'View's' Behar: Prayer a 'Distraction'

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"The View’s" Joy Behar considers prayer a "distraction" from achieving scientific results. On the November 14 edition of "The View," the co-hosts discussed Georgia Governor Sonny Perdue’s prayer service for drought relief. Whoopi Goldberg, surprisingly defended the governor, but Joy Behar, just like Rosie O’Donnell, fretted about the "separation of church and state," and hinted the Georgia residents should be praying to Al Gore instead.

"Well, they need to be praying to people who will fix global warming and take care of the environment because that's more realistic."

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Co-host Sherri Shepherd asked Behar what she would say if indeed there is rain, which is in the forecast. Behar gave a dismissive response.

SHEPHERD: And what do you do when- gosh we have seen so many miracles- if it starts raining?

BEHAR: Well, then I would consider that a coincidence. But that's me because I'm the way I am.

Joy Behar continued her "distraction" line charging that prayer can distract us from advancements in the medical field. Shepherd and Whoopi responded that God provides to mankind this science for man to explore with Whoopi asking why we can’t have both prayer and science.

BEHAR: I don't object to prayer. I was raised Catholic. I got my communion, my confirmation, the baptism, the whole thing. It’s just that people pray to cure themselves of cancer and it doesn't happen. It's not an open-and-shut situation. I don't like to be distracted by prayer when there should be medicine, when there should be science. That's all I'm saying. It's like prayer to me is the cherry on the cake. It's not the cake. The cake is medical science.

SHEPHERD: Prayer for me is the person who tells me how to make the cake. Because if he tells me how to make the cake, then everything else falls into place.

[Applause]

BEHAR: Well, I know that this is an unpopular position that I take.

GOLDBERG: It's not unpopular to me because my question is why can't we have it all?

FOX: You can.

GOLDBERG: That's what I think. Why can’t we- I believe, if you believe in a smart God, which I do, that all of this information we have is directly there for us to grow from.

The entire transcript is below.

WHOOPI GOLDBERG: You know, yesterday, the governor of Georgia held a prayer service outside on the mall-esque part of the, of the Capitol. He invited all denominations to come and pray, didn't make any, you know, say only you. He said everybody who wants to join in here can come and pray. And what they were praying for was praying for rain. Now, one of the things that I found astonishing is that, in watching different television programs, people seemed to have lost their mind that he would pray for rain. And I thought to myself, but the American Indians prayed for rain. Everyone prays for rain. What’s the problem? And people said, well, he's on the Capitol. But he wasn't. He was not in the Capitol where so you can't have any discussion about separation of church and state. But we are in a very interesting time with religion because people are really frightened it seems to me. Do you feel the same way?

JOY BEHAR: Now, wait a minute, before you go off that you say it's not separation, he is the governor. He is supposed to practice separation of church and state.

GOLDBEG: And he did, and he did.

BEHAR: Just because he wasn't in the Capitol steps I’m saying --

GOLDBERG: No, he wasn’t in the Capitol. Now, the separation, he can do whatever he wants to do outside of the building.

BEHAR: Even if he is the governor of Georgia?

GOLDBERG: Even if he's the governor of Georgia. If he wants to have a thing-

SHERRI SHEPHERD: I like that. We’ve done everything we can do. We’re trying to pray to somebody higher than us to make something happen.

BEHAR: Well, they need to be praying to people who will fix global warming and take care of the environment because that's more realistic.

SHEPHERD: But right then, that’s what’s going on there was they have been in a drought and they needed water. So they were praying for what was going on right now. And I'm sure everybody in that city would have agreed with him.

GOLDBERG: But, but, I guess my question, and jump in any time, my question is why is it a question? If he decides to do it -- I mean, he wasn't, and again he wasn’t inside the legislature. He wasn't anywhere where you could really say he was doing anything wrong and people, I mean people were vicious.

BEHAR: Well, that's not necessary, to be vicious about it. But I think that people are responding to what they perceive to be irrationality. In other words, you can pray until the cows come home, it may not rain. But that’s the point.

SHEPHERD: That's where faith comes in. It's not an irrational thing we have faith.

JORJA FOX: But I think there were three Protestant ministers there. And so the next time they do it, it would be great perhaps if there was a wider community, inter-denominational. And I think people will, will-

GOLDBERG: But they were all interfaith and a lot of folks came, a lot of folks of different colors, different faiths, a couple Buddhists were there, and a lot of interesting folks. And I just thought, well, listen, if it doesn't hurt the situation, what's the --

SHEPHERD: What do you got to lose? What do you have to lose?

BEHAR: It's a distraction from the fact that there is scientific evidence that we are in the midst of global warming, which is causing a lot of these droughts and fires. So let's focus on the rationality at of it instead-

SHEPHERD: Well, Joy, when we go through stuff and your pants are too short, and you’re feeling like your clothes are too tight. We know that there's global warming but you want it fixed right now. [laughter] I’m just saying that sometimes there’s issues- [applause] we know that there’s global warming. We know that there's global warming.

BEHAR: Yeah, so let’s might as well pray anyway. Yeah, except this is a governor of a state.

SHEPHERD: How do you know that he's not praying for the global warming?

BEHAR: Well, then let's hear that.

GOLDBERG: Here's the thing. There is a drought and we know that there's global warming and people want ways to do stuff, because the fact of the matter is that people in Georgia right now are in danger of losing all water by the end of the month. So even if they fix global warming tomorrow, they still got to get the water. So he's figuring, okay, we know that we're fixing this and, you know, Washington, you know how hard it is to talk about environmental things. People are like "oh! It’s the environment!" So he says you know what? I'm going to talk about the environment and I'm going to pray and in between the two of them something is going to happen and people will be able to flush their toilets and be comfortable again in Georgia.

BEHAR: Look, I agree with all of that and it’s fine for him to pray. I'm just telling you why people are objecting to it.

GOLDBERG: But so vehemently?

BEHAR: Well, that’s out of control.

GOLDBERG: That shocked me.

SHEPHERD: You know, I think that sometimes when you say I’m praying or when you talk about God, people get really upset.

FOX: Sensitive.

SHEPHERD: They get very sensitive about it. And I just go, what do you got to lose?

FOX: And absolutely invite Native American elders next time because if anyone can successfully bring rain.

GOLDBERG: There are a lot of Native Americans in the middle. If you really were looking for something. Because, you know, in 1986 this happened and the preacher prayed for rain and he takes great credit in the fact that a big storm happened.

SHEPHERD: And what do you do when- gosh we have seen so many miracles- if it starts raining?

BEHAR: Well, then I would consider that a coincidence. But that's me because I'm the way I am. But I think the Native Americans have been praying for casinos, I think, because that's coming true.

[Laughter and Applause]

GOLDBERG: You know what the Native Americans have been praying for? Getting away to see white people come flocking back to the land that they tried to toss off. Now that's what they're seeing because folks are flocking there. And people said "well, you can't do that, you have a sovereign state." They say, "yes, you told us it was sovereign. So you have no problem." So that's what they was praying for and lo and behold, it came.

BEHAR: I would love to see statistics on how many rain dances were done over the period of history and how much rain has actually come. I’m curious I want some studies, perhaps. I'm a pragmatic person. Let me see the studies, then I'll pray, too.

SHEPHERD: I just want to let you know that they said, they said, the producer told me the forecast it’s calling for rain in Georgia.

BEHAR: Well, you showed me!

SHEPHERD: Thank you, lord!

[Applause]

GOLDBERG: Now, it depends how vehemently people were praying because if they prayed too hard, you know, it could be a problem because this is a drought. I’m just saying.

BEHAR: I don't object to prayer. I was raised Catholic. I got my communion, my confirmation, the baptism, the whole thing. It’s just that people pray to cure themselves of cancer and it doesn't happen. It's not an open-and-shut situation. I don't like to be distracted by prayer when there should be medicine, when there should be science. That's all I'm saying. It's like prayer to me is the cherry on the cake. It's not the cake. The cake is medical science.

SHEPHERD: Prayer for me is the person who tells me how to make the cake. Because if he tells me how to make the cake, then everything else falls into place.

[Applause]

BEHAR: Well, I know that this is an unpopular position that I take.

GOLDBERG: It's not unpopular to me because my question is why can't we have it all?

FOX: You can.

GOLDBERG: That's what I think. Why can’t we- I believe, if you believe in a smart God, which I do, that all of this information we have is directly there for us to grow from.

BEHAR: If He's so smart, how do you explain, how do you explain George Bush?


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You have to ask what

You have to ask what happened in these people's lives to make them hate God so much. It must be a sad life not to have faith.

While we're asking questions

BEHAR: If He's so smart, how do you explain, how do you explain George Bush? ... By the same token, how do we explain Joy Behar?

Insults are easy. Cheap shots are cheap. They reveal the absence of cleverness.

If she only had a brain.........

As my mother used to say, if she had a brain, she'd be dangerous.

 

Come on!  Is NB becoming a

Come on!  Is NB becoming a gossip blog.  Who really cares what any of them said.   This about as trivial as can be.  This reminds me of my 8 year old grand daughter Danielle running to her mother complaining about one of her brothers saying:  "Mommy.  Alex said........"

The point is...

Is it trivial?  Christians and acts of faith (e.g. prayer) have been under constant assault by all types of liberal media for some time now.  If this continues, it won't be long before USA enemies' "great satan" labeling will be quite descriptive!

I'm glad ...

NB watches...'cause we won't.

The purpose of the site

Newsbusters is about "exposing and combating liberal media bias." Joy Behar may not be part of the established press, but when she sits in that studio, she reaches about a million people every week. That doesn't make her important, but it does add to the overall media drip-drip-drip of liberal attitudes pushed on people.

The show presumes to reveal what women are thinking. That implicitly claims that viewers ought to respect what these women are thinking. So when they spout nonsense, or reveal their anti-religious prejudices, it's worth mentioning. We don't have to spend too much time on them, but it's worth mentioning them long enough to point out their silliness. You counter the drip-drip of liberal propaganda by exposing it.

It is important...

...That these vile harridans be shown up as the most enormous, witless sacks of despondency, amorality, America-hating, dung as has ever been spread across the air.

Beauty may only be skin deep, but ugly is 'to the bone'. And these women (minus Hasselbeck, of course) are bone-ugly.

Praying for rain.

Old, Retired and glad of it.

Praying for rain may not help but it sure as he** won't hurt. At least the Governor made a lot of people stand up and prove what idiots they are by protesting the simple act of a prayer. Does this country have a small chance of surviving the idiot liberals?

"protesting the simple act of a prayer"

Maybe he should had invited a few American Indians to do a Rain Dance/Ceremony. Wonder how many of the clueless would had broke their brains trying to figure that one out. Wonder how many would had protested if he had invited the local Muslims to pray with them.

 These folks have got to be full time protesters (I wonder who pay's them), or compleat morons. Probably both!!

"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain

gc, that's nothing. I know

gc, that's nothing. I know this is OT, but if you want to see some real, vicious, idiot protesters, get a look at this lead post on Michelle Malkin's blog.

Mohammedans and Jews were

Mohammedans and Jews were invited to this event. The atheistic, Democrat devil-worshipers still protested it.

So Joy I guess when you

So Joy I guess when you become a politician you are suppose to become Agnostic? Or Atheist?  So you can’t practice a religion once you take an oath of office which ironically is done on a Bible?

This girl needs to think about what she is going to say before opening up her mouth. 

How stupid can you be Joy?

 

The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.

 

What a sad, sad woman she

What a sad, sad woman she is ...

I'll give "The View" one thing ... It's I.Q. went up 2 points when Whoopi joined the coffee table to fill Rosie's seat ... But it fell 10 points when Joy decided to step into Rosie's void shoes ... So, they're down by 8 to add to their already (-) I.Q..

drill, I said before that if

drill, I said before that if Joy Behar quit, the average IQ at the table would rise 30 points.

I would say this is pointless except for this comment

"JOY BEHAR: Now, wait a minute, before you go off that you say it's not separation, he is the governor. He is supposed to practice separation of church and state."

This is all pointless nonsense, except that he people in charge of our media repeat this mantra over-and-over-and-over again until allot of people believe it.

The only line in the Constitution is "Congress shall make no law..." 

A Governor is NOT a member of congress and is NOT bound by the imaginary "Seperation of Church and State"

Little known fact is that the original states had state religions.

If I recall correctly, South

If I recall correctly, South Carolina, Georgia, Virginia and Maryland all had the Anglican Church as the established religion when first independent. I believe a lot of the Yankee states had the Congregational Church as established.

1st Amendment

ExLib- You are correct that the 1st Amendment says "Congress shall make no law..." and that some states did originally have established churches. However the 14th Amendment, ratified in 1867, applies the Bill of Rights to the states as well, so states are now prohibited from establishing churches. Nevertheless, the First Amendment protects Governor Perdue's right to hold prayer rallies. The First Amendment allows freedom to practice religion in this country, and last I checked, Sonny Perdue is an American citizen.

It's still scary Justin

Thanks Justin for that point!!

I still think it's scary that leftists who have a big say in how things are taught in our school are trying to teach our kids that the US was and always has been a Godless, Secular Nation and that anyone who would hold ANY position at ANY place that gets Governement money must check their Relgious Convictions and principles at the Door.

I agree...

I agree with you that intent of the 1st Amendment was not to remove all religion from the public square. Elected officials have every right to express their religious convictions, the First Amendment allows them to. If the people don't like it, they can vote them out.

 So much for

 So much for 'tolerance'.  

Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar. 

How do you splain

Dear Joy,  How do you explain Al Gore, the D- science student/nobel prize winner? Is that a cosmic joke or what?

On the few times I watched "The View" I liked Rosie because she would without fail say something incredibly stupid and follow it up with something even more absurd. Nice to see that Behar has taken on that task. I often disagree with Whoopee but I think that she at least takes a second or two to think before she unleashes her gums. Since Joy doesn't seem to have the handicap of an intellect, she can fire long before her mind says "Maybe you should aim"! 

We've got real world issues ladies, where kids are killing kids, children are getting third rate educations, the national infrastructure needs rebuilding and we have misplaced our moral compass, why are you influential women (and God help us, the women on "the View" are influential) wasting time on whether the governor should pray in public? 

 

  

Behar says people pray to

Behar says people pray to get healed of cancer and it doesn't happen. There's been scientific studies done verified by medical doctors that patients who were prayed for experienced more healing and recovery results than those patients not prayed for during the same period of time.

Of course she said so many other things that were total bunk, such as the imaginiary non-existent separation of church and state, as mentioned above by someone else.

And praying to humans like Algore is more realistic? Gosh what do we even need telephones or email for if people can simply hear us if we pray to them wherever we and they are at the time? And why does Joyless even need her television show for that matter? She should just speak to us from her house and we'll all be able to know in our minds what she said. That would be more realistic than the television medium I suppose!

And if God's so smart how do we explain George Bush? Well duh no matter who is elected, such as the abominable sleazebag Bill Clinton, it's the free will of the people choosing to elect them. And God was indeed brilliant (as He always is) to bless us with Bush instead of Gore or Kerry. Had they have been elected instead, their weak and incompetent response to 9-11 would have made it much more likely that we would have been hit again by now. (Note: I know Behar was simply making a stupid statement here in order to get in yet another nasty dig at George Bush. I just wanted to answer the inane "question" anyway).

 

Hmmm, tough question, who is more repulsive: Rosie O'Donnell or Joy Behar? Add Eleanor Clift and we've got a three way tie!

 

A liberal persuaded against his will is of the same opinion still.

Foursome

 

Add Helen Thomas and you've got the quartet from Hell!

So, Joy doesn't believe in

So, Joy doesn't believe in prayer....but she goes on to say that if there were a bunch of 'studies' that showed it worked, then she would pray.

"And absolutely invite Native American elders next time because if anyone can successfully bring rain."

They couldn't stop the onslaught of the evil white man, but they can make it rain?

Change the name of the show

Change the name of the show to "High School Dropouts Having Coffee"

Elisabeth Hasselbeck

Elisabeth Hasselbeck dropped out of high school?

Elisabeth Hasselbeck dropped out of high school?

No she is a college graduate, but her presense brings the average up to high school level.

v

As far as I can tell,

As far as I can tell, Whoopi's the only one who dropped out of high school.

Bahar has a masters and was a teacher

Bahar has a masters and was a teacher...only goes to prove having an eduation doesn't make you smart.

v

commom sense isn't very common anymore

If that was true

It would probably be a good thing.Maybe they would have more common sense.Just for the record I am a firm believer in getting a education.Still too many with Degrees may be intelligent but they are clueless to the real world.

Stuck on stupid

So now we have a loony leftie comparing Al Gore to God. Behar has taken the whole Nobel Peace Prize way too seriously. All kneel before the great Gorical - the prophet of the Apocalypse.

Power to the people!

Mr Low Flush Gore

I thing in honor of his many accomplishments we should change the name of toilets to Al Gore.That way we can honor him everyday.Thanks Joy.

}}---> Been done already well99

No Flush Urinals 

Even the presence on his advisory board of former Vice President Al Gore and former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan failed to overcome resistance on the Los Angeles City Council

Just couldn't make up stuff funnier than reality.

 Plant crops - not questions

lol

"Every time someone flushes the urinal in his office men's room, multimillionaire Marc Nathanson gets peeved."
I think I would of used another word besides peeved.

}}---> No Flush Gore

They actually installed one of them at my place of employment.  Couldn't stand the stench (and the filters were changed regularly)

Removed it within two months. 

 Plant crops - not questions

You should send it to Al

Tell him to reimburse you.Its another one of his and his crowds ideas that stinks.

Slippery fish

BEHAR: I would love to see statistics on how many rain dances were done over the period of history and how much rain has actually come. I’m curious I want some studies, perhaps. I'm a pragmatic person. Let me see the studies, then I'll pray, too.

NOW she gets all scientific & asks for statistics and studies? For AGW, it's all faith for Behar, but with this she's willing to be "pragmatic"? Go figure.

The way these gals converse makes me want to pull my hair out. The one topic they daren't touch was the intolerance of the left towards traditional Christianity and why this is so.

If this Gov wanted to call a prayer, fine. It may not do any good but it does make some people feel better.

 

 

Joy is a miserable kook --

Joy is a miserable kook -- plain and simple. To think, why in the world would anyone want to give up faith and then become as cold, pathetic, and miserable as her?

Thanks Joy for showing us why faith is essential.

 

Dead Horse

When Hassebeck comes back, she really needs to keep a copy of the Constitution handy since The Blithering Idiot likes to bring it up all the time. When she says something like "Now, wait a minute, before you go off that you say it's not
separation, he is the governor. He is supposed to practice separation
of church and state." Elizabeth could flop it down and ask her to show us all exactly where that is written. Just once I'd like to see that.

Now, this might sting just a little bit.....

being a Georgia peach....

I say more power to Sonny. I don't see how it can hurt to pray.

I am not a religious person,(I'm not Agnostic either) but I could be all wrong so go on and pray. Our local church groups got together and went to the courthouse steps and prayed for rain some time ago also. Didn't help, but I don't think that it hurt either. Prayer gives comfort to many, so I see it as a good thing for them.

We are hoping to see some rain tonight, it is in the forecast, but you know how they can be wrong ....

It's raining like ...

a sumbiscuit here in SE Tenn -- headed Georgia's way if it isn't already there.

Rain in Georgia

II Chronicles 7:14:  If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 

Forget 911, I dial 10MM.

I actually have the exact

I actually have the exact opposite opinion.  I believe "science" can be a "distraction" to some of life's bigger questions.  Sure, we can break the molecule down to atoms and then into its smaller parts.  We can even "split" an atom.  But questions like "why are we here" and "where did we come from" remain unanswered.  Scientists look to the material world for clues but I think it is much deeper (i.e. spiritual).  Heck, even EINSTEIN had faith!!!!  

Behar is an idiot.  

Joy Behar

When the day comes that she is near death, let's just see who she prays to.

I love the picture with this article.

Was Joy on "Jeopardy" or something?

american times two

I'm not Agnostic either

What's wrong with agnostics? ; -)

my bad..

I cannot believe I made such a mistake, what I meant was Im not an Atheist.  I do believe there is one God.  I apologize for that mistake.

Speaking of medical science,

Speaking of medical science, I wonder if Joy deliberately forgets to take her meds each morning, or is it that they have just stopped working altogether?

}}---> Behar's mocking words

"Well, they need to be praying to people who will fix global warming and take care of the environment because that's more realistic."

 Here's proof the Lefties really do see the AGW movement as a religion.  Now who do y'all think she's gonna pray to?

 Plant crops - not questions

Let it rain

Check out today's (11/15)  AJC for an example of how the MsM like to downplay any possibility that God may have a hand in controlling the weather. Although it has indeed rained since Gov. Perdue's prayer service, it's just not enough.

As Glenn Beck says, this

As Glenn Beck says, this stuff just makes blood shoot out of my eyeballs.

Behar has a right to believe or not believe as she sees fit. She just comes across to me as incredibly stupid, and it has nothing to do with her beliefs or unbelief.

And I see the rain like this: I can say it's a coincedence or I can thank God. I'll thank God.

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