Appearing on Monday’s CBS Early Show, former Bush speech writer David Frum remarked on Sarah Palin’s political future following her resignation as governor of Alaska: "She's a divisive force within the Republican Party...And many fear, as I do...that she represents a future that leads the party both to political defeat and then to ineffectiveness in government."
Co-host Harry Smith moderated a debate over Palin’s role in the party between Frum and author Ann Coulter. Even Smith acknowledged the now former Governor’s star power: "This woman is a rock star, there’s no denying it...I don't think it matters that she quit." Coulter agreed: "And she's just an amazing speaker. I mean, I think she may do something like the Ronald Reagan GE tours, where she goes around and speaks because she is heavily desired by various Republican, conservative groups, politicians. She has amazing star power and it will be interesting to see."
Coulter went on to criticize a media double standard when it comes to politicians leaving public life: "I mean, the reason the mainstream media, by and large, didn't cover the [former Senator John] Edwards affair was the argument, ‘well, he's a private citizen now. He’s an ex-presidential candidate, but just a private citizen.’ If the media will leave her [Sarah Palin] alone. And I don't think so."
Unusually, Smith did not take the bait, but simply noted that Palin gave the media a "tongue lashing" in her farewell speech on Sunday. He then turned to Frum and wondered: "Is Sarah Palin the future of the Republican Party?" It was at that point that Frum denounced Palin’s "divisiveness." Not caring if he was divisive, Frum later concluded: "...she had the highest negatives of any of the Republican candidates. She had failed in interview after interview, conspicuously on this network. She could not explain what she believed, who she was. She had a very slight record of achievement...I don't think this woman can – it is not impossible to me that she could win a Republican nomination. But the presidency? Impossible. And the rest of us will pay the price."
During the 2008 campaign, Frum appeared on the October 13 Early Show and declared: "I think Sarah Palin was a huge mistake...whose knowledge is so shallow, it makes people -- it doesn't just make people offended, it makes them afraid."
On the Saturday Early Show, both Frum Coulter appeared with Bay Buchanan to debate Palin’s future.
Here is the full transcript of the Monday Early Show segment:
7:00AM TEASE:
HARRY SMITH: Sarah Palin steps down as the Alaska governor but leaves little hint of what her future role might be.
SARAH PALIN: I will be able to fight even harder for you, for what is right and for truth.
SMITH: We'll talk with outspoken conservative, Ann Coulter, about Palin’s second act.
7:02AM SEGMENT:
HARRY SMITH: Alright, let’s get to the headlines then, Sarah Palin begins a new life this morning. On Sunday, she stepped down as governor of Alaska with a fiery farewell speech. How many are wondering what's next? CBS News correspondent, Bill Whitaker joins us from Los Angeles with the latest. Good morning, Bill.
BILL WHITAKER: Good morning, Harry. It seems nothing is politics as usual with Sarah Palin. She shot from little-known governor to one of the most popular, if polarizing, politicians in the U.S. when John McCain tapped her to be his running mate. Her farewell speech in Alaska, pure Palin, fiery and unpredictable. Sarah Palin handed the reigns of power to Lieutenant Governor, Sean Parnell.
SARAH PALIN: With this decision, now, I will be able to fight even harder for you.
WHITAKER: But walking out the door, one more defiant jab at the press.
PALIN: Our new governor has a very nice family, too. So leave his kids alone.
WHITAKER: And at Hollywood-
PALIN: Hollywood needs to know, we eat, therefore, we hunt.
WHITAKER: But why is she stepping down?
CHUCK HEATH [SARAH PALIN’S FATHER]: I have no idea what her game plan is.
WHITAKER: While a majority of Americans, 53%, view Palin negatively, she remains widely popular in the Republican Party. 70% have a positive opinion of her. Now with a book deal, book tour in the works, and $1 million in political action committee coffers, is she stepping off stage or setting the stage to run for president?
ANDY BARR [POLITICO.COM]: The kind of quitter stigma that's been attached to her is something that’s going to be very damaging in any future campaign if she does decide to take on.
WHITAKER: Now, Sarah Palin is keeping in touch with her followers through Twitter. But don't look for campaign announcements there either. Her last announcement on Twitter when she left the governorship, a simple ‘thank you.’ Harry.
SMITH: Bill Whitaker, thanks so much. Joining us now is political commentator, Ann Coulter and in Washington, former Bush speech writer, David Frum. Good morning to you both.
ANN COULTER: Good morning.
DAVID FRUM: Good morning.
SMITH: This woman is a rock star, there’s no denying it. And I don't want to disagree with our friend from Politico, I don't think it matters that she quit with a year to go – a little less than a year to go in her term. What is her next step, Ann Coulter?
ANN COULTER: I’ve no actual knowledge of this, but I suspect – well, she has a book to write, we know she has the book contract. And she's just an amazing speaker. I mean, I think she may do something like the Ronald Reagan GE tours, where she goes around and speaks because she is heavily desired by various Republican, conservative groups, politicians. She has amazing star power and it will be interesting to see. I mean, the reason the mainstream media, by and large, didn't cover the [John] Edwards affair was the argument, ‘well, he's a private citizen now. He’s an ex-presidential candidate, but just a private citizen.’ If the media will leave her alone. And I don't think so.
SMITH: Yeah, well, she had plenty to say to the media yesterday and gave sort of gave the media a tongue lashing. David Frum, is Sarah Palin the future of the Republican Party?
DAVID FRUM: She's a future of the Republican Party. She's a divisive force within the Republican Party. Ann is right to say that she's been asked to speak in many Republican affairs. But note that one of her first invitations was for an internal Republican battle, Texas Governor Rick Perry asked her to come speak against Kay Bailey Hutchison. So her divisiveness is not just divisive within the country, it’s divisive within the party. And many fear, as I do, that while she's very popular with some Republicans, that she represents a future that leads the party both to political defeat and then to ineffectiveness in government.
SMITH: She talked about the North Star during her speech yesterday. Is she the North Star? Is she, unlike what David might suggest, is she really who the Republicans are, Ann Coulter?
COULTER: I think a lot closer to the Republican Party that wins. I mean, this is a long-standing battle within the Republican Party. Stated generally, this sort of moderate, Rockefeller Republicans versus the right-wing Republicans. And they’re always the right-wing Republicans – I mean Reagan was pretty divisive, too. He ran against George Bush and the claim was, ‘oh, he's just appealing to the base.’ Well, the Republican base has a pretty wide appeal. And when we run the ones with the wider appeal, like John McCain, who was so respected by Democrats, that tends to be when we lose. But there is just, I mean, I don't know if she's going to run in four years. There – she has such an appeal. One – one person who has noticed and been quite interested in Sarah Palin, is Margaret Thatcher, who is dying to talk to Sarah Palin because interestingly, Margaret Thatcher is the daughter of a grocer. She had to teach herself to speak proper English and I think Sarah Palin will probably have to start not dropping her G's, but that is minor compared to the star appeal she has.
SMITH: I don’t think – I don’t think that’s going to happen. I don’t think that’s – David Frum-
FRUM: You know-
SMITH: Go ahead.
FRUM: Let me just talk about that North Star and what – let’s cover what she said in that speech and the reason for her appeal. It is an amazing thing that a governor's most notable achievement in office was to distribute an extra $1,200 a year to every resident of Alaska, would include in her speech an attack on government handouts. And that’s the kind of thing that makes people say ‘well, we know why she was popular – when she was popular in Alaska – she gave everybody 1,200 bucks, you’d like that too. But she's also leaving with her state in great fiscal difficulty. And I don't know what kind of right-wing Republican you are when you say ‘I'm giving away money that I’ve raised by raising taxes on oil companies.’
SMITH: And-
FRUM: As a right-winger, it's a strange approach.
SMITH: David, let's go back to Ann's point. What about the idea that she really is the one who represents, can she reach over? Can she reach over to what we used to call ‘Reagan Democrats’? Is she the one who could really win it all?
FRUM: Look, we know the answer to this question because we can see what happened in 2008. Between the time she was announced at the end of August of 2008 and voting day, Sarah Palin had the steepest decline in approval of any national politician ever in American polling history. And the decline was steepest among women, the very people whom Republicans most need to win. By the end of that campaign, she had the highest negatives of any of the Republican candidates. She had failed in interview after interview, conspicuously on this network. She could not explain what she believed, who she was. She had a very slight record of achievement, which is mostly one of taxing and giving away money in cash So I don't think this woman can – it is not impossible to me that she could win a Republican nomination. But the presidency? Impossible. And the rest of us will pay the price.
SMITH: We shall see-
COULTER: I disagree with all of that and that's all we have time for.
SMITH: There you go. Ann, thank you so much.
COULTER: Thank you.
SMITH: David, do appreciate it, sir.
FRUM: Thank you.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.




















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July 27, 2009 - 12:23 ET by AJBYes, she is and she SHOULD BE a devisive force in ANY political party. We need to shake things up. The Republican party has lost its way. They no longer stand for the tenets of the Contract with America. They no longer stand for smaller government. They no longer stand for less taxes. I'm not sure what they stand for now. But Palin knows where she stands and she's not afraid to stand up to the big boys and tell them H$LL NO. We need a new direction in Washington. I think she could be the one to get us there.
Frum, Brooks, Noonan,
July 27, 2009 - 16:20 ET by manofaikiFrum, Brooks, Noonan, Powell, et. al, I seem to recall they GOT their perfect 'moderate' candidate in the last election. They told MCCAIN was the only guy who had a shot.
And you know what? McCain's campaign was dead in the water until Palin came aboard.
These RINO losers wouldn't even go down with their OWN ship.
That's right! The election wasn't even over before they all PUBLICLY jumped ship and rushed to worship at the altar of The One.
And they had the nerve to blame PALIN for the failure of McCain's candidacy!
They got EXACTLY the kind of moderate campaign they wanted....and they LOST.
Why the hell are we still listening to these people?
Right now they are readying the good ship Democrate Lite II with some other handpicked 'moderate' at the helm, having learned nothing from watching the good ship Democrate Lite I hit the shoals with McCain on board.
Once again Frum is floating the meme that conservatives are what is holding the Republican party back from winning elections.
It's insane. It's stupid. And it should have reached it's nadir in the last election when Palin's coming aboard pumped the only life McCain's campaign ever saw, and they ended up turning on her once it was clear he was going to lose.
And here we are again, listening to Frum still trying to sell this idea.
Coulter wiped the floor with him, which was probably unfair, given that she didn't have to use much intellectual firepower here on this gnat.
And compare her to Pelosi
July 27, 2009 - 12:27 ET by jondelwichePelosi's fumbling press conference on the CIA lies was 100x worse than anything Palin has ever done.
Or when Pelosi start crying under mild questioning from Russert back on MTP in 2004.
Yet, she gets kid glove treatment from the media elite.
The media drives this slanted coverage, but fortunately votes on the ground in 2012 will determine candidates. I hope Palin gives it a run........
I VOTED FOR PALIN! And ...
July 27, 2009 - 12:32 ET by Jayke... I'll voter for her AGAIN!
That's OK. I'll pick up the
July 27, 2009 - 12:47 ET by nolotrippenThat's OK. I'll pick up the slack.
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July 27, 2009 - 12:33 ET by serfer62The obvious problem with the GOP is DC...thats where they get their advise. The frums, bucannons etc are all arlen spectors waiting in the wings
Don't know the best place
July 27, 2009 - 12:34 ET by GregEDon't know the best place to put this, so......
http://www.youtube.c...
Where was the MSM on this in all the death-of-Cronkite coverage?
People will be very
July 27, 2009 - 12:41 ET by MidAmericaPeople will be very hungry for common sense after four years of chaos under obama so I hope Sarah runs because she will pull all of the rest of the candidates to the right with her, even the democrats.
government handouts
July 27, 2009 - 12:46 ET by nolotrippenFRUM: "It is an amazing thing that a governor's most notable achievement in
office was to distribute an extra $1,200 a year to every resident of
Alaska, would include in her speech an attack on government handouts."
Umm, no. It was a payback. No wonder she's devisive in the Republican party. As long as you have RINOs like Frum who see the goverenment as the be-all, end-all, you're going to have a Palin to come in and slap you around a bit. It's needed.
Frum
July 27, 2009 - 12:48 ET by StarAZHe is always a FORMER Bush guy--does he have any kind of current job--and can he get one?
No One's More Divisive than the Frum-Flam Man
July 27, 2009 - 12:57 ET by BW222There's no one in the GOP that is more divisive than David Frum.
This metrosexual wuss is hated by conservatives as much as they hate liberals.
BW222
Look & Listen
July 27, 2009 - 13:39 ET by CaringwhiteguyDavid Frum. One look and you know why he's been the guy behind the scenes. One listen and you hope he'll stay behind - - far behind.
Cwg,
July 27, 2009 - 13:50 ET by Chris NormanI believe that Frum represents the Bitchy Wing of the Republican Party.
There's something about his face or his expression that's an unpleasant reminder of David Shuster.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
You're damn right Sarah is devise, Frum...
July 27, 2009 - 12:59 ET by R D Helm...and I say God bless her and more power to her.
It's loooooooong past time to run the RINOs (like you) the hell out of the Republican Party, and put the conervatives back in charge.
-Dave
Frum
July 27, 2009 - 13:08 ET by east tennessee johnWell, David, you and your elitist "conservative" rinos can go suck an egg while you're kissing up to your beltway buddies. Guess what? You need us more than we need you, bootlicker. You guys think you know everything because of your location(inside the beltway and academic power elite). Guess what? 2+2 is 4 everywhere in the universe, not just because you "enlightened" ones in the elite learned it at some Ivy league school. Try, just try and get elected without our support. Ask your boy McCain how that worked out for him. I'll be more than happy to debate the issues with you at anytime, provided you can get off your high horse. Punk.
Shallow?
July 27, 2009 - 13:11 ET by katiejaneI guess shallow is something Frum sees every morning whan he looks in the mirror. Maybe he should cnsider whether his drumbeat attacking of Palin is also divisive to the GOP. It certinly isn't making me inclined to think he is anyone other than a ass.
David Frum: "And many fear,
July 27, 2009 - 13:29 ET by deerjerkydaveDavid Frum: "And many fear, as I do...that she represents a future that leads the party both to political defeat and then to ineffectiveness in government."
What did Bush get us? He poisoned the Republican party through his compassionate conservatism (read big government spending and solutions) and today the Democrat party has nearly complete control of the Federal government. I would call that a landslide political defeat. Thanks Bush and Frum for ending the era of Reagan and returning us to the era or Jimmy Carter. If the Republican party wishes to have a future it is following Reagan, not Bush.
Frum is someone I never
July 27, 2009 - 13:51 ET by bigtimerFrum is someone I never listen to other than brush him aside if he is in debate setting....same as I do regarding Gergen or Brooks etc.
Msm loves to name these type of people as conservatives when they are on a panel of talking heads...which is a joke within itself...they count on the majority of people listening to be none the wiser.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Politics for Dummies: If
July 27, 2009 - 14:02 ET by mattmPolitics for Dummies: If the media and the talking head pundits hate someone and go out of their way to demonstrate that fact, then the person they're bashing is probably someone you should support.
Using this method makes it easy to figure out who and what to support and who and what to oppose - just go directly opposite of what the media elite and their loudmouth buddies are saying.
David Frum
July 27, 2009 - 14:18 ET by shawn228The thing is that there are many members of the republican party that are like David Frum that believe Palin is a polarizing figure. If she decides to run in 2012, before she faces off against Obama, she has to get the nomination first and I guarantee Newt Gingrich or any of the other contenders are not going be shy about their critisisms.
There is no doubt she has a very loyal following, but does she have enough of a following to overcome the David Frums of the republican party, whose numbers are greater than anyone seems to want to admit.
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers" ~fitzfong
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Shawn, I agree that the
July 27, 2009 - 18:17 ET by fitzfongShawn,
I agree that the devotion to Sarah Palin is a bit premature. I think Jonah Goldberg hit the nail on the head (ironically on the morning of her original announcement that she was stepping down as Alaska Governor...she held the press conference later in the day) when he suggested that she may be the candidate, but that she really needed to brush up on policy so that she could present the facts to back up her ideology with confidence. I thought that was a very reasonable conclusion. Sarah Palin has a couple of years to really immerse herself in policy issues, and if she comes out of it with a better command of the hows and whys, she will be a formidable candidate. If, by 2012, she has not progressed beyond her current understanding, I don't believe she will be a viable candidate...I certainly wouldn't be to confident with her as the nominee. But there is certainly an opportunity and room for her to grow into the position of front runner.
That said, David Frum is a hack. He consistently alludes to issues of personality and "tone" without ever addressing policy concerns. He takes substance-free personal shots at Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Mark Levin, Sarah Palin and others and acts as if he has all the answers while providing none. He harps on the whole "New Majority" myth (a complete figment of his wet dreams) without ever discussing where this "New Majority" stands on ideological principles...TARP, taxes, cap-and-trade, illegal immigration, health care, etc. I suspect he skews towards McCain on those principles, at which point his "New Majority" is unacceptable and irrelevant. Besides he looks like a slighter version of Rob Reiner with a shave, clown makeup and spray-on hair.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
July 27, 2009 - 14:23 ET by jessieHThey say anything & everything they can about her because they don't have the guts to say it about obama, who is as transparant as a brick. obama has never said what he believes or who he is. He had all of his records sealed. A "real" reporter would be working overtime to find out what he is hiding from the public.
You KNOW of whom the lefty...
July 27, 2009 - 14:46 ET by wnaegele...metrosexuals and their harridans are scared sh-tless.
These people already had their way when they got McCain
July 27, 2009 - 15:10 ET by lsudolemitewhile the rest of us held our nose and voted for him. That worked out marvelously, wouldn't you say? And he's the ideal RINO poster boy. Exactly how many crushing defeats is it going to take before Frum and his ilk realize their "big tent" approach doesn't work? I, for one, am sick of indulging these people. Either get on track with a real conservative in 2012 and beyond or get the hell out of the way.
To paraphrase another poster, the next time McCain, Graham, or some other RINO "reaches across the aisle" do us all a favor and stay there.
They never learn
July 27, 2009 - 18:27 ET by ReaverThe sad truth is these blue bloods never learn, they never view their defeat as a rejection by the voters. All you have to do is listen to what they are saying now, more “big tent”, more “reaching across the aisle”. They got the candidate and the campaign they wanted in the last election but they will never concede that they and their philosophy were what lost the last election. Hence, the blame Palin game.
If stupidity got us into this mess,
then why can't it get us out?
--Will Rogers
A few questions I'd love to ask Frum
July 27, 2009 - 19:05 ET by lsudolemite1. Why is it that Palin is so "divisive" but Obama is not? His poll numbers alone show that he has polarized the electorate in 6 months in ways that W could never dream of, and the flaky fickle moderates are quickly abandoning ship. Republicans finally have a fiscally conservative message that is resonating with the American people, and now you want the party to ABANDON conservatism??
2. Why is it never incumbent on Democrats to "cross the aisle"? Ever. It is a phrase reserved exclusively for moderate and "maverick" Republicans. Show me the Democrat to cross the aisle on the Iraq war. Oh that's right, we already had one named Joe Lieberman, and he was unceremoniously drummed out of the party. So much for that big Democrat tent. Show me the anti-abortion, limited government Democrats. If there was ever an ideological monolith it's the modern Democrat Party, so the whole idea of the "big tent" being necessary for political survival is a straw man. It's time to call "crossing the aisle" what it really is: capitulation to liberalism and subjugation of conservative principles.
3. If W couldn't win over the hearts of the electorate with 8 years of the New Tone and "compassionate conservatism", how does expanding this approach help the party? How have we been rewarded by Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind and comprehensive immigration reform? The constituencies benefiting from those policies still heavily vote Democrat. You people are like Marxists who stubbornly proclaim that socialism is a viable social philosophy; it just hasn't been implemented properly, despite a 150-year record of unbelievably breathtaking failure and loss of human life.
4. When will you get it through your thick skull that the traditional way of doing politics in Washington is over? The MSM has cast their lot with Obama and declared open war on the conservative movement. They're not merely the Drive-By Media anymore, but the State-Run Media, to borrow from Rush. Obama and Pelosi are trying to wipe conservatism off the national landscape and you want to sit down at the bargaining table to negotiate some committee membership? Newt is slowly beginning to wake up to this realization, and it's high time for the bell to go off in your head too.
Ditto.
July 27, 2009 - 20:26 ET by tomchrisGreat points, "Isodolemite." Indeed, it's always a one way street for conservatives in this "reach accross the aisle" nonsense.
Although I enjoyed one of the Frum's books, the guy has become a laughable tool. Another "good conservative," the msm can trod out to trash their so-called own kind. Why bother with the man's elitist, middle of the road muddle when we all know the Rhino track record- lost elections.
Rush is right. If Palin is such a non-starter, why does Frum's pasty face have to seen on TV day after day trashing her. The answer is obvious: She's a threat. She can win.
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July 27, 2009 - 15:48 ET by serfer62.
Frump. Yeah, thats it, david Frump. Perfect...
Frum is an idiot
July 27, 2009 - 23:04 ET by BigSpoon65Were it not for his Palin derangement syndrome I wouldn't even know who this loser is. Who cares what this washed up loser thinks? I watched Sarah's farewell speech and it motivated me to send her another Franklin. If she runs I will enthusiastically support her with my vote and my wallet.
Winston Churchill ~ "Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy."