'This Week' Panel: Next Critical Global Threat -- Chinese-Style Authoritarian Capitalism

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Throughout the history of this country playing the role of a global power, the United States has faced down threats of fascism and communism. The country is now in the throes of a war against terrorism.

However, on ABC's Nov. 22 "This Week with George Stephanopoulos," a panel consisting of Washington Post columnist George Will, Liz Cheney of Keep America Safe, University of California, Berkeley professor Robert Reich and Walter Isaacson is the President and CEO of The Aspen Institute, warned the next ideological battle facing the country is that which China practices - an authoritarian market society or authoritarian capitalism.

"For 37 years, every administration has bet, since Nixon went to China, on a theory, and the theory was that capitalism, market economy, which requires a judicial system to enforce promises, which are called contracts, needs a vast dissemination of information and decision-making that capitalism by its mores and working would subvert the regime, that you could not have an authoritarian market society," Will said. "It's the Starbucks fallacy. It turns out to be a fallacy, that if the Chinese have a choice of coffees, they'll want a -- they'll demand a choice of political candidates. We may be wrong. It could be you can have an authoritarian system."

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Isaacson was skeptical if this Chinese system would last in the era of easy-to-access information. He argues once people have choices, they will demand more information, which China lacks.

"Yes, but we may be right," Isaacson said. "That is, actually, you know, there's some great truth to that. And in the long run, you're not going to be able to sustain an economy where you allow people all sorts of choice when they're trying to do their business, but don't allow them the free flow of information. It won't work in the information age."

Coming off of President Barack Obama's recent trip to Asia, Cheney insisted that Obama would have to project a stronger, more vocal presence if he wanted to reinforce the idea of "freedom and democracy."

"As an American president ... you can demand, when you go into China and you're going to have a press conference, you can say, ‘We're taking questions,'" Cheney said. "I mean, there are very clear things, steps you can take to send the message that we actually believe in freedom and democracy."

And Reich, who tends to be an apologist for Obama's policy decisions and falls on the left-of-center end of the political spectrum, agreed with Cheney. He alluded to Obama's failed effort in Copenhagen in October.

"I agree with Liz. I think that -- that in preparation for this trip, as in many others, even the trip to Europe to try to sell Chicago as the Olympics, there needs to be more thought about the appearance of weakness or strength that may come out of the trip," Reich said.

But Reich emphasized the threat of an authoritarian market society and admired the efficiency of the Chinese model.

"But I want to go back to, George [Will], your point, because I think the big issue over the next 10 years and the big contest is going to be between authoritarian capitalism, a la China, and democratic capitalism, a la the United States. And it's not clear to me that authoritarian capitalism is not going to win. That is, it -- there is so much efficiency. The Chinese say, ‘We're going to build 10 new universities. We're going to build this. We're going to build this.' And, boom, it happens."

"I am betting on Democratic capitalism," Reich added. "But I think that the -- authoritarian capitalism, we cannot understate the threat to the way we go about our -- our business, the way we think about the world."


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"It turns out to be a

"It turns out to be a fallacy"

You keep thinking that, George. These things are not measured in 5-minute ad breaks, they are measured in centuries.

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We're going to build this.

We're going to build this. We're going to build this.' And, boom, it happens.

It used to in America before welfare statism, union corruption & democrat vote sequestration.

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I will readily admit that I

I will readily admit that I don't know a whole heckuva lot about "authoritarian capitalism." But I do have some questions and someone smarter than I can determine if they're relevant.

  • What is the poverty rate in China?
  • What is the average wage rate relative to the US average wage rate in China?
  • What is the name of the largest labor union in China?
  • How much influence do labor unions have over the "authoritarian" leadership in China?
  • What rights as Americans do we currently enjoy that would necessarily be absolved under an "authoritarian" style of capitalism?

Hitler in his rise to power

Hitler in his rise to power from 1934 to 1939 was probably as good as any of a form of authoritative capitalism..

 

His economy or production was dictated by him to the business sector. 

BK, Lawyers?

How about that Chinese EPA..

All them big  environmental law firms.

Smoking outside is ok....

State controlled health care ! surf music 

China stuff

I import from China. China's unions are pro company and support less government intrusion rather than more as in USA.  Wal-mart is unionized in China at request of Wal-mart. Poverty is a relative term when you consider the size of the population it's remarkably low.  They restrict some internet access ---- their stock market is paperless -- Best selling car is a Buick -- because they don't like Japanese and old Premier used to drive Buick's.

They have a  severe pollution problem and there is pressure to fix it.

China is like USA in the 30-40's free wheeling capitalism at it's best.  Building infrastructure everywhere.

This is just another tact

This is just another tact in the argument that our great experiment, capitalism, has failed and the government needs to step in and control every aspect of our markets. So we can be a successfull country, you know, like all of Europe, and China and well, the ultimate model of success I guess would be North Korea. 

The Pundidts as Always are Clueless

The Pundits as Always are Clueless. They want so bad to be relevant but are showing that they know nothing. Yes China is a big player on the Economic Stage but at the costs to thier own citizens. If you live in China and do not live in one of the approved Enterprise Zones you are living in abject poverty. Even if you do live in one of the Enterprise Zones the wages are very low and there are no benifits to speak of. The Peoples Liberation Army owns a large percentage of most Chinese business which is why the Military has gained much more influence in recent years.

The Chinese People want an ufettered economy and unfettered Capitalism. I have worked in China so I know a lot of this from first hand esperience and do not have to reley on the opinions of the deliberatly uninformed.

Authoritarian capitalism

Reich seemed to tacitly approve of China's "authoritarian capitalism" until the very end, when he said he agreed with Liz Cheney.  Lest we forget, it was the ending of Great Britain's lease on Hong Kong that began this sea-change for China.  I am always suspicious of pundits from the Aspen Institute- I have more faith in the members of the Bohemian Grove to make suggestions that are good for the country!

Absolutely Correct

I was going to point that out in my post as well but did not want to drone on. You nailed it in one.

The talking heads and

The talking heads and Obama's base hate democratic capitalism.  Most Americans like it a lot.  Let's see how this shakes out.

You can bad mouth Glenn Beck all you want but I'd trust him to have my back anytime over Will. 

The Chinese Communist Party chose

power over ideology. Capitalism and its relative material wealth keeps the regime in power. The acquistion and the pursuit of material goods keep the Chinese from overthrowing their government. The Chinese actually learned what happened to the pretzel logic countries embracing phony baloney communism (including their own). They self-destruct. They allow capitalism within an authoriatarian framework. As long as the capitalists just get rich and the party profits (The government and party own many corporate entities which also profit) everyone is happy it is a win win for them.

 

"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'

Let's See . . .

Authoritarian capitalism.  I believe that is called fascism.

Fascism is on the list of

Fascism is on the list of stricken words, along with terrorism, global warming "illegal" immigrant and a host of others.... please use the correct PC term "Authoritarian Capitalism" in all your future posts.

key word here is capitalism

Seems like Obama and Dems think capitalism is a dirty word.  You have got to have big Corps and Big profits -- freeedom to create income to create jobs.  Read: Drucker

The problem has always been...

...with government control of anything.The Constitution does not permit the Federal government to exercise control over any industry, nor does it permit it to exercise control over the economy. Liberals (and many conservatives) would tell you that government regulation of business is a good idea, because it keeps businesses (and the economy) on the up-and-up. Well, we've seen how well that works, because business regulations are all written to protect business, not the consumer. In a laissez-faire economy, it is true that the greedy and corrupt would attempt to make short-term gains...and the fact that many businesses have a global reach would make it tough for the little guys to gain any headway. But if smart consumers voted with their pocketbooks, supporting local and regional businesses that employed Americans and brought manufacturing back into this country, the trend could be turned. It would take years and a lot of patience, but it could be done.

However, I fear I may have invalidated my argument by the use of the term "smart consumers."

‘When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.’ - Edmund Burke, 1770

They’ve given short shrift…

to the downside of Authoritarian Capitalism.

That is, the authorities pretty much do whatever the hell they want.

New university, new hospital, new airport?

‘Pack your stuff and get out; the heavy equipment moves in Monday. The rest of you just pony-up and keep quiet.’ The whole private property thing is an empty promise unless you happen to be a member of the ruling elite.

Somehow I don’t think that’s ever going to sell here, but the libs will continue to make the pitch.

I've long thought that the

I've long thought that the "capitalism will transform China" argument had a major flaw.  If you look at how, say, Spain transformed from an authoritarian system to a democratic one, yes, capitalist economics played a major role, but only because once they dropped the fascist economics (in the 1960's, if I recall) in favor of market economics, the only way to maintain economic growth was through greater trade and economic engagement with the rest of the world, but particularly the rest of Europe, which meant joining the Common Market.  But to join the club, they were forced by the club to adopt political reforms as a precondition.  

 No one is requiring China to engage in political reform as a precondition for membership in the world economy.  If anything, the eagerness to have 1 billion plus potential customers is causing the members of the world economy to adapt themselves to China, not the other way around (e.g., Google's self-censorship). 

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