'Progressive' Christian Jim Wallis: 'Stay Unborn as Long as Possible'

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By Kristen Fyfe | October 19, 2007 - 15:38 ET

"If I'm an unborn child and I want the support of the far religious right I better stay unborn as long as possible because once I'm born I'm off the radar screen. No healthcare, no child care, no nothing, " said Jim Wallis, founder of the liberal Christian group Sojourners.

Only he wasn't labeled a "liberal" by Katie Couric.  He was called a "progressive."

Wallis got the royal treatment from Couric in the October 18 broadcast.  In a piece about the Values Voters Summit being held in Washington, D.C. this weekend, Couric reported a segment on whether evangelical Christians can be counted on by the G.O.P.

She went hard left after the opening statement, in which she said there was "a new kind of holy war" for the hearts and minds of 50 million evangelical voters.

Smiling, she asked Wallis,“Do you believe that evangelical Christians are still the domain of the G.O.P?”

He answered with an emphatic, “No,” adding their votes are "up for grabs."

The segment was designed to show the "chasm" between "progressive" and "traditional" Christians.  But the deck was stacked for the liberal/progressives.  Wallis had five sound bites while Richard Land, of the Southern Baptist Convention, and representing the "traditional" evangelicals had three.

The following excerpt is indicative of the lefty slant:

Couric started off by describing the impact of evangelical Christians in the Reagan era.

COURIC: Politics supplied the perfect bully pulpit for their conservative viewpoints, emphasizing two issues above all -- opposition to gay rights and abortion rights. For more than two decades, their support at the polls has been critical to republican victories. But that may be changing, and many younger evangelicals are behind it.

WALLIS:  A whole generation says no, there are more than two moral values issues. There's Darfur. There's global poverty. There's climate change. There's human trafficking.

COURIC: And in this new agenda, the old issues aren't as prominent. A new CBS News poll out tonight shows that abortion (2%) and gay rights (0%) aren't even among the top four priorities evangelicals want presidential candidates to discuss. In fact, healthcare and Iraq dominate, which creates a chasm between progressive evangelicals like Jim Wallis, and more traditional leaders like Richard Land.

WALLIS: Why were the followers of the Prince of Peace the easiest ones to convince to go to war in Iraq?

LAND:  I believe when people are at war with you, it's best to be at war with them.

(Natural sound on tape) We are doing spiritual warfare and battle here.

COURIC: Land also thinks the two issues that united evangelicals shouldn't divide them now.

LAND:  The protection of the sanctity of human life from conception to natural death and everywhere in between. Secondly, protection of traditional marriage.

COURIC: But our poll shows that poverty trumps abortion as an issue evangelicals care about. In fact, Jim Wallis believes the term “pro-life” should be redefined.

WALLIS: If I'm an unborn child and I want the support of the far religious right I better stay unborn as long as possible because once I'm born I'm off the radar screen. No healthcare, no child care, no nothing.

COURIC: Different priorities may mean a new acceptance of a different kind of G.O.P. Candidate. Current front-runner, Rudy Giuliani, the first Republican nominee in three decades to support abortion rights, is almost tied for first among white evangelical voters.

Couric went on to describe the the support of abortion rights as a "G.O.P. heresy" and made sure to mention that the three leading Republican candidates "have trouble even talking about their faith and their church attnedance."

Couric closed the piece by gazing into her crystal ball and saying, "Meanwhile social conservatives may not attend this election if their enthusiasm for the candidates doesn't improve."

Kristen Fyfe is a Sr. Writer for the MRC's Culture and Media Institute.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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WOW! Katie's so good at

WOW!

Katie's so good at using that political thesaurus of hers and the neoPRAVDA ...

}}---> Up for grabs

I'm thinking "Up for grabs" is roughly equivalent to "Open for bids" So insulting it's pathetic.

Maybe we should all post our souls on eBay.

The real story is this Wallis guy.  He, like the archbishop in San Francisco have studied and trained all their lives for such a moment as has been set before them, and both choose the milquetoast response.

Perhaps it's time for our "religious leaders" to once again stand for something. 

be careful what you wish for jim

the Democrats definitely do not want us in their party

do the Dems ever want to serve people? or do they just "want your vote?"

A service of the new NB respect police

"Different priorities may

"Different priorities may mean a new acceptance of a different kind of
G.O.P. Candidate. Current front-runner, Rudy Giuliani, the first
Republican nominee in three decades to support abortion rights, is
almost tied for first among white evangelical voters"

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Giuliani's position on this is that it should be left to the States to decide abortion rights and that the constitution does not support any Federal mandate.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

}}---> Right you are MM

Maybe Texas wouldn't outlaw infanticide, but we'd be a lot closer to ending taxpayer funding of infanticide.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

It's the same thing with

It's the same thing with [fetus] stem cell research ...

These things get twisted and spun as "so-and-so is against" ... But what so-and-so is against is tax dollars (federal) funding it.  There's nothing stopping the states from trying to handle it the way they want ... or private funding.

"If I'm an unborn child and

"If I'm an unborn child and I want the support of the far religious
right I better stay unborn as long as possible because once I'm born
I'm off the radar screen. No healthcare, no child care, no
nothing, " said Jim Wallis, founder of the liberal Christian group
Sojourners.

I wondered how long it would take for someone to drag out the old "You care about fetuses in the womb but not the kids who are already here!" line.

Actually, it took them longer than I thought it would.

It's tragic mother, that

It's tragic mother, that the left cannot (or does not) distinguish between murder and subsidy. Who are these people? Do they live next to us? Amongst us? Scary...<shudder>

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

}}---> Meanwhile

Taxpayers either allow school clinics to provide secret contraceptives to their 11yr old girls or deny them any school first aid whatsoever.

Come on down Norway and tell us all about teaching kindergarteners to fondle each other.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

Progressive/Liberal/Socialis

Progressive/Liberal/Socialist/Communist - all the same to me.

I dont know how old Wallis is but he'd better be thankful to whatever god he prays to that he survived the womb. Since 1973 it's been a death sentence to be there and a crap shoot as to whether or not you get out alive and in one piece. I guess it's a good thing his mother wasnt as progressive as he is.

Liberal preachers like Wallis deny the power of Christ and preach a social gospel. And that's a misnomer because "gospel" means "good news" and there is no good news in socialism. And far more evangelical Christians do what they can to help kids than any liberal ever did. Jesus left it up to us and not Ceasar to feed the hungry.

So Wallis doesnt speak for me - he's a fool. But he's the kind of false teacher that Couric and her ilk just get apoplectic over. Phooey on all of them.

the true Christian

message includes being accountable for yourself.  How could anyone repent of lack of government programs (if the govt is responsible)?

These enablers of bad behavior actually hurt the very people they 'purport' to want to help.  Not very Christian behavior.

"The more I study science, the more I believe in God."     Einstein

completely agree. I made

completely agree.

I made the mistake of trying to debate the fool via email, about the dangerous road he wants America to go down and we need only look at what's happening in Europe to learn how foolish communism/socialism are.

His answer (was actually an assistant Bob Francis)

As I think you’ll see, deciding about the role of government for Christians is a complicated endeavor. At Sojourners, we never discount or degrade the needed and vital role of individuals and local churches being the hands and feet of Jesus in their local neighborhoods and cities. But as I think Yonce’s article points out so simply yet clearly, we also see a vital role for government in helping with these issues. As our friends at Bread for World say about hunger issues, while charitable giving on the local level is good, a single vote in Congress can either provide or revoke more food for the poor than all of the country’s church food pantries combined. Charity is good, but we need justice. Hand-outs are needed, but so are equitable structures and systems that don’t hold the poor down. We believe that Christians should acknowledge that we live in a society governed by laws, and those laws are not morally neutral; they often have very decided effects on people, especially poor people. We at Sojo/CTR do not simply want “bigger government,” but we do believe that budgets are moral documents and that the government does play a role in looking out for the well-being of its citizens, especially the most vulnerable. And in America, unlike the Roman Empire of Jesus’ day that you mentioned, we have the fortune – through our votes and our advocacy efforts – to affect our government in our efforts to ensure that they do not trample the heads of the poor in their decisions (see Amos 5).
There are numerous examples of things which need both public and private cooperation. In New Orleans, church groups can volunteer for a week at a time to rebuild homes, but the government rebuilds the levees and provides much of the funding to dig out and rebuild. In education, stable and responsible families go a long way toward increasing good outcomes, but until education is funded in an equitable way for ALL children, many families, even stable ones, find it much more of an uphill battle when their kids’ schools have no resources. And individuals are responsible for working hard, but when millions of Americans work full-time jobs and still live in poverty because minimum wage remained stagnant for 10 years, government is not working for or with the people making good choices. And when millions of kids go uninsured, that is not an issue that individual churches are financially prepared to address, but it IS a time when government can step in with appropriate measures to help make ensure that families who cannot afford skyrocketing costs or whose jobs do not provide such benefits can still take their children to the doctor. And this is also about priorities. If we can build up our military and spend $10 billion per month in Iraq, why do millions live and work in poverty, learn in inequitable schools, work for subpar wages, and have no basic health insurance? Something is askew, and it is government that is in the position to do something about it.
I also encourage you not to buy into the overly-simplistic (and frankly untrue) rhetoric that any government support or safety net whatsoever is socialism or Marxism or somehow automatically deprives people of the need to be personally responsible. Yes, we should learn from Europe and be wise about what “programs” we institute, but I argue that simply lowering all taxes and letting the market run free is hardly a biblical or Christian response to the poor either. (And we shouldn’t kid ourselves that our markets are free anyway). I think you’ll find – upon a closer examination of our work – that we are not simply supporters of “big government.” What we do support is the vital role for government, and we see one of our key roles as calling that government to make decisions that reflect the best of our Christian values. Again, in a country that affords participatory government, we should use that privilege – in conjunction with our work individually and in our churches – to fulfill our responsibility to “the least of these” among us.
I hope this provides some food for thought and addresses some of your concerns.

The guy is a complete socialist progressive along with everyone at Sojourners. Their goal is complete and total christian marxism.

Progressive/Liberal/Socialis

Progressive/Liberal/Socialist/Communist - all the same to me.

I dont know how old Wallis is but he'd better be thankful to whatever god he prays to that he survived the womb. Since 1973 it's been a death sentence to be there and a crap shoot as to whether or not you get out alive and in one piece. I guess it's a good thing his mother wasnt as progressive as he is.

Liberal preachers like Wallis deny the power of Christ and preach a social gospel. And that's a misnomer because "gospel" means "good news" and there is no good news in socialism. And far more evangelical Christians do what they can to help kids than any liberal ever did. Jesus left it up to us and not Ceasar to feed the hungry.

So Wallis doesnt speak for me - he's a fool. But he's the kind of false teacher that Couric and her ilk just get apoplectic over. Phooey on all of them.

I was right - Wallis is a communist.

Ugh.

The mere mention of the name "Jim Wallis" draws a single reaction from me: "Ugh."

A good article from the Weekly Standard on Wallis:
"God's Democrat," Weekly Standard, 4/11/05

Couric closed the piece by

Couric closed the piece by gazing into her crystal ball and saying, "Meanwhile social conservatives may not attend this election if their enthusiasm for the candidates doesn't improve."

  I believe if hillary is one of the choices the social consevatives will probably find some enthusiasm.  ...for the ABC candidate. (anybody but clinton)

  The Republican losses in the '06 elections allowed the base to vent it's frustration with the party but the resulting dem agenda has reminded them why elections matter. 

Wallis has one BIG problem

The Bible makes one thing Clear:

Luke 6:26  Woe to you when all speak well of you, for that is what their ancestors did to the false prophets.

Now, I am no fan of Jerry Falwell or Mister 700 club dude (forgetting his name).

But it's clear from the Bible that the latter 2 guys are hitting some nails on the head judging from the amount of persecution they get.  

While on the other hand Wallis is gettng the red carpet treatment.

That alone should tell you somethings up.

Also, did Jesus ever say ANYTHING about the Roman Army?   You'd think if Wallis was even in the ballpark you'd be able to find some evidence that Jesus wasn't at the least understanding of the need for Armed forces and the like, clearly Paul was (Romans 13:4)

Wallis' agenda

Sounds to me like Wallis is helping ease the consciences of those who would "suffer the little children to come unto" Christ by killing them before they get a chance to sin.

Brilliant!

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

I wasnt much of a fan of

I wasnt much of a fan of Falwell either until it occured to me the only perception I had of him was from the liberal anti-Christian media.

I've since changed my mind on him.

...check out Robertson's

...check out Robertson's (the "700 club dude") Operation Blessing (he's a war hero BTW)

A service of the new NB respect police

Government is Charity

Liberals view the government as a charitable organization.  However, government is the worst charitable organization to donate to.  If you are lucky, pennies of every dollar actually make it to the recipients.  The rest is squandered by government overhead and inefficiency.  For example, I've read (I believe it was from Milt Friedman's Free to Choose) that the government welfare costs the taxpayer roughly $50,000 per welfare recipient!

Just wait until Hillary gets her hands on healthcare! 

Well, what is the record of

Well, what is the record of charitable work by liberals versus conservatives?

We have the evidence.

Summarizing: "The book's basic findings are that conservatives who practice religion, live in traditional nuclear families and reject the notion that the government should engage in income redistribution are the most generous Americans, by any measure. "

Well, what about liberals?

"Secular liberals who believe fervently in government entitlement programs give far less to charity. They want everyone's tax dollars to support charitable causes and are reluctant to write checks to those causes, even when governments don't provide them with enough money. "

And this includes both religious and secular charities. Conservatives don't just give more - time, money, energy - to church groups. They also give far more than liberals to secular organizations.

For a group of people that Mr. Wallis says doesn't care about the poor, this is awfully strange behavior. Does Mr. Wallis believe that if the government isn't doing it, it's not being done?

Would've been nice had Ms. Couric known this. But the facts don't fit the liberal template of the world that she uses.

SMG 


 

WALLIS: If I'm an unborn

WALLIS: If I'm an unborn child and I want the support of the far religious right I better stay unborn as long as possible because once I'm born I'm off the radar screen. No healthcare, no child care, no nothing.

So he's basically aknowledging that some people are having children without considering beforehand whether they can afford to provide basic necessities for these children. Oooookay. and why is that our problem, Mr. Wallis? We're the ones who work 40+ hours per week, pay our bills on time, and spend within our means. Now we have to work that much harder to provide taxes to those people who choose to be irresponsible.   

Our founding fathers believed in the unalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. No mention was made of the RIGHT to healthcare, childcare and the pursuit of welfare. You want it, go out and pay for it your damn selves! 

"Progressive" is a political

"Progressive" is a political label, just like "liberal."  Progressives are left of liberals.  It is a term that I think is mostly in use online and on the west coast.

West Coast? How arrogant of you to think that

...but not surprising.  You're one of the Berkely elites, right?  ;^)

I read it almost daily in various newspapers, and just the other day heard it on the floor of the House.

Wasn't trying to be

Wasn't trying to be arrogant, I just thought perhaps the author was confused about the term because it isn't used as widely as I thought.  She seems annoyed that the person wasn't identified as "liberal"-- progressive basically means liberal+ where I live and online, but I don't know about elsewhere, so I attempted to clarify.

cp

"Progressive" is a political label, just like "liberal." 

Really?

Why don't you try defending the media's code about "progressiveness"....vis-a-vis conservatism?  The left wing loonies get called a nice name like "progressives"....while those of us who are conservative get called all kind of vitriolic names...it's never quite okay to just call us conservative.

If you're going to post here, you need to keep up. 

P.S.  A homework assignment for you....in the next five minutes, Google (you know, Rosie can do it too) five articles that refer to Her Highness as a liberal. 

Tick Tock. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Um, okay.  Are we talking

Um, okay.  Are we talking about Rosie O'Donnell (and if so, why??) or some other Rosie?  Who is Her Highness?  And why the rush?

wow CP

not having trouble keeping up are you?

<<Google IT Rosie O'd>>

who else has been coronated by media matters (a site she helped start)

and a time limit? well since Hilda is all over it should be easy to find articles which correctly identify her

"The more I study science, the more I believe in God."     Einstein

Yeah...

Hilda?  I'm totally confused now.  What does  <<Google IT Rosie O'd>> mean?

Wow, I think I AM having trouble keeping up!  Clearly you guys are way too smart for me.  You must be the winners.  You win!

Could Katie Couric be any

Could Katie Couric be any stupider?

I'm getting tired of typing her name on here every day when she does something dumb. We need a nickname for her.

Any thoughts? 

card holding member of the vast right-wing conspiracy

}}---> Katie Nicknames

  • Ludicris Perkie C.

  • Kewpie Doopy

  • Punky Huckster

  • Cherpes Cure

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~