Do not say black and white Americans live in the same world or you will feel the wrath of Whoopi Goldberg. That is what Elisabeth Hasselbeck discovered on the July 17 edition of "The View." Upon suggesting that, Whoopi reduced Elisabeth to tears.
On the news of Jesse Jackson’s use of the "n" word, the conversation quickly developed into the double standard involved between a white and black person’s use of the word. Sherri Shepherd and Whoopi Goldberg admitted there is a double standard, but added there should be. Sherri Shepherd said she uses the word "as a term of endearment," but said to Barbara Walters "I don’t want to hear it coming out of your mouth."
Elisabeth Hasselbeck, puzzled by the obvious double standard, questioned how she can explain to her young daughter why she is not allowed to use that word, but other kids are, when she noted "we live in the same world," Whoopi went off on a tangent that blacks and whites do not live in the same world. Whoopi, who also dismissed Elisabeth Hasselbeck’s concerns as "very white," added Elisabeth just does not "understand."
GOLDBERG: We do live in different worlds. I’m sorry. I’m sorry it’s the way it is Elisabeth. This is the way it is. This is how I grew up. My mother could not go and vote in the United States of America, the place of her birth. We, go- wait, wait.
WALTERS: And don’t we want that to change?
GOLDBERG: Yes, we would like to. But you don’t understand.
HASSELBECK: I’m not going to take that away from no.
GOLDBERG: No, no, I, I want you to. But what I need you to understand is the frustration that goes along when you say we live in the same world. It isn’t balanced. And we would like it to be. But you have to understand, you have to listen to the fact that we’re telling you, there are issues, there are huge problems that still affect us. And you’ve got to know this if you want to know us.
Elisabeth started to cry and asked "how are we supposed to then move forward if we keep using terms that bring back that pain?"Barbara Walters used the opportunity to promote Obama’s candidacy opining "Barack Obama and others...are trying to move forward."
The entire transcript is below.
WHOOPI GOLDBERG: I don’t know whether you’ve been watching television last night or this morning, but new footage was leaked that apparently shows Jesse Jackson using the "n" word. Fox News says the tape was leaked. They didn’t have anything to do with it. So I ask you, is any of this a surprise?
SHERRI SHEPHERD: Well, you know, what, what I think the hypocrisy is coming out because Jesse is the main, he was the main proponent of, of saying, you know, he didn’t want the rappers using it and take it out. And I thought, and we were talking about it, I thought it had been a funeral or something where they– I don’t know if Jesse came to the funeral– where they buried the "n" word.
ELISABETH HASSELBECK: Did that come after Michael Richards, when after his rage, using the "n" word? He called for a boycott of all the "Seinfeld" DVD’s and episodes telling people to take of their DVR and-
SHEPHERD: Was that Al Sharpton?
HASSELBECK: Jesse was part of that as well.
JOY BEHAR: He wasn’t talking about using the word privately. He was talking about using it publicly.
HASSELBECK: Did you ever see "Crash"? Did you guys see "Crash" the movie? See I don’t think there’s an ounce of difference, and sometimes I think it’s almost worse to talk- use it privately than publicly.
SHEPHERD: No, no, it’s not true, no.
HASSELBECK: Well, I’m saying, are they equally as bad if I say it to someone in, in the privacy of my household? That’s still bad. It’s not a word that should be used. I think it’s, it’s-
SHEPHERD: Don’t tell me I can’t use that word. Because I use it.
BARBARA WALTERS: Okay, there’s something I want to add.
HASSELBECK: But how is it- you’re telling me I can’t use it, but you can use it.
SHEPHERD: It’s not the same when I use it-
HASSELBECK: Why?
SHEPHERD: Because-
WALTERS: That’s what I want to ask you.
HASSELBECK: Is it when you’re funny or you’re not funny all the time-
SHEPHERD: There’s no difference from being funny.
WALTERS: Just a second.
HASSELBECK: I don’t understand.
WALTERS: Could I just ask a question?
HASSELBECK: I would never use it to begin with, but yes.
GOLDBERG: Then why are you arguing?
HASSELBECK: I’m saying why is it for anyone to say it?
WALTERS: Elisabeth could I just ask a question?
HASSELBECK: Sure.
WALTERS: Is it-- and what you’re saying– is it okay for black comics primarily, like yourself when you do an act and so forth, is it okay then to use as it is still done and not okay for white people? Is that the case?
SHEPHERD: Yeah I, I have no problem with them using it. It’s something that means something way different to me than it does to you. I grew up with my family using it. It– for me, I can use it as a term of endearment.
WALTERS: But if I used it...
SHEPHERD: I don’t want to hear it come out of your mouth.
HASSELBECK: I just think, here’s the like, how do you, okay, so wait a minute, let’s think about this. This is how I think things can be simplified sometimes. How do you teach children, okay? We should be acting. We’re trying to teach our kids certain things in this world, no? So then are we, are we acting out on what we’re actually preaching them? Am I supposed to tell Grace, "Grace okay, here is [sic] some words you can use, here is [sic] some words you can not." And then but you’re friend over there can use it because-
GOLDBERG: Can I simplify it for you? The little kid is not going to walk up to Grace and say "[bleeped out]" It’s not going to happen. [laughter]
HASSELBECK: It’s an example. I’m just giving an example.
GOLDBERG: But, but I understand your example. I understand your example, but Elisabeth, as I said at the beginning when we first talked about this word, this is a word that has meaning when you give it meaning. I’ve never met [bleeped out], I have never gone to [bleeped out], I don’t know any [bleeped out]. There are [bleeped out]. You can try it, just like you can-
HASSELBECK: I am not trying to.
GOLDBERG: No, no, no, listen to me, listen to me. Just like you can talk about comical Italian people if you were a comic.
HASSELBECK: I’m half Italian.
GOLDBERG: And yeah, so you can say all kinds of stuff. You can say the stuff that your mom and dad would say in the privacy of their home and not outside. That’s just the way that it works.
SHEPHERD: What about teaching, what about teaching Grace with different things that- There are some things where people are sensitive to. There are some things that we can’t say because people are sensitive to it. Kids say "why does that person have a hump on their back?" You know, that might hurt their feelings. So why not explain it in that way?
HASSELBECK: Look, I’m not saying I won’t explain to my daughter how to talk about words. I grew up in a household where we didn’t say- I’m half Polish and half Italian. If somebody said to me "you’re a dumb Pollack," it offended me. I never made fun of myself saying, you’re, you’re that word. I’m a this. I never would go into my own heritage and use a phrase that is used against me in the privacy of my own home because I think it perpetuates stereotypes and hate.
GOLDBERG: You have to understand [bleeped out] word that has followed us around, and basically what we did is we took it out the hands of people that were using it and put it into our hands and we use it the way we want to use it and that’s the way it is.
HASSELBECK: Then it sneaks into pop culture then. I’m just trying to get an answer.
WALTERS: You did. You’re not listening you’re just talking. She is saying-
HASSELBECK: - I am listening.
WALTERS: -it’s okay in her culture, but it is difficult as you as a white mother to explain that, that Jeffrey can use it, but Grace can’t.
HASSELBECK: It’s not difficult for me. It’s just an example in terms of general philosophy. I have no problem explaining things to Grace. My thing is that we don’t live in different worlds. We live in the same world.
GOLDBERG: We do live in different worlds. I’m sorry. I’m sorry it’s the way it is Elisabeth. This is the way it is. This is how I grew up. My mother could not go and vote in the United States of America, the place of her birth. We, go- wait, wait.
WALTERS: And don’t we want that to change?
GOLDBERG: Yes, we would like to. But you don’t understand.
HASSELBECK: I’m not going to take that away from no.
GOLDBERG: No, no, I, I want you to. But what I need you to understand is the frustration that goes along when you say we live in the same world. It isn’t balanced. And we would like it to be. But you have to understand, you have to listen to the fact that we’re telling you, there are issues, there are huge problems that still affect us. And you’ve got to know this if you want to know us.
HASSELBECK: I’m not trying to take- I understand. I’m not trying to-
GOLDBERG: But it didn’t sound like it.
HASSELBECK: I am not trying to take that away from you. When we are living in this world and we are living in the world where there is in, in the pop culture, when that word is in use. When there are- [crying] this is upsetting to me because-
WALTERS: Okay, just take a breathe and let someone else talk.
HASSELBECK: I am, I am, but this is a conversation that is hard and we’re going to have it here and we have it here for a while because we love each other. When we live in a world where pop culture then uses that term, and we’re trying to get to a place where we feel like we’re in the same place and we feel like we’re in the same world, how are we supposed to then move forward if we keep using terms that bring back that pain?
GOLDBERG: I can tell you.
HASSELBECK: How?
GOLDBERG: Here’s how we do it. You listen and say "okay this is how we’re using this word and this is why we do it." You have to say, "well, you know what? I understand that, but let’s find a new way to move forward." You must acknowledge the understanding of what it is and why it is in order to go-
HASSELBECK: But when is it time to have the conversation?
GOLDBERG: But we are.
HASSELBECK: We are, yes.
WALTERS: Okay, but one second, let somebody else have a conversation for just one second. [laughter] We have a man- [laughter and applause] We have a man running for president who is 50 percent white and 50 percent black. And one of the things that he is trying to do is to bring people together and there still is racism. I have not heard anybody on this show say the word that you just said. They say the "n" word, we’re so afraid of it. If I said what you said, I would never hear the end of it. But when- wait I’ll grant it. But when you say it’s okay, we are trying to change. This is what Barack Obama and others are trying to do, to move forward. In the meantime, we have to understand that we haven’t gotten there yet. And maybe we should and maybe it’s not okay for you to use the word, but that is the reality, that’s the reality of the moment. And whether it’s a good thing or a bad thing.
BEHAR: Is this segment over? Because I can just end it right now.
SHEPHERD: You haven’t said anything.
WALTERS: No, you can say something.
BEHAR: No, I just wanted to say that I thought the "n" word that he used was "nuts."
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Gun owners and Bible Thumpers
July 17, 2008 - 15:51 ET by Dr_Libertyalso live in a different world than non-gun owners and non-Bible thumpers (or is that "Bible non-thumpers"). Our critics just don't understand.
Now just leave us alone and let us get back to shootin'. Amen!
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blacks like Whoopi want it
July 17, 2008 - 16:11 ET by TruthMongerblacks like Whoopi want it both ways
equality
with victim status
and "we just don't understand" that:)
it is a different world
EXACTLY!
July 17, 2008 - 16:18 ET by SouthJersey1953That is exactly it. Perfectly stated.
thanks man do I win
July 17, 2008 - 16:20 ET by TruthMongerthanks man
do I win something:)?
No, if you got an award on this subject
July 17, 2008 - 16:25 ET by SouthJersey1953they would end up labeling you a racist, so I cannot give you a prize.
I want the nobel
July 17, 2008 - 16:43 ET by TruthMongerI want the nobel dammit
and an oscar
what do I have to do - invent the internet or something? talk more about the weather?!
SJ.LOL HaHaHa!
July 17, 2008 - 18:53 ET by the strugglerSJ.LOL HaHaHa!
You sure did!
July 17, 2008 - 16:36 ET by SyriusTM,
Get ready for the invoice!
What about the reparations? Or did you forget?
Do I get an exemption if my ancestors came over after slavery was abolished?
Syrius
"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott
that's more like it:) and
July 17, 2008 - 16:58 ET by TruthMongerthat's more like it:)
and if everyone like you gets an exemption then who pays the ding dang reparations?!?!?
Do they pay us?
July 17, 2008 - 18:55 ET by the strugglerWhat if our ancestors died for their freedom?
Damn right! I want
July 17, 2008 - 19:07 ET by Clear thinkerDamn right!
I want reperations.
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
Same here! "America
July 17, 2008 - 19:10 ET by bigtimerSame here!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
blacks ??
July 18, 2008 - 14:58 ET by tejanodiabloneccos, narcos, nincompoops, ninnies (or is that a no-no ?), how about "let's call a spade a spade" .. i mean, i know now that black hole and devils food cake are off limits .. as is offering free watermelons as an advertising gimmick too close to juneteenth .. how about black powder or blacksmith or black out ? .. black jack ? .. black tie ? .. black mail ? .. black list ?? .. does it ever stop ????
never look a gift skunk in the tail ..
And BINGO was his name-o...
July 18, 2008 - 21:09 ET by TheDeuceAnd BINGO was his name-o...
Whoopis' Whirled
July 17, 2008 - 15:53 ET by Mulligan22This is a classic example of "living rules" the liberals love so much.
Lefties believe in "racism
July 17, 2008 - 15:56 ET by robert108Lefties believe in "racism for cause", just like the old Southern segregationists. Whoopi was "coming out" for segregation of free speech rights. A double standard is prima facie evidence of hypocrisy.
"We have a man running for
July 17, 2008 - 15:58 ET by jdhawk"We have a man running for president who is 50 percent white and 50 percent black."
Examples please?
50/50
July 17, 2008 - 16:10 ET by Mulligan22If he were filling out a form where one question was "race" which box would he check?
He would have to write in
July 17, 2008 - 16:15 ET by bassndudeHe would have to write in "liberal".
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
How about...
July 17, 2008 - 17:14 ET by Eileen RightBaiter, Monger, Profiteer, or he could check all the blocks, being the messiah and all.
There are times when I am so
July 17, 2008 - 16:16 ET by USA4freedomThere are times when I am so glad that I am a conservative, when I don’t have to make sense of all of the B.S. and double talk.
I can say: X but you cant say X because you don’t understand..But I understand, because I am black.. What??
Let see how does that line go?
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
USA4...
July 17, 2008 - 16:20 ET by Clear thinkerYou do raise a good point... It sounds like Whoopi does not follow or endorse MLK's teachings.
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
Speaking of character, This
July 17, 2008 - 17:09 ET by USA4freedomSpeaking of character, This speaks volumes,
According to wikipedia:
In 1993, Goldberg was briefly involved with Ted Danson, who was married at the time and caring for his wife, who had survived a stroke while giving birth. There was controversy following a comedy routine at a Friars' Club roast that was performed in blackface. Goldberg wrote the script.
I guess she is right, we do live in different worlds, I would kick my daughters butt if she were having an affair with a married man who’s wife just suffered a stroke while delivering their child. Nothing but class..
Speaking of character, This speaks volumes,
So tell me is it ok if you write the script about whites acting black, in black face,, if you are black yourself?? I still confused..
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
"We have a man running for
July 17, 2008 - 23:50 ET by Jerry"We have a man running for president who is 50 percent white and 50 percent black."
That means he can only use the "N" word on odd numbered days. If he uses it on even numbered days, he is bigoted, racist, cracker.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Same world, Whoopi
July 17, 2008 - 16:05 ET by CobraMan"We do live in different worlds."
We live in the same world, Whoopi. It's just that some people are held to different standards of behavior in this world. The "N Word" controversy is a prime example of those different standards as applied to what is acceptable speech for some people. You yourself are holding whites to a different standard than "minorities" when it comes to things like moral behavior and acceptable speech, and that makes YOU part of the problem. Stop being part of the problem and hold everyone to the same standards, ok? That's what equality means, remember?
GOLDBERG: We do live in
July 17, 2008 - 16:06 ET by Free ThinkerGOLDBERG: We do live in different worlds. I’m sorry. I’m sorry it’s the way it is Elisabeth. This is the way it is. This is how I grew up. My mother could not go and vote in the United States of America, the place of her birth. We, go- wait, wait
MLK would be embarrassed if he heard this discussion.
A New era of racisim.
July 18, 2008 - 08:59 ET by dronetekThe way that woman said, "I dont want to hear it come from yuor mouth" just sent chills down my soine. As if she was superior over white people and she has special prvilliges we dont.
Well, I dont want to say the N word but if I felt like it I would. This is a free country and NOBODY tells me what I can and cant say.
This is a new era of racisim, where white poeple are looked down on as disfuntional and everyone else carries on as "normal". If we dont do something about it, future generations will experience racial hatred like we've never seen.
Double standard
July 17, 2008 - 16:06 ET by bigtimerDouble standard indeed....
these hypcrites make me sick to my stomach...
I knew Jackson would have the wagons circle around him from the leftists in the world...
Bet Imus and Lott feel this is fair and balanced, along with everybody else that has has this crammed down their throat for years now....
Let's see it is okay for only the blacks to use the word, anytime, anyplace in any form or meaning to-boot....anybody else of another race....why they are....
....Bigots..hateful...mean...aplogogize now a thousand times....
Nope we all live in the same country Whoopi....you are making excuses...Sherri is just plain stupid, nothing more, nothing less...and instead of Elizabeth crying...she should of took off her gloves and stood her ground...to the bitter end.
Jackson is a big hypocrite that gets away with anything...
I am tired of this double-standard.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Whoopi, when your mother
July 17, 2008 - 16:25 ET by motherbeltWhoopi, when your mother wasn't allowed to vote was a LOOOONG time ago.
Get over it, already and live in the here and now!
Provide some examples please, of blacks being denied anything now!
And if we are living in two different worlds, it's because blacks want it that way, with their Congressional Black Caucus, and Association of Black Journalists, and Miss Black America, and all-black dormitories and all-black student unions on campus, and every other separation that pops into their heads.
Apparently segregation is all right, if blacks choose it.
What those blacks want is the best of both worlds: the right to participate or separate as they so choose, while they whine about living "in two separate worlds" and bring up grievances from long past.
I wonder if it occurs to Whoopi that the reason some blacks have to keep bringing up ancient injuries is because their lives are pretty good right now, but they can't quit complaining?
Finally, wouldn't you just love to see the uproar if Elisabeth observed that something Whoopi said was "very black" or showed a "typical black" attitude?
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
"hoopi Goldberg: Blacks and
July 17, 2008 - 16:09 ET by Chris Norman"hoopi Goldberg: Blacks and Whites Live in Different Worlds"
Oh,I am so sick of the never-ending discussion about the "n word". Do they want to live in the same world or not? It seems to me that what Martin Luther King Jr. fought for this, but now, those "who speak for the black community" can't seem to make up their minds about that or want it both ways.
McNotObama '08
They do want it both ways.
July 17, 2008 - 16:21 ET by motherbeltThey do want it both ways. And they want to call the shots on it.
See my reply to bigtimer above. :-)
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
mb, I read your comment
July 17, 2008 - 18:35 ET by Chris Normanmb, I read your comment after I posted - it took me forever to get my comment posted from the time I began typing. I agree. This racial separatism is ironic, to say the least, coming from someone, like Goldberg who enjoys great success and popularity among all races, including caucasians. This notion that someone can't understand or comment on something unless they are actually in some particular group is getting to be rampant and tiresome - towards a lot of issues. The thing is, it's usually directed at the same old targets: whites or men. To seek to be part of the larger group - meanwhile claiming special status as a separate group - is such a blatant contradiction that it would take a liberal not to see it.
McNotObama '08
I wasn't implying that you
July 17, 2008 - 20:08 ET by motherbeltI wasn't implying that you stole from me....your post was actually first, but I didn't read it until after I posted mine...it was more of a GMTA kind of thing. LOL
They ARE infuriating...they want to be included...except when they want to be separate.
This notion that someone can't understand or comment on something
unless they are actually in some particular group is getting to be
rampant and tiresome - towards a lot of issues.
Well, they're real flexible on that too, depending on which way it goes. In 2004, John Kerry was telling us how important it was to someone with combat leadership experience as CinC. Now, without a shred of embarrassment, he says that John McCain's experience doesn't mean squat because we need Obama who has the "wisdom" necessary.
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
I love the hipocasy
July 18, 2008 - 09:01 ET by dronetekI love when peoople like woopie say things like that. They say "we cant understand", but carry on as if they understand us perfectly. I'm sorry, but they dont understand shit.
I've ALWAYS been a person who supported equlaity and civil rights. People like Woopie are making me feel like thats not realisitc though.
More insanity
July 17, 2008 - 16:13 ET by rogue9772Insanity promptly followed by a free campaign ad for Obama.
Most Africans I know living here hold such language in contempt once they know its meaning. They are aware that using the dreaded "n-word" only serves to denigrate and lessen the value of people, regardless of what leftists like Whoopi say.
To say that certain phrases are unusable by one group or another smacks of elitism at best and racism in a case like this.
Jackson and Sharpton are the two worst "role models" for blacks, yet they're paraded all over the media anytime someone white says something remotely controversial. Meanwhile, they sling the same foul language about among themselves and about one another. The Left needs victims, otherwise they have nowhere to go. When people realize tehy are in control of their own destiny, they are no longer victims. But victims need saving, and the Democrats want to be seen as the saviors, and to do that they need a victim - so they make them.
only the lower class gutter trash use the N word
July 17, 2008 - 16:51 ET by UndercoverConservativeYou've never heard the "N word" used with dripping contempt and vile derision, till you've heard it used by a hard working, honest, middle class "african american" towards some gang-banging, child-raping, welfare-abusing, drug dealing, street corner standing, "always a victim, held down by The Man" types.
Except when glorified to the kids thru (c)rap music, television, movies, and thug/prison culture, only the lowest class individuals use the big N to refer to each other in anything less than vile insult.
Just like we have "white trash", "rednecks", "Cockneys", and other derisive names for the less educated, unlucky, poorer, and sometimes even stupider people, "african" americans have simplified it with one N word that covers it all.
So this means Goldberg is either lying out her @ss about the use of the word to support her race-baiting allies, or is of that lowbrow level culturally. Like the Beverly Hillbillies without the honest livin' and devotion to family.
"to call an illegal immigrant an "undocumented alien" is the same as calling a streetcorner drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".
"You spend your money anyway you want and respect other's rights to do the same"
Here's my view on it.
July 17, 2008 - 16:59 ET by Cureboy675Here's my view on it. Some people find that word offensive and hurtful. That's all I need to know and that's why I would never personally say that word.
I don't care if the entire African American community says it to each other. Its not like I'm looking for permission to use that word because I have an overwhelming need to scream it at the top of my lungs.
→ Don't call me honky, honky
July 17, 2008 - 17:12 ET by Cool ArrowYou don't see the hypocrisy?
Could you give us some personal examples?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
Personal examples of what?
July 17, 2008 - 18:17 ET by Cureboy675Personal examples of what? Of instances where I didn't say the N-Word?
You want a good personal example. Here's one: The word "queer". I actually have that word tattooed on my right arm, Totally true. Why? Part of it being the gay thing. But mostly because the original definition of the word: "Deviating from the expected or normal; strange" totally applies to me. I love that definition.
I honestly couldn't care less what people call me. Now you say a hateful word about somebody I care about, that's a totally different story. But that's just me.
Do I personally think Whoopi Goldberg is being a hypocrite? Yes. But then again, she's lived a totally different life than me and has had different life experiences. We all see things from a different point of view. Not even all blacks agree with her that its OK to say that word amongst themselves.
The only thing I can personally do is be respectful and try not hurt somebody on such a personal, hateful level.
<i> The only thing I can
July 17, 2008 - 22:54 ET by bretzysdude<i>
The only thing I can personally do is be respectful and try not hurt somebody on such a personal, hateful level. </i>
The problem with that goal is that no matter what you say, even in a respectful level, somebody is going to be oversensitive about it and start calling you a racist/sexist/homophobe/xenophone/nationalist blah blah freakin' blah. They think they are justified after so many years of repression. But two wrongs don't make a right. Try not hurting all you can, it won't work.
Well, fortunately we live
July 18, 2008 - 00:03 ET by Cureboy675Well, fortunately we live in a world where, if a person of any sex, race, creed, religion or sexual orientation cuts you off in traffic: Nobody will ever call you insensitive if you roll down your window and say "You god-da**ed, mother f***ing, s**t for brains son of a b**ch why don't you watch where the f*** you're going!"
I semi-serious. I have no qualms about cursing somebody out, no matter who they are, but I would never use a word like the N-word. There's a difference between being angry and being just plain hurtful.
I have a little story
July 18, 2008 - 09:54 ET by general companyI have a little story to tell about this word. Once upon a time I was a project manager for a modest building being constructed. We had all types of folks there helping us get this building built. I had a General who's son was ramroding the bulk of the work. This guy had a terrible temper and used the N-word constantly. I had a meeting with his Dad and him about this, I told them if I heard it one more time I was going to run him off, I made it clear. I did not even think he deserved the warning to be honest. The black guys on his crew hated him because he blamed most of his mistakes on them. I knew this because I talked to everyone on the site just about every day. So about 2 days later I am telling this guy to leave the site and not to come back. His Daddy threw a big stink, had lawyers calling my house, threatened me, even tried to hit me at one point. I/we didn't budge, we simply had a few other folks write statements about his abusive behavior, then listen to his Dad for the rest of the project tell us how he really isn't that bad. Geez. One thing I do recall is his lawyer telling me, that since the blacks on the job were using the word, then he had every right to it as well. Now I cant tell you weather or not they were using the N-word, most were on there best behavior when I was around. But after the bru haha, I decided to invite all of the contractors and their workers to the weekly contractors meeting. I told them I did not want to here the N-word or quite a few other words as well, I made it clear to them that at times we had many children in ear shot and how if we wanted any respect for ourselves then we must start by giving it to our fellow craftsmen. The job continued, the guys had some fun with it like using the word bleep instead of curse words. I had quite a few of them both black and white tell me that they felt it helped increase communication and prevent animosity. For a project that started off so poorly, I really enjoyed the people and the work they did.
Today, I have these types of meeting at the start of every project. Even though I have been guilty of it as well, nobody should think it is ok to denigrate anyone with any word.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
So if it's a different
July 17, 2008 - 16:16 ET by athoughtor2So if it's a different world then, then "whites can set their own rules?" How do you think that would play out? I'm sorry but in our world we do not want black women on ABC during the day, Whoopi you are out. So I guess it would be ok for 89% of the white population to vote for McCaain, b/c we live in 2 different worlds. Once again the hypocrisy is mind numbing. Whoopi and some others want to have their own world when it suits them but then want 1 world when it suits them. I will say it's not the whole population that thinks like her, but wow!
Term of endearment?
July 17, 2008 - 16:17 ET by GalvanicBEHAR: No, I just wanted to say that I thought the "n" word that he used was "nuts."
Behar's closing comment pretty well sums up the conversation that these four women strangled the logic out of. She didn't even know that the "n-word" being discussed was nigger, stemming from the recent revelation of Jackson's open-mike comment. The nuts issue was already over.
But more to the point, or the lack of one, of this typical discussion on The View. It's evidence that a 4-person dialogue can be powered by a single brain cell when logic and facts are deemed unnecessary and unwanted.
Once again, Joy speaks, and
July 17, 2008 - 16:23 ET by motherbeltOnce again, Joy speaks, and removes all doubt.
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
if blacks and whites live in different worlds..
July 17, 2008 - 16:17 ET by szampif blacks and whites live in different worlds, I can say that the white's world is open to the blacks but the same is not true for the other way around.
Any institution that is for whites only would be considered racist in today's world, However, there are TV channels for blacks, churches for blacks, various awards just for blacks, sports tournaments for blacks, admission quotas for blacks. Most of these racist ideas are proposed by liberals. Now try to create anything that is specific for whites to see what happens.
There is something just for whites...
July 17, 2008 - 16:24 ET by rogue9772It's called 'hate crimes'.
They're all just for us. Aren't we so lucky?
Whoopie
July 17, 2008 - 16:20 ET by cayenne523Whoopie guess what? Some of us actually wish blacks lived in another world. I wonder if that wor;d could survive without whites? Look at Africa for a clue.
is this a serious comment?
July 17, 2008 - 16:33 ET by DFCwow, maybe racism is still rampant in this country
even if it is, 1 persons
July 17, 2008 - 16:37 ET by athoughtor2even if it is, 1 persons comments doesn't make it rampant
racism is rampant the DNC
July 17, 2008 - 16:40 ET by TruthMongerracism is rampant
the DNC keeps it alive and well
good point
July 17, 2008 - 17:04 ET by DFCwhen your right, your right
→ I don't know DFC
July 17, 2008 - 17:14 ET by Cool ArrowSeems like instead of playing "Spot the Troll", somebdy in a self appointed position of authority would be pointing out racist comments.
Here's hoping that comment gets slammed hard. Good catch.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
*cough* racism *cough*
July 17, 2008 - 17:07 ET by ThatDudeNot to argue the point that there are people who think that way, but it's still inappropriate. I'm tired of all the discussions on race focusing on negative differences. Judge people for who they are, not what they look like. If they would stop injecting race into everything, then we truly could achieve what MLK and many before and since dream of. Blaming the problems in Africa on the fact that most of its inhabitants are black is ridiculous. So much of the problems there has to do with the local climate and tribal/political feuds. In fact, you could make your same broad claim about any race based on their pre-industrialized countries. Not to say that we should give the continent more aid, but once they somewhat modernize, they should be able to fix the problems they are constantly drilled over.
cayenne...
July 17, 2008 - 17:22 ET by Clear thinkerSounds like you are a racist, what say you?
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
Frustrated, not racist
July 18, 2008 - 02:38 ET by expatriotCT,
Your immediate, and others on this thread, leap to Cayenne being racist for pointing out the uncomfortable fact that the Black Africans who inherited the countries previously run by White Africans have run those countries into the ground and have denied more rights to the citizens of those countries than the White Africans ever did is predictable. Rhodesia was the bread basket of Africa. Robert Mugabe and his "enlightened" policies have driven a majority of the citizens from the country and reduced the country to poverty. South Africa is now less prosperous than it was under Apartheid. Not saying Apartheid was good, it was not, but the country did do better under white rule. Do the research and you will see that Somalia was considered a Riviera type city before the country gained its "independence".
I believe cayenne is a frustrated as many other posters on this thread and was brave enough to state bluntly what he felt. Every one else is tip toeing around the subject. Goldberg and her ilk are infestations of evil and wrong thinking in this country. They are the true bigots, racists and hatemongers in America. The Americans that I know and work with who happen to be much darker complected than I am are Americans, not black. Not anything else. We get along, have the same desire to take care of our families and work to be successful. We are not owed nor are we deserving of special privaledge.
That is the point. There is the "black" world and then there is the American dream. Goldberg is welcome to her world and because I am an American in the true sense of the word, she is welcome in mine if she is willing to earn it.
Love ya!
July 17, 2008 - 16:20 ET by SickofLibsBLOHAR: "No, I just wanted to say that I thought the "n" word that he used was "nuts."
Oh, my little dimwitted Blohar - either in a complete drooling stupor or blabbling uncontrollably - don't ever change!
TWO WORLDS? WELL, PICK ONE...NOW
July 17, 2008 - 16:36 ET by reelman46Ya mean blacks live in a "world" of 76% fornication families? A world of "outside, use me" families'? In a world of dissing education? In a world of "ya owe me"? In a world of slang lingo and violence? In a world of "its still 1940 or 1840'? In a world where you "get aboard a bus, get some payoff and be taken to vote with a completed ballot"? Why do so many choose that world every single day?
Personal decisions destroy a "family" ... then a culture. Morals matter, character counts. The sad part is Cosby and a few others have tried to wake up (their) black culture but get hammered (ya talking down to us) while the race pimps like JJ and Al are worshipped. There is big money in keeping YOUR people down. Its disgusting.
We all cry for the children BUT (like good moslems and the radicals) the many good black folks MUST speak out daily... regardless of being branded by the status quo false black idols getting rich off of destroying much of a culture. Very very sad.
Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)
No the only person that cant
July 18, 2008 - 05:57 ET by USA4freedomNo the only person that cant use those words are Jessie Jackson..
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
It time for the media to act professionally
July 17, 2008 - 16:21 ET by ZachJonesIsHomeI really like HASSELBECK. She handles herself just fine as the only conservative.
It seems that the Obama campaign has a long history of
hiding everything that may be questionable in nature. The National Review
article below lends more support to Larry Sinclair’s allegations that he and
Sen. Obama engaged in the illegal use of cocaine and engaged in gay sex in
1999. Please Consider: Obama-Larry
Sinclair No Record of Dates in Question? zachjonesishome.wordpress.com
Specifically:
http://zachjonesisho...
zachjonesishome.wordpress.com
Whitey, we don't need ya!
July 17, 2008 - 16:26 ET by pocomocoNo, Whoopi, it's blacks who WANT a different world where they don't have to assimilate becuase it would be beneath them.
It is obvious that, in spite of the fact that blacks were freed over one hundred years ago by Republicans, today they prefer to remain on a plantation called the Democrat Party.
Never mind that the Democrats were responsible for hanging blacks, stood in the school house doors, opposed the Civil Right Act, and destroyed the black family by putting them on welfare - all later remedied by the Republican Party, blacks have trouble seeing the forest for the trees.
Instead, they follow the Democrat Party’s bought and paid for poverty pimps Jackson and Sharpton hoping that they will bring them to their promise land where ‘whitey’ ceases to exist.
Then, at that point, they can reconstruct America in the image of Zimbabwe where everyone is equal.
Stockholm syndrome I think
July 17, 2008 - 17:32 ET by wizardjrConsider that the Demoncrats held the blacks as slaves into 1865 (more or less, depending on when you think they actually got 'free'). Most of them wandered off to try their luck, but it seems many were right back again, begging for work, etc. Today the greatest majority of black Americans actually honor and protect their (earlier) oppressors. They even sign up for all the soul destroying "programs" that the Dims come up with. I think it's Stockholm Syndrome.
More "conversation on race" I see...
July 17, 2008 - 16:22 ET by krendlerThe usual "conversation on race" that the black community and black leaders are constantly asking for: If you're black, lay into whites and how oppressive and racist America and its government is. If you're not black, sit there and take it and accept your status as Evil Racist. And if you disagree or criticize the black community, it's "How dare you comment on anything related to the black community. Shut your racist white mouth!"
It's literally to the point where a white person can't utter the word "black" - regardless of the context - without blacks within earshot freaking out (see the recent "black hole" incident).
Can't wait to watch CNN's BLACK IN AMERICA next week after their mini-doc DAUGHTERS OF LEGACY this past week. You'd think blacks were like 75% of the population or something. I'm sure CNN and Soledad will be following up with WHITE IN AMERICA, ASIAN IN AMERICA, HISPANIC IN AMERICA, SOUTH ASIAN IN AMERICA and MUSLIM IN AMERICA any week now.
define racism
July 17, 2008 - 17:33 ET by DFCyour right...the term racism has been so skewed as to encompass anything somebody of one race says about somebody of another race. The result of this? It makes the "conversation on race" an impossiblity.
Liberals and Racism
July 17, 2008 - 16:25 ET by AmericanEnergistDid anyone notice that the liberals bring up race all the time? 'Is Barack 'black' enough?', 'The only blacks at a Republican gathering are the cleaning staff.', etc, etc. They even took on Colin Powell as not being 'black enough' and hated him in spite of his superior intellect and accomplishments. It was only after General Powell came out in opposition of some of the administrations policies that re regained some of the media's praise.
In the meantime, the Republicans don't tout how diverse the upper echelon has been over the last two terms. There have been more women and minorities in the Bush administration in American history, yet the MSM portrays the Republicans as mysogynists, homophobic and zenophobic haters.
Ms. Goldberg, grow up and lead! The 'victim' scthick is way past old.
www.ArmchairEnergist...
Blacks & Whites Live in Different Worlds
July 17, 2008 - 16:28 ET by GothampcThat's for sure. I'm white, but I'd like to live in Oprah Winfrey'$ world. I'd settle for half of Oprah'$ world. I'm not stingy, even a quarter of Oprah'$ world would be sufficient for me.
So Whoopi wants things to
July 17, 2008 - 16:30 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsSo Whoopi wants things to be 'seperate but equal'. Where have I heard that before?
D
Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.
Here we have someone who
July 17, 2008 - 18:40 ET by Chris NormanHere we have someone who knows how to put it perfectly succinctly. Darn, I wish I had said this.
McNotObama '08
Consider the source
July 17, 2008 - 16:33 ET by BigSpoon65BigSpoon65
Maybe Whoopi does live in a different world. A world where they must vote every couple of years to decide if blacks are going to retain their right to vote. This woman hasn't got a clue and the more she opens that piehole she calls a mouth, the more uneducated she proves that she is. Just another liberal sycophant who mimics the marxist talking points like every other mindless liberal drone. I thought finding someone dumber than Rosie wouldn't be possible but perhaps Whoopi has her beat. Still waiting for Rosie to pull an I-beam out of a mine because as she has informed us, fire cannot melt steel!
CORRECT - AMEN - We live in 2 different Worlds
July 17, 2008 - 16:38 ET by JayTeeTo live in MY world, The Jesse Jackson world would have to PULL YOUR PANTS UP, put your hat on straight, quit spray painting the town after midnite, and quit using the MF N words all the Time.
Otherwise ... your are not in my World and you live in a free Country....free to screw around
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
The View rightfully belongs
July 17, 2008 - 16:40 ET by marvlThe View rightfully belongs on MTV, where its lowbrow intellectual content is a good fit with MTV's 13 year old baggy pants demographic. And were it possible for Joy Blooper and Whoopi Cushion to breed, they would produce the world's first human offspring with a negative Intelligence Quotient. I also pondered a cross breeding between Whoopi Cushion and Keith Olbermutt, but that mental picture frightened me so much I had to call my doctor for a thorazine script.
Whoopi is so full of....
July 17, 2008 - 16:49 ET by Clear thinkercrapola!
I am a white male.
I am a Conservative.
I am a registered Republican.
I am NOT a racist!
In my world of friends, family, and aquaintences, the only racists I know are Democrats!
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
Wow. Coincidence alert.
July 17, 2008 - 16:52 ET by Cureboy675Wow. Coincidence alert. The only racists I know are the Republicans I work with.
Maybe so, but I will bet
July 17, 2008 - 17:01 ET by Clear thinkerMaybe so, but I will bet good money that they are NOT Conservatives.
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
That's true. I never did
July 17, 2008 - 18:22 ET by Cureboy675That's true. I never did actually work with Jesse Helms.
Wotta crock..
July 17, 2008 - 17:04 ET by Army BratAnyone with more than three brain cells firing, knows full well that racism knows no party affiliation or race.
I rode with some Black friends in Florida in the 70's and they made fun of, and called other Blacks monkey, caveman and in general ridiculed other Blacks for being darker of skin color than they were!!
So cut the crap about how ones political affilitation has a damned thing to do with racism. Generally speakin', racism is a family thing.
Coincidence is coincidence and nothing more.
Go to Hawaii and get off the tour. If you're anything but Asian or Hawaiian, and I mean Samoan or Tongan...you're gonna get the 1960's version of bein' black in the South. And if you happen to be Black...yer really in for a hosin'. The racism there is blatant and unapologetic.
Oh and Whoopi is a dumb broad. (That's sexist.)
Happy Trails...
Notta Crock...
July 17, 2008 - 17:16 ET by Clear thinkerI have found that Conservatives actually practice one of MLK's famous lines.
You know, the one about judging a person by the content of their character, not the color of their skin.
But you are correct, there is racism in all political parties, I just find more of it in the Dem party.
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
→ Can't argue there, cureboy
July 17, 2008 - 17:05 ET by Cool ArrowAnecdotal evidence is lame evidence.
Every man who has pointed a gun at me was black
Every time my wife has been mugged, a black did it.
Both statements are true. But I'd rather not stretch them into the same generalizations you might.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
Good point. By the way,
July 17, 2008 - 18:21 ET by Cureboy675Good point.
By the way, you forgot to address your little anecdote to Clear Thinker's statement as well. Simple honest mistake, I'm sure.
→ Cureboy
July 17, 2008 - 18:37 ET by Cool ArrowWhich statement by Clear would that be? That they may be Republicans but they're not Conservatives?
My post was a response to your anecdotal absolute.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
Sorry. You must have
July 17, 2008 - 18:39 ET by Cureboy675Sorry. You must have missed his anecdotal absolute (the one directly above my response to him):
"the only racists I know are Democrats!"
to which I responded:
"The only racists I know are the Republicans I work with"
I should be more clear. Deepest apologies.
Cb...
July 17, 2008 - 19:54 ET by Clear thinkerTo which I said... "Maybe so, but I will bet good money that they are NOT Conservatives."
That should clear things up for you.
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
"In my world of friends,
July 17, 2008 - 18:40 ET by balboa"In my world of friends, family, and aquaintences, the only racists I know are Democrats!"
→ Now I see it
July 17, 2008 - 18:48 ET by Cool ArrowYou're right cureboy.
I have to disagree with both yours and Clear's anecdotal generalities.
Thanks, bal.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
no, but I am a bigot
July 17, 2008 - 17:40 ET by wizardjrI hate dumb people. I've always hated dumb people. Air-headed white-guilt suburbanites tend to top the list, no matter what party they espouse to. The second largest group is the "white man keepin' me down" bunch. There are many other groups but these two probably contain the 90th percentile.
Gee, Joy Blowhard and Whoopi-trek, a two-bagger.
Why does no one ask Whoopie the real question...
July 17, 2008 - 17:20 ET by c5thenWhat 'world' do super-rich blacks live in? They don't appear to live in reality.
There seems to be a conserted effort to institute and ingrain a hypocritical dual-system where the rules are different for blacks and whites. Isn't that the same system (in reverse) that we are trying to put behind us? My mother always told us kids that two wrongs do not make a right.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
The Whoopi Worldview
July 17, 2008 - 17:46 ET by ToddonCapeCodI know I will get calls of accusations for this.
If this is the case, Whoopi, then should we try working for equal rights between races, or just throw it all away? It seems to me that following your worldview, there should be no need, because we will never actually be together.
That's because most of the 'activists' don't want to
July 17, 2008 - 18:05 ET by c5thensolve anything. They would rather have the 'issue' than have a solution.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
I think I need a flow chart
July 17, 2008 - 17:49 ET by USA4freedomI think I need a flow chart to keep up with Whoopi. Its ok for blacks to use the N word, whites would not understand, but they cant use the N word.
Is it ok for Whoopi’s boyfriend at the time to use the N word? If he was in black face? If he took off the black face, then it’s not OK? What if he is not in black face but in private? Is that OK? What if he is in black face but does not have the tuxedo on?
Like I said, it’s a little hard to work out, maybe she should send us all a chart.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.paunchstevenson.com/photos/ted-danson-blackface-2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://paunchstevenson.com/2005/12/12/ted-danson/&h=240&w=177&sz=18&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=e-Tc89YVR3Q3dM:&tbnh=110&tbnw=81&prev=/images%3Fq%3DWhoopi%2BGoldberg%2BTed%2BDanson%2Bblack%2Bface%2Bpicture%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26sa%3DX
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
can't tell the players without a program anymore
July 17, 2008 - 18:26 ET by wizardjrI think a flow chart along with a program like they had out at an opera or play would be nice. A pocket edition you could take with you would be good too. Perhaps we can make it available on the iPhone and Razr's too. </sarc>
The View
July 17, 2008 - 18:41 ET by SDSPlease NB's in charge. No more View stuff. You only give this pointless show credibility by commenting on it.
For a long time
July 17, 2008 - 19:21 ET by HeavyChevyThat word never held a place in my household growing up. you would have been beaten within an inch of your life for saying that word! That word have no "positives." it is an insult in every way, shape form and fashion. When I heard that word growing up in the streets back in the "day" it was the ultimate insult, a word to describe us doing something absolutely ignorant beyond reasonable comprehension. Whoopi is older then I and even she knew their was no positives to that word so to say that white people don't get it is asinine in itself. This is why nobody outside of our race takes us seriously anymore, because most of us have turned into hypocrites and whiners of "do as I say and not as I do." Everything we have busted our asses for in this existence has been torpedoed by people like whoopi. We have proven to this world that we can invent, defend, educate, be part of this great nation and debate with the best, only to be hosed by our own with brilliant statments like (white man's N****r, trying to act white, uncle tom, sellout and house negro) because we chose to act with our minds and not with excuses. I am not afraid (ashamed yes, but not afraid) to say most of the damage has been done because of us. The "Man" does not exist anymore a matter of fact "We" have become the "man" every time a new hip-hop video is debuted "we" are the man, when we use the "N" to congratulate each other's achievement "We" are the "man" when we belittle ourselves because we see our brothers and sisters trying to educate themselves "we" are the "man." The world is laughing at us and its not funny. If there are any trolls on this site and you run back to whatever rat hole you reside in to tell the other babies what you witnessed one of your kind have typed....drop me a line as to which site you are a part of. I will be more then happy to cut and paste this. Maybe the shock will do some of us some good. I am running a new web browser which will not space my paragraphs still tweaking with it though.
→ WOW Chevy
July 17, 2008 - 19:26 ET by Cool ArrowGreat post.
I read it twice even with the paragraph limitations you mentioned.
Thanks.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
Sadly...
July 17, 2008 - 21:26 ET by HeavyChevyAs long as their is Whoopie, BET, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson I will be doing this a lot.
HC... You spoke volumes
July 17, 2008 - 19:27 ET by bigtimerHC...
You spoke volumes and volumes.
I, for one, just want to say thank you.
(I'm having problems with my PC too)
America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
You are welcome
July 17, 2008 - 21:07 ET by HeavyChevyIts time we put the "United" back in "United States"
So Heavy,
July 17, 2008 - 19:54 ET by RESTLESS 1I gather from your post that you're... a chevy man.
Good show old chap. Very nice post.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Yep...
July 17, 2008 - 20:44 ET by HeavyChevyCut me open and I bleed "Chevy Red" :-)
black and white
July 17, 2008 - 19:45 ET by leadbellyWhoopie's said she grew up in a world where her mother could not vote. African American men got to vote in 1868 women got to vote in 1920. So what was Whoopie mother's problem?
what is Whoopie's problem?
It depends.
July 18, 2008 - 00:03 ET by ChesterBogusWhere did Whoopie grow up?
Just because laws were on the books, doesn't mean they were enforced. That's the problem with talking about race in America.
One person says, "Oh, racism is a problem." The other person says, "Racism is illegal." End of discussion, right?
Right. And nobody drank alcohol in the 20's because it was illegal, too. Your comment is, well, naive at best. Plain stupid, at worst.
Yes, legally, she could have voted from 1920 up to the present. But does that mean that practically, she was able to? Who knows? Killing black people who try to vote is an American pastime as old as...America, now that I think of it. To the present day there are accusations and evidence that white people continue to attempt to block black people from voting.
And stop to think about that: how much worse would it be for you if you had the legal right to vote, but people of another race kept you from doing it, often by threatening your life? You'd be just a touch upset, right?
And, don't even try to pull that "ancient history" crap. Look, if someone raped your mother, even before you were born, would you call that "ancient history"? No, you'd want to kill the guy that did it, even if you found him in his 80's.
I'm not trying to pull the whole reparations thing. I think reparations are a bit silly. But some respect would be nice. Just because it happened a hundred years ago, just because it happened to my mother before I was born doesn't mean it's "ancient history" to me, or you, or black people. Does that absolve them of responsibility for the mess they've found themselves in? Not entirely, but they, blacks, as a people, as a race, as human beings, deserve some credit for the shit they've put up with since this country was founded.
Hell, my family's been in America a hundred years; great-grandfather was Welsh, but I've never even been back. Do you think that means I'm not just a little sore at the English for attempting to wipe my people off the earth? "Fuck the English" is practically my motto. Human memories are long.
This is what lefties mean when they talk about naive, out of touch white people. I'm sorry, I agree with the whole culture of entitlement and inability to help yourself, but there are more issues at play here.
By the way, we DO live in separate worlds. We always have. Read some Hortence Powdermaker, please.
Oh, and it's not a double standard. It's sociolinguistics, and it's complicated.
→ Nice talk Chester
July 18, 2008 - 00:09 ET by Cool ArrowGosh, that word has four whole letters. You had a fairly cogent presentation going until you debased it wit f__k.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
Bogus Chestpain, you have the "white guilt" thing locked up.
July 18, 2008 - 00:26 ET by R D HelmAnd for future reference, I have never done anything to anybody because of their skin color, and I am about twelve miles beyond fed-up with guilt-ridden, intellectually inferior idiots like you telling me I have to afford people of color special consideration because of things that happened to them before I was even born!
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
Boguschestersen
July 18, 2008 - 00:34 ET by MrShy"To the present day there are accusations and evidence that white people continue to attempt to block black people from voting."
Don't show us the accusations, but please, PLEASE, evidence...... please. :)
And a LOT of evidence of many instances -- or more than one or two remote, isolated ones. THEN, maybe, I'll rethink things a bit.
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
AND evidence that the
July 18, 2008 - 00:39 ET by RESTLESS 1AND evidence that the people blocking said voting rights were lauded as heros, and their actions condoned by law enforcement and society.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
I don't mean to step on the
July 18, 2008 - 01:39 ET by Cureboy675I don't mean to step on the toes of Chester Bogus. But here was what I was able to find after a simple Google search:
Attempts to suppress the Black Vote in South Carolina by sending out
misinformation under a letterhead appearing to belong to the NACCP:
http://www.counterpu...
Or even better. This one's a gold mine:
http://www.pfaw.org/...
With several examples from several states. Including, but not limited to, fliers being distributed telling people they could vote up to three days after the election. Members of the Republican party paying black kids $75 to stand on busy street corners and hold up signs denouncing the Democratic candidate. "Poll watchers" (not hired by the state, mind you) approaching black voters, taking their photographs and demanding identification. Fliers in other states telling people that all parking tickets must be paid before you can vote. Signatures and additional voter documents being altered in North Carolina. That kind of thing. But I hope blacks don't think they have a monopoly on this. Because apparently there was some additional hanky-panky involving Native Americans in South Dakota.
And Restless. No I'm afraid there's not much lauding these activities as heroic. But then again, who would be that stupid? There is, however, an example of a District Attorney dropping criminal charges despite overwhelming evidence. But I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that one of those accused was the aunt of some big shot so-and-so in the state Republican party.
The examples are not
July 18, 2008 - 14:26 ET by Dan The Man 2The examples are not subtaniated and hearsay. In other words Bogus.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Yikes
July 18, 2008 - 00:36 ET by MrShyTRIPLE post!!! (man, my browser sucketh.)
double post
July 18, 2008 - 00:35 ET by MrShySorrrrrrrry!
SHY!!!
July 18, 2008 - 00:41 ET by RESTLESS 1Get it together man!!!! ;>)
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Chester,
July 18, 2008 - 00:36 ET by RESTLESS 1"Look, if someone raped your mother, even before you were born, would
you call that "ancient history"? No, you'd want to kill the guy that
did it, even if you found him in his 80's."
MY mother, yes. Some other white guy's mother, probably not so much, even if the perpetrator were black and saying "take this honkey" the whole time. I would be upset that people like this are allowed to breathe my oxygen, but I would not ascribe one person's behavior to the group as a whole.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
I like how Whoopi brings up
July 17, 2008 - 19:50 ET by BlackwaterI like how Whoopi brings up the fact that her mother couldn't vote. Lets see, that ended in the 60's! It's been 40 years and guess what Whoopi! You're a millionaire who has a successful life! You want to know why? You worked hard and acheived it not like other African-Americans who blame the white man and take handouts yet don't do anything! I have black friends who work hard and go to college and want to make something of themselves and have other ones who play the stereotype role and try to act thug and emulate rappers. I see the two going in completely different directions and it's sad.
>>> HASSELBECK: I’m
July 17, 2008 - 19:52 ET by seanrobins>>>
If by living in the same world, Whoopsie-the-Wackjob means living in the same world with her, then I'm glad we don't live in the same world.
Although, I can't imaging that there are very many people, Black or White (or green or red or purple or orange), who live in the same world with Whoopsie.
(And Hasselbeck: What a fruitcake...)
sean robins
blog.seanrobins.com
dangerous topic
July 17, 2008 - 19:56 ET by soosanI get the feeling that the venting going on right now is going to be used as an example of intolerance.
Also would mention that Whoopi's feelings sound like the perspective I hear from the Native Americans.
What a mess.
This was so far off........
July 17, 2008 - 20:31 ET by pbthinkerFirst of all, let me say that I've avoided the "n" word for years. I knew it was offensive and just didn't get involved with it. I've never used it around my children and, if I heard them repeat it, I told them I wouldn't tolerate its use, in my house.. Now, having said that, if Blacks want me to have that attitude, they had better change theirs since it's not OK for them to say it and me not to say it. I don't care if it's spelled with an 'ar or and 'er, it means the same thing.
If blacks believe they live in a different world, how can they ever hope to integrate the world we all live in? It seems to me they all want it both ways, they want the benefits of an integrated society and yet want to have their own culture, sort of like the French Canadians. Sorry, the same resentment that you feel down here, is up there in Canada, between the English and the French. If you want to continue having it that way, just keep doing what y ou're doing.
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
This is Predictable
July 17, 2008 - 20:49 ET by blogonatorThere is little value in debating the black vs. white issue. The real problem is that some, if not many, blacks have bought into the democrat siren song. These blacks keep waiting on the democrat handout that is never going to come.
Blacks complained that education was not equal so schools were integrated.
Blacks complained that jobs were not available so preferences and set-asides were established.
In the mean time Asians and Mexicans came to the US to make their fortune with little but the shirts on their backs. They have succeeded in most cases. The blacks have been stuck in mostly the same place.
So blacks must blame somebody - whitey, government, business, global warming, etc etc. But they are not willing to blame themselves. Look at the cold reception received by Bill Cosby when he tells it like it is. Look at New Orleans, Detroit, and Baltimore - black controlled hell-holes.
And now the democrat party is turning toward Hispanics and away from blacks as a source for their indentured voters.
So blacks are getting nervous but they think obama is the answer. Guess what, you are going to be fooled once again.
bingo!
July 17, 2008 - 22:44 ET by gordonYou've hit the nail squarely on the head! They can't blame themselves for one-parent families, drug use, school dropouts, so its just gotta be someone else's fault. Thats where the rest of us come in...the scapegoats! Whoopi is just another actress with an opinion, one that I value somewhat less than the opinions that come out of the rear end of my dog. What color is the sky on your world, whoopi???
You know, Blacks (sorry,
July 18, 2008 - 00:19 ET by SvenYou know, Blacks (sorry, but I don't say African American!!), like Whoopy Goldberg have absolutely NO interest in race relations improving. This "Angry Black Man and Woman" thing is really getting old! Sorry, but if you can't make it in this country in 2008, then it is your own fault! I know far too many Black men and women who've worked hard and succeded, and didn't wait around for a hand-out!
Isn't strange, whenever leading black figures (Bill Cosby, Ward Connerly and others) come out and challenge the Black community to excellence, and personal responsibility, they're ridiculed and insulted. But those who simply explain away bad behavior, and make excuses are lauded as "insightful." The only people who are keeping the black community down, is the black community. Sorry Whoopi, we do live in the same world.
Hey Whoopi, if you want a "cause" like all good liberal Hollywood types do, why not visit your black bretheren in the Sudan and other places in Africa that still practice slavery! Now this is something to really be outraged at...you pathetic liberal blowhard!
Leftists favor separatism
July 18, 2008 - 08:59 ET by Blogger Guy00001It's radical leftists like her, Wright, Farrakhan and Jackson who want separatism. They want two separate groups, with of course one group paying the expenses of the other group.
Schoolyard power trip… in
July 18, 2008 - 09:34 ET by maggieqpublicSchoolyard power trip… in my area, black teens use the n word freely. If I were to use that word, I would be in physical danger. This word in the black community is like a secret handshake…. and white people are not invited to join this membership-restricted club.
So when it comes to the n word, blacks have the power, and Whoopi and Sherri don’t appear to be in any hurry to relinquish that power. White Guilt makes it all work.