MSNBC's Todd Seems to Scoff at Passage of Conservative Ballot Question Regarding Sharia Law
"This is the type of direct democracy people say they want. Sometimes you wonder," MSNBC's Chuck Todd editorialized after a segment about conservative ballot initiatives that passed into law on Tuesday.
Towards the bottom of the 9 a.m. EDT hour of "The Daily Rundown," reporter Mara Schiavocampo looked at a handful of state ballot initiatives that voters had considered at the polls on Tuesday. [Video after page break]
Aside from Proposition 19 -- the marijuana legalization measure which was rejected by California voters -- Schiavocampo noted two conservative ballot questions that passed in Oklahoma: a measure declaring English the official language of the Sooner State and a measure forbidding consideration of Islamic sharia law or international law in rulings made by Oklahoma state judges.
Schiavocampo insisted that "critics" -- whom she failed to name -- dismissed the ballot questions as "cultural wedge issues that were designed to bring conservatives to the polls."
Regarding the sharia law question, Schiavocampo said "it should be noted that nobody was attempting to use sharia law in Oklahoma in making legal decisions, but supporters of the law said that this was a preemptive strike against anything like that."
While perhaps no one is on record having attempted to use sharia law principles in an Oklahoma court proceeding, there has been at least one judge in another state who have made a horrendous decision based on undue deference to a Muslim defendant's reactionary reading of Islamic law.
The Heritage Foundation's The Foundry blog noted that case from New Jersey in a September 2 post:
Does Sharia law allow a husband to rape his wife, even in America? A New Jersey trial judge thought so. In a recently overturned case, a “trial judge found as a fact that defendant committed conduct that constituted a sexual assault” but did not hold the defendant liable because the defendant believed he was exercising his rights over the victim. Fortunately, a New Jersey appellate court reversed the trial judge. But make no mistake about it: this is no isolated incident. We will see more cases here in the United States where others attempt to impose Sharia law, under the guise of First Amendment protections, as a defense against crimes and other civil violations.
In S.D. v. M.J.R., the plaintiff, a Moroccan Muslim woman, lived with her Moroccan Muslim husband in New Jersey. She was repeatedly beaten and raped by her husband over the course of several weeks. While the plaintiff was being treated for her injuries at a hospital, a police detective interviewed her and took photographs of her injuries. Those photographs depicted injuries to plaintiff’s breasts, thighs and arm, bruised lips, eyes and right check. Further investigation established there were blood stains on the pillow and sheets of plaintiff’s bed.
The wife sought a permanent restraining order, and a New Jersey trial judge held a hearing in order to decide whether to issue the order. Evidence at trial established, among other things, that the husband told his wife, “You must do whatever I tell you to do. I want to hurt your flesh” and “this is according to our religion. You are my wife, I c[an] do anything to you.” The police detective testified about her findings, and some of the photographs were entered into evidence.
The defendant’s Imam testified that a wife must comply with her husband’s sexual demands and he refused to answer whether, under Islamic law, a husband must stop his sexual advances on his wife if she says “no.”
The trial judge found that most of the criminal acts were indeed proved, but nonetheless denied the permanent retraining order. This judge held that the defendant could not be held responsible for the violent sexual assaults of his wife because he did not have the specific intent to sexually assault his wife, and because his actions were “consistent with his [religious] practices.” In other words, the judge refused to issue the permanent restraining order because under Sharia law, this Muslim husband had a “right” to rape his wife.
Besides the fact that the ruling is wrong as a legal matter, and offensive beyond words, it goes to the heart of the controversy about the insidious spread of Sharia law—the goal of radical Islamic extremists.
A "preemptive strike" against that nightmare seems a worthy matter to put before a state's voters.
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Of COURSE it's a "wedge issue
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 11:25am.
Of COURSE it's a "wedge issue designed to bring conservatives to the polls."
And why shouldn't it be????
What's not to like about Sharia law???
By all means, let's wait until a guy beats his wife nearly to death and then talk about Sharia law as an extenuating circumstance!
Are these people really so gob-smackingly stupid?
Well, MB,
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 11:44am.
now that you ask, the answer is yes, yes they are that gob-smackingly stupid. Not only that stupid, but slanted, biased and just all-around leaning so far left, it's amazing they can fit in the picture.
We don't have to wait for some guy to beat his wife to death, there are more than enough "honor" killings going on now, and have been for some time here in the U.S.
Beat your wife all you want in private, you own her., but...
Submitted by Red Jeep on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 12:19pm.
...no Nativity scenes allowed in the town square.
Mosque near Ground Zero, OK. Rebuild Greek Orthodox Church destroyed in the 9/11 attack, no.
Muslims good. Christians bad.
Honor killings...
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 3:55pm.
Yes, I know there have been honor killings, but so far they have been prosecuted.
Recognizing Sharia law would make that impossible.
One question
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 8:46pm.
Who, except for fundamentalist muslims, has seriously proposed to incorporate the whole body of Sharia into American law?
So, we should wait for it to
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 8:55pm.
So, we should wait for it to happen before we do anything about it?
How did you read that into my
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 9:18pm.
How did you read that into my lines?
through a brilliant combination
Submitted by porpoiseboy on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 9:22pm.
of insight, inference, and most of all mind reading. thanks for being impressed! :-)
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left
The best social program is a JOB...ronald reagan
well gee trog...
Submitted by porpoiseboy on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 9:14pm.
based on 9-11, iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, various bombings all over the world, beheadings, very recently bombs being mailed to the US.....it would seem to me that "fundamentalist muslims" are running the "muslim show" these days. and who but a "fundamentalist muslim" would care if a law was passed banning any adoption of any tenets of sharia? oh and thanks for stating and recognizing that the "fundamentals" of islam are something to be afraid of. by calling the scary dudes "fundamentalists" you define them as the ones following the fundamentals of islam. and yes i agree that we have nothing to fear from wishy-washy muslims.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left
The best social program is a JOB...ronald reagan
Concerning who is running
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 9:20pm.
Concerning who is running what: Don't let yourself be fooled by the media.
well gee....i would think the bombs
Submitted by porpoiseboy on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 9:27pm.
speak for themselves. what/who do you THINK is pulling the strings of fundymuslims?
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left
The best social program is a JOB...ronald reagan
Well, gee, I'm not aware of
Submitted by rjwest21 on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 11:32am.
Well, gee, I'm not aware of any Republican submitting legislation to do away with Social Security or Medicare, but that hasn't made the ABC babes chime in to say that when some Dem hack spouts off the talking points.
Sharia Police
Submitted by Firmworm on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 11:39am.
Yah...we need some of that there Sharia Law.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ffa_1288873517
Shira law is happening in BG
Submitted by ForeverOnTheRight on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 12:36pm.
Shira law is happening in BG it can happen here. We need to preempt the possibility. The foolish and destructive of Marxist originated PC wold let it happen.
I want to see how NOW weighs in on this
Submitted by ThisnThat on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 12:51pm.
Will they support sharia law and throw the wife under the bus to defend the rights of the poor, downtrodden midevial neanderthals, or will they support the beaten and raped wife by congragulating Oklahoma on their new law? After all, don't liberals always like to say: "Whatever the price, preventing one rape is worth it"?
Or is the question to hot to handle, so their best choice (as usual) is to issue a "No Comment"? To answer that question, let's go directly to the tape -- NOW's Violence against Women web site:
Oh my, look at all the outrage: against the U.S. military; against the clergy; against the entire United States of America; against Dick Cheney and his buddies. NOW is even mad at Mexico.
But what about the most open, violent, religion-inspired women-abusing group of people in the world -- muslims? NOW says <<cricket>> <<cricket>> <<cricket>>. Not a single complaint. I love it when the lack of moral compass twists these so-called "rights" organizations into such obvious acts of hypocricy.
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“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
MSNBC is staffed with idiots and liberals
Submitted by JakeMo on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 12:57pm.
The law is against deciding cases based on foreign law AND Sharia law. The latter being a subset of the former. Much like when I say "MSNBC is staffed with idiots and liberals," I could just leave out the "liberals" part to avoid being redundant, but I toss it in just for good measure in case the idiots don't understand set theory.
And we have plenty of examples of judges deciding cases by looking at foreign law. Hasn't she been paying attention to the decisions of the Supreme Court? Aren't the bright bulbs at MSNBC the ones that keep telling us that looking to foreign law when deciding cases is a sign of "enlightenment?"
Ms. Schiavocampo might also be unaware that the Constitution prohibits ex post facto laws. If we wait until someone uses Sharia law to decide a case, it's too late. We can't make the law after the fact. That would be unconstitutional.
No Chuck, we don't sometimes wonder.......
Submitted by richard on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 12:47pm.
...........why we care about the issues that you and your fellow libtards seem to totally disregard. What we sometimes wonder is when you will finally pull your head out of your *ss and get real with life. Buck up Shrimpboat, one day you'll grow up and see thru the fog.
Uhhh...remind me again why
Submitted by liberalsarefunny on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 12:48pm.
Uhhh...remind me again why nobody watches this network? I forgot...
Sharia needs to be outlawed at the federal level
Submitted by OxyCon on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 12:51pm.
Outlawing sharia will make it clear to all that muslim fanatics are not welcome here. We welcome moderate muslims and those who want to escape islamic facism. But muslim extremists who want to impose their evil, backwards ways on us aren't welcome here and would be better off staying in the hell holes they created for themselves.
Wedgie Issue
Submitted by 76United on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 1:06pm.
So, Todd claims that voting against Sharia Law will bring conservatives to the polls. So, is he implying that liberals are ok with Sharia Law and would not vote against it?
It'll be ironic...
Submitted by jimbo297 on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 1:34pm.
...when the pro-sharia crowd starts lobbying for polygamous marriages because having multiple wives is part of their culure and they are holding up the successful pro-gay marriage lobby as an example of equal rights.
The slippery slope argument against gay marriage actually holds water...it starts with two guys who want to marry, then the polygamist will want to legally marry his multiple wives, and then somewhere down the road you'll have someone who wants to marry their dog or their horse. Who knew that the polygamist in this story was going to be from the most bass-ackward culture on the face of the planet which continually denies the most basic human rights to its denizens?
California - petri dish of failed ideas
Submitted by JakeMo on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 1:59pm.
California has decided to buck the conservative trend in an heroic attempt to prove the great socialist experiment can work despite historical evidence to the contrary.
Since they're in the mood to "experiment," I think California should try to prove Sharia law can work as well.
You can put VT on that list too...
Submitted by jimbo297 on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 3:02pm.
...unfortunately for conservatives in Vermont like myself.
Depressing as hell, but I am having a great time watching the carnage across the rest of the country. Just really, really really, wish that my state was taking part in it. Instead, we have a delegation of unapologetic socialists pandering to their uneducated, underemployed base.
One ingredient in this experiment is to have a sizable population dependent on govt entitlements that can be tapped for reliable turnout in elections.
I wouldn't be surprised to see some Sharia types move here, figure out how to last through winter, and then try a full court press for Sharia polygamy dressed up as a "human rights" multicultural diversity BS issue.
Laughable if it wasn't so damn possible
Sharia Law And "Moderate" Muslims
Submitted by DMartyr on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 3:57pm.
I hear a lot of "moderate" muslims saying they don't support Sharia Law and that they don't want it in America.
So, we can expect the peaceful "majority" of muslims to come out in support of this initiative, right?
< crickets >
Did he miss Maher's comment
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 8:41pm.
Did he miss Maher's comment about Sharia law? I wasn't aware Maher was a conservative.