they did under Saddam. There were hundreds of thousands of bodies found in Iraq. Not to mention Saddam gassing the Kurds.
Agreed, the random acts of violence are horrible. But they are on the decline as we continue to widen the secure areas in Iraq. That is the point of the "Ghosts of Anbar". BTW, I only read the first in the series, I haven't caught up on II & III.
The surge is working. It will be interesting to see what the Congress will have to say about this good news.
I'd suggest you follow up on the other sites I listed, as well. Excellent and informative stuff.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
blonde
September 2, 2007 - 00:07 ET by shawn228I believe my question was how would you feel if you were aan Iraqi with we direct compare it to the United States? Hillary is the CIC, they are making you pay 55 percent on taxes, George Clooney is the Secretary of State. Helen Thomas is the press secretary!!!!!!!
We hate the governmennt a lot. We want to overthrow Hilary but she has all the republicans in a gay tollerene class. Someone takes her out.In return for getting rid a tyrant Liberal .We have to face suicide bombs, hardly any food, children getting blown to bits. Was it worth it?
Shawn, That's alot more
September 2, 2007 - 00:11 ET by BlondeShawn,
That's alot more than your original question, and I'm not playing chase the moving goal posts tonite.
One question, asked and answered. Until you finish your homework.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Dismal vision of losers
September 2, 2007 - 12:07 ET by acumenMost people such as yourself Blonde desire to be winners. For most, caught up in the excitement of succeeding, they want to show other people who have been kicked around their whole lives how to be winners too. They go to these people who have been downtrodden their whole lives and demonstrate that given the opportunity, a positive attitude and hard work is all it takes to become winners just like themselves. They see the glass half full.
Then you have the losers...
The surge is working because the Iraqis like most people of the world want to be winners. The average Iraqi, no matter their level of education, see the positive attitude of those the De Palma's of the world and their SUPPORTERS wish to denigrate. That is why the tribes in Iraq are now not only supporting the US coalition forces in Iraq but emulating their conduct of respect, civility and compassion toward their fellow Iraqis. They see up close and personal what the losers here in America screaming and kicking refuse to see; That America's best and brightest are sincere about helping them achieve a better life. But that is anathema to losers and they have no problem unleashing their own dogs of war to ensure Iraqis remain losers like themselves.
I wish some who comment on NB would spend a few months with the winners in our Armed Forces so they could at least have the opportunity to learn how to be winners too. We can run around all the nuance of the Iraq War all day, week after week. But it all comes down to JUST this - Each one of us, in the absence of exterior influence and prying eyes, secluded in the stark reality of our own concience, should take a deep breath and soberly inquire; Am I a winner or a loser?
That's the last piece of advice I will take the time to offer those who prefer the mire of pessimism. I have grown weary of producing link after link to those who prefer to remain losers and take America, Iraq and the rest of the world down that sorry path to nowhere with them. If they refuse to even believe the majority of Iraqis or the Coalition Forces that have befriended the Iraqis, then they certainly aren't going to believe me.
It breaks my heart that other oppressed men and mostly women/children of the world will have to continue to suffer because of the actions of the small but vocal De Palmas of the world and those that ignorantly enrich them to perpetuate the dismal vision of losers.
and Shawn
September 2, 2007 - 00:00 ET by botgwho is killing the civilians?
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botg
September 2, 2007 - 00:11 ET by shawn228I have acknowledged more than enough times on this board it is the terrorist doing the bombings, not the US trooops, but the bombings would not be happenning if we did not invade right?
first shawn
September 2, 2007 - 00:25 ET by botgwe need to correctly define the pre-war conditions.
perhaps a forum i've not the energy tonight, but you may start here with some of the links Free has provided which describe Sadaam's Iraq. How would you feel being a Kurd? How would you feel being a Sunni?
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botg
September 2, 2007 - 00:28 ET by shawn228I fear that I think I have upset people tonight. I support out troops 100 percent. And I will leave it it that. I will be updating my movie page tonight if you are interested. You partly helped come up with that idea. Do you remember when you used the Johnnie Ringo on me?
i still say
September 2, 2007 - 00:30 ET by botghillary's no daisy, no daisy at all.
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movie thread
September 2, 2007 - 00:45 ET by shawn228If you got any more links to cool scenes, add them to my blog. What do think about the scenes on there so far?
I agree mb.
September 1, 2007 - 23:39 ET by bigtimerI agree mb.
what a shocker,
September 1, 2007 - 23:49 ET by shawn228Gasp, you bt?. take a different point of view than me? Gosh darn it, how often does that happen:)
LOL shawn... I'm watching
September 1, 2007 - 23:54 ET by bigtimerLOL shawn...
I'm watching One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest after more than twenty years...
'nuff said.
Besides that I know ya well.
You're good.
Hope all are having a happy week-end.
bigtimer
September 1, 2007 - 23:58 ET by shawn228lol.....that is the nicest thing you ever said to me. You have a great weakend as well. Did not mean to zing you in post to mb, but tends to press my buttons.
I agree with mb's
September 2, 2007 - 00:07 ET by bigtimerI agree with mb's sentiments.
Like I said.
Btw...I can handle zings.
LMAO!
bigtimer...is Cuckoo's Nest
September 2, 2007 - 00:38 ET by Jerbigtimer...is Cuckoo's Nest showing right now? I've been thinking about that movie lately, especially when Nicholson finally tries to lift and move that huge heavy object, and failing said something like "at least I tried dammit, at least I tried."
Jer
Mancini's an idiot
September 2, 2007 - 00:46 ET by botgMancini's an idiot
Look at what happiness he
September 2, 2007 - 00:47 ET by bigtimerLook at what happiness he brought to those guys after that Jer...
Candy was fun on the bus before the Charter Trip... and after...lol.
motherbelt
September 1, 2007 - 23:56 ET by shawn228Just out of curiosity, why does it seem that so many people like your and KathleenIrish do not think I will respond to a question. When it comes bigtimer, its painfully obvious, but why you? Do I usually duck questions.
You talk about Saddams rape rooms. Well lets talk about logistics and simple math okay? For every suicide bomber, Sadamm would have to rape about 320 women a month to be close to what is happenning now.
Nobody said it was a
September 1, 2007 - 22:00 ET by drillanwrNobody said it was a cake-walk over there for the Iraqis or our troops.
However, statements (aside from the movies) implying our troops routinely do these things is an abomination.
The reality DePalma is talking about is NOT the words or stories our troops have to tell. It is this one story about a rape and slaughter by a handful of criminals in US military clothing. ONE STORY! DePalma is weighing the conduct and actions of our entire deployed military on one story.
And for the record ... I doubt battle stress and fatigue played a large hand in what was done to that poor girl and her family. It was pure evil done by men that had it in them before even joining the military.
Those serving in our military CHOSE to do so all on their own, knowing full well (especially those who joined since the start of the war) of the conditions they would be under. One of the Marines I know actually requested his third tour ... He's there now.
Shawn
September 1, 2007 - 22:00 ET by botgshowing how hard things are for our troops is a fine thing. Implying that the exceptional incident is the rule is a deception. I think my two posts to Balboa about Dahmer and Manson are equivalent in their logic to DePalmas implication. That is none are valid.
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botch
September 1, 2007 - 22:15 ET by shawn228botg,
Lets get off the rape thing for second okay? I believe that is not the only thing they will project in this movie, it is going to focusing of how hard life is for Iraqis.
All I ever hear on this site is well the surge is working, building a school, catching insurgents and how good things are that Samdamn is gone. That is great and I am glad it is working.But how many times have you seen an article in this site and talks about how hard life is the Iraqis right now. Sure not all of them are homeless, but have the seen the ones that are in bad shape. The Moms that have to prostitute themselves for feed their Children?
Lets talk about the Iraqi People botg, lets see how they look at it. They were under a barbaric ruler. The Americans invaded and we were in celebration that Democracy has arrived. How did they know how life would be for them. Seriously, again. Lets compare this the US. Could be reality, you guys hate Hilary right? So you got a ruthless dictortor like Hilary. She might have enforced her evil universal health care on you, but you can go to the movies when you liked and to the market with peace. How did you know that for the price of someone taking out Hilary"peacefully" was total chaos, no electricity, no air conditioning. sometimes no food. Being shot at, robbed, rapes. Can;t be easy for them.
Hilary as the president sounds a lot better than the latter huh?
Read The Ghosts of Anbar
September 1, 2007 - 22:20 ET by BlondeRead The Ghosts of Anbar series I posted for you Shawn. Then discuss how things are in Iraq.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
All I ever hear on this
September 1, 2007 - 22:29 ET by drillanwrAll I ever hear on this site is well the surge is working, building a school, catching insurgents and how good things are that Samdamn is gone.
Yeah, it's damn good you hear it here (and other milblog sites if you venture) because you'll NEVER hear it in the MSM ...
I would bet the "insurgents" (terrorists) have committed hundreds, if not thousands, of rapes and murders of the Iraqi people, compared to this one incident ... Oh, and let's not forget Saddam's two sons' thirst for rape and murder.
Having said that, you keep stressing their hardship. Those people ALWAYS have been kept down in the dust by Saddam and his government. For many of them if our actions in battle and rebuilding haven't changed that for them, they aren't living any different than before we got there ... Sorry, but that's the truth. Others, who were on Saddam's side, found themselves booted way down when the bastard and his henchmen were tossed. Pretty hard to keep your life-style up when your provider has been chased to a spider hole, and then hanged from a short, tight rope. Yeah, life will be tough for a while for Iraqis ... But they have something now that they didn't have under Saddam ... hope and a chance.
drill
September 1, 2007 - 22:33 ET by BlondeAnd the Iraqi people have something else they've never had before as well....the freedom to choose their own paths.
I just find the blatant spewing of the MsM line by our resident liberals (and defense of that idiot De Palma, too) due to ignorance and laziness to be totally tiring.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
drill
September 1, 2007 - 23:27 ET by shawn228K drillanwr,
You make it sound like before the invasion they might have gotten used to suicide bombing. Your saying things are pretty much the same before Sadamn was taken out of power? And for the better?
no, shawn, they didn't have
September 1, 2007 - 23:38 ET by motherbeltno, shawn, they didn't have suicide bombings; they had people being dragged out of their beds and dumped into shredders. They had rape rooms. They had Saddam's sadistic sons amusing themselves by torturing people.
But apparently you believe the Michael Moore version of life in Iraq before Saddam's hold was broken...the one where the little children are out smiling and flying kites, and life was good. Because Michael Moore is a liberal, so you believe what he says.
mother
September 1, 2007 - 23:41 ET by botglest we forget, they had trials of WMDs of populations. The Kurds were not happy volunteers to the effects of gas attacks.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
That too, botg.
September 1, 2007 - 23:47 ET by motherbeltThat too, botg.
and the mass graves
September 1, 2007 - 23:52 ET by botgin the south
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Shawn
September 1, 2007 - 22:30 ET by botga forum post on the plight of the Iraqi people? The point here is DePalma may have some valid portions in his movie. I will not see them based on the implications of the mans own words.
Yes indeed we are fortunate to live in the the best country the world has ever seen. Shouldn't we present it that way rather than implying that our servicemen are a bunch of rapists?
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
botch?
September 1, 2007 - 22:33 ET by botgare you channeling Tumbler?
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
lol
September 1, 2007 - 22:37 ET by shawn228i was kidding, That is what Monty called you. My apologies, did not mean to offend friend:-)
no offense taken
September 1, 2007 - 22:42 ET by botg: )
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
That's what I've always
September 1, 2007 - 21:31 ET by balboaThat's what I've always contended. Yes, it portrays an ugly side of war and the military, but it doesn't say "and everyone's like these guys."
bal -
September 1, 2007 - 21:38 ET by drillanwrPlease ... You know it is the goal of this man to have his movie of this incident to make the American people believe our troops are a barbarian horde. This movie has agenda written all over it ... The only thing missing from it is Sean Penn.
And that's another thing. DePalma's using unknown actors in the film tells me he wants to give the feel of "actual" footage ... A Sean Penn would distract the viewer from being molded by the message.
(This was done in HBO's Band Of Brothers. Unknown, and lesser known actors were cast in the rolls of the real life 101st members in order to give the viewer a feel of authenticity. And it worked beautifully. Better known actors would have taken away from the personal and brotherly tone the series was trying to put forth.)
I guess I just disagree. I
September 1, 2007 - 21:42 ET by balboaI guess I just disagree. I think it's his point to show how horrible war is, what it can do to people, what it can make them do.
absolutely Bal
September 1, 2007 - 21:55 ET by botgand Charlie Manson is what the anti-war movement can do to people
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Balboa
September 1, 2007 - 22:10 ET by well99If that was the case what about the rapes commited in peace time.There was soldier from a different troop that raped and murdered a girl I knew when I was stationed in FRG.It had nothing to do with war.The PAB is trying to associate all the troops over there with these yutts.
He is doing this to push his politics.I suppose useing his standards all of Hollywood puts gerbils up their a@@ .He is just another stump broke elistist.