Daily Beast/Newsweek Contributor: Impeach Justices Who Vote to Overturn ObamaCare!
Liberal pundits, journalists, and yes, the president of the United States seem to be in a full-blown panic about the prospects of ObamaCare going down in flames when the Supreme Court rules on HHS v. Florida in two months. Doing so would be the sort of judicial activism that conservatives decry, President Obama complained ludicrously earlier this week.
But have no fear, liberals, for law professor and Daily Beast/Newsweek contributor David R. Dow -- who previously wrote a book defending judicial activism -- has your solution. The Yale-educated lawyer suggests that President Obama's congressional defenders could try something last attempted in 1805: the politically-motivated impeachment of a U.S. Supreme Court justice. Here's how Dow opened his April 3 Daily Beast post:
You think the idea is laughable? Thomas Jefferson disagreed with you.
Jefferson believed Supreme Court justices who undermine the principles of the Constitution ought to be impeached, and that wasn’t just idle talk. During his presidency, Jefferson led the effort to oust Justice Samuel Chase, arguing that Chase was improperly seizing power. The Senate acquitted Chase in 1805, and no Justice has been impeached since, but as the Supreme Court threatens to nullify the health-care law, Jefferson’s idea is worth revisiting.
The problem with the current court is not merely that there is a good chance it will strike down a clearly constitutional law. The problem is that this decision would be the latest salvo in what seems to be a sustained effort on the part of the Roberts Court to return the country to the Gilded Age.
Dow's post descended into insane pabulum from there, and for a thorough take-down of his illogic, I recommend you read Big Journalism's Ben Shapiro on that here.
Of course, Dow's fundamental problem is that he believes the individual mandate is "clearly constitutional" when in fact it is a clearly unprecedented exercise of federal power that is thinly justified by a contorted reading of the Commerce Clause.
Dow, who is a visiting professor of history at Rice University, says that Jefferson sought Chase's removal because he was "improperly seizing power" and "undermin[ing] the principles of the Constitution." But surely as a historian he must know it's patently laughable to think, for example, that Jefferson, who favored a strict construction of the Constitution, would approve of the ObamaCare individual mandate.
Indeed, Jefferson might arguably favor impeaching justices who voted to find it constitutional, given how egregious an invasion of personal liberty it is. After all, Jefferson was largely suspicious of the federal courts because they had been stocked with Federalists by the previous two administrations, and Federalists had a more expansive view of federal power on a variety of issues in conflict at the time, such as the legitimacy of a congressional charter for a national bank.
What's more, as a practical matter, the notion of impeaching Supreme Court justices for an honest disagreement over interpretation of the Constitution is ludicrous. Even if Obama were to win reelection this November and Democrats riding his coattails were to take back the House, it's highly unlikely Democrats would expand their Senate membership to the 2/3rds supermajority needed to remove a justice in an impeachment trial.
When Jefferson's congressional allies attempted to remove Chase in 1805, Jefferson's Democratic-Republican Party had a supermajority in the upper house, yet failed to come close to the votes needed to secure Chase's removal from the high tribunal.
As he closed his piece, Dow softened his rhetoric a bit, suggesting non-impeachment remedies that liberals could pursue:
We can argue about whether President Jefferson was right to try to impeach Justice Chase. But there’s no question that he was right to say that impeachment is an option for justices who undermine constitutional values. There are other options, as well. We might amend the Constitution to establish judicial term limits. Or we might increase the number of justices to dilute the influence of its current members (though FDR could tell you how that turned out). In the end, however, it is the duty of the people to protect the Constitution from the court. Social progress cannot be held hostage by five unelected men.
That closing line echoes President Obama's grousing about a "duly constituted" law being overturned by unelected judges.
But as a University of Houston Law Center professor once wisely wrote, "Even the harshest and most vociferous critics of so-called activist judges would not deny that judges must at times say no to the majority."
That professor was none other than Dow, in the pages of his 2009 book, "America's Prophets: How Judicial Activism Makes America Great."
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domestic terrorists
Submitted by MidAmerica on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 6:12pm.
The liberals are much more dangerous now since their ability to buy voters with ever expanding government programs is being strangled by a declining economy. We will witness ever bolder attempts to just sieze power by any means possible. They will willingly tear apart this country's institutions and traditions for political gain.
Yep
Submitted by GregE on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 9:21pm.
Can't spend so much, gotta look for other avenues of destroying the nation. These people really do have mental issues.
They SHOULD BE impeached... the perfect test w/clear answer.
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 6:48pm.
BUT it should be the ones who don't strike it down. There IS a right & wrong answer here. Clearly it should be struck down. Nothing is vague or controversial based on the facts. Congress should certainly impeach any justice that thinks ObamaCare is Constitutional. I am ALL for that baby! Time Congress starts doing there job and protect us from enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC!
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
Note Dow's phrase, "five unelected men."
Submitted by CO2Maker on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 7:06pm.
Sounds like the left is planning a two -ist attack on the Court and the Republicans: they're racists to oppose the signature legislation of the first black president and the court is sexist and will split along gender lines, with the three women justices aligning themselves with all things noble, compassionate, caring, and forward-looking, and "five unelected men" dragging everyone back into the age of robber barons, out of control plutocrats, and other evil rich people (that's the implication of the Gilded Age allusion).
"Five unelected men"? Prima facie evidence of an informant.
Submitted by drsamherman on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 7:29pm.
I am very suspicious that the attention over the five conservative SCOTUS judges means that Kagan or Sotomayor blabbed to Obama. I'll repeat my suspicion that it is Kagan. She was so obsequious to Obama after her nomination that she seems the most likely one to try to please.
I'm not so sure about the
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 8:00pm.
I'm not so sure about the "five unelected men" comment meaning a leak.
That is actually a pretty common description of the majority of SCOTUS, and might be indicative of nothing more than that.
Many important cases have been decided on a 5-4 vote, which always annoys whichever side got the short end of the stick.
It may be common, but a preponderance of evidence
Submitted by drsamherman on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 8:16pm.
suggests that either the decision was leaked by someone (more than likely a justice--no one else has access to their preliminary deliberations) and/or their oral arguments were so weak and they have no Plan B for what happens if it is overturned.
Sotomayor was an appellate court judge, and those courts often hear cases in three judge panels that have similar deliberative processes to the SCOTUS, per my attorney friend who works for the Texas Attorney General. She would be an unlikely choice to blab, but Kagan is a different matter.
The massive press and government blast against the Supreme Court would be taken in a medical context as "pro-dromal" for a serious diagnosis akin to evidence of a massive block or bleed within a major functional organ system.
The "preponderance of
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 10:23pm.
The "preponderance of evidence" may be true, but I still don't see what about "five unelected men" makes you suspect a leak. Frankly, I don't see the connection.
There's nothing in this article about a possible leak, so apparently you're talking about something else entirely, that I've missed.
It's the entirety of the situation, MB.
Submitted by drsamherman on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 11:36pm.
In the past few days, the level of rhetoric against the Supreme Court has risen to levels not seen since the 2000 election when the Democrats tried to delegitimize it in similar fashion. Part of my psychiatry practice is to look for seemingly unrelated events in a patient's life that correlate with a common theme in a diagnostic fashion. THAT is what I mean by "preponderance of evidence" - not just this article, but the entirety of what has been observed relative to SCOTUS. The reference to "five unelected men" has been continued through other liberal commentators across several different media, as the phrase was used by one of our local liberal politicians in San Antonio, a detestable but connected Democrat. Along with the common rhetoric and language comes the common attack point of intimidation of the court in a manner that would have inconceivable a few years ago.
I am not talking about something else entirely, I am applying my training to describe something that appears to be a very concerted effort to delegitimize the Supreme Court's authority to interpret the law. Obama, who is conveniently referred to as a "constitutional scholar" despite having no significant publication record displaying any depth or breadth as would normally be encountered in an academic situation, would hardly make the mistake of saying SCOTUS is acting outside the bounds of its authority, nor would most parties who are on the opposition side of a lawsuit insult a court prior to the announcement of a verdict if they wanted to win the case. That much I can say, though not a lawyer, is just common sense. It's also Civics 101 called the Marbury vs. Madison decision and 200+ years of legal precedent in the US. The predicate defensive moves by the left on the Supreme Court appear to be the result of some foreknowledge on their part of what the decision will be. I am not the first to suggest that a leak has happened, and indeed this is all over the news and the blogosphere.
While I respect your
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 8:59am.
While I respect your training, I'm simply saying that you are extrapolating. Probably a hazard of the profession. ;-)
You did say that the "five unelected men" was evidence of an informant. That's what I called you on. Sorry, but you can't say something about one thing in particular, and then justify it by saying that you are talking about the "entirety of the situation."
No harm, no foul. Perhaps I should have been clearer.
Submitted by drsamherman on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 10:52am.
If you look at what I wrote, I said that comment made me suspicious that Kagan or Sotomayor blabbed the court's decision already. In psychiatry, the term "extrapolation" is used to describe the illogical or unfounded connections made by patients such as an unknown stranger winked at a female patient while on the subway and therefore she thinks he is in love with her. That is an extrapolation. Psychiatrists do not extrapolate in that sense, but instead we have to piece together what the patient is saying from scraps of conversation, physical acts described by witnesses, etc. The "five unelected men" may be a common term in political parlance, but the timing of this law professor's comments and the trajectory of his argument conditions aligning with the White House, and his known liberal political affiliations and publications, do not work as simple extrapolation. Put together with the rhetoric from the White House and the level of preparation for a campaign against the SCOTUS, it would be unreasonable to rule out the existence of foreknowledge of the verdict. It is no different, in that sense, from the deductions that are made on a circumstantial basis of who committed a crime or corroboration of a pervasive pattern of behavior. This is not a hazard of the profession, but rather a different school of thought dictated by those of us who deal with patients who do not recognize standard debate and rhetorical constructs.
To be clear, I think you are referring to extrapolation in the sense of debate and rhetoric. That will not work in this context, because I am working from a psychiatric point of view. Diagnosis and prognosis are parallel processes derived from both deductive and inductive processes, the latter being a form of extrapolation but based on clinical judgment and experience. Perhaps that would have made the matter clear.
If you look at what I wrote,
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 2:43pm.
If you look at what I wrote, I said that comment made me suspicious that Kagan or Sotomayor blabbed the court's decision already.
And that's what I commented on. It was you who 'extrapolated' the story (not the psychiatric definition) all over the place.
Not all of us here operate from a psychiatric point of view, but we don't need to be talked down to, either.
And yes, I think you are talking down to me. Maybe that's a hazard of the profession too.
Five unelected men
Submitted by Model850 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 4:49pm.
I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy but "five unelected men" just ain't enough to make a good one.
It's actually a pretty reasonable assessment given the make up of the court, six men and three women. OK, who appointed those three women?
It's natural to assume (despite the pitfalls of doing so) that the three Democrat appointees will vote to uphold a law championed by a Democrat president, not necessarily because of politics per se but because of similar ideological beliefs.
Therefore, a vote against the law will naturally be because of a majority of male justices. No leak or conspiracy (though I'll admit that's possible but the phrase "five unelected men" is weak evidence for it). It's just math.
I don't even think it's
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 5:13pm.
I don't even think it's gender-specific. I think it's just 5 people, period.
The number that makes up a majority on the court.
I agree, DocSam.
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 8:07pm.
I do think that either the "wise Latina" or the softball player leaked the inside info on what transpired.
Impeach? Where did I hear
Submitted by sngnsgt on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 8:07pm.
Impeach? Where did I hear that last. Oh, yeah, it was that Clinton guy. Dream on, dude. Republicans will win in November and appoint at least 2 more Scalia's. What a wonderful world it will be!!!!
Douche bag
Submitted by lilium479 on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 8:27pm.
Touche.......impeach those that vote for passage......must also be true.
Thou shall have no other Gods before me
Submitted by MidAmerica on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 8:49pm.
There is no obama but obama
Alito, Roberts and Thomas are already on the Liberals enemies list so if obamacare goes down the Liberals want the vote as close as possible.
The political pressure will be on the Liberal leaning justices to toe the 'Progressive' line no matter what they think of the individual mandate. In other words, the justices had better vote correctly if they want to continue to be considered as part of the Progressive community. Having a close vote will enable the Liberals to further politicize the decision and to demonize the 'very Conservative court'.
Don't forget, MA....the
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 10:24pm.
Don't forget, MA....the conservative judges are "very, very, very" conservative.
watch for troop movements
Submitted by MidAmerica on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 12:15am.
If obamacare is struck down we need to keep an eye on the unions and the OWS to see if they begin the rhetoric of protest and start to set up protest movements across the country that will be presented as representing the prevailing mood of the country.
The Tea Party and other Conservative groups may need to form counter-protests in order to neutralize the Lefts effort to politically capitalize on the ruling.
That's going to be tough,
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 9:15am.
That's going to be tough, because as you know, liberals are trying to move the country away from what is constitutional to what is "fair." It started with talk about judges needing to understand how their rulings "affect" people.
As Obama once said, the constitution is flawed in that it doesn't mandate what government should do for the people.
Just before the 2008 election he said "We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America."
and that's what he intends to do, by hook or by crook.
SCOTUS is the reason we
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 9:09pm.
SCOTUS is the reason we should hold our nose and vote for RINO's if need be.
Post of the Year.
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 11:08pm.
THIS.
I don't care if you hate Mittens.
We can't afford to allow The Won to appoint one more justice.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
I don't care if you hate
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 10:08am.
I don't care if you hate Mittens.
You got that right!!
All one has to ask oneself is "Can the country survive four more years of Obama?"
The man is frightening on so many levels.
His disdain for the Constitution is the most troublesome
After quoting Obama on the "big messy democracy" and his wish that he could rule like Hu Jintao
comes the Money Quote:
(bolds mine)
The pattern is now formed. Never mind that we are a republic, and not a democracy. That isn’t the point. It is the continued attack on our system. The problem, according to Obama, is not him, or his policies, or his big government point of view. The problem, as previously stated – going as far back as 2001 – is the Constitution; “…this big, messy, tough democracy.”. As he frames it, the rule of law keeps getting in his way of doing what he thinks is best for all of us
One has to have grapes for brains to not see where this guy wants to take us.
This isn't playing well in Peoria
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 10:32am.
Obama totally overplayed his hand with his little whiny speech the other day. Unprecedented. The only thing unprecedented was his total lack of respect for the Court, and the Constitution. His little diatribe has people wondering if he merely doesn't understand judicial review (which is bizarre, as Marbury v. Madison is taught in every law school, Class 101), or whether he is just plain stupid (truly, if he has Greta van Sustern believing this, he is in deep trouble). Either way, he's wearing egg, not only on his face, but from foot to toe. Carney's little dance back is one of his lamer ones.
Also note, not a story about Obama's little brouhaha on Drudge at the moment. The media obviously has its marching orders to close the barn door on this embarrassing incident.
His latest war, the war on the Supreme Court, has being exposed, just like his war on Wall Street, the Do-Nothing Congress, Women, Race War (Trayvon). He has no record, and thus far, has been unable to find an effective boogeyman to pin his failures on.
Now it's going to get really ugly.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Need to realize this
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 11:34am.
People need to realize that from his statements alone this week that these aren't the words of an incompetent, that he's in over his head. It's easy to say that he is, but it wouldn't be true, especially with his socialist/communist/muslim background, all three which should scare people of how he thinks.
We are seeing the dictator in action and even though this 3-judge panel gave him 48 hours to the Justice Department to explain themselves, what's going to happen then? What will they do if the answer isn't satisfactory(and I can't believe it would be) or if they even give an answer at all? Will that panel of judges take some sort of action? Will SCOTUS? There's no indication.
As many of us have said from the start before the Nov 2008 election, this manchild has been a danger to this country and he's proven that time and time again, but was given excuses time and time again as "incompetent" and "doesn't know what he's doing." He's shown UTTER contempt for the American way of life, its traditions and values, even our allies, and more, and again, time and time again, he's had excuses made for him. This has been happening for 4 years now, even before his crowning of Jan 20, 2009, and people STILL don't get that he's a danger to this country.
He's show great deference to this country's enemies, and still does so(apparently the Egyptian branch Bro'Hood was making an appearance to the WH, for what, I wonder?), and there are domestic enemies to this country as well(they are the democrats) who have helped him bring this country down. Again, people don't get it.
Will it take the complete and total destruction of this country before people DO get it?
-Jon
I've said for...
Submitted by GeneralAl on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 11:49am.
I've said for along time that Obama is only as smart as his handlers [David Asselrod for one!] and teleprompter can make him look. They screwed up on this one. Just remember, if he was so smart, we'd see his college grades in some form every day in the boot licking Pravda Media!
"Old Soldiers never die, they just fade away"!
Jon & Al
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 12:00pm.
Concur.
With each and every thing you've both posted.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
An enterprising practical joker should
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 9:14pm.
circulate on Twitter and Facebook a petition to recall Justice Kennedy. I'll bet you could get hundreds of thousands of signatures.
Not worth it
Submitted by GregE on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 9:27pm.
It just may influence him, just as the Obama is attempting to do with his threats.
Obama knows he can't do anything. I wish he'd try some removal tactic and totally expose himself. Sadly, he'd still have the support of many of his sheeple. I often do wonder how far he could go before his sheeple said ok I can't deal with that anymore.
I literally think he could drop his pants to his ankles on the White House lawn, jam the stem of a big pie-size multi-color lollipop into his buttcrack, and shuffle around with a cowboy hat on sideways in broad daylight yelling like Howard Dean, and he'd still have a full 40% support.
Bombastic nonsense from an Ivy League idiot
Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 9:30pm.
The Constitution provides impeachment as the tool to remove Federal officials for "high crimes and misdemeanors."
Exercising one's Constitutional authority is neither a crime nor a misdemeanor -- at least until this Administration came along.
Gal, I've observed before
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 10:37pm.
Gal, I've observed before that, to liberals, the law is only a "suggestion," a "jumping
off point" if you will, vulnerable to all kinds of distortions and manipulation.
Look at how they twisted the law to get Torricelli replaced by Lautenberg in New Jersey, well after the deadline had passed.
Put NOTHING past them.
I agree. MB
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 9:55am.
It goes hand in hand with their insistence that there are "rights" not written in the Constitution, most recently: A right to contraception.
That is exactly the progressives complaint
Submitted by c5then on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 10:11am.
They say that the Constitution is basically a negative-rights document. It only states those things that the government can't do. They want it to state "all the things that the government must do for it's citizens".
Their mindset is such that they can't envision a limited government. They want an all-encompasing government that in their mind is benevolent and compassionate. They never think about what happens if a group of people get "elected" to the government who are not benevolent and compassionate, but are only out to gather the most wealth and power for themselves as possible. It's the "mommy complx" taken to extreme.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
It's a tenet of their unshakeable Faith in Government . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 1:16pm.
. . . that handing more and more authority to the whims of an intellectual ruling class will deliver a life style in which they never have to make tough decisions, and thus free everyone of social angst, like holding a job.
By declaring new "rights" -- such as a right to housing -- they are less concerned about protecting one's individual right to keep one's dwelling than they are about government ensuring that they get housing because . . . well . . . because . . . because it's our "right," dammit. The government is the provider when all else fails.
Like the young lady's professed "right" to free contraception. No one is stopping her from accessing contraception -- but she wants it FREE because it's her right.
As we've seen historically, the dead end of this empowering of government is the Soviet Union, Cuba, Red China, Nazi Germany, et al, where after surrendering (or losing) genuine rights in the name of social order, no one gets any new "rights" either.
This lesson is no longer part of the curriculum of American colleges and universities.
Not that any of them will read this, but.
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 10:14pm.
The smartest thing that the Justices could do right now is to not wait till June and squash it now. End the posturing in one move.
Teaches History at Rice U?
Submitted by ThisnThat on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 8:13am.
I pity the people at Rice U who are spending $10,000 for their education. They will not learn any history whatsoever from their "visiting professor". Money down the drain.
__________
“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
Ok, show of hands....
Submitted by c5then on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 9:37am.
Who didn't know that this is EXACTLY where Obama wanted to take the "dicussion" when he made his little speech about the "unelected men in black robes"?
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
"Thomas Jefferson disagreed with you."
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 12:59pm.
"Thomas Jefferson disagreed with you."
And the Senate (who consented to Justice Chase's appointment to begin with) disagreed with Jefferson. Hence the lack of an impeachment. So, buddy, what's your point?
You know, there's a reason WHY the Founding Fathers make the impeachment of Justices a long, involved process. It's to prevent people like Obama from using his power to threaten, coerce, the courts into ruling in his favor. So, what's your suggestion? Let's use coercion via the threat of impeachment to influence court rulings even though Thomas Jefferson himself couldn't get that to work! So: Good luck with that!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Who shot J.R. (Justice Roberts) ?
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 1:06pm.
"Social progress cannot be held hostage by five unelected men."
By the way, what happened to the other 4 Justices? Did they just disappear or something?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
This idea
Submitted by Model850 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 4:53pm.
This idea deserves all the credibility it would be given by the left if someone on the right proposed it as a response to the law being upheld.