CBS ‘Early Show’ Uses Republican to Call Palin a ‘Huge Mistake’

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David Frum, CBS On Monday’s CBS Early Show, co-host Harry Smith discussed the presidential campaign with former Bush speech writer David Frum and declared: "There is growing concern among some Republicans about McCain's campaign. They're calling on him to stabilize it." Later in the segment, Smith asked Frum point blank: "Was Sarah Palin a mistake?" Frum replied: "I think Sarah Palin was a huge mistake...Americans can be pretty jokey about their government when times are good, but when times are bad, they want to know do -- can you do the job? And when you have a candidate who so obviously has never thought about any of the issues that are going to be important to the next administration and whose knowledge is so shallow, it makes people -- it doesn't just make people offended, it makes them afraid."

Just prior to asking Frum about Palin, Smith asked: "We're talking about the Gallup numbers, the Post has Obama up by ten points. Three weeks to go. Is it too late for John McCain to make substantial changes and literally save his campaign?" Part of Frum’s response to that question included: "The McCain campaign right now is running a campaign aimed at getting excited the last -- the core 30% of the country that supports the Republican Party, our base, but you don't win elections on your base. You win elections, but with a broad strategy. And above all, when you run an election like this aimed at your base you risk demoralizing and offending a lot of people who are needed by a Norm Coleman or an Elizabeth Dole."

Update: Frum's appearance on the Early Show prompted a discussion between Kathryn Jean Lopez and Mark Levin on National Review Online.

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While the Early Show routinely has on liberal political analysts, like Michael Crowley from the New Republic, when the show finally has on a Republican to discuss the race he attacks conservatives and calls them offensive and scary.

Here is the full transcript of the segment:

7:10AM SEGMENT:

HARRY SMITH: There is growing concern among some Republicans about McCain's campaign. They're calling on him to stabilize it. Joining us from Washington, David Frum, former speech writer for President Bush and a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. Good morning, David.

DAVID FRUM: Good morning.

SMITH: I tell you what, I'm also looking at The Washington Post. We're talking about the Gallup numbers, the Post has Obama up by ten points. Three weeks to go. Is it too late for John McCain to make substantial changes and literally save his campaign?

FRUM: Well, it's clearly kind of tough for him, but we have, as a party, more concerns than just John McCain. We have senators and members of Congress. And one of the things I've been arguing for a long time is that we may be getting a little too focused on the presidential campaign, which is going to be a tough race, and not paying enough attention to saving some crucial senators, who are going to be a real power basis if we do find ourselves out of the White House.

SMITH: Yeah, Democrats talking about a serious majority now in the Senate. Seats that are up for grabs, Elizabeth Dole, there are others who are right on the edge.

FRUM: Right. And so it may be a very important thing for us to think about. How do you run this presidential campaign in a way that does the most good for people like Elizabeth Dole, for people like Norm Coleman. The McCain campaign right now is running a campaign aimed at getting excited the last -- the core 30% of the country that supports the Republican Party, our base, but you don't win elections on your base. You win elections, but with a broad strategy. And above all, when you run an election like this aimed at your base you risk demoralizing and offending a lot of people who are needed by a Norm Coleman or an Elizabeth Dole.

SMITH: Right. Was Sarah Palin a mistake?

FRUM: I think Sarah Palin was a huge mistake. I've been saying that since the first day. In a time of emergency like this, as in 9/11, people turn to Washington and they want to see people in charge know what they're doing. You know, Americans can be pretty jokey about their government when times are good, but when times are bad, they want to know do -- can you do the job? And when you have a candidate who so obviously has never thought about any of the issues that are going to be important to the next administration and whose knowledge is so shallow, it makes people -- it doesn't just make people offended, it makes them afraid.

SMITH: So as a Republican, and if you are going to write a prescription for John McCain, in 30 seconds that are left, he's got three weeks to get this done, what would it be?

FRUM: He needs to pull every Republican with substantial economic experience together. He needs to be campaigning with them, he needs to get -- be delivering a message on that front and then the Republican National Committee needs to be shifting a lot of money into senatorial campaigns.

SMITH: David Frum, thank you very much for your -- for your input this morning. Do appreciate it, thank you.

FRUM: Thank you.

SMITH: Righto. Wow, wild campaign. Three weeks to go and every day, a new, another headline, right?

—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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"David Frum, thank you very

"David Frum, thank you very much for your -- for your input this morning. Do appreciate it, thank you."

Oh, I just bet you do, Harry. You found a useful tool to support your biased storyline.

McNotObama '08

The libs and the MSM are so afraid of Sarah Palin

The libs and the MSM are so afraid of Sarah Palin they have to grab some low level employeeto push this idea of "Get Sarah off the ticket"?

 

Governor Palin - She is the Real Deal !

I don't think they really

I don't think they really believe they can get her off the ticket; it's just a smear of Palin.

There is no reason for Obama to attack McCain or Palin - the media is doing it for them.

 

What a stupid man. No, not

What a stupid man. No, not you Kyle.

If Sarah and John were actually running against each other, Sarah would win by a landslide. It's refreshing to see a candidate that is....well, normal. She represents the best of what the average Joe could be if they work hard enough for it. And as far as Obama is concerned...Why Obama Scares The Crap Out Of Me 

 

 

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Safe question

Frum has long been against the choice of Palin, and I'm sure Harry Smith knew it.

 I guess Frum wasn't consulted and is pouting. From the tone of his answers he's already written McCain off. 

That's a pile of bovine excrement about looking to Washington in this time of crisis, they're the incompetent bozos who got us in this mess. That's like asking the wolves to help corral the sheep. The only thing they can do is ask for more money and point fingers away from themselves. They are an embarrasment and Frum's a nitwit. 

From on Frum

From Wikipedia on David Frum

"Political views

On abortion, Frum has stated that he "is not pro-life" and "think[s]
abortion ought to be legal in the first trimester and generally illegal
thereafter", but believes in state-by-state regulations on the matter.
[9]

Frum has been a consistent and vocal critic of Republican presidential candidate John McCain's choice of Sarah Palin
as his running mate on the ground that Palin is unqualified to assume
the presidency. Speaking of Palin's performance during the campaign,
Frum has stated, "I think she has pretty thoroughly -- and probably
irretrievably -- proven that she is not up to the job of being
president of the United States."[10]

His tactics are exactly how one gets on the morning broadcast shows.  Is there a new Frum book in the wings?

 

This is the classic

This is the classic difference between the dimocrats and the Republicans when they are before the media.  The dims would have known this guy was going to interview, given him a general outline of what to say and specific talking points to integrate into the interview.  He would have been told to keep his opinions to himself, support the candidate, support the party and you will be rewarded.  

Meanwhile, the also ran Republicans probably didn't even know Frum was going to be interview, didn't have a plan for what would be asked, what he should say, specific talking points to integrate into the interview, and variants on clean up of any issues that might have surfaced as a result.  

The RNC and McCain campaign amatuer hour.   

 How hard could it be?  This is just embarrassing . . .

David Frum should be

David Frum should be ashamed of himself -- I hope he's happy when Obama is in charge and the country runs into the ground with his overtly socialist policies.

What will Frum say then?  "I told you so?"  What does that say about him as a person...you don't support Palin, fine...but have the decency to at least show respect for her accomplishments and mind your own business whether it was a mistake or not to choose her.

I've lost a lot of respect for Frum and won't read him anymore as a result.

Beltway elites

<i>but when times are bad, they want to know do -- can you do the job?</i>

 What a remarkable demonstration of how the beltway elites simply do not resonate nor understand business, middle America,etc.

Let's talk about this "doing the job" standard:

- Bush: 8 years on the job. Fannie/Freddie reform success? Zero. FAIL. 

- McCain: Decades in the Senate. Fannie/Freddie reform success? Zero. Partial credit for trying? Sure. C-

- Palin: A couple years in governor's office. Budgetary and oil pipeline reform success? You-betcha. Strategic use of reform mandate to attain measurable results. Absolutely. Motivating your state government and earning the support of the people? When did the U.S. Congress have an 80% popularity rating? A+

Beltway Bozos like Frum do nothing more than talk, contemplate, pose and think grand thoughts. Other than aspiring to be a International Man of Letters, they have no value in the normal operation of this nation.

Frum? FAIL

 

David Frum is just another

David Frum is just another one of a growing number of traitors who are willing to sacrifice their beliefs in order to get on more cable news shows and get invited to more beltway cocktail parties.  He's a pathetic tool.

If she was a huge mistake...

If she was a huge mistake, they wouldn't have to have this guy on TV.

Just the fact that they had to do this, shows that they are concerned. Them being concerned is a sign that she wasn't a huge mistake. 

 

What a great point!

What a great point!

If Palin was a HUGE mistake, the MSM would not have to Tell me

Must have been a HUGE mistake for Obama's election chances ....she's NOT a Lawyer, She has NEVER worked in DC, yep, HUGE mistake, she may represent the PEOPLE and NOT the Congress !!

The HUGE mistake was the MSM attacking Palin relentlessly the first they heard of her. . . tsk...tsk....MSM attacking Joe Sixpack, Huge mistake.

JatTee

I'm praying that there are enough Joe six-packs and real women with the sense t vote against Hussein Obama.

Pseudo-Conservatives.

paulejb

Just love these pseudo-conservatives. In their effort to be considered the smartest person in the room by their liberal friends they spout the latest democrat talking points. It seems all these snobs look down their nose on anyone who does not toe the party line. I grew up with National Review & it is distressing to see that it has been infiltrated by imposters posing as conservatives.

I think a lot of these

I think a lot of these conservatives in the chattering class only support the right kind of conservative - to use the code words from the old restricted country clubs...

 

McNotObama '08

I never liked David...

Frum even when he called himself a Republican.  There was something about him that said "Liberal, Liberal, Liberal".  Turns out I was right.  Jim Webster

E-mail

From the link on NRO, his e-mail is

DFRUM@aei.org

Can't hurt to send him a big "thank-you" note.  I pity NRO - Conservatives are damn mad with their climbing over each other to pull the plug on McCain/Palin.  Mark Levin, get the hell out of there!  Kathryn Jean Lopez is just there to stop the NRO-bleeding (cancelations galore) and to say again and again it's "just to help the McCain campaign!"

Palin is a huge mistake - We could of had Romney

I am so happy the economic illiterate - McCain choose another economic illiterate - Palin. I mean who could imagine the race right now if McCain had chosen Romney... what a crazy idea.

Sarah Palin

Age: 44

Education:
- B.S. Journalism, University of Idaho, 1987

Political Experience:
- Former Council Member, Wasilla City Council, Alaska, 1992-1996 (pop: 6,715)
- Former Mayor, Wasilla City, Alaska, 1996-2002 (pop: 6,715) (Votes: 909)
- Governor, Alaska, 2006-present (less than 2 years, 1 budget cycle) (pop: 670,053 - 0.002% of the U.S.)
Total Career Political Votes: 188,125

Professional Experience:
- First Place, Miss Wasilla Beauty Contest, 1984
- Second Place, Miss Alaska Pageant, 1984
- Television Sports Reporter, 1987-1989

 

Mitt Romney:

Age: 60

Education:
- B.A. Brigham Young University, 1971
- J.D. Harvard University, 1975
- M.B.A. Harvard University, 1975

Political Experience:
- Governor, Massachusetts, 2003-2007 (pop: 6,437,193)
Total Career Political Votes: 6,839,107

Professional Experience:
- Vice President, Bain and Company, Incorporated, 1978-1984
- CEO, Bain Capital, Incorporated, 1984-1998
- CEO, Bain and Company, Incorporated, 1991-1993
- President, Salt Lake Winter Olympics Organizing Committee, 1999-2002

Speaking of illiterate....

"We could of had Romney"

more properly should be

"We could have had".

Further, "choose" should have been "chose".

Get it right, before you throw the illiterate dart, Pop. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Read yours after I posted.

Read yours after I posted. Thanks for the laugh.

Palin is still an economic illiterate

But since you don't understand economics, you wouldn't know.

Transcript of Palin, Biden debate

"IFILL: ...do you support capping carbon emissions?

PALIN: I do. I do."

Well, guess she trumps you then, Pop

Since you're just plain illiterate.

Don't go there with me, son, about economics.

You haven't a clue, as you've so aptly displayed for all to see here. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde you are flat out economically illiterate

Which is why you blindly defend Palin but that has more to do with identity politics.

PT

Romney's economic policies are running Mass. broke. They are deep in debt and the health care system is a total failure. Everu alaskan taxpayer received a refund from the Palin administration. Before you say that Romney is no longer gov. of Mass. The current problems were caused by him. What kind of Illerate are you?

Those are not Romney's Policies, please stop lying

Romney could never get his policies passed as the liberal legislature overruled him constantly.

Romney Vetoed More Than 800 Budget Line-Items (707 were overturned by the liberal Massachusetts Legislature)

- Romney convinced the unfriendly State Legislature to grant him unilateral power to make budget cuts in 2003
- Romney unveiled $343 million in cuts to cities, healthcare, and state agencies in 2003
- Romney successfully consolidated the social service and public health bureaucracy in 2003
- Romney eliminated half of the executive branch's press positions, saving $1.2 million in 2003
- Romney successfully forced Medicaid recipients to make co-payments for some services in 2003
- Romney successfully pushed for legislation forcing new state workers to contribute 25% of their health insurance costs in 2003
- Romney proposed to revolutionize the Massachusetts state pension system by moving it to a defined contribution system in 2003
- Romney pushed to revamp the Pacheco Law, a union-backed measure that makes it nearly impossible to privatize state services in 2003
- Romney called for the privatization of the University of Massachusetts medical school in 2003
- Romney proposed measures to eliminate civil service protection for all municipal workers except police and firefighters and exempt low-cost public construction jobs from the state's wage law in 2003
- Romney proposed easing pricing regulations on Massachusetts retailers in 2003
- Romney Vetoed A Provision That Would Have Renewed A Prescription Drug Tax in 2003
- Romney proposed easing decades-old state regulations on wetlands in 2004
- Romney Vetoed Retroactive Pay Increases For State Employees in 2004
- Romney proposed cutting the state's income-tax rate from 5.3% to 5.0% in 2004, 2005 and 2006
- Romney succeeded in passing a bill preventing the capital gains tax from being applied retroactively in 2005
- Romney signed legislation that provided property tax relief to seniors in 2005
- Romney signed legislation establishing a two-day tax-free shopping holiday in 2005
- Romney fought for welfare legislation increasing the number of hours each week recipients must work and establishing a five-year limit for receiving benefits in 2005
- Romney aggressively pushed to deregulate Massachusetts' "Soviet-style" auto insurance industry in 2005
- Romney Vetoed a bill limiting the ability of out-of-state wineries to ship directly to Massachusetts consumers, calling the legislation "anti-consumer" in 2005
- Romney used his emergency fiscal powers to make $425 million worth of cuts in 2006
- Romney Vetoed the employer mandate that requires businesses with 11 or more full-time employees to provide health insurance in 2006
- Romney Vetoed an increase in the minimum wage from $6.75 to $8.00 in 2006
- Romney Signed a bill streamlining the state's cumbersome permitting process for new businesses in 2006
- Romney Line-Item Vetoed $100,000 For A Gazebo On Sunset Lake In Braintree in 2006
- Romney Vetoed $150,000 For The University Of Massachusetts To Study The Winter Moth in 2006
- Romney Vetoed $4 Million To Research The Efficiency Of The Internal Combustion Engine in 2006
- Romney has ruled out the option of raising Social Security taxes, embraced the idea of reducing the growth rate of future benefits, and supports personal accounts in 2007

They did the same thing on the health care plan. But lying is more important for people who do not know how to research.

The Massachusetts legislature made a number of changes to Governor Romney's original Health Care proposal.

Romney Vetoed Eight Sections of the Health Care Legislation, including:

- Romney Vetoed providing dental benefits to poor residents on the Medicaid program
- Romney Vetoed providing health coverage to senior and disabled legal immigrants not eligible for federal Medicaid
- Romney Vetoed expanding MassHealth (Medicaid) coverage to low-income children
- Romney Vetoed restoring funding for public health programs
- Romney Vetoed adding a provision charging firms with 11 or more workers that do not provide "fair and reasonable" health coverage to their
workers

All Eight Vetoes Were Overturned

The legislature also rejected Governor Romney's proposal to permit even higher-deductible, lower benefit health plans.

Nice list PT

But he is still the one that instituted universal health care and ruined the state. Incidentally, an idiot with a college degree is still an idiot.

Still lying?

His policy has little to do with Universal Health Care and more to do with Universal Health Insurance. But lying is more important obviously. Try reading and researching instead of listening to the idiots where you get your information from.

Typical liberal, playing

Typical liberal, playing with words. Health care or health insurance - whatever you name it broke the state. You are so good at insults you must be a flaming left-wing extremist. Bet you are very proud of your degree, if you can read it.

Typical moron calling me a liberal

I am good at providing the facts, the liberal legislature broke the state as I clearly pointed out. Romney was well aware of the costs of his plan which is why he vetoed all portions that would cause cost overruns. But you are so brainwashed by idiot pundits you wouldn't know what the facts are anymore.

Romney should have never gotten

Romney should never gotten the government so deeply involved in health care. He should have kept the state out of the healtn care business. Anyone with any sense at all knows that government run programs are totally inefficient and too costly. He knew what kind of legislature he had and what they would do with the system.

The Liberal Mass Legislature did not need Romney

They could pass the law without him, he just tried to get it as privatized as possible. Maybe he knew it would have been worse as in fully socialized. Regardless his plan was no where near the one that resulted.

Romney

If the legislature didn't need him, he shouldn't have thrown in with them

McCain is up against the same herd mentality charge with voting for the bailout.

Underdog & Pitbull 08

 

He didn't

He tried to veto anything that would cause a financial problem.

Blonde how much money did you lose in the stock market?

Excuse me while I LMAO.

Not a dime, smartass.

Care to try again, you illiterate slut? 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

What no 401k?

No investments at all? Or do you just profit off of government backed subsidies and my tax dollar.

Ooooh....the illiterate slut is thrashing

Ha ha!

Keep it up. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

At least the money I make is honest

I don't abuse the tax payer to make a buck. So what no 401k? Is the economic illiterate in denial?

Hey illiterate slut

Could of, would of, should of....that's about your speed, huh?

Can't write in English....

Keep thrashing there, you illiterate. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

401k? Do you have one.

Why can you not answer a question. Is the truth too embarrassing?

Wazza matta, Pop?

Trashing Sarah Palin not working out too well for you tonite, huh?

I already answered the question.....illiterate bugger.

So keep on making stuff up. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Sarah Palin is an economic illiterate and a horrible mother

Only irresponsible parents could defend someone who lets their 17 year old daughter get knocked up.

You have yet to make one point and no you never answer the question do you have a 401k? Simple answer yes or no.

So sorry, illiterate man.

You ought to know by this point in time that I never defend that which I didn't say.

So, you can keep it up all night.

Weren't you the one who said you never answered anything on the internet?   Hmmmm? 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

But you are not that bright

I don't answer anything on the Internet that could reveal anything about me. But you on the other hand are not that bright. This just furthers that point since answering if you have a 401k or not is irrelevant to any privacy. I for one don't have a 401k.

I've got one PopTech

And it's 9.5% better today than it's ever been.

Love this market fluctuation.

Underdog & Pitbull 08

I just have a lot of money and diversified physical assests

I bet yours though is personally designed.

»→ Sort of, PopTech

I can move it once a day.

Underdog & Pitbull 08

Hey Cool... I thought

Hey Cool...

I thought about you today when I saw the DOW close at what it did...so far you went back in at the right time...you slick fella' you...

I see where the Asian market is up still...the next three days are going to be very interesting.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Thanks bt

It was a close call Friday, but a 3% drop on a Friday sort of told me there weren't a lot of people bailing suddenly.

I let it ride over the weekend, and it was up 12.25 by market close today.

Underdog & Pitbull 08

Well yeah...I agree about

Well yeah...I agree about Friday...but when we were all posting furiously, I know some of us thought the upcoming G-7 meeting and now the big pow-wow with the banks...here and internationally would tell all this week, tomorrow and the next day are going to be very interesting to see what happens, I myself think it was getting close to the bottom of where the market was going to go anyway on Friday...but wiser people than me know far more...I have always been fascinated with the market since the Clintons came in...so I try here and there to learn what I can, when I can, it is nothing but filled with pure politics..of course....that the problem with the govt. intervention and laws/rules for years now in my opinion.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

»→ The market

I seem to have good fortune while the government is meddling.  It just has a feel of predictability.

Underdog & Pitbull 08

All quiet on the economic illiterate front...

Keep spinning away from the argument while you stay in denial.

Who's illiterate?

That would be you, with your third grade grammar, dude! 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

No the economic illiterate is you

Blonde, you are sad person who makes a living off government subsidies for your recycling contracts by abusing the tax payer. At least I can sleep at night knowing mispelling a word is not robbing my fellow neighbor of their hard earned money.

Keep it up, illiterate man

Not a shred of anything other than your own delusions here.

BTW, you didn't mis-spell a word....you used third grade grammar.  Like a ten year old.

Illiterate you are, illiterate you shall remain. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

How are the mortgage payments coming along?

Maybe McCain or Obama can help you with them. I don't need the help fully owning my own house.

Illiterate you are, and shall remain

Stupid, and presumptive, as well.

Nicely done.

You're batting a thousand tonite on the idiot board. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Can't answer questions

I understand these questions are too much for you. I take it you don't even make enough to own a house. What are you not getting enough subsidized contracts to bleed the tax payer?

You understand nothing, illiterate slut

But you are a presumptuous puppy. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Try answering questions Blonde

Your pathetic responses are getting old and more and more meaningless.

As are your pathetic presumptions, puppy.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

No Answer again

Yawn

Blonde still have a mortgage? I don't.

Hey, why not go ask Noel for some economic advice, he has friends who went bankrupt - I am sure they can help you.

Hey is McCain going to veto Earmarks or Vote for them?

I thought the economic illiterate McCain was going to veto earmarks while he votes for them in the bailout? Interesting how McCain lies.

Blonde, what no comment on McCain's indefensible position?

McCain was against earmarks before he was for them.

Not only illiterate...but stupid, too!

Exactly how did you confuse me for a McCain surrogate, illiterate PopT? 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Oh you are only a Palin lacky and support capping carbon

It is good to play identity politics, it makes you just like the Democrats. I am glad you support capping carbon too it makes your economic credentials so much more laughable.

More of your delusions

You ignorant mutt....prove it.

As we used to be fond of saying.....link or slink.

Slink away, ignorati! 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Prove what?

More sense, less emotion.

For someone with such a big mouth

You are extremely short of proof, illiterate puppy.

Proof is yours to make, puppy.

All of the allegations you made about me, what I supposedly said, whom I supported, and such.

I'll be waiting. Until the 12th of Never, I suspect. For you, mysoginistic illiterati.

Later, Pop.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

You only rabidly defend the economic illiterate Palin

...but don't support her? LMAO.

PT doesn't need proof, he

PT doesn't need proof, he just has to...

call you an idiot and say he has all this money and you're a moron and Palin sux and Noel doesn't know how to run an business and you don't have the credentials, and Palin doesn't have the credentials, and he has mutliple businesses all in the black and he's paid off all of his homes and cars and kids college tuition and you are stupid and a socialist and a burden to the taxpayers and Romney rules and you support an affirmative action candidate and you are a stupid idiot and you are a fanboy and part of the collective and I'm right and sling non-sequiturs.

 

"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."

--The "Dooper

LOL.....Perfect!

(Wish I knew how to do an emoticon for throwing a kiss!). 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

LOL... Perfect Lies and Half Truths

For the truth read below...

Then the reality...

I have money, payed off my house and cars. Though I will probably be buying a new one soon once they drop in price. My kids are not in college yet but their private school tuition is payed up for the year. I have run multiple businesses (not at the same time) and currently just run one privately. My business is beyond in the black. Why do you think I have so much free time to waste here?

Romney was just one of the better choices if not best out of the options, far better than the incompetent Palin. Yes Bush is a fiscal socialist and McCain an economic illiterate. Ron Paul or Rudy would have both been much better choices than either McCain or Palin.

Blonde

 All us illiterate puppies, including illiterate sick-puppies, are highly offended at being compared to Poop Deck.

I think I’ll crawl under the bed and whine for a while.

 

Barry should have studied Murphy’s Laws of Combat. Sin Loy.  

If you can't remember . . . the claymore is probably pointed at you.   Murphy’s Laws of Combat

Abject apologies, young pup

I'll figure out something else.

Come out, come out, wherever you are.

:) 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde

 Ok,  better now.

I'm going to look for a bone to chew on.  (Pups are easy to please ya know)

 

Barry should have studied Murphy’s Laws of Combat. Sin Loy.  

If you can't remember . . . the claymore is probably pointed at you.   Murphy’s Laws of Combat

Not so PT

The MSM had Romney's number and were loaded for bear. Gov. Palin blindsided them and got the drop on them. She has them shaking in their boots.

That is a nice fantasy

Too bad her journalism degree speaks otherwise.

»→ Romney

Romney was an easy target.

Underdog & Pitbull 08

PT... I know you hate

PT...

I know you hate being wrong, but on this one you are most definately wrong. Romney would not have been a good choice. Sarah can easily represent Conservatives in her sleep, while Romney would have to do some homework before he would be convincing enough for most Conservatives to vote for him.

Romney may have vetoed parts of the bill and got over-turned, but he did sign it and the damage was done. Now the state of Mass is going bankrupt due to his signing off on a Socialist program. The state of Mass is in line with the state of California in wanting billions from you and I to bail them out. I say no, but I'm only one guy.

Why Obama Scares The Crap Out Of Me

 

 

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Wrong, He Vetoed them when he signed it

He signed it with the line item vetoes - the Mass. Legislature overturned ALL OF THEM, like they did with almost all his vetoes. Mass is as far-left liberal a state as they come.

Romney Vetoed Eight Sections of the Health Care Legislation, including:

- Romney Vetoed providing dental benefits to poor residents on the Medicaid program
- Romney Vetoed providing health coverage to senior and disabled legal immigrants not eligible for federal Medicaid
- Romney Vetoed expanding MassHealth (Medicaid) coverage to low-income children
- Romney Vetoed restoring funding for public health programs
- Romney Vetoed adding a provision charging firms with 11 or more workers that do not provide "fair and reasonable" health coverage to their
workers

All Eight Vetoes Were Overturned

The legislature also rejected Governor Romney's proposal to permit even higher-deductible, lower benefit health plans.

»→ Veto power

Where's the part where he vetoed the fifty buck abortion?

Him being such a staunch pro-lifer this week, and all that.

Underdog & Pitbull 08

How Evangelicals destroyed the economy

If not for evangelicals, we would never have gotten single issue candidates (Huckabee) who destroyed the primaries or "compassionate conservatism" (socialism) from Bush which destroyed the economy.

Bush: Expanding Home Ownership (The White House)

"This Administration will constantly strive to promote an ownership society in America. We want more people owning their own home. It is in our national interest that more people own their own home. After all, if you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our country."
- President George W. Bush, December 16, 2003

American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003 (HR 1276)
American Dream Downpayment Act: Fiscally Irresponsible and Redundant to Existing Homeownership Programs (Ronald D. Utt, Ph.D. Economics)
Bush's 'American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003' (Lew Rockwell)
Bush 'No Money Down' - Tax Payers Will Pay (Video) (6min)
Bush seeks to increase minority homeownership (USA Today)

Zero Down Payment Act of 2004 (H.R. 3755)
Congress's Risky Zero Down Payment Plan Will Undermine FHA's Soundness and Discourage Self-Reliance (Ronald D. Utt, Ph.D. Economics)
Zero Down for the American Dream (Ron Paul, Economist)

The abortion lie is so old

$50 Abortions:

Romney never pushed for taxpayer funding for abortions. The state law he signed left decisions about what should be covered to an independent body, the Commonwealth Connector. It was that body, not Romney, that ruled that abortions would be covered.

In truth, the state had little choice but to cover abortions. The state Supreme Court had ruled in 1980 that the Massachusetts Constitution confers on Massachusetts women an even broader right to abortion than does the U.S. Constitution. It restated in a 1997 decision that the state must pay for medically necessary abortions if it pays for all other medically necessary procedures including services in connection with childbirth.

It is possible to argue that Romney might have put up a public fight to narrow the abortion coverage had he chosen to do so, or that the Commonwealth Connector decided to cover more than is "medically necessary." But it is simply false for McCain to claim that "Romney provided taxpayer funded abortions" when taxpayers had been ordered by the courts to pay for them long before Romney took office.

Please provide the document that Romney signed that says he endorsed $50 abortions.

»→ Pure rationalization

Excuses for the cheap abortions.

Excuses for the taxes he called fees.

Excuses for Romney's racist belief up until age 31 when his church told him blacks are finally as good as whites.

Yeah, I can see that conversation taking place right now.

Underdog & Pitbull 08

All you have are made up lies

Please provide the document that Romney signed that offered $50 Abortions.

Fees are not taxes, making the cost of a service equal to it's fee actually LOWERS taxes by not subsidizing it. This is economics 101.

Please provide the evidence that Romney was a racist.

This is really pathetic.

 

»→ I love it PT

We've been through this before.  You lost then, you lose now.

I'll just answer the racist part for you because it's the most damning.

Sorry if you believe it's OK to think you're better than blacks as long as your church tells you to, but a real man would recognize such doctrine as foolishness steeped in old race hatred from way back.

It's easy enough to research, but you won't do it.  And you won't research, or reason through, the fact that a raise in the cost of fees is passed on to the consumer.  Doesn't fit into your current discussion, though it would fit very nicely into others.

And finally, you were the one who pointed out the line item veto.  Romney could have sent the bill back requiring a stipulation for fifty buck abortions and, upon its specific inclusion, vetoed it.

Instead, Romney bought off on something only an idiot wouldn't have known was either stated or implied.

Underdog & Pitbull 08

 

Are you serious? Are you that dishonest?

We were over this before and you lost because all you have are lies.

He cried because he was happy not because he was sad it happened. Sorry if you want to lie and try to bring racial politics into this that makes you beyond pathetic. You have yet to demonstrate he was a racist.

What happened to all the "real men" before the 1960s? Go peddle your BS to sucker evangelicals who are too stupid to know any better.

If a service is subsidized through taxation because the fee is less than the cost then raising the fee REDUCES taxes.

Again do you have a document that Romney signed appoving $50 abortions.

 

»→ Good try PT

But you know that's not what I said or implied.

Romney, a 31 year old grown man, complied quietly with the prophecy of his church that blacks were inferior.

I didn't say he liked it.  I'm just saying a real man would have walked away from such an abominable teaching.  On second thought, he would have shouted "Reject this teaching, or I'm outta this church"

Instead he lives with having done nothing.  Who the hell cares if he wept?  Maybe he wept because he knew he should have stood up when it mattered,

Either way, I'd bet he has never been proud of his inaction.

Underdog & Pitbull 08

Be honest, are there some

Be honest, are there some things your relgion teaches, that you don't quite understand but you still have faith in that religion?

I have been a member all my life, and I do not recall ever being taught that the Black Man was inferior, as you implied.  Again, is a church sexist when they don't allow women the Priesthood?  How about Jesus in Matthew 15: 24,26?  What about those Levites?  I don't remember seeing any Blacks in the picture of the last supper!  Oh my!  Christianity is Racist!

How about those churches that refused a Black man to sit in their congregation?  Are they racist?  And yet with the LDS church, they were baptized and welcomed in their churches as brothers and sisters.

»→ That's great

How about those churches that refused a Black man to sit in their congregation?  Are they racist?

Well, DUH!  Of course they are racist.

You can excuse bad behavior with similar bad behavior all you want, but it doesn't clean up the original charge one iota.

Not a very good defense there.  

If you are comfortable with racist teachings, it's your business.  But if you run for office, I've got a right to question those teachings you hold as a bishop of your church.

This one's settled.  "Others do it too" is weak.  Really weak.

Underdog & Pitbull 08

And yet it wouldn't

And yet it wouldn't surprise me if your church was guilty of forbidding Blacks to sit with Whites, as many of the churches of the South did.  How is it you charge my church whenever you get a chance, but I have yet to see you call these other churches for the blantently racist behavior?

I never said I condoned those churches behavior btw, never made the claim that others do it too therefore my religion is ok.  Because fact is my church never barred a Black man to sit next to a white, fact is my Church still baptized the Black Man, where other churches refused.  Again you claim because we didn't give them the priesthood that makes us racist, yet ignore the fact that that would make God a racist for only giving the Priesthood to not just any Israelite, but only the Levites.  Or Christ is racist because he called a non-Jew a Dog and refused to bless her because she was not considered a lost sheep of the house of Israel.  You see, if you don't understand, God appears to be racist...even though he is no respecter of persons.  We each are called to do different things.  There are a lot of things God says that I don't understand, but I do my best to follow.  Do you claim to have a full understanding of God's will?  If so, please tell me why Abraham was chosen?  I mean didn't he get a girl that could pass off as his grand daughter pregnant, and eventually send her on her way? I mean seriously, he was a small fry sheep herder, why trust his gospel to him?  And not the Chinese or the Black or the Egyptian?  Why Moses for that matter, I mean he was a convicted murderer!  A cop killer...and despite PT's requirement that who God calls must speak well, Moses could not speak well!  You see, there are things God requires, that don't make a whole lot of sense, that is why they call it faith.

»→ Yup

Yup, more of the same excusing bad behavior by pointing to the behavior of others.

And I'm happy to say that all my conscious life, blacks have been welcome in the churches I've attended.  I certainly haven't carried an embrace of such a teaching into my adult life, As Mitt Romney did.

I don't have to live with Mitt's excuses.  But he does, and anyone who saw the inequity and did nothing must admit some complicity as well.

We disagree.

out.

Underdog & Pitbull 08

you avoided my questions

you avoided my questions cool arrow and again claim something that isn't true.  Blacks were always allowed in our church.  So please tell me more  of understanding of God's will, please, since you are so wise and knowledgeable and seem to have the authority to judge all the members of a religion as racist idiots.  Note I wasn't excusing Moses and Abraham's behavior, I was using their history to show plainly your hypocrisy.

But go ahead and deflect cool arrow, it sure makes it easier to live with your own excuses your own inequity so you don't have to admit your own complicity.

Ignorant Evangelicals Peddle their Hate and Propaganda

Evangelicals being this ignorant about Romney does not surprise me anymore.

It is so sad that you can post here blatant lies to try and defame the man as a Racist because you are too weak minded about your own religious beliefs.

It is weak minded people such as yourself that spread lies out of their own personal fear and insecurities. Your religion is no better than anyone elses.

Try for once to be honest in life.

Romney

You should read your own link cool arrow, because if anything it proves Romeny wasn't a racist, even though you like to imply the LDS church was racist.

Oh and btw, I assume that those religions that bar women from having the priesthood are sexist?  Or how about the Isralites, where only 1/12 of the people received the priesthood to do ordinances in the temple, the Levites.  So was God racist back then too?  Was Jesus a racist? ( Matthew 15:24, 26 ).  Do yourself a favor, attack Romney for Romney's foibles ( there are many ) but leave his religion out of it. 

»→ No PT

I attacked Romney for his character flaw of blindly following a foolish teaching.

Let me see.  The Jews are the chosen people.  Got no problem believing God can do what he knows is best.

You, on the other hand, seem to be buying into that whole "Mark of Cain" nonsense.

And if I believed women should be allowed the priesthood, I'd either demand it, or walk out.

I've turned away from what I thought was a false religion before.  Did so immediately upon coming to an understanding of that false doctrine.  Got no sympathy for those who can't.

Underdog & Pitbull 08

Cool, PT...what did I miss???

I've been working on my Resume for a Job Fair ...

Are you 2 in a TIFF???  Wish I could make this a Threesome...but some would start asking questions.

Religion...hmmmmm...I don't believe in ANYTHING that requires you to wake up at 9am on a Sunday....unless its a tailgate party...or I didn't goto bed yet from Sat. night. <sarc>

Ster.

Foolish teaching because

Foolish teaching because you are God and therefore know?  Jews are the chosen people, but that can't be racist?  On the one hand we have the understanding that God isn't a respecter of persons, yet the Jews are the Chosen people...how can that not be considered racist?

Its only nonsense because you don't believe in the religion, that is fine.  Romney believes that Joseph Smith was a prophet, believes in the Book of Mormon, believes in God, and so sometimes God says here is how it is, and it doesn't make sense, but you still stick with it because you believe.  There is no shame in that.

Btw, I don't think God is a racist, even though there are times if you look at his interactions with us that our goggles get a little foggy and we can't see as well as God, wouldn't you agree?

»→ How long is always?

Chiseled in stone.  Sorry.   It's forever, or the prophet is a LIAR.

BRIGHAM YOUNG
Journal of Discourses

Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African Race?
If the White man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the
seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot.
This will always be so.

You trying to tell me Mitt didn't know the origin as well as the evolution of these teachings through the years?

Spare me.

Underdog & Pitbull 08

show me where members of

show me where members of the church killed a person ( under the order of the authority of the church ) because they mixed their blood? ( sounds vaguely familiar to DEUTERONOMY 7:3 ) Could it be he was talking spiritual death?  At the time, Blacks could not hold the priesthood, and therefore the family didn't have direct access to the blessings of having the priesthood.  

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Further in the discourses he says "...and they will be, until that curse is
removed."( in answer to your question how long is always.  It seems your agenda to paint my religion as racist has made you is similiar to the media's agenda / attacks with Palin, in that you take things out of context, twist the facts and use whatever opportunity to smear, so that somehow your religion would look all the more charming.  )

Lastly, I will not pretend that I understand the Black issues, anymore that I understand the polygamy issues, other than it isn't new...the early Israelites practiced polygamy and practiced giving the Priesthood to a very select few.  I do not consider myself to be a racist, far from it, even though you love to paint me as one, because I, like Romney are Mormons.  I guess I'm a sexist too since I believe in a church that doesn't give the priesthood to women...whatever, second thought cool arrow, go ahead and apply all your labels and what not at me, call me a liar and a fool.  I will continue to practice my faith in Christ as I understand it.

»→ OK

So Mitt believes they were cursed by God until 1978.

Is that your position?  Sell that to the electorate!  This is more condescendingly damning than I thought.

Mighty (toothpaste) of them, wouldn't you say.

last word.

out.

Underdog & Pitbull 08

Just like gentiles were

Just like gentiles were cursed until around 32 AD, sell that to the electorate!  This is more condescendingly  damning than I thought!  And the majority of the Christian churches are still sexist.  Mighty ( toothpaste) of them, wouldn't you say?  And last time I checked most Christian churches were against Gay Marriage, how do you sleep at night?