Both CBS "Evening News" anchor Katie Couric and "Early Show" co-host Harry Smith portrayed Valerie Plame and her husband, Joe Wilson, as innocent victims, even though Plame admitted to being "partisan" in a "60 Minutes" interview with Couric on Sunday.
On Friday’s "Early Show," Smith opened a segment previewing the upcoming interview by explaining that, "Valerie Plame spent nearly 20 years in the shadows of the CIA. Then suddenly, she became a public figure." He later played a clip of the interview in which Couric exclaimed how "18 years of meticulously crafted cover were gone in an instant." Strangely there was no mention of the "Vanity Fair" photo op that Plame and her husband posed for, which Couric asked about in the "60 Minutes" interview:
COURIC: An investigation was launched. But as it dragged on, the Wilsons hardly kept a low profile, appearing at glamorous public events, political fund-raisers for the Democratic Party, and in "Vanity Fair" magazine. You know, you're a covert C.I.A. agent for "x" number of years, and suddenly, you know, you're in this Greta Garbo pose in your husband's jaguar.
PLAME: It was more trouble than it was worth. And it was... I was not interviewed for the article. I was not identifiable. The damage had already been done.
On Monday’s "Early Show" Smith once again presented a segment on the interview and played a portion where "...Plame talks about the sensitive nature of her work, which was compromised when her name was illegally leaked." He then set up the next clip by saying, "Valerie Plame, of course, is married to former ambassador Joe Wilson, and the two of them are still deeply, deeply hurt by this entire experience...Take a look at this." In the clip that followed Joe Wilson proceeded to condemn the "mafia-like" tactics of the Bush Administration.
While Couric deserved credit for asking a few challenging questions of Plame, the rest of the "60 Minutes" interview was not so probing. The sympathetic anchor began the interview as she declared that "As a CIA spy, Valerie Plame Wilson wasn't allowed to defend herself, maintaining her silence for four long years until tonight." Really? Than I guess Joe Wilson’s role as an advisor to the Kerry Campaign, that "Vanity Fair" article, and Plame’s testimony before Congress, which Couric reported on, are Katie’s idea of being "silent."
Couric later summed up Plame’s conspiracy theory about the controversy by saying that, "She believes her identity was leaked in a newspaper because her husband, who had gone on a fact-finding mission for the CIA before the Iraq war, publicly accused the president and others of lying to justify the invasion." Well, we already know that Katie agrees with that assessment, after her September 25 declaration that "People in this country were misled in terms of the rationale for war." Sounds eerily similar, does it not?
Couric then painted numerous Administration officials as being responsible for the leak of Plame’s name, despite only Richard Armitage being cited as a source for the Novak column that sparked the controversy:
Eventually, the leak of her name was traced all the way back to the Vice President's office...The special prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, found evidence there were four leakers: Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage; the Vice President's Chief of Staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby; President Bush's closest confidante, Karl Rove; and White House spokesman Ari Fleischer...Fitzgerald said that, by lying, Libby had prevented him from getting to the bottom of the leak, and he said quote: "There is a cloud over the Vice President and there is a cloud over the White House."
If only "clouds" were actually admissible in court.
Finally, at the conclusion of the interview, Couric took the liberty of presuming the guilt of President Bush in the controversy: "When all is said and done, the top aides to both the president and the vice president leaked your name to reporters. Do you think President Bush was in on this?" Plame responded:
I don't know about that. But I, like most other Americans, saw President Bush say on TV that he would fire anyone from his administration found to be involved in the leak of my name. It turns out the president is not a man of his word.
You can read the full "60 Minutes" transcript here.
Here is the full transcript of this morning’s 7:18am "Early Show" segment:
HARRY SMITH: Good morning, again. I'm Harry Smith. You're watching the "Early Show"on CBS. Valerie Plame, the CIA agent at the center of a White House scandal, spoke out for the first time in an interview with Katie Couric on last night's "60 Minutes." This morning we want to bring you more of that interview, as Plame talks about the sensitive nature of her work, which was compromised when her name was illegally leaked. She says a classified ad clipped out by her mother led her to the CIA right out of college.
VALERIE PLAME: The ad said things like "serve your country" and "Have you traveled abroad?," and "Do you speak any foreign languages?"
KATIE COURIC: At The Farm, the CIA's training camp in rural Virginia, she learned how to recruit foreign agents, or assets, the actual spies.
PLAME: Yes, I am a spy, but within the agency, we would never call ourselves spies. We are the spymasters, if you will, the operations officers. We're the ones who are directing.
COURIC: What are some of the risks for the agents you recruit?
PLAME: Oh. In the most extreme case, it's our life, of course. They are putting their lives in our hands. And that -- that is the real damage of what has happened in this whole leak affair. Because of agents in my career that have been associated with me at some point or another, it places them into great jeopardy, and that is the real damage done to national security. And when you -- I think about going out from here, maybe there's someone out there who has really critical information that would help the United States of America, and they're saying to themselves, you know what, I'd like to approach that person that I know is, you know, a little special, a little different, but you know, they couldn't even protect one of their own officers. So maybe I'll go off and sell my information to the Russians instead. That's the tragedy.
COURIC: You believe your name being public will have a chilling effect on the ability to recruit other agents.
PLAME: Indeed. That is the true damage done by this affair.
SMITH: Valerie Plame, of course, is married to former ambassador Joe Wilson, and the two of them are still deeply, deeply hurt by this entire experience. This is another clip from the interview I want to show you. Take a look at this.
JOE WILSON: It was a mafia-like tactic. And the idea of going after your family, even in Washington, was an outrage. Nobody went after Karl Rove's family. Nobody went after "Scooter" Libby's family. They went after my family.
COURIC: In all fairness, Karl Rove's wife doesn't work for the CIA.
WILSON: How do you know?
COURIC: "Scooter" Libby's wife doesn't work for the CIA.
WILSON: How do you know? How do you know?
COURIC: I don't know for sure, but I think it's a safe assumption.
WILSON: Yeah, you don't know. And we don't know what they did. Because nobody went after heir families, and that's the way it should be. That's the way it should be.
COURIC: You are still seething.
WILSON: Oh, I think absolutely, absolutely. I'm seething because it was a --first and foremost, it was a great betrayal of the national security of the country.
SMITH: Of course, there is more available from the interview on our website. If you go to the "60 Minutes" website, you can see excerpts from the interview that were not included on the show last night. Really, really quite a story.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.















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Valerie Plame Should be in Prison
October 22, 2007 - 16:08 ET by Lame CherryValerie Plame sent Joe Wilson to Niger to cover up the "oil for food Iraq program" where this part of the oil was billions of dollars sent to socialist France to convert yellow cake to the 1.77 tons of weapons grade uranium the US found and hauled out of Iraq. (Check news stories on this as the 1.77 tons is listed as WEAPONS GRADE.)
The reason Plame did this was to cover the threads of money leading back into the Chase Manhattan Bank of Rockefeller origins who were like most globalists raping through Saddam Iraq of billions.
Plame's bosses are the Rockefeller cartel and she was covering for Bill and Hillary her next higher ups on the ladder as they got around 60 million from kickbacks in keeping Saddam in power by the money Marc Rich was laundering for the world out of Iraq.......that is why Rich got his pardon.......and Val got her book deals as paybacks.
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LC...Exactly!Here is
October 22, 2007 - 16:16 ET by bigtimerLC...
Exactly!
Here is an excellent link/story I posted a few times quite awhile back about the whole ordeal and scam the Wilsons were/are in.
It has been past disgusting that this has not been looked deeper into and charges brought.
'The French Connection' this is from The American Thinker by the way.
I'm seething because it was
October 22, 2007 - 16:19 ET by drillanwrI'm seething because it was a --first and foremost, it was a great betrayal of the national security of the country.
Puhleeze!
If Gal Flame/Getsome is the best the CIA had/has to offer in the way of "national security", we're ALL up Crap Creek without a paddle ...
WE are the VICTIMS of the continued narcissism of these two, and the lying media that keep kissing their butts.
Yes, from working in the
October 22, 2007 - 16:23 ET by Chris NormanYes, from working in the basement and backroom of the CIA to being a media darling, stylish and chic on the covers of news magazines, with a book deal, and trading small talk with Katie Couric. Ms. Plame has surely suffered horribly. I bet the foreign spies are just lining up to get her...
Bozell said it best:
October 22, 2007 - 19:30 ET by TruthMongerBozell said it best: suddenly the left is worried about damage to the CIA? It was laughable from the start
Valerie is not on the NOC list - I have it right here in front of me (karl rove fax)
NOC's don't drive through the gate to Langley everyday - can't do much high-quality spying at CIA HQ now can you? They live far behind enemy lines and "officially" work for the KGB or Hezbollah or Al Jazeera or Al Queda - not the CIA
ridiculous
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This is classic MSM turd
October 22, 2007 - 16:26 ET by fitzfongThis is classic MSM turd polishing. In reality, Wilson and wife are damaged goods...no serious candidate would touch these parasites with a ten foot pole, yet journalistic frauds like Katie Couric will stubbornly try to repair their images. Keep spinning your wheels, Katie. You're not bringing up the rear for nothing.
By the way, Val, once you get in the habit of lying, it becomes an addiction. You know full well that President Bush didn't promise to fire anyone "involved in the leak". He said that if anyone in his administration had broken the law, he would terminate them. Scooter Libby was convicted of breaking the law, but anyone with at least half a brain knows that that trial was rigged...it was a fraud. Of course, knowing what crooks you and your fat husband are, facts never should get in the way of a good story.
He said that if anyone in
October 22, 2007 - 18:58 ET by motherbeltHe said that if anyone in his administration had broken the law, he would terminate them.
Thanks for bringing that up, fitz. Every time I would hear some talking head or Cindy Sheehan wannabe whining that Bush said if anyone leaked her name they would be fired, I've wanted to throw a shoe at the TV! That was one of those canards that just wouldn't go away, and still hasn't.
Every time I would hear
October 22, 2007 - 20:22 ET by fitzfongEvery time I would hear some talking head or Cindy Sheehan wannabe whining that Bush said if anyone leaked her name they would be fired, I've wanted to throw a shoe at the TV!
Me, too motherbelt.
The special prosecutor,
October 22, 2007 - 16:30 ET by rimskyThe special prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, found evidence there were four leakers: Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage; the Vice President's Chief of Staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby; President Bush's closest confidante, Karl Rove; and White House spokesman Ari Fleischer...
Could CBS and KC get sued for statements like this? Except for that scumbag Armitage, what she said here sounds like a defaming lie.
Mr. Fitzgerald knew about
October 22, 2007 - 16:47 ET by JackrvMr. Fitzgerald knew about Mr. Amitage from the beginning and he couldn't get to the bottom of it?
Jack Van Nostrand
Armitage (a state
October 22, 2007 - 20:35 ET by TruthMongerArmitage (a state department Bush opponent at the time) has been officially declared the leaker
he apparently did not know if she was "covert/NOC" or not
No one but a very select few in the company can ever know (even Presidents and VP's don't get to see the NOC list) - even the CIA will always deny NOC names publicly - we will never officially know if Valerie was a NOC
As for working for the CIA she drove through the Langley gate every day to work - not very hard to figure out she works for the CIA then is it?
It was a fabricated DNC Bush-bashing payback extravaganza and nothing more
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From what I understand,
October 22, 2007 - 18:11 ET by MikeBFrom what I understand, Valerie Plaming Idiot was "covert" only to Americans. Aldridge Ames shopped her identity to the KGB years ago. That is why she was brought back to the states. She had not been covert overseas for over 5 years. She was not covered under the Act. She managed to have her photo and bio published in Vanity Fair, long before all this crap came up. And, it was Richard Armitage who mentioned her name to reporters, not Libby, not Rove, and not Fleischer.
Again, as I understand it, CIA employees who work in a covert capacity gathering intelligence overseas are not "agents", but "officers". "Agents" are the locals who work for the "officers". "Spies" are the people on the other side doing the work our "officers" do.
It seems to me that those who claim to be "agents" for CIA, are like those in the military, who maybe worked as a company clerk, but bragged about being Rangers, or Seals, or "Green Berets". The real ones don't talk about it.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
NOC's are planted as the
October 22, 2007 - 20:41 ET by TruthMongerNOC's are planted as the "spies" you refer to
Officers and agents are "officially" recognized by the agency - NOC's are not ever officially recognized - at least publicly anyway
They can't be outted as a NOC by a state department official like Armitage at any rate
A former CIA director could try it via publicity, but the CIA would never confirm it
the NOC would likely be killed anyway just in case
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How secret was she?
October 22, 2007 - 21:04 ET by okiehawk44by her own admission, on a "date" she told joe she was an agent or officer or something with the cia that was top secret -- she now also says only a small handfull of people knew or were allowed to know -- did that include a "date"? she and joe say it was all ok because he had some type of secret clearance as a state dept employee -- huh? are they saying that all people with security clearances also have a "need to know" built in to that? i'll bet she told everyone she came in contact with that she was a "cia agent".
if that's what she claims
October 22, 2007 - 21:12 ET by TruthMongerif that's what she claims then she was no NOC
how she even got into the CIA boggles the mind
a purty girl like that gets ahead somehow, sometimes...?
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wrong, wrong, wrong
October 23, 2007 - 00:14 ET by chuckoWrong on all acounts, as I've tried to explain elsewhere in this post. Do your homework on this case (Libby trial transcripts, Scooter's indictment from two years ago this very month) - and don't believe a word from Novak, Toensing, etc. Listen to Patrick Fitzgerald, Michael Isikoff, Bill Harlow, Valerie's former colleague Larry Johnson - people who know what they're talking about (and the truth, as much as we can get of it in this case).
The BIG unanswered question...
October 22, 2007 - 16:54 ET by m4ster chiefSOMEBODY in NewsBusters has to know this...
(But first, I know that nobody who works for the CIA, even the janitors, goes around wearing a nametag identifying them as a CIA employee, so I accept that everyone there is "confidential.")
That said, has it even been settled whether or not Valerie Plame was in fact a James Bond-type secret agent, or was she an analyst who just occupied a cubicle on the third floor, for instance, until being promoted to 2nd Deputy Assistant to the Assistant 3rd Deputy for Purchasing of Paperclips?
Inquiring mimes want to know!
has it even been settled
October 22, 2007 - 17:07 ET by drillanwrhas it even been settled whether or not Valerie Plame was in fact a James Bond-type secret agent
I believe Waxman asked Val gal that in the hearing ... and I believe she said she didn't know ...
I don't have the time to go through the text right now myself, sir, but here's the link to her testimony:
http://yargb.blogspot.com/2007/03/transcript-of-plame-testimony.html
that can never be answered
October 22, 2007 - 20:58 ET by TruthMongerthat can never be answered publicly - NOC's are never officially acknowledged by the CIA:(
it's the perfect crime - we can't prove she's wrong - and we all know the libs don't need truth for any purpose whatsoever
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That is probably exactly
October 22, 2007 - 17:48 ET by cleverpigThat is probably exactly what she is talking about when she says she can't defend herself.
From the beginning everyone who didn't like her story has been fond of claiming that she isn't a real CIA agent, because if she isn't a real CIA agent then it's okay to question her patriotism and call her a whiner.
That is exactly the sort of thing that real CIA agents are not allowed to give any specifics about. She can't defend herself by giving any information about anything she's done, because it's secret!
Victoria Toensig, who wrote
October 22, 2007 - 17:57 ET by fitzfongVictoria Toensig, who wrote the provision in the law covering covert status of CIA Agents said that Valerie Plame was, by definition, NOT a covert agent. The Wilsons are lying parasites deserving of nothing but universal contempt.
Oh, come on, CPig...
October 22, 2007 - 18:45 ET by m4ster chiefPig, you need to get your snout up out of that trough sometimes and look around. You're wrong and not only can I prove it, YOU can prove it, too. Here it is:
Go to your local library and look at the "biography" and "autobiography" sections. Count how many books are by former CIA agents, NSA agents, Naval Intelligence, etc. I could count them on my fingers and toes...if I had about forty of each. If you challenge me on it, I'll go tomorrow and get names and titles...but somebody neutral will have to hold the money.
If a former deep cover agent wants to write a book, with a subsequent four-month talk show circuit, all they have to do is get the prior approval of CIA. There is a special office there that does just that.
Regards,
Agent X
I own one of those books,
October 23, 2007 - 22:57 ET by cleverpigI own one of those books, by Agee. He specifically says that he believes his story violates the secrecy agreement that he signed. In any case, the fact that you can get permission doesn't mean that she did. If everyone's request was granted, they wouldn't really need an office for it, would they?
The point is, you can't prove that she wasn't, she can't prove she was. You think it's pretty convenient for her, she probably thinks it's pretty damn frustrating!
I for one am sick to death
October 22, 2007 - 18:54 ET by motherbeltI for one am sick to death of seeing and Valerie Plame and her husband everywhere, whining about how they have to shut up and stay in hiding.
Santa Fe
October 22, 2007 - 21:11 ET by okiehawk44i know a little of that town and that couple is not in hiding -- seen everywhere and attending THE best parties -- they'll be gone in 5 years like the others -- watch out Montana. Nixon's Erlichman, Donald Rumsfeld, etc have all made the Santa Fe scene man!
Was Plame "covert"...?
October 22, 2007 - 21:15 ET by JerWas Plame "covert"...?
It's a close question. I believe it was stipulated at the Libby trial that she was covert, and it has been reported that the interim CIA director has agreed with that characterization.
On the other hand, Toensing, a Republican activist, disputes that assessment, and she did indeed assist in drafting the applicable statute.
On balance, I would lean toward the interpretation that Plame was not covert at the time of her outing, but it's definitely not cut and dried.
Jer
"On the other hand,
October 22, 2007 - 22:03 ET by stratman"On the other hand, Toensing, a Republican activist..."
Not sure why you label her an "activist". In the eyes of Liberals, I don't see a "Republican activist" with this history:
Sounds like every Liberal, actually every American, should be proud of what Ms. Toensing did.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
strat...I based my
October 22, 2007 - 23:18 ET by Jerstrat...I based my "activist" description on the basis of having seen both Victoria and her husband, Joe DeGeneva, on MSNBC numerous times during the 90's [I believe one or both may also have been occasional conservative guest hosts on CNN's Crossfire, but I'm not positive]. They were both relentless and outspoken critics of the Clintons, and, in my opinion, their advocacy justified a categorization that went well beyond mere "nominal" Republicanism.
The fact that Ms. Toensing has done laudable work in the areas you mention doesn't change my opinion. However, I haven't done any in-depth biographical study of her, and if there are salient facts I've overlooked, I'm always open to revising my view.
Jer
I will have to say 'fair
October 23, 2007 - 00:22 ET by stratmanI will have to say 'fair enough' since I do not recall her or her husband at this time.
I'm not sure I would label someone an activist for being an occasional television political pundit. If that were so then you would have to label George Will, Cokie Roberts or Sam Donaldson as "activists".
I wouldn't even consider the tendenitious John McLauflin of PBS' The McLaughlin Report an activist. Rabblerouser - yes, activist - no.
What is the difference between "opinion", "advocate" and "activist"?
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
To be honest, strat, I
October 23, 2007 - 00:48 ET by JerTo be honest, strat, I wasn't completely comfortable with the 'activist' label [it does conjure up an image of the wealthy Hollywood liberal--Streisand?--throwing lavish fundraisers, doesn't it?...or even a party foot soldier knocking on doors and registering voters]. It really doesn't seem to be appropo for Toensing, so maybe 'advocate', 'pundit', 'talking head', or just 'spokesperson' would have been more appropriate.
Jer
Understood and
October 23, 2007 - 01:57 ET by stratmanUnderstood and agree.
Just wondering... How did Babs' name get through the Newsbusters' censor-bot? Are you 'hacking' the forum Jer?
(Kidding!)
Have a good evening, Jer.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
So that explains the
October 23, 2007 - 02:49 ET by JerSo that explains the electrical jolt that zapped me when I posted the 'Babs' comment earlier. I thought I had stuck my toe in the subwoofer under my desk. Wow, NB really is getting high-tech.
Have a good Tuesday [and I'm sorry about the Indians...I've always liked the Sox, but now I feel kind of bad Cleveland didn't pull it out. Well, they're young, and it seems the organization is headed in the right direction.]
Jer
Thanks Jer. I love the
October 23, 2007 - 11:15 ET by stratmanThanks Jer.
I love the Tribe. But they just didn't have all their ducks in a row to be World Champions... yet. When they began to sink in the fifth game I had a bad, bad feeling. They never looked sharp again. Boston deserved to advance, plain and simple.
Good luck in the World Series!
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
For the record, strat, the
October 23, 2007 - 11:34 ET by JerFor the record, strat, the Cardinals have always been my favorite team....My biggest boyhood thrill was for the family to pile in the car once each summer and drive 200+ miles from west Tennessee to St. Louis for a weekend of baseball. The Red Sox were my favorite AL team because of the curse of the Bambino and all of that, but since they finally shed that demon a couple of years ago, I'm feeling a little guilty about not rooting for the Indians this time. I promise I will next year...hope it helps.
Jer
Cleveland and the Cards
October 23, 2007 - 12:43 ET by stratmanCleveland and the Cards will always be connected: The Cardinals were given new life by stripping the Cleveland Spiders of talent. Maybe this was the beginning of Clevelnad being known as the farm team of the Majors!
Then there was the GasHouse Gang and all the greats that have played on the team. The World Series wins don't hurt either.
I don't get, though, how you can like the Red Sox when they clean swept you in 2004 World Series? I appreciate the Yankees for their consistent performance and skill but I still don't like 'em. (Ditto for the Steelers!) Ahh, the teams we love to hate.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
Armitage (the leaker, a
October 22, 2007 - 22:04 ET by TruthMongerArmitage (the leaker, a Bush foe at the state department) did not describe her as covert during the leak - he could not have known anyway - very few in the CIA would even know
She was a CIA agent - which you could guess by just following her to work every day
So who said she was covert then? It was the partisan left wing whiners who saw an opportunity and started the whole bitch fest
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you don't get it
October 23, 2007 - 00:04 ET by chuckoOnce you get covert status, you are protected by the CIA, especially if you've done secret missions within the last five years. In her long career, some years Valerie went on covert missions (seven times in ten countries in the years leading up to Novak's column). Other years she did work at Langley.
Only a handful of people in the intelligence community know you have a double life at all times. And no one is supposed to "out" covert CIA agents, whether or not they are actively doing covert missions or not, ok? It just does not happen in this country. No one outside the intel committee was supposed to know she worked on WMD issues!
And whoever gave that info to Scooter, Rove, Cheney, etc, should've have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. We'll never know for sure whether Scooter and company knew they were breaking the law but one thing is for sure, lies and cloudy memories obviously prevented justice from being served here.
Ever heard of GOOGLE?!
October 22, 2007 - 21:58 ET by chuckoWhy don't you take the 30 seconds it would take on a google or ask.com search to find out? She lived a double life for most of her CIA career (1985-July 2003) and was a NOC
Here's an excerpt from someone who worked with Valerie (and taken from the above link): "Ironically, her first boss overseas–Fred Rustmann–has gone on the
record and tried early on in this scandal to argue that she was not a
NOC (i.e., Non Official Cover officer). But Fred, who was forced out of
the CIA and into early retirement because of misdeeds overseas, was not
around long enough to learn that after her first tour Val was given the
opportunity to become a NOC.
Not only did she get the opportunity. She took full advantage of it
and embarked on a career that would change her life in ways she never
imagined. She walked away from diplomatic cover and was left naked of
the protection normally accorded to diplomats. She had to rely on her
wits and tradecraft, and did so successfully for many years, until
betrayed by the Bush Administration. But she cannot tell you about that
period. At least not now."
google? hmmm, no as for
October 22, 2007 - 22:15 ET by TruthMongergoogle? hmmm, no
as for your link, not the coffee cafe dude, please
get the CIA on the phone - the only source that can confirm her as a NOC, unfortunately for all of us they never do that
who said she was NOC anyway? it wasn't Armitage - the official leaker
who tried to say she was NOC when this all blew up? it was Valerie - she tried to out herself
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read the Libby indictment
October 22, 2007 - 23:41 ET by chuckoAll of you - google for and then READ the Libby indictment and then proceed to shut your lying mouths up. Plame was covert and Fitzgerald said so from the beginning to the end of the investigation. "She tried to out herself"? what an idiotic thing to say.
Aldridge Ames was part of
October 22, 2007 - 22:15 ET by MikeBAldridge Ames was part of the Bush Administration? B***s***! Armitage was part of the Bush Administration? B***s***! Ames sold secrets (including identities of CIA officers and agents) to the KGB for a long time before W was elected. Armitage was a Clinton appointee in the State Department that W didn't bother to fire when he was elected. Try again, chucko.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
where'd you get that?
October 22, 2007 - 23:37 ET by chuckoSince when did I say Ames was part of the Bush administration?! The rumor existed (and spread by Novak) that Ames outed Plame in the mid-1990s, which is laughable and totatlly false. Get it?
A few pertinent facts for Up-chucko
October 22, 2007 - 23:52 ET by mastersofdeceitA few pertinent facts for Up-chucko
I guess the NYT is also spreading laughable and totally false rumors?
Psst-It was the CIA that suspected ames. Get it?
MikeB...You might want to
October 23, 2007 - 01:51 ET by JerMikeB...You might want to recheck your facts--particularly concerning Armitage. He was not a Clinton appointee. He had served in Republican administrations, reentered private life during Clinton's presidency, and then was appointed Deputy Secretary of State by the current President Bush in 2001.
The traitor Ames began selling intelligence to the KGB in 1985, and was eventually arrested in 1994.
Jer
You may have heard of
October 22, 2007 - 22:33 ET by NL207You may have heard of google, but you appear to be clueless about its use.
If you had bothered to do any real research, you would have found out that Valerie Plame's NOC status had been twice compromised in the 90's, which is why she was returned to Langley for the 5 years prior to the Armitage disclosure.
First, Plame was exposed by the Russian spy and traitor, Aldrich Ames. follow the links. The original stories ran in the Washington Times.
Second, Plame was exposed by the CIA's own carelessness to Cuban Intelligence.
"The press informs the judges that the CIA itself "inadvertently" compromised Plame by not taking appropriate measures to safeguard classified documents that the Agency routed to the Swiss embassy in Havana. In the Washington Times article — you remember, the one the press hypes when it reports to the federal court but not when it reports to consumers of its news coverage — Gertz elaborates that "[t]he documents were supposed to be sealed from the Cuban government, but [unidentified U.S.] intelligence officials said the Cubans read the classified material and learned the secrets contained in them." "
How is it possible to be a 'covert agent' when everybody you do not want to have this information has it? It is irrelevant whether or not Plame's friends on the Washingtonn cocktail circuit or her family knew of her identity. The people who count are hostile intelligence agencies and they sure as h*** knew who she was.
Now its your turn to mumble something stupid, like "Well, its still a crime!" If that is true, bub, then why didn't Patrick Fitzgerald prosecute Richard Armitage for leaking this to Robert Novak?
You're the clueless one
October 22, 2007 - 23:07 ET by chuckoRobert Novak (and apparently the Washington Times) continually spreads the big lie that Aldrich Ames outed Valerie Plame. If you knew what you were talking about, you would know the CIA sent her home for "fear" that she (along with other covert agents) may have had their identifies compromised. But that NEVER turned out to be true, certainly not in her case. Why else would the CIA, years later then send her to do covert operations in the Joint Task Force looking for WMD's before the war? Common sense, buddy. She was STILL covert.
Read on, and definitely read the book "Hubris," which talks about her pre-war work and lots of other good stuff.
Score one for me. Your
October 23, 2007 - 14:13 ET by NL207Score one for me. Your reply concedes that Plame's identity WAS disclosed apriori to the Novak disclosure and that disclosutre did lead to her re-assignment to Langley because of the risk created by that disclosure.
Your remarks about Novak are ignorant garbage. He is far from the only voice pointing out that Ames exposed her identity to the KGB.
"....Apparently, Valerie Plame ceased to be a covert agent when her cover was blown years earlier. The CIA believed that Aldrich Ames revealed her role, along with many other operatives, to the KGB before his arrest in 1994..............."
"The agency called Plame home in 1997 in fear that Aldrich Ames"
"... her identity was leaked by Aldrich Ames, back in the early 90’s, to the KGB"
"Mrs. Plame's identity as an undercover CIA officer was first disclosed to Russia in the mid-1990s by a Moscow spy, said officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity."
According to your argument all of these people and their ultimate sources are also liars.
The amicus curiae brief filed by various media organizations on behalf of Miller and Cooper essentially argues that Miller and Cooper could not be imprisoned for contempt in protecting their sources because no crime had been committed in the Plame affair. The only way that could be true is if Plame was no longer covert, which would be the case if her identity had been apriori disclosed. The things Scooter Libby was charged with were all ex post facto. They bear no relation to the subpoenas being argued.
Use some common sense if you have any. When the enemy have discovered the secret, it is no longer a secret, no matter WHAT the CIA says it is.
Might I add you are most typical of the leftist trash-talking apologists for Plame-Wilson. You call someone else a liar and do not provide a shred of evidence to support your scurrilous charges beyond yopur opwn pronouncements. Why don't you crawl back under the rock you slithered out from?
Guggal, Gougal, Geegle...
October 22, 2007 - 23:27 ET by m4ster chief...oh, you mean GOOGLE? Oh, man...now why didn't I think of that? I mean, why didn't that occur to me? Google...of course...Google! Gosh, thanks Chunko! Now I know why I haven't learned anything on the Internet. Google...who would'a thought?!
Come to think of it, a friend went to Google and found out that Martians are walking among us, right now...as I type this! Martians!
(Hey Chunko...would you be defending Plame if she looked like Helen Thomas? Oh, don't know who she is? Well, just Google it, silly!)
He later played a clip of
October 22, 2007 - 17:12 ET by landsharkHe later played a clip of the interview in which Couric exclaimed how "18 years of meticulously crafted cover were gone in an instant."
Really? Is that the same meticulously crafted cover that she was using while commuting daily to the big building in Langley? How many deep-cover work out of CIA headquarters?
Do these morons actually hear what they're saying?
Yes, and they keep slapping
October 22, 2007 - 17:27 ET by drillanwrYes, and they keep slapping their knee(s) claiming, "Yeah! That's the ticket! ... I was a secretar--- er, secret agent! Yeah, a triple secret spy! ... Known ONLY to me ... Maybe NOT even to me! Ha! Yeah, That's the ticket! My code name was Secret Agent Double D-36 ... Yeah! Yeah! "
If they can't baffle you
October 22, 2007 - 17:44 ET by Right2thePointIf they can't baffle you with BS they will simply insult your intelligence.
QED
Don't go away mad, Val &
October 22, 2007 - 18:52 ET by motherbeltDon't go away mad, Val & Joe; just go away.
Well, you can even go away mad, if you must.
Isn't the 15 minutes of fame ever going to be up for this pair with delusions of grandeur AND persecution?
She is a victim BECAUSE she
October 22, 2007 - 20:44 ET by kgShe is a victim BECAUSE she is a DEMOCRAT.
Or is it: She is a DEMOCRAT therefore she is a VICTIM.
You just don't get it
October 22, 2007 - 21:42 ET by chuckoYeah, Joe and Valerie are SO partisan that they gave money to both Al Gore and Bush's campaign in the 2000 election. They were SO partisan: "Although I had voted for the candidate who ultimately lost the election [Gore], I assumed hopefully, and naïvely again, that once in office George W. Bush and his experienced team would curb the excesses of the extremists, and that the country would be in good hands. Valerie and I even attended a swank inauguration reception on Pennsylvania Avenue
where we looked down on the president's parade route and celebrated
with Bush supporters the peaceful transition of power that is the
hallmark of our democracy." (from his "Politics of Truth" book)
Contrary to the implication here and elsewhere that Joe and Valerie are nothing but antiwar leftists, they are (like myself) centrists and were definitely BIpartisan in their politics - until the Bush administration screwed them over. Joe even SUPPORTED going to war in Iraq originally, while his wife was doing covert operations, interviewing Iraqi scientists to find out what the status of Saddam's WMD's were (if he reconstituted them, that is).
Put yourself in her shoes: What would you do if the people you worked for (indirectly) effectively ended your 18-year career in the CIA (1985-2003) as a NOC/undercover spy? You're damn right you would support whoever is running against the administration that screwed you! Even if that person is a knucklehead like John Kerry. It might be a partisan reaction, but it is really a HUMAN reaction, and I don't blame Joe for saying it will be a long time before he votes Republican again.
Joe and Valerie Wilson are heroes who risked their lives for us - Valerie was tortured for two days early in her CIA career, and with Joe: "When Hussein sent a note to Wilson (along with other embassy heads in Baghdad) threatening to execute anyone sheltering foreigners in Iraq, Wilson
publicly repudiated the dictator by appearing at a press conference
wearing a homemade noose around his neck, and declaring, "If the choice
is to allow American citizens to be taken hostage or to be executed, I
will bring my own fucking rope."
Despite Hussein's threats, Wilson sheltered more than one hundred
Americans at the embassy, and successfully evacuated several thousand
people (Americans and other nationals) from the country. He was praised
by President George H. W. Bush for his actions: "...when I arrived back in Washington on January 13, 1991, the very next day I was in the Oval Office ... The President introduced me to his War Cabinet as a true American hero."
They are not perfect beings, as both Joe and Valerie have adknowleged. But that Vanity Fair photo came WELL AFTER her name was leaked and should not have been an issue. Her career was basically over at that point (late 2003/early 2004) so it didn't matter what magazine she appeared in.
But her and Joe's mistakes (few and trivial as they were) are NOTHING compared to the lies that the real partisans (the RNC and Victoria Toensing included) have told over the years. Thank God Valerie is at least finally allowed to tell enough of her story to silence the liars once and for all. I'm buying her book tomorrow.
very suspect
October 22, 2007 - 21:57 ET by TruthMongerthere is no way to know she was NOC - sorry
Armitage "outted" her as a CIA employee, that is after Valerie did that herself years prior
All you had to do was follow her to work everyday - CIA HQ
this is not where the NOC's work
Partner with Islam!
Do yer homework, buddy
October 22, 2007 - 22:20 ET by chuckoAnother lie I can't stand being repeated here is that it was Armitage who was the real culprit. He only got the classified memo that said what Plame's job status was because Scooter Libby was told by Cheney to get the State Department (Marc Grossman) to find any and all info on Joe Wilson's Niger trip. Two versions of one memo containing her secret WMD management CIA job turned up and was passed on to high administration officials, including Armitage, and the rest is history. Her name was disclosed to people and journalists (like Judith Miller and Robert Novak) who did not have national security clearance and was done so on vengeance and politics and the expense of national security (which is why the CIA is still limiting what she can talk about in public). Valerie can not publicly acknowledge her work in the CIA from 1985 to 2002. Is it because she was just a desk analyst? Hell no!
Also, Valerie was outed as an "operative," not just some CIA employee. Until Novak's column, all anybody knew about her was that she was Joe Wilson's wife and that she worked in the ENERGY industry (which was her cover!). Get it now?
Armitage admits it - but no big deal
October 22, 2007 - 22:55 ET by TruthMongerof course the pro-plame crowd doesn't like to hear about Armitage, neither did the Fitzgerald witch hunt - doesn't fulfill the dream I know
He is recongized as the leaker now. But Armitage did not say she was covert - just someone working in counter-proliferation, and so it was not a crime to identify her as such - and simply following her to work at Langley would also identify that she worked at the CIA
Novak identified her as "an operative" (heresay from a reporter at that point) and a day or two later clarified that she was not identified as covert to him
Then Plame steps in and claims she was an outted NOC (even though only the CIA can really do that - and they never do) - even though they don't generally drive to Langley for work everyday - they usually ride to work on Camels with OBL
Armitage was against Bush, so ask him why he "outted" her as the CIA employee everyone already knew she was - it was simply to identify the impetus/source of Wilson's trip to Africa as Valerie
Partner with Islam!
-
October 23, 2007 - 12:06 ET by JimboLeon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"
Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."
Translating Couric
October 22, 2007 - 21:43 ET by Free Stinker"Valerie Plame spent nearly 20 years in the shadows of the CIA. "
Translation: She was an ordinary paper-pusher.
"Then suddenly, she became a public figure."
Translation: The Demonrats figured out how to use her to try and "get" Bush.
"18 years of meticulously crafted cover were gone in an instant."
Translation: How lucky can you be to go from being a garden variety clerk to being the heroine of the Democrat party.
. . . and no matter how horrific the terrorist attack, it's conducted by losers. Winners don't need to hijack airplanes. Winners have an Air Force. --P.J. O'Rourke
Um, what?
October 22, 2007 - 22:30 ET by chuckoHow do you get "ordinary paper-pusher" from "in the SHADOWS of the CIA"? Read Patrick Fitzgerald's indictment of Libby, his press conference for it and you'll see how much of a fool you are - he outright says she was "covert" and later confirmed what Victoria Toensing refuses to acknowledge or understand, that she was covert and protected under the 1982 law she had a hand in writing, the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, since she did covert operations overseas (in the Middle East) at least SEVEN times in the five years prior to her cover being blown.
How long are we gonna milk
October 22, 2007 - 23:55 ET by Ran56How long are we gonna milk this cow?
Double O Plame
October 23, 2007 - 02:19 ET by Sua Sponte 75WHEN.WILL.THIS.HORSE.DIE?
Now, almost four years after the Bush Administration allegedly leaked her identity to news reporters in order to undermine the claims of her husband.