CBS’s Teichner: Americans Abandoning Organized Religion for ‘Spirituality’

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Martha Teichner, CBS Reporting the lead story on CBS’s Sunday Morning, correspondent Martha Teichner touted a new on-line poll conducted by Parade magazine about religion in America: “nearly a quarter of the respondents call themselves spiritual, not religious. And how about this? Half the people polled say they seldom, if ever, attend religious services.”

One supposed religious expert Teichner spoke with about the poll findings was Barnard College professor and Episcopal priest Randall Balmer, who argued: “And so you have all these religious options out there and we Americans are good consumers.” Teichner asked: “So you’re saying that Americans choose their faith or their spirituality in very much the way they shop a mall.” Balmer replied: “I think they do.” In 2006, Balmer wrote Thy Kingdom Come: How the Religious Right Distorts the Faith and Threatens America.

The Parade magazine cover story about the poll was written by Christine Wicker, author of The Fall of the Evangelical Nation. In addition, Wicker is also a contributing writer for the left-wing blog The Huffington Post. Just days prior to the 2008 presidential election, Wicker authored a post entitled “Evangelical Leaders Using God Like a Hired Gun,” in which she claimed: “They tried branding Obama the anti-Christ. They tried linking him with Islamic terrorists....They’ve used their pulpits to endorse McCain...None of these tactics has brought their errant minions under control. So using God like a hired gun to terrorize the town’s people, the evangelical Christian mullahs are declaring that Obamageddon is at hand.”

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Teichner went on to discuss faith in America with TV psychic John Edward: “Edward sees no conflict between his own Catholic upbringing and what he calls his gift. Even if in this century the Church does.” Edward ranted against organized religion: “Major organized religion has failed people by not evolving with the society and becoming more open to the reality of things, and trying to hold tight to the dogma of fire and brimstone and control and fear. That’s going to be the downfall of church.”

Picking up on Edward’s condemnation, Teichner next turned to a woman who abandoned her faith all together: “Carlene Bauer was deeply unhappy in the Evangelical churches of her childhood. She became a Catholic, but then, after 9/11, left the Catholic Church, too.” Bauer explained her atheism: “I guess when you grow up thinking that God is the cause of nearly everything, it’s hard to think how could he have let this happen. I’m not listening to God anymore. It’s okay if I walk away.”

The only person featured in the story who did not display open hostility toward religion was a Rabbi at the very end, who only truly appreciated Judaism after she learned yoga: “Rabbi Sigal Brier is the opposite, religion found by way of yoga. Growing up, her Judaism was more a fact of life than the calling yoga became....Instead of leading her away from her traditional faith, yoga is how she happened to become a rabbi.”

Here is a partial transcript of the segment:

9:00AM TEASE:

CHARLES OSGOOD: That today is the Sabbath is a matter of faith for Christians, just as Saturday is the day observed by Jews and Friday is the day of worship for Muslims. That doesn’t begin to suggest the diversity of faith in this country. Martha Teichner will be exploring that terrain in our Sunday Morning cover story.

RANDALL BALMER: And so you have all these religious options out there and we Americans are good consumers.

MARTHA TEICHNER: So you’re saying that Americans choose their faith or their spirituality in very much the way they shop a mall.

RANDALL BALMER: I think they do.

MARTHA TEICHNER: Startling? A new survey of faith in America in today’s Parade magazine found that nearly a quarter of the respondents call themselves spiritual, not religious. And how about this? Half the people polled say they seldom, if ever, attend religious services. Later this Sunday Morning, a barometer of belief.

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9:08AM SEGMENT:

MARTHA TEICHNER: According to the Parade Magazine poll, nearly six out of ten respondents believe that all religions have validity, and nearly two-thirds expect to connect with dead loved ones when they themselves die. So the fact that seances were held in the White House after the Lincolns lost two of their sons doesn’t seem quite so bizarre, or that the Ouija Board Parker Brothers sells as a toy was the patented version of home-made ‘talking boards,’ nineteenth century spiritualists used, supposedly to contact the beyond. The online Parade Magazine poll found that nearly one in five respondents claim they’ve actually had contact with the dead.

JOHN EDWARD: Somebody’s claiming they were buried with gum. Somebody was buried with gum. You buried somebody with chewing gum?

MARTHA TEICHNER: It should come as no surprise then that just about that same number, one in five of those polled, watches someone like well-known psychic medium John Edward on television.

JOHN EDWARD: Alright. Would this be like a father figure to you?

WOMAN: It’s my dad.

JOHN EDWARD: Okay. And do you still see his assistant?

WOMAN: Yes.

JOHN EDWARD: He wants you to tease her like ‘what she couldn’t spare a few more slices or like – like I couldn’t have the whole pack?’

MARTHA TEICHNER: Edward sees no conflict between his own Catholic upbringing and what he calls his gift. Even if in this century the Church does.

JOHN EDWARD: Major organized religion has failed people by not evolving with the society and becoming more open to the reality of things, and trying to hold tight to the dogma of fire and brimstone and control and fear. That’s going to be the downfall of church.

CARLENE BAUER: You got the sense that anything that didn’t have anything to do with church was bad and would corrupt you, and I knew that Jesus – that wasn’t Jesus as much as it was the churches I had grown up in.

MARTHA TEICHNER: Carlene Bauer was deeply unhappy in the Evangelical churches of her childhood. She became a Catholic, but then, after 9/11, left the Catholic Church, too.

CARLENE BAUER: I guess when you grow up thinking that God is the cause of nearly everything, it’s hard to think how could he have let this happen. I’m not listening to God anymore. It’s okay if I walk away.

MARTHA TEICHNER: Bauer has written a memoir of her break with God, which, listening to her, it’s clear was agonizing. Her pain is buried in another poll statistic: More than one out of every four respondents practice no religion at all. But if she is the face of religion lost, Rabbi Sigal Brier is the opposite, religion found by way of yoga. Growing up, her Judaism was more a fact of life than the calling yoga became.

SIGAL BRIER: Yoga opened my heart, kept me in my body, and allowed my soul to do the dance it needed to find Judaism.

MARTHA TEICHNER: Instead of leading her away from her traditional faith, yoga is how she happened to become a rabbi.

SIGAL BRIER: I was able to bring the – the light, the – the fire of – of the practices of yoga into shine – to shine upon Judaism, and Judaism came to life.

MARTHA TEICHNER: There is little in the Parade magazine poll to describe people who are devout but not necessarily in a traditional way. This statistic, maybe, that six out of ten respondents still say religion is an important part of their lives, but no poll number can begin to convey the enormity of what that really means.

—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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If religion is worth anything, it is worth every thing. --MH

"So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth."  Rev 3.16

Seems like the writer is trying to push Christianity out in favor of some lukewarm "spirituality".  Won't work, in any case.

 

 

 

Abandoning Organized Religion

For Obama worship.

"If you don't believe in God, you will believe  anything"

Same old attacks on the

  • Same old attacks on the fabric of society.

    They are attacking America's families, and attacking America's faith.

    Exactly what you do when you are trying to bring a country to it's knees.

    The poll is completely false anyway. Christians **by definition** reject "religion" and embrace "faith". Read what Jesus actually taught - he was totally anti-religious.

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This is the apostasy

This is the apostasy predicted in the scriptures.  The apostates have abandoned - not religion, but FAITH. 

"...when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" - Jesus (Luke 18:8b)

There is an element of

There is an element of truth to what he is saying however, the best told lies are those which are sprinkled with facts, it's the spin on those facts left out that determines whether the assertion is true or false.  So what are the facts on church attendence? Parade Magazine is not a valid source of technical demographics, anyone who bases their conclusions on such a source isn't credible.

Furthermore, what you observe in one geographic area does not necessarily hold true for all the others.  That would be judging the crime rate of the US by the crime stats of Chicago, it's not a valid extrapolation. This is even more so true of personal observations by Wicker of people she knows.  Her friends and acquaintences are an anecdotal point of reference not a true sampling of the general public.  Given the track record of liberal assertions, I doubt very seriously there is any validity to her specific assertion.  

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Wicker kept using the word

Wicker kept using the word "they" like that gave her some credence.

"They tried branding....They tried linking him....They’ve used their pulpits". The word "they" is her equivalent to "some sources" often used by the antique media to hide their own opinions.

"DumbAssity of Dope"

They can try their best to

They can try their best to bring down the Church but the gates of hell will not prevail against it.  

Semper suprene nitens

OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.  

 

I'm a born-again Christian

I'm a born-again Christian and two years ago Jesus saved me from myself. It's a sorry state that many would-be Christians nowadays have been lulled by leftwing pawns into accepting some namby-pamby best-off religion that takes parts from all religions to concoct some spiritual goo. Jesus was very clear about it. He said that he is the truth, the way and the life. Only through him can we get to heaven. Nowadays we have liberal Christians who don't consider the Bible as God's ultimate truth. They deny homosexuality is a sin(look at the stats and the life expectancy of gays), they have pre-merital sex, they don't attend church and think that the Dalai Lama is cooler than Jesus ignoring the fact that Buddhism is a demonic cult that includes cannibalism, paedophilia, human sacrifices and demonic possession. The Dalai Lama is the reincarnation of  a demon. Go tell this to a liberal Christian and they're gonna accuse you of being blinkered and narrow-minded. But Jesus is the only truth and he wants us to be 120% hot for him, not just 10% as the writer of this poll suggests.

Nice try Satan, but I don't

Nice try Satan, but I don't watch CBS’s Sunday Morning. I'm at church worshipping God and serving.

Sunday Morning

That's probably why they talked about this story on Sunday morning. They knew all of those "Christians" would be off at church, and they could really speak to thier target crowd.

 

It's not BS without CBS!

The historical ignorance of

The historical ignorance of the eliterati in the MSM is amazing.  They pronounce on subjects that they know nothing about!

First, since "religion" is by definition about "relationship with the divine," there is no consistently credible way to distinguish religion from spirituality.

Second, those who would emphasize some sort of religionless spirituality over religion per se have been around since about two seconds after Adam met Eve.  This is not a new phenomenon.

Third, I've yet to find a spirituality that did not have copious amounts of religious language, practice, ritual, and ethical content.  The moment a person thinks about the transcendent, they think about religion.  

Fourth, what this piece is about--as all journalism in the secular media always is--is bashing the Christian Church.  As my friend, Mark Shea, says, "Atheists are steadfast in their denial of the existence of the Christian god."  How often does the NYT feature abusive articles on Isalm, Judaism, or Buddhism?  Or Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist atheists?

Fr. Philip, OP

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good points

however, i'd like to add that there is a distinction between being religious and being spiritual. both believe in the soul and God, and God's essence permeates everything in this universe.  religion usually adds a middleman between you and God (i.e. the Pope).  by no means am i bashing Catholisim; i just used it as an example

to me, religion is a container to hold one's own spirituality.   it is this spirituality that is central to all religions.  i don't fear the "left" from pushing a "spiritual" agenda, because true spirtuality champions the individual and their personal connection with God.  it reinforces good will to others and the preservation of freewill while yeilding to the individual to make their own choices accepting personal responsiblity of their actions.  religion helps bring people together, share their feelings and explore their relationship with God at a deeper level.

any thoughts?

-ascended conservative

Lady is an idiot but...

Lady is an idiot. Faith spirituality are the same to me.

 You don't need a church or someone else to tell you what the bible means. That's the beauty of American Christianity.  

Looking at the people they

Looking at the people they interviewed to reach their conclusion, it's almost as if they had the conclusion first and then they interviewed people to support it. Their ignorance of the explosion in non-denominational churches and with the withering of mainline (and liberal) churches is quite revealing. 

Americans are deserting mainline denominations, but not for nothing -- it's usually for new denominations that stick to the gospel. 

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Sunday morning gives it away

Absolutely agree. But hey, look at the time they aired it? They obviously were AVOIDING a Christian audience and want to brainwash non-Christians.

 World demographics agree, Christianity and Islam are the only two religions that are growing faster than the population growth rate. That means those two religions are becoming a greater percentage of the world's population while everything else including Athiesm is on the decline. 

 Besides they're offering a false dichotomy. Do I belong to organized relgion (what is disorganized religion?) or am I spiritual? They're not mutually exclusive and seperating them is to deny faith.

And I agree people are leaving the old decaying congregations of their parents and grandparents for ones that are still alive. Plus people are often choosing denominations based on their beliefs these days rather than inheriting it from their parents. They aren't changing religions, they're just associating with a religious group that has the same theological beliefs.

That's right, Claire, it's all about - worshiping the Won

Sigh!

I think there is some

I think there is some misplaced anger here.

The Parade article seems very even handed.  It is simply an explanation of poll results, and if you are concerned about the validity of the poll you can take it online and see what you think.  I only made it through a few questions before I got bored, but I didn't see any false dichotomies or vagaries beyond the usually problems with polls.

The television report does seem to focus almost exclusively on the negative (from a religious PoV).  The poll honestly doesn't seem to dignal anything bad for organized religion except for a decline in attendance at services, which presumably affects the financial strength of a church or temple.  People still believe in God, they still pray, the still prefer to watch The Ten Commandments over The Exorcist.

It really seems like the article, no matter who the author, is a reasonable snapshot of religious/spiritual change in America, the report is sensationalist and silly.

"Spirituality" is a

"Spirituality" is a euphemism for "secular progressivism."

Don't need an Ivy League degree to figure that one out.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

Let's tweak that a

Let's tweak that a little. 

Spirituality has been defined as self righteousness to legitimize secular progressivism as a religion (rules of ethical conduct). 

OR

Self Righteousness under the guise of Liberal Spirituality is the central tenent of Secular Progressivism.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.