I thought the same thing. I think she said "thorazine" and it was misunderstood by whoever did the transcript. Or she mispronounced it.

St. Faustina (20th century), St. Teresa of Jesus (16th century), St. Gertrude the Great (13th century), St. Margarent Mary Alacoque (17th century), St. Catherine of Siena (14th century)... I could go on but let's just say that there are quite a few. Most of the ones I can think of are women. There are men, too, like St. Francis, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. John of the Cross, who heard the Lord's voice but on a limited basis. The women seemed to carry on longer conversations. :)

We see a humble man sawing wood. Zuba zuba zuba .. ding...NOAH.  Hello someone there?  Oh well ... Zuba zuba zuba .. ding...NOAH.  Huh whos there?  Its the LORD Noah.  Yeah right.  Classic Bill Cosby.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

ArcherB, I don't know why you are so animated in this post. At any rate, where did you find your definition of "prophet"? As I understand it, a prophet is primarily someone who speaks. Usually, prophets are also spoken to (by God), but it is their act of speaking in the name of God that makes them a prophet.

As far as saints are concerned, they are not necessarily canonized. The word just means "holy one" and there is lots of Scriptural examples of living people being called "saints." And, even some saints, in the limited sense of Catholic tradition, have never been canonized in any formal way.

The most important point, though, is that Behar doesn't know what she's talking about.

leon said:

Many behaviors associated with religion can be seen as mental illness.
Prayer = talking to an invisible being that no one has ever seen. It's
crazy, yet grown adults do it everyday.

I've never seen you. I guess you don't exist and I'm crazy for typing this at you. You're crazy for talking to the operator on the phone because you've never seen her, meaning she doesn't exist, and yet you talk with her and even hear her talking back. You are a Schitzo!

It's representative of gossiping, clucking hens with too much time on their hands and too much of a soapbox from which to preach.

no id say that pretty much typifies liberals.

the British...

The English, please, drill!!!

Great Britain did not exist until the Act of Union between Scotland and England in 1726.

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

Dude, it's only the devil in you that hates the truth. Every word that I wrote was laboriously backed up with scripture, something you clearly are incapable of doing and so you resort to name calling like a child, or a GIRL. You might have noticed that my post came with a warning, perhaps you were reading something that was intended for others. If you stop minding other peoples business, you won't be as offended.

No one alive has ever been canonized. I'm not Catholic, but I think you have to be dead for a certain number of years before canonization can even be considered.

So, NO. There are no saints alive today or ever!

Also, having God speak with you means you are a prophet, not a saint.

"I understand you are espousing that there are no Saints but those alive today? Are you saying God dosent speak to men today? Thats what is sounds like to me, here."

Dear Bass,

Since this is the first time you addressed me respectfully I will do you the courtesy of same. I did not say anything that you "gleaned", from my post. I said that the Catholic invention of voting someone into sainthood was ridiculous. I showed through scripture letters written to LIVING PEOPLE who were called "saints". Thus destroying the papal initiative which says they have to be dead "x" amount of years. I pointed out that all that is required for one to be a saint in the new testament is water baptism in Jesus name and in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. If you read either the 11th or 15th chapters of the Book of Acts you'll see that this evidence was used to quell dissension among the Apostles who were upset that Peter went to preach to the Gentiles. Upon hearing that the Gentiles at Cornelius' house in Acts 10 :44-45 had received the Holy Ghost the SAME way that the Apostles did (acts 2:4), they were mollified. After Peter recounted the events of Acts 10 he winds up this way... Acts 11:15-18

15And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

 16Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

 17Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

 18When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life. 

And that friend, is all it takes to be a "saint". Judas by the way did lose his "sainthood" although this took  place before the Holy Ghost was given, he as an apostle, was most certainly a follower of Christ if only for a while. Yes God speaks to men today, those who are saved according to the Bible not according to man, and unfortunately, there is a difference in many cases. Glad, we could have a civil exchange.

****WARNING WARNING MANY SCRIPTURES COMPLETE WITH ANALYSIS AHEAD** IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ IT ***SKIP THE POST ENTIRELY*****

Dear Rbosque

I am not part of a cult. I am part of the one faith, the APOSTOLIC FAITH as delivered to the apostles. The quotes you cite are from people who were ALREADY lost, as far as the doctrine of salvation is concerned.  

*  Christ founded one Church and one Church only. 

Absolutely true. The only problem is that it wasn't the Catholic church! It was the APOSTOLIC CHURCH founded and grounded in the APOSTLES DOCTRINE.  I will give you ten thousand dollars for every time you find the word "Catholic" in scripture.  You can't because it's not there. You blithely went past the part where I showed you that the Catholic Church was prophesied to BE the FALSE CHURCH ! ( 1Tim4:1-4) I showed you also how the Apostles were contending with false teaching even in their day, and how they prophesied that it would get exponentially worse after they died! Jude 3.4. The "canon" of the bible was indeed put together by the "catholic church" in 398 but THEY DIDN'T WRITE THE SCIPTURES, they just "collected" them! Notice the true power of Jesus in that he used the false church to put his truth together and He even forced them to include all of the things which show them to be FALSE!!!! You've heard of the ten commandments, he said with mild sarcasm? Remember the one about not "having other God's before Him and not bowing down to other God's or serving them"? What part of that do you think includes praying to Mary? or Peter? or Paul?  I showed you how just CALLING A PRIEST "FATHER" IS BLASPHEMY! And against the express COMMANDMENT OF JESUS CHRIST as it relates to the church "hierarchy"! MATT 23:9!  I showed you how the false church which INITIALLY did allow priests and nuns to get married, changed because PROPHECY said the false church would DO that! ( 1 TIM4:1-4). You write that the "sacraments are the only way to salvation" .  The problem is that you neither understand who gets to take them OR more importantly WHO gets to GIVE THEM. The doctrine of the Catholic church is that Jesus is the second guy in the "trinity" a word which exists NOWHERE in your bible! They believe falsely that he was born of Mary WHICH is why they pray to her to try and get her to get HIM to do stuff!  We know better. Jesus didn't begin with Mary, which is why the three times he addressed her in scripture in two of them, he calls her Woman and in the third he mocks her presence outside of a place where he is teaching. She was not "converted" yet. The bible says that you can determine what Spirit exists inside a church by their understanding of the deity of Christ.  The Apostle John frames it thusly,...

2john 1:6,7 

 7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

 8Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 

The Catholic Church does NOT confess that Jesus Christ has COME into the world. They believe that he BEGAN in the world having his beginning in the womb of Mary! In order to COME into the world you had to have an existence SOME PLACE ELSE. If they believed this they certainly wouldn't waste time and blaspheme by praying to a woman that needed the Holy Ghost to be saved like everyone else! Keep reading you'll see! That's why JOHN doesn't CALL JESUS merely the Son, in John 1:1. He calls him the WORD of GOD. Something the Pope is yet to comprehend.  You say that all one has to do is take communion and you're saved. That is a rudimentary and simplistically false understanding of scripture. Didn't Paul say that without Christ's Spirit YOU DON'T BELONG TO JESUS? ROM 8:9, we'll come back to that it's printed below! The only Church formed in the Bible had nothing to do with the catholic church, it was formed on the APOSTLES' DOCTRINE. That is why we call ourselves "apostolic"!

Acts 2:42
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

The Catholic Church does not teach the apostles doctrine, they just SAY that they do, they teach a doctrine that hearkens back to John the Baptist who told the people to follow after Jesus. When Jesus was asked by Nicodemus what it took to be saved, basically, the conversation went like this..

John 3

 1There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

 2The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

 3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

 4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

As you can see from the above, Jesus didn't tell Nicodemus "just believe" or any other pablum that is preached in most churches, including the Catholic Church today. In fact a good exercise to perform would be to take a church doctrine and find a similar place in scripture and see if it holds up. There are churches that regard reception of the Holy Ghost as little more than a "mindset". Meaning, that once one has come to some basic acknowledgment of Christ, that's it, now you try to be a good person, etc. But is that what Jesus told this man who risked his life to come to him? The catholic church and it's offshoots, Protestant, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist and Baptist, with the exception of "First Baptists" teach that they are saved according to Romans 10:9 and John 3:16, both of which talk GENERALLY about salvation not specifically. In BOTH cases, in those very same chapters SPECIFIC instructions are given that the Catholic Church ignores! In John 3 the instruction was that one must be born again. Jesus told Nicodemus that the "newbirth" was twofold, consisting of WATER baptism and SPIRITUAL baptism. He also in verse number EIGHT said that the "wind" which is a metaphor for the Holy Ghost, "blows where ever it want to (listeth, like a ship tossed on the sea) and that the only evidence of that wind is THE INDETERMINATE SOUND that you cannot tell the origin or destination of. Jesus then says that this is true FOR EVERYONE that is Born of the Spirit. If you combine that with what Jesus expounded further about the "sound" that accompanies believers...

Mark 16:17

17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

You'll begin to see a clearer picture. The Catholic church and it's offshoots listed above do not teach this. They teach that there is no evidence that one has received the Holy Ghost and that speaking in tongues is not necessary. In this, they confuse the Spirit's initial manifestation with the similar, though not like, gift of diverse tongues. The proof that they are wrong is located plentifully throughout scripture. 

 When John the Baptist was baptizing folk and Jesus presented himself and his disciples John said this....

Matt 3:11

11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

John's baptism was TEMPORARY and was only viable for a short time to give the hard hearted Jewry the concept of Repentance, something that Peter will expound on later. Point being, the Pope tells you that there is no proof that one has received the Holy Ghost but John said don't believe in me believe in He who will baptize you with the Holy Ghost. So, how would they know the difference?  He was talking to people he had just baptized or was about to baptize. He specifically tells the about Jesus, who would walk up in a few minutes, so how would they know the difference between Jesus' spiritual baptism and John's water baptism. Jesus himself told you in John 3:8! AND mark 16:17

The Catholic Church baptizes people in the empty titles of "Father, Son and Holy Ghost", falsely interpreting this scripture. 

Matt 28:19

 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

NOTICE that the word NAME is SINGULAR! Not "name's", that's because Matthew knew that there was only ONE NAME that encompassed these three TITLES! And that the name is JESUS! See, by the time you get to the end of Matthew you are effectively at the end of Mark, Luke and John, as they all tell the same story from slightly different points of emphasis. Matthew knew that Jesus had told Philip that HE WAS THE FATHER and that when they had SEEN JESUS they had SEEN THE FATHER!

JOHN 14:5-10

5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

 8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

See early on Matthew told you that Joseph was reluctant to take Mary his betrothed for his wife because she popped up PREGNANT and Joseph knew that he didn't do it! To calm his fears the Angel told Joseph,

Matt 1:20

20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

While you and I started out in life with a HUMAN SPIRIT, the only SPIRIT that existed in the fleshly body of JESUS CHRIST was the SPIRIT OF GOD! The HOLY GHOST! Which is why John said

John 1:1, 14

1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

See, the relationship between Jesus and the Father is MORE than just that of a "Father" who has a "son". It says that we beheld his glory "AS OF" the only begotten etc. Which means that it was explained to you in the terms which finite minds could understand! But Jesus instructed his Apostles that there was MORE to it than that! Similarly he told them that the "Father" would send the HOLY GHOST in JESUS' NAME! Proving that Holy Ghost is merely a "title".

John 14:26

26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

So if the Holy Ghost is coming in Jesus' name, what's the name of the being that occupies the title of "holy Ghost"? Jesus! The apostles CLEARLY understood this this way. Remember Paul's admonition to those who don't HAVE the Holy Spirit? Now, this is usually used to show those beguiled by false doctrine that there must be some way of determining that one either has or DOESN'T have the HOLY GHOST, which is contrary to those who say it has NO EVIDENCE. But it can also be used to show you that the Apostles understood it to be the very SPIRIT OF JESUS CHRIST, not some third independent member of some "trinity".

Romans 8:9

9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

See how the "Spirit of God" and "Spirit of Christ" are used INTERCHANGEABLY? 

The problem with the false baptism comes from multiple "interpretations" of the scriptures. But these things are NOT SUPPOSED TO BE INTERPRETED BY YOU OR I . They were ALREADY INTERPRETED by the APOSTLES! What did PETER tell the people who MOCKED HIS SPEAKING IN TONGUES??? (Acts 2:13) He told them that this was the sign of God's promised SPIRIT! ( ACTS 2:13-18) So who is your pastor, or the pope to say it is NOT? We are supposed to be OBEDIENT! In the first chapter of the book of ACTS Jesus tells his Apostles NOT TO LEAVE JERUSALEM until they receive the Holy Ghost ( acts 1:4-8). If there is no evidence of it as the Catholic Church and it's offshoots allege, how would they know when to leave? Remember, they say all you have to do is "believe" well, didn't the Apostles "believe", weren't they standing there TALKING WITH JESUS? Why didn't he say, when I get to heaven I'll send back my spirit but since you already believe you'll be fine? Why does he say this instead?

If you read the first and second chapters of the Book of Acts you will see that all of these people were there on the DAY OF PENTECOST when the Apostles and disciples received the Holy Ghost. 

Acts 1:13

13And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.

Notice that I highlighted MATTHEWS name, since they get their false baptism from his book, perhaps they should have considered that MATTHEW was right beside PETER also speaking in tongues when PETER said the following.

ACTS 2:38

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Now not only did MATTHEW not object, he helped to baptize the more than three thousand people who got saved that day!!!( ACTS 2:41) Because, clearly Matthew understood the "Fulness of the Godhead to dwell in JESUS CHRIST" ( Col 2:8,9). Matt was written approximately 60 AD, which means that by the time it was written all of the MANY BAPTISMS IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST that chronicle the FOUNDATION of the church ALREADY TAKEN PLACE. The catholic church knows full well that it was PETER  to whom Jesus gave the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. Again the problem comes from being disobedient, trying to interpret something that was clearly SPELLED OUT FOR YOU. They err in that they think they are following the "words of Christ" since they appear IN RED in their bible. As if there were some conflict between what Matthew wrote and what Peter said. SILLY RABBITS! Common sense should have told them that JESUS didn't write MATTHEW either, other than by inspiration, so they are STILL taking someone else's word for what was said! The same someone who BAPTIZED PEOPLE ALONG SIDE PETER,  IN JESUS' NAME, FOR YEARS!

The reason that I went into all of this my friend is because you sought to interpret the bible by reading the writings of people who had no relationship to the Apostles. This is ERROR. The scriptures themselves should be your ONLY guide as to what Christ is or IS NOT calling for. That's the reason I take so much time to either reprint them or cite them, so you can read for yourself what the WORD has to say, not some numbnutz named "KEITH". LOL. I realize that I'm going to rub those flower children the wrong way, the one's who say, "it doesn't matter how you're baptized it's all about faith, or love or love and faith!" In order to pre-empt them I'll say, "Oh yeah? Then why is this in your bible as well as mine?"

EPHESIANS 4:5

5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

The only "denomination" that Jesus is going to recognize is the one that does what he said to do. Being baptized was of PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE to both HIS Apostles and to HIMSELF. If that weren't so, then why would an Apostle, on the run for his life, take the time out to RE-BAPTIZE people who had been baptized in "the Baptism of JOHN", like the Catholic Church? Hmmmmm.

ACTS 19:1-6

1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.     *( According to the false churches, it would be impossible for anyone to ANSWER this question because they tell you that one cannot prove that one HAS the Holy Ghost)

 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. (if it didn't matter how they were baptized why would the Apostle ask them?)

 4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 

 5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

 6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. ( why do you think it tells you that they spoke in tongues? Because it's consistent with what Jesus said, (John 3:8, Mark 16:17) and it's consistent with what happened to the Apostles and disciples! THAT'S WHY)

 7And all the men were about twelve.

Notice how Eph 4:5 said there was only ONE FAITH? Well it's the faith that was delivered directly from Christ to His Apostles and from them to us. It's called the Apostolic Doctrine because Jesus is the Chief Apostle.

Eph 2:19,20

19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

 20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Hie thee unto any apostolic church that will baptize you properly and tarry with you until you too, speak in the tongues of men and angels. (Tarry means "wait", btw) God bless you.

 Exactly what is it you think I don't know about the scriptures you cited. The first one below deals with the church being founded on the truth that Peter was made privvy to. What is the significance of recounting Christ's transfiguration where he greeted Moses and ElijaH? I know it but I don't think you do. Because your church doesn't teach that Jesus had an existence BEFORE the womb of Mary, which mine does. That of course was the PURPOSE of the transfiguration, to show that both MOSES AND ELIJAH KNEW CHRIST! IF your church understood that they would baptize in JESUS' name not the empty titles of Father Son and Holy Ghost. So I'm perplexed by what you think they mean. 

St Paul says I urge you to imitate me, which again YOU HAVE NOT DONE! Paul was BAPTIZED in JESUS' NAME, why not you? Paul spoke in tongues when he received the Holy Ghost, why haven't you?

The Spirit of unity was among those who held onto the truth it was not to sacrifice truth for FALSEHOOD so we could "all get along". That's is beyond ridiculous. Read Jude 3, 4 or 2John or google False prophets and see how many scriptures tell you to keep the doctrine of salvation as pure as it was delivered to the Apostles? Which the Catholic church as certainly NOT DONE! 

You then in a most perplexing way end on a scripture which talks about the dead being raised by the power of the Holy Ghost being loosed from the earthly body of Jesus. Something that your church ignores COMPLETELY or they'd know that the NAME of the Holy Ghost is JESUS! Then in almost jaw dropping fashion you imply that all of these scriptures you printed are "along the same lines", Huh? What'd you do go to some "bible commentary" cite and just copy what they gave you without knowing them for yourself? Seems like it to me.  

Man you people are unable to understand what you read. More proof that without the Holy Ghost one is LOST. You seem to think, erroneously, that the CHURCH was built on PETER somehow. That is stupid beyond belief. Here is the section of scripture which you're taking out of context. 

Matt 16:13-19

 13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

 18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

 19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

The ROCK in question was not "Peter", it was Peter's understanding of who Christ IS. He called Simon "Peter" because of this principle understanding. You will notice that he then GAVE THE KEYS of the Kingdom to PETER (V.19). Even in your flawed understanding you are STILL wrong! IF Jesus said to Peter that "whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Then explain why you haven't been baptized properly in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST since PETER specifically SAID THIS?......

ACTS 2:38

 38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

SEE? Even under your erroneous theory you STILL haven't been obedient! How about the "necessity of glossalalia when receiving the Holy Ghost?" Since you're so hung up on Peter, let's see what he had to say about that shall we? After the Apostles and disciples had received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues as the SPIRIT giveth utterance, they descended onto the street. Your false church says that there is no evidence one has received the Holy Ghost . Eerily similar to those who mocked PETER SPEAKING IN TONGUES!  

Acts 2:4

 4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 2:13-21

13Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

 14But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

 15For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

 16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

 17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

 18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

 19And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

 20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

 21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Since PETER specifically tells them that the very thing they're MOCKING  ( speaking in tongues) is in fact the sign of the outpouring of GOD'S spirit that they were supposed to expect since the PROPHET JOEL (Joel 2:32-38) WHY DOESN'T THE FALSE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACH THIS????? Since you guys are so hung up on Peter, that is. Since PETER is the one who winds up his sermon by telling you that the Holy Ghost DOES have evidence that you can both SEE and HEAR, why do you go to a church that denies this?

Acts 2:33

 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 

Your church which you believe to be founded on Peter, doesn't even follow what PETER said to DO! Does that make sense? I think not.

Actually Queen I have to apologize to everyone because I didn't know that an "alternative forum" even existed! But I couldn't just tell you " that I just disagree with the teachings of the Catholic Church". That's what too many others do, they talk about what THEY believe. What I, or any of you for that matter, believe, is of little or no consequence if it doesn't line up with the Word. That is why I take the time to show you that the WORD is against the Catholic Church, I have many of them in my family whom I love dearly , they are simply wrong. Not according to Keith but according to Christ. That's why I prove EVERY POINT that I make with scripture, if others did this, we wouldn't have this mess in the first place.

You bring the bagels and schmear ...

I'll bring the coffee!