MSNBC’s Olbermann and Maddow: Nothing Wrong with Off-the-Record Obama Visit, Since Bush Did It

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Throughout the previous administration, MSNBC host Keith Olbermann would nightly attack President George W. Bush and members of his administration and regularly bash some conservative personalities for being too cozy with Bush.

However, when he and his MSNBC colleague Rachel Maddow engage in the same brand of coziness, meeting with President Barack Obama earlier this week, it's no longer an indiscretion. Instead, it becomes justified - since Bush did it. Olbermann appeared on the Oct. 23 "The Rachel Maddow Show" and he and Maddow responded to critics. Maddow asked him to respond to particular comments from former White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, now a Fox News contributor, that there would be an outcry had the Bush administration committed something similar.

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"Do you -- people are talking about post-traumatic stress disorder in politics -- do you ever feel like they're walking examples of this, like they have forgotten what they did half the time while in the White House?" Olbermann said. "This is exactly what they did. They had -- not only did they have these meetings, but as you pointed out correctly, they were much more doctrinaire and much more politically - there were eligible and ineligibles, and nobody ever cross from one to the other. They tried to manipulate the news. They paid Armstrong Williams as you noted. It's just - it is, it is pot and kettle. And it's -- it is stunning. And also, basically, conservatives got in there first this time with this president before he actually took office."

Olbermann took the position that there was nothing wrong with it and the meeting was being publicized to "scare" people.

"It's just -- it's just -- it's just confounding and stupid and silly, and it just looks like another thing that they want to wring their hands about as loudly as publicly as possible to scare people for no purpose whatsoever.

Maddow complained that the backlash was drawing her and Olbermann into the feud between the White House and Fox News - which some say makes the White House appear hypocritical when attacking Fox News as "opinion journalism," but embracing MSNBC.

"I think what's -- I mean, the reason that I'm leading with this is not only did the president address it himself, which I think makes it quite newsworthy, but I do also think that sort of mainstream take on this fight between the White House and Fox, the mainstream common wisdom sort of calcifying around the Fox argument that this is unprecedented and that it's somehow unfair and that Fox has being given the short end of the stick in a way that previous administrations have never done anything like this," Maddow said.

Olbermann argued a highly debatable point - that Fox News was much more on board with the Bush administration than MSNBC currently is with President Barack Obama.

"Other than the previous administration and in much greater degree. If we're going to -- if we're going to talk about this, as you point out, that -- those last eight years were attempts to manipulate where they could not completely control. I mean, they controlled Fox News on it. Clearly, I mean, there's no argument about that. And then they went and proceeded to go after us particularly. This -- most of this occurred before your show went on the air. But, I mean, there were -- the abuse and the pressure behind the scenes stuff never let up. What the Obama people have done while, you know, really kind of cutting through the fog and not trying to be subtle at all is really kind of just raise an objection saying, ‘We don't think this is news.' They didn't say, ‘Hey, Major Garrett, you're not admitted here anymore.'"

But the White House has threatened to cut some access with Fox News. Aside from the White House putting out three high-ranking administration officials to publicly criticize Fox News, there have been direct attacks from President Barack Obama himself about Fox News, along with the White House's recent attempt to exclude Fox from the White House press pool. Olbermann failed to notice that in his anti-Fox tirade.

"'Hey, by the way, we're not going to let you do live shots from the White House. You're not going to be on the plane,' or any of these things. There's no attempt to silence them. There's an attempt to say, ‘You know what, this is dangerous because this is often a way by which nonsense stories get trumped up through the purely political conversation kind of paranoid shows, like Glenn Beck and Hannity and O'Reilly. They put out crazy stories or take obscure trivial ones, blow them up to gigantic proportions and then report the reaction to these stories in what are supposedly straight newscasts."

Olbermann blamed Fox News for pushing the story about corruption within ACORN - a legitimate news story that had some political repercussions for the administration.

"And that's the -- that's stage one of it. And stage two of it is, of course, they then take -- if you report on ACORN for 457 consecutive shows, every news organization in America is going to go, "Well, we didn't think this was any sort of story, maybe we're wrong. Let's look into. Let's do a story about why we didn't do a story." And suddenly, there's an ACORN story on the front page of several leading newspapers. And I think it's a -- it's a way to sort of bring in crap through the side door which is a secondary thing besides the obvious stuff that you see everyday on Fox."

Maddow argued they're not freezing out Fox altogether.

"Interesting to me that they're not saying they're going to freeze out Fox altogether. They said that they will still make people available to the Fox stations. They're not even ruling out making the president available to Fox at some point. But they're just going to treat them as if they're talk radio. And I think it's going to be interesting to see how that works out. Remember that -- given that President Bush was happy to invite right-wing talk radio into the White House quite that way."

However, you can't argue with the numbers. According to data compiled by the Fox News Channel and broadcasted on the Oct. 22 "Special Report with Bret Baier," Fox has often been overlooked when it comes to interviews with President Obama. NBC has conducted 12 interviews, CBS with 11 interviews, ABC conducting nine interviews and CNN with seven interviews. And Fox News? A total of two interviews.


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They always stick together -

They always stick together - where it's safe. You'd never see Maddow or Olbermann go to Fox News and debate for real. Meanwhile, Ann Coulter is going up against all the big Libs. This is why the ratings of the Lefty broadcasters suck. People have watched them debate themselves for years with the result always the same. They're right, everyone else is wrong. People are sick of this. So they go to FoxNews where they get real news, fair and balanced.

Nice to see that

the MESSNBC talking heads have been reduced to interviewing each other.

Chai

“It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world.” —1906 Nobel Peace Laureate Theodore Roosevelt

How long has it been since either one has seen sunshine ?

Because we know where their heads are.

Cha-cha-chaaaange

Once again, Obama is compared to Bush. I thought Obama was change! Didn't people vote for Obama because he was NOT Bush, he was CHANGE?

But Lefties just keep pointing out how much alike Obama and Bush are.

GONZO

It's so cute when they interview each other.  They are, after all, an integral part of every story they cover.  My, how important they are.

Two Interviews? When?

"And Fox News? A total of two interviews."

Were either of these two interviews with "Present-dent" Obama? I remember the interview on O'Reilly with "Can-duh-date" Obama, but I can't seem to recall an interview on FOX since January. I could be wrong.....

Typical.

Racketeering on the public's dime (a la ACORN) isn't newsworthy; neither are any of LOTUS' tsars, any of his personal records, congress stealing trillions to pay off other criminals, nor any crimes committed by sitting members of congress that commonly have a 'D' after their names (but not in print, of course). Nothing to see here - move along, move along...

Just another day at MSDNC.

OBAMA = One Big Ass Mistake, America!

A new generation of little Joseph Goebbels...

Sigh!

Was anyone able to watch the

Was anyone able to watch the embed?

about 30 seconds before the

about 30 seconds before the dry heaves started and I was forced to turn it off.

I couldn't bring myself to

I couldn't bring myself to left click.

Nope

My mouse ran under the desk and refused to come out unless I promised not to click! : o

Gary

 

POLITICS: poly (many) + ticks (blood sucking parasites)

 

SgtKeyser

I stick to transcripts when it comes to videos and audios of Hussein and his lap dogs on MSNBC.  Even then it's a tad questionable. 

 

JMHO, you understand.

If Saul Alinsky owned a news channel it would be MSNBC.  ----  Me

So if Bush does it....

If Bush does it, it's OK? One word--Iraq. What do these two brainiacs say to that? I have more respect for the media people who said if Fox isn't invited, we aren't going. Somehow someone grew a couple yesterday.

Where is the third stooge?

I heard Chris Matthews was off camera crying because he wasn't included in this little get-together. Waaa!  Waaaa!

Would you?

Would you invite someone you know will dry hump your leg?

Obama Won't Appear on Fox?

I say we should celebrate.  As it is now, when he comes on TV I change the channel.  I can't stand to hear his voice anymore and I can't sit there and watch him lie and manipulate.

I would argue that there are many other Fox viewers who probably feel the same.

But I'm glad that the WH sent out Robert and Roberta Gibbs lite (Olbermann and Maddow) to let all eight of their viewers know the scoop.  


B.O. Has E.T. Hands

I do feel the same way! Whenever I'm watching Fox and there's footage of him running his mouth, I have to turn my eyes away. I feel like I should listen to stay informed, but I can not bear to see him and hear him at the same time! I think he's repulsive to look at with his huge ears and creepy E.T. hands. Slender wrists and long skinny fingers with hardly any noticeable palm in between. And if what he says weren't bad enough, we have to listen to his homeboy accent whenever he's trying to impress a particular audience. And the whistling sound he makes when pronouncing an "s," particularly at the end of a word, is like fingernails on a blackboard. I want him to go away!  

bo has et hands

miss911--

precisely, exactly, almost word for word what i would have said.

the current posprez really is causing me to think i am imbued, not with latent racism, but with garafolos' racismstraightup, and that i am indeed now a teaparty-not teabaggin'- racist.   i really, really, dislike him for the reasons that are continually being listed---spending, debt, socialism/communism/fascism/chicago thuggism, inexperience, appearance of arrogance, and on and on ad nauseum.

but, on the random occasion that i glimpse his face on tv and notice that his lips are purple,  i reallyreallyreally dislike him for that .

maybe its' just that i hate purple lips and not necessarily the person  wearing them.

upon further consideration/delving into the subject in question---

nah, its him.

bozo.

md

Fox - in the tank for Bush?

.. and from the beginning, I might note. Remember Fox's Carl Cameron finding himself with a last minute damaging news report on candidate George Bush just before the Nov., 2000 election? An old D.U.I. arrest of Bush when he was a youngster. Fox, unlike the national media (thinking of Clinton, Edwards, and Obama, specifically) which would show us time and time again that they would not run stories that were damaging to their candidate, or elected politician, had a news story in it's hand, and exercised it's journalistic responsibility and ran the story.

It almost cost George Bush the election.

(;~/ gary

Hey wonder twins, it's not

Hey wonder twins, it's not about you and others meeting with Obama, it's about the hypocrisy of it. He has an ongoing crusade against a network he claims isn't an objective, legitimate news network, and then meets with a few clowns from MSNBC(and others), a channel no one would ever confuse with being a legitimate, news network.

Good article--if you can get it

Go to WSJ.COM and put in "The Chicago Way." Will the WSJ let you get this without pitching over your first born--not sure. But it's about this wimpy little war with Fox and others. Seriously, these people are so limp and slap-fighty it is more funny than scary. I guess when they close down NB, I will change my tune.

Easy access

StarAZ, you can get right to that Kim Strassel piece by going to this link. There are WSJ items that are subscriber-only but this isn't one of them.

"Priceless"

This reminds me of two "bank robbers" interviewing each other after the crime.

"Did you see anything"? No, did you?

No, well I might have seen something.

Really, what?

Well it kinda looked like George Bush, but I can't be sure.

I see, well if it looked like George Bush, then you are innocent!

Another case solved!!!

dead red and hittable

FOX News is on the verge of getting the perfect 86 MPH fastball right down the middle.  What FOX does next is the important part; these two dolts are just helpting to set it up.  What is about to happen is the White House is about to call the war on FOX off.  Obama and his band of hysterical idiot advisters will say that they were misunderstood and that they never meant for the battle between them and FOX to go so far.  It is at this point that FOX will really have the chance to hit the fat one.  What FOX must do is tell the White House that FOX News will never allow Obama on the network live until he apologizes for the smears on FOX.  FOX will win this war but they must keep their eye on the ball and make a good swing.

I can give several reasons

This will never happen, first being Obama is too much a primadona to call it off. Now they may quit but that not the same. Also Fox is and has been dying to have Obama on their network, and will leap at the opportunity. And I personally hope Greta gets to ask this clown a few questions

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

dead red and hittable

catherwood---

gc, in the following post, is undoubtedly correct as this is the way of the world.

your post, on the other hand, is exactly the way it should be.

good one.

md

Wait, I thought there was

Wait, I thought there was something off the record visits with the president, because Olbermann said so during Bush's reign.

What I don't understand is

What I don't understand is how do these two have a job with the ratings they pull in?  They are dead last in the time slots.

MSNBC is a joke of a station -- a true waste of money and time.

Let me get this straight..

Anything Bush did was wrong, but when Obama does it too, it's OK because Bush did it.  Yeah, I think I'm clear on this now...

Ass Kissing Fest

I bet ole Chris cried himself to sleep cause he wasn't invited to the ASS Kissing Fest with Olby and Madcow.

Can you imagine the pushing and shoving Olby and Madcow were doing to see who could kiss Dear Leader's ass the most?

Fair and balanced

I tried to find a source but no can do. I recall BOR on a segment a few months ago talking about a poll on Fox coverage of Bush in 07 and 08. It showed # of positive and negative pieces on Bush and it was almost the same #. Show that study all around a few times and that will shut these idiots up. Of course, these people were never much for facts. The issue is not Fox, but rather what news the Fringe media are not covering.

You dont get it Cajun


a poll on Fox coverage of Bush in 07 and 08. It showed # of positive and negative pieces on Bush and it was almost the same #.

It has to be 100% negitive for Buch and Conservatives and 100% Positive for Obama, and Dems. If it isnt, thier radical Rightwingnuts. 

Folks who dont listen to Conserative Radio/Fox, might be shocked at how much these guys go after Repubs as well.

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Oh Brother

"I love you, Keith."  "I love you, Rachel."  "And I love you, Keith."  "And I love you, Rachel."  "But I love you more."  "No, I love you more."  "No I love you more."  "No I love you more, you're schmoopy."  "No, you're schmoopy."  "No you are."  And on and on and on.

And Bush ordered the troops

And Bush ordered the troops into Iraq so I guess there's nothing wrong with that, either.  Glad they're finally coming around.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

Maddow's high-intellect

Maddow's high-intellect comment of the week: "Interesting to me that they're not saying they're going to freeze out Fox altogether."

Interesting?  I think The Boy Who Would Be Queen is mind-numbingly stupid to think that an administration freezing out a news outlet is even remotely within the realm of a reasonable idea.

Interesting to me, on the other hand, that Uhbama chose the two lowest rated shows on the lowest rated network to be his pet journos. I'm sure Katie, Bri-bri, Charlie, and Wolf aren't particularly pleased.

"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me

           Olberm

           Olberman & maddow are traitors. Not one bit of morals left in their insanity. Traitors to journalism, traitors to the country. Just more boot licking from two so-called journalists.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

What???

These buffoons are constanly berating the Bush Administration and everything they do or did........but when it comes to something "they" want to do, its "ok" because the "Bush administration" did it?  gimme a break!!! 

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