The feud between the White House and the Fox News Channel took another, thanks to one of Glenn Beck's viewers.
On Beck's Oct. 15 program, the Fox News host played a video sent to him of White House Communications Director Anita Dunn, who had previously slammed Fox News and called it an organ of the Republican Party. In the video, Dunn reveals her two favorite political philosophers - humanitarian Mother Teresa and Mao Tse Tung, Chinese revolutionary and Communist leader responsible for an estimated 70 million deaths (video embedded below the fold).
"A lot of you have a great deal of ability," Dunn said. "A lot of you work hard. Put them together and that answers the ‘why not' question. There's usually not a good reason and then the third lesson and tip actually comes from two of my favorite political philosophers - Mao Tse Tung and Mother Teresa, not often coupled with each other but the two people that I turn to most to basically deliver a simple point, which is you're going to make choices. You're going to challenge. You're going to say why not. You're going to figure out how to do things that have never been done before, but here's the deal."
Dunn elaborated on her reverence for Mao, suggesting that he overcame odds to defeat Chiang Kai-Shek and the nationalist Chinese.
"These are your choices. They are no one else's. In 1947, when Mao Tse Tung was being challenged within his own party on his plan to basically take China over, Chiang Kai-Shek and the nationalist Chinese held the cities, they had the army. They had the air force. They had everything on their side, and people said how can you win? How can you do this? How can you do this? Against all the odds against you, and Mao Tse Tung said, you know, you fight your war, and I'll fight mine, and think about that for a second."
That video prompted Beck to respond by asking how Mao could be her "favorite anything."
"The reason why this phone hasn't run all week is because the most important political philosopher for her is Mao Tse Tung, oh and Mother Teresa," Beck said. The guy responsible for more death than any other 20th century leader is her favorite philosopher? How can that man be your favorite anything?
Beck reiterated the pointed Mao was responsible for the lives of 70 million people.
"He killed 70 million people! That would be like me saying to you, ‘Oh, you know who my favorite political philosopher is? Adolf Hitler. Have you read Mein Kampf?' It is insanity! This is her hero's work - 70 Million dead! She thinks of this man's work all the time."




















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Beck's segment
October 15, 2009 - 18:12 ET by Joe CamelI watched the segment tonight on Glen's show, which I do daily. Worse than this witch being allowed to exist on the planet, was the incessant licking of her lips. It was like, my God woman, put that tongue back in your mouth. Almost like a giraffe with that fat, long tongue licking everything. It is a bit annoying and frankly repulsive to watch.
YES!!!
October 15, 2009 - 18:13 ET by B-townGiantSee below, Joe.
Mao See Tongue
October 15, 2009 - 18:17 ET by CO2MakerMao See Tongue.
That should clear up your confusion about her "I've swallowed a giraffe and can't get up" mannerism.
We have a
October 15, 2009 - 18:18 ET by motherbeltWe have a winner!!
ROFL!!!
"Mao See Tongue"
October 15, 2009 - 19:20 ET by carolina09You da man--ROFL
Michael Klonsky Is In There
October 16, 2009 - 00:17 ET by Nortotoo, the former chairman of the MaoUSA party and friend of the POTUS and Bill Ayers. This admin is crawling with commies and maybe it is time for a RECALL?!
Reminded me of a reptile
October 16, 2009 - 03:34 ET by Chattychitowhen it is narrowing in our its prey if flicks its tongue faster and more often. Yeah that was a bizarre idiosyncratic movement almost gross.
Here's a fact that's worth the knowing, So treasure and mark it well. When the mind is through with growing, the the head begins to swell. Sir Nosmo King
"almost" gross
October 16, 2009 - 10:00 ET by Kimnota??????????
Anybody notice?
October 15, 2009 - 18:12 ET by B-townGiantIn watching the video of this heinous creature, I was constantly distracted by her odd tic of some sort. She kept sticking her tongue out like a snake, and twisting her mouth as if she were trying to fix her dentures without anyone noticing.
And was she speaking in a church? By the date, I surmised it was a graduation speech. But which institute of learning? I want to make sure my kids don't go there.
Truly an obnoxious and foul offense to put the sainted Mother Teresa on par with Murderous Mao.
Good Grief!!!
October 15, 2009 - 18:18 ET by motherbeltThank heaven that bit of the podium blocked it a little bit...to see that full force would be maddening. Even with the blocking, I couldn't even watch for 30 seconds!
I likened her the other day
October 15, 2009 - 18:27 ET by BKeyserin another comment, somewhere, to a cow chewing her cud. Here's the Land Snark in all her glory.
I noticed the same thing
October 15, 2009 - 18:29 ET by Radical1979I noticed the same thing but couldn't figure out what it was. At first I thought she was chewing gum.
BTW, I don't think of Mother Teresa as a "political philosopher". She was a religious woman doing God's work.
Looked like...
October 15, 2009 - 18:58 ET by jdlybrand...'Coke Jaw'.
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
This tasteless joke should get me in hot water
October 15, 2009 - 19:30 ET by dboMaybe she spent last night at Bill Clinton's house and can't get that awful taste out of her mouth.
Don't blame Hillary...I
October 15, 2009 - 20:08 ET by Lord ElicaniDon't blame Hillary...I mean, it can't be her fault her career got in the way of her learning how to cook, can it?
"We can go from boom to bust
From dreams to a bowl of dust
We can fall from rockets' red glare
Down to 'Brother, can you spare...'"
- Rush, "Between the Wheels"
Hey
October 16, 2009 - 12:36 ET by chiefpayneI'm eating lunch here.
THAT visual was just WRONG!
Mother Teresa & politics
October 15, 2009 - 19:18 ET by KC BeachThe only time I recall Mother Teresa getting anywhere near politics was in her pro life stance. Anyone want to wager wheather the Mao lover would agree with Mother Teresa's politics?
Look closely
October 15, 2009 - 18:40 ET by StogieGuyI could swear that her tongue is black and forked at the end! Well, snakes need to stick their tongues out to disperse heat and to smell things. When you have scales instead of skin, you can't sweat. Not even when you're at the podium on behalf of your evil master.
She was the closest thing
October 15, 2009 - 23:01 ET by celatorShe was the closest thing to reptilian behavior I've ever seen in a human being. Completely revolting.
Perfect for Obama's spokesperson, though.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
Anita Dunn
October 16, 2009 - 00:45 ET by matthewdeanHysterical comments, all of them.
However, I must take the high road and point out a blinding glimpse of the obvious:
Dunns' lingulate member was trying to ESCAPE.
MD
We are in Bizarro World!
October 15, 2009 - 18:14 ET by motherbeltAt a time when no one is allowed to believe that Rush Limbaugh has any decent qualities at all, and is supposed to be shunned and ostracized, because they claim he is a racist, we are supposed to admire Mao, because besides murdering 70 million people, he fought what appeared to be an unwinnable war?
This is not really BKeyser
October 15, 2009 - 18:34 ET by BKeyserThis is not really BKeyser making the following comment as BKeyser would not risk incarceration. This is instead, a keyboard hijacker.
"Is it safe to say there are some Communist Sympathizers in and around the White House?" said the not BKeyser.
What are you afraid of
October 15, 2009 - 18:51 ET by general companyThey are going to hang you for the photoshops
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
BKeyser,
October 15, 2009 - 19:20 ET by R D HelmLOL-You haven't been visited by the US Police Force now, have you?
-Dave
The White House claims that
October 15, 2009 - 19:56 ET by d1carterThe White House claims that she was joking. Another out and out lie from this administration. She was speaking to a group of high school seniors. She reflects the philosophy of this White House. It will be interesting to see if any of the fringe media will pick this up. The funny part about GB is the red phone trap he has them in. If not for GB, who?
Not only the millions
October 15, 2009 - 18:15 ET by MidAmericaNot only the millions of dead but also decades of grinding poverty resulting in a huge but backward country that was not able to lift itself up until Mao was gone and his ideas tossed aside.
She was speaking to HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS
October 15, 2009 - 18:17 ET by TrickletownYeah, Beck said it was a group of high school students. No wonder her mouth was so dry that she flicked her tongue in and out like a snake between every word.
So Beck uncovers this video, shocking frankly in it's ramifications, and in the next segment he is shedding tears while watching old Pepsi and Kodak commercials (they used to him feel good).
Wow. Only from from Glenn Beck.
You appear to have
October 15, 2009 - 20:47 ET by marvlYou appear to have completely missed the point. Therefore, I suspect you are a liberal.
Wow
October 15, 2009 - 21:24 ET by Mike76Wow. Only a ignorant soulless freak would focus on Glenn Beck, when a woman praises a man who murdered 70 million people.
Wow. Only from Trickletown.
Chris Matthews in Disguise
October 15, 2009 - 22:10 ET by HumblepieTrickletown sounds a lot like Chris Matthews in disguise, except they may wish to change it to Trickledown. Thats what happens after you have the tingle up your leg.
Beck has been dead on these past few weeks, maybe you should spend the time to listen to what he actually says. This administration employees many fascist/socialist loving people, why? It begs to question their motives and to what direction they actually want to take this nation.
I for one am tired of the spin from Washington. All of them need a good kick in the backside and sat down and made to read the works of Washington, Thomas Payne, etc... After that they can try to read the Constitution and try to understand what our founding fathers were attempting to create. It's time to take back this country from the moronic elite, who self serving interest and Marxist ways are tearing down this great country.
Shake a military member's hand, they help keep this country great.
You'd be crying too if you understood
October 16, 2009 - 10:08 ET by KimnotaI think Beck is frighted at what is coming our way. Unlike his critics he understands history! My guess is he doesn't sleep much.
You'd be crying too if you understood
October 16, 2009 - 10:10 ET by KimnotaI think Beck is frightened at what is coming our way. Unlike his critics he understands history! My guess is he doesn't sleep much between research and worrying. I know he has like 300 employees but how does he have a show with such new shocking information every night!
This was great. He
October 15, 2009 - 18:19 ET by Radical1979This was great. He profiled Che Guevera. I looked online for information about him and found very little and all whitewashed. Beck keeps bringing issues out this administration is trying to hide.
I had to avert my eyes.....
October 15, 2009 - 18:22 ET by JamesonLewis3rdI thought she was hacking up a hairball.
________________
Hebrews 11:8
Jeremiah 33:3
I hope...
October 15, 2009 - 18:25 ET by cjbreischI hope that there is no longer any doubt in ANYONE's mind.
The inmates are running the asylum.
Why Mao?
October 15, 2009 - 18:28 ET by slickwillie2001Why is open admiration of Che, Castro, Mao, Chavez, etc, accepted on the left, and in fact is quite common, yet Hitler is properly rejected? What's the difference between them? In terms of death tolls, Hitler is somewhere in the middle.
it's pretty obvious
October 15, 2009 - 18:31 ET by jon_torlinHitler was white.
-Jon
and European...
October 15, 2009 - 18:32 ET by MidAmericaand European...
...and fought communist
October 15, 2009 - 21:26 ET by Mike76...and fought communist Russia.
Yeah, but so was Lenin and
October 15, 2009 - 19:06 ET by OnepersonsopinionYeah, but so was Lenin and Stalin and Stalin is #2 on the 20th century all-time murder list.
Besides being white and
October 15, 2009 - 18:42 ET by JackrvBesides being white and European, Hitler is considered to be right wing. All of those they admire are hard left wing.
Jack
no way was he right wing
October 15, 2009 - 18:49 ET by jon_torlinI don't know where that came from, but Hitler was very left wing in his actions leading up to the Holocaust, which is why Soetoro is being compared to Hitler by a lot of people, even me.(yeah, yeah, makes me a racist, boo hoo whatever)
Gun control, hard economic times, Volkswagon, and so on.
Kinda hard not to see the similarities.
-Jon
Nope Jack
October 15, 2009 - 18:49 ET by general companyHitler was a socialist, meaning leftist
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Yeah, a real leftist that
October 15, 2009 - 19:28 ET by JerYeah, a real leftist that Hitler guy. That's why he broke with the SR, hated communists and liberals and was hired by capitalists to spy on them.
Jer
So he wasnt a socialist Jer?
October 15, 2009 - 20:16 ET by general companyWho knew?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I should have added, to the
October 15, 2009 - 19:52 ET by JackrvI should have added, to the people who loved mao et al, Hitler is considered right.
Jack
Boy, we have some stupid
October 15, 2009 - 21:46 ET by Scuba DudeBoy, we have some stupid trolls running around here lately.
Hitler = head of National Socialist Party
Socialist are considered to be on the LEFT of the political spectrum.
So your statement is WRONG.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
Sorry, Jack, but Hitler was
October 15, 2009 - 20:52 ET by marvlSorry, Jack, but Hitler was not "right wing." Common misconception. The Nazi Party was the National Socialist Party.
Same is true of Mussolini. I can't think of many "right wing" dictators. They just don'tgo togethre.
Maybe those spiffy military outfits have you confused?
"I can't think of many "right wing" dictators."
October 15, 2009 - 21:17 ET by Jer"I can't think of many "right wing" dictators."
Can you think of any? Or do you subscribe to the Willis Rules of Conduct which holds that no matter where one falls on the political spectrum, if one is a 'murdering thug', it automatically makes one a "leftist".
Jer
Well Jer, Considering
October 15, 2009 - 21:52 ET by Scuba DudeWell Jer,
Considering that Stalin who clocks in at 20 million killed under his rule and Mao coming in with 70 million are both COMMUNISTS with Communism being even further to the left of Socialism tells me the worst thugs in history are leftists.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
Duly noted, Scuba... Now,
October 15, 2009 - 21:59 ET by JerDuly noted, Scuba...
Now, will you answer my question?
Jer
Sorry to jump in but...
October 15, 2009 - 22:03 ET by MightyMouththe answer is YES! (by definition)
"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
I had gathered that, but
October 15, 2009 - 22:11 ET by JerI had gathered that, but was just waiting for confirmation.
Thanks. Again. [You've been especially helpful tonight.]
Jer
Jer
October 15, 2009 - 22:16 ET by MightyMouthYou are gonna have to lay back on the sarcasim or I am gonna have to get mean with ya buddy!
I could ask you questions all night that you can't answer pal.
<just kidding>
"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
MM...
October 15, 2009 - 22:49 ET by JerSure, there was a trace of sarcasm--but it was all good-natured. Plus, I've already conceded you had me stumped with the GROK reference. [And I just hate being stumped.]
Jer
No worries m8!
October 15, 2009 - 22:50 ET by MightyMouth"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
You don't know
October 15, 2009 - 23:23 ET by Scuba DudeYou don't know GROK?
Hmmmmm, not as well read as you think you are. ; )
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I do, too.
October 16, 2009 - 00:02 ET by JerAt least I do now...since kata graciously linked it.
Hmmm..."well read" is a very relative term. Personally, I don't think I am.
Jer
I cannot think of any.
October 15, 2009 - 22:23 ET by Scuba DudeI cannot think of any. Communism has killed more people than any other political system. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot are responsible for the deaths of over 100 million people. Can you tell me of any right wing political party or figure that has been responsible for deaths of that magnitude or even 1/10th of that amount? And please do not say Hitler, he is on the left as much as the loons on the left try and disown him.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
You'r right!
October 16, 2009 - 10:23 ET by Kimnotacheck out this political right/left scale. They have Hitler slightly right of center. This is a European site and it's amazing how far right they have many European leaders and George Bush. There's also a 5 min test people can take to get their individual profile. http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2
As I took that test it
October 16, 2009 - 15:00 ET by Dan The Man 2As I took that test it seemed like the test questiobns were rigged towards leftist values. I scored a bit right of Angela Merkel about on the same x plane.
Know how to keep a Troll in suspense? Ill tell ya in the morning.
As evil as Hitler was, he
October 15, 2009 - 18:45 ET by StogieGuyAs evil as Hitler was, he caused far fewer deaths than Mao or Stalin. A FACT not often taught in government schools.....
Yeah, I have always wondered why. And, I think it started back in 1940 when FDR decided it was necessary to befriend the USSR in a bid to isolate Germany. Ever since then, Stalin's abuses have been whitewashed.
As for Mao, admiration of him is reserved for only the looniest corner of the lunatic fringe. Even today's Chinese are reserved in their discussions of him.
Thanks Glenn - we just have to root these jerks out one at a time!!
Well, if you consider
October 15, 2009 - 18:45 ET by JerWell, if you consider second place--and far more prolific in death dealing than three of the remaining four--to fall "somewhere in the middle".
Jer
Correction Jer
October 15, 2009 - 18:52 ET by StogieGuyThird of four - not second. Do the research.
Research?...done. Years ago.
October 15, 2009 - 19:03 ET by JerResearch?...done. Years ago.
I was responding to the post which specifically named Mao, Hitler, Che, Castro, and Chavez. Reading comprehension, Stogie.
Jer
Merely semantics that don't
October 15, 2009 - 19:13 ET by StogieGuyMerely semantics that don't prove anything in your favor.
I can name off several more leftist murders of the last century who killed more people than Hitler - perhaps ranking him even lower. He was horrible, but not as horrible as Mao - when you take in the entire death toll.
And Barack Hussein Obama has close advisors who are in his fan club. Very, very dangerous group.
Well, it proves I can
October 15, 2009 - 19:31 ET by JerWell, it proves I can read. If slick would like to clarify his post, he's free to do so.
Jer
Gotta hand it to Beck
October 15, 2009 - 18:29 ET by general companyBet Dunn is looking for that phone number bout now
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
That is not what Dunn was saying
October 15, 2009 - 18:32 ET by SterlingNow I am not exactly down with Chairman Mao; but I do not think what Dunn was saying in that little speech to graduating teenagers was that she is a follower of his policies. Obviously, any educated person could see that she was a fan of Mao’s strategies. Just like some military generals have to study Napoleon, most political scientist has to study Mao. In fact, Mao was influenced by Sun Tzu; so by Beck’s spacious reasoning, anyone who studies Sun Tzu is a follower of Mao; thus a communist. You folks are really grasping a straws.
Of course you are correct, but....
October 15, 2009 - 18:37 ET by TrickletownMs Dunn, simply by invoking the name of the Great Chairman, has given Beck all the ammunition he needs to further his crusade of 'Red Menace' alarmism.
She stepped in it, big time.
Warning.....Trolls Smooching
October 15, 2009 - 18:47 ET by BlondeSheesh.
I wish they'd figure this out.....this is just disgusting.
I hope he fails, too.
Out of control
October 15, 2009 - 18:47 ET by SterlingMaybe so, but thoughtful people should call this tactic out when they see it. I remember an incident involving Trent Lott, he wished Strom Thurman a happy birthday; those on the left immediately called him a racist, but those on the right like Beck, defended the comments and said that Lott does not agree with the policies. It is not exactly an apples to apples example but it will be sufficient enough. Oh I counted 13 times that Glenn Beck wept today; what an unmanly display.
I'm not quite sure of your
October 15, 2009 - 18:52 ET by Radical1979I'm not quite sure of your point. Are you saying wishing someone a happy birthday is the same as refering to someone as one of your favorite political philosophers? Totally different expressions in my opinion.
THIS is "unmanly"
October 15, 2009 - 19:31 ET by UnsaneOh I counted 13 times that Glenn Beck wept today; what an unmanly display. What is unmanly is being a hate-filled, extremely angry elitist snob with total contempt for humanity. This of course would be you.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
~OMO
October 22, 2009 - 09:28 ET by choselife3xI know I'm a few days late to this party, but OMO!
what an unmanly display.
I on the other hand am taking culinary classes and the chef told me that I was his most talented student.
Now if you will excuse me I simply must retire to my chamber.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
dborschjr68, CTPatriot, and pelicanmarsh are dead to me. I want
nothing to do with them as they represent a time for me that was less
than Christian and less than appropriate. --black47211 aka donaldborschjr
Well tinkletown, I suppose
October 15, 2009 - 19:09 ET by StogieGuyWell tinkletown, I suppose invoking the name of der Fuhrer would have the same effect wouldn't it? And they are on par.
Interesting thing though: tick off the names of the great murderers of the 20th century (Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Kim Yong-il, etc.) and all but Hitler are confirmed left wingers. I also maintain Hitler was a leftie too because if you study the Nazi party's platforms with regard to social and economic policies, it was pretty heavy into government control and central planning. Like the far left.
But, liberal educational institutions have successfully maintained the fallacy that the German Nazis were far right. It's pretty debatable, once you get that extreme.
You may dismissively call this "stepping in it" as if it was a minor slip of the forked tongue; but it's very very telling about the level of extremism that exists in our White House right now.
sheesh, StoogieGuy....
October 15, 2009 - 19:23 ET by TrickletownSorry I'm not quite as paranoid as you , but I did agree that she stepped into a pile of trouble with her ill advised remarks. Especially to High School grads. There's no pleasing you alarmist types huddled in the far right corner of the 'big tent'.
Tinkletoes, something tells me you haven't the foggiest clue...
October 15, 2009 - 19:37 ET by R D Helm...as to what Nazism actually was.
Perhaps if more "alarmists" had come to the four in interwar Germany, a massive tragedy could have been avoided.
-Dave
RD Helmet wearer,
October 15, 2009 - 20:24 ET by TrickletownCome to the 'four'? That would be "come into the fore(ground)". But hey, little feller, why nit pick when the Red Menace is about to take over our vulnerable little country.
I meant "fore."
October 15, 2009 - 20:26 ET by R D HelmBesides, we don't count off for spelling here at NB.
-Dave
LOL, Dave
October 15, 2009 - 20:30 ET by BlondeDumber than kitty litter, these libs are.
I hope he fails, too.
J,
October 15, 2009 - 20:40 ET by R D HelmLOL-Yeah, my FF spell checker thingy screwed me, and I didn't catch it.
Notice he failed to respond to my earlier point.
-Dave
Damn, you really don't get what is happening, do you?
October 15, 2009 - 20:32 ET by R D HelmThat is truly extraordinary.
-Dave
Dave,
October 15, 2009 - 20:37 ET by TrickletownThat is some arrogance you've got there, just because I don't agree with you. Extraordinary! The truth is, I believe our country is strong enough to withstand the political upheaval that you and the Becker heads see coming around the corner. God Bless the USA!
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol
October 15, 2009 - 19:34 ET by SterlingHitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Kim Yong-il, etc. Global warming has killed more than all of those men combined. I guess you wingnuts just need to see a face to evil to understand it.
Sterling, ROFLMAO, you have got to be kidding, right?
October 15, 2009 - 19:41 ET by R D HelmI don't know what kind of drugs you are on, but you are one for the books.
Good grief.
-Dave
Dave
October 15, 2009 - 19:53 ET by Free StinkerSterling is just so Sterling, isn't he ?
"President Obama is learning on the job and it shows." --Boris Epshteyn
Free,
October 15, 2009 - 20:15 ET by R D HelmLOL-I still can't believe he said that.
I am beginning to truly wonder if Sterling here is the spawn of Al Gore.
-Dave
Your SUV is commiting a war crime somewhere.
October 15, 2009 - 20:24 ET by SterlingOh, I think I may make that into a bumper sticker. That's pretty witty. Yes it is hard to believe. Mass famines, natural disasters, scarcity of resources, and political instability do to these factors are the major evil that we must face in the 21st Century. Come out of the Victorian Era friends and enter the age of science.
Oh no....it's in my driveway
October 15, 2009 - 20:28 ET by Blonde"evil of the 21st Century"?
You liberals are insane.
I hope he fails, too.
Yes it is hard to
October 15, 2009 - 21:07 ET by R D HelmYes it is hard to believe. Mass famines, natural disasters, scarcity
of resources, and political instability do to these factors are the
major evil that we must face in the 21st Century.
Perhaps so, but outside of political instabilty, none of the other factors you have mentioned have, or could, be caused by human activity.
BTW, I drive a 2008 Ford Focus 5-speed, which I bought 15 months ago. It has 6,735miles on the odo.
Ask Blonde if you don't believe me.
-Dave
access denied?
October 15, 2009 - 22:18 ET by katainkentgosh and I had a great pun all ready and everything.
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The Emperor, he has no clothes
Awwwwwwwww, poor
October 15, 2009 - 22:27 ET by Scuba DudeAwwwwwwwww, poor Sterling............NOT!!!!
What an elitist twit if there ever was one.
<edit> Darn, now I will never see him provide me with a link supporting his claim of global warming causing more deaths than the leftist dictators. Then again I would have never received an answer since it is a LIE!!
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Science? Okay, lets talk
October 16, 2009 - 06:53 ET by BDScience?
Okay, lets talk history. Mass famines are almost never caused by crop failure attributable to a natural condition such as weather. Rather they are usually caused by a political factor.
Perfect examples include the largest famine of all time caused by Mao's decision to evacuate the countryside of its agricultural workers and attempt to convert them into industrial workers in the nascent cities.
Another good example would be the famine that killed millions of the residents of the Soveit Union under Stalin who had similarly dispossessed his most productive agriculatural workers in order to collectivize their privately owned lands.
Ethiopia? Nope, caused by a civil war in which one side tried to starve the other.
Somalia? Nope, likewise caused by civil war between rival factions.
You will note a curiousity in that functional democracies never seem to have famine. Even during our Great drepression there was no famine even though their was poor weather conditions.
Try again please.
Saddam did some
October 16, 2009 - 08:36 ET by jon_torlinI remember Saddam Hussein did some environmental damage in one area, something to do with wet marshlands and using defoliants and making the area barren.
-Jon
Stupidity from our resident snob
October 16, 2009 - 08:12 ET by UnsaneThat some of those mass famines that you note were MAN-MADE of course escapes you. As to things like the 2 August 1934 "Ear Law" or "Law on Five Ears of Corn", of course you are silent. That some of those natural disasters were exacerbated by Socialist and Communist policies likewise escapes you.
We have long since entered the age of science, my hate-filled, contemptuous, elitist snob. Do us a favor before getting out from under your rock and posting here again: study history.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Keep up, Unsane... Our
October 16, 2009 - 08:19 ET by JerKeep up, Unsane...
Our "resident snob" no longer resides here.
Jer
It must be LSD
October 15, 2009 - 21:41 ET by Mike76He's hallucinating that "global warming" killed over, what? 300 million people?
It has to be LSD.
Wingnuts?
October 15, 2009 - 19:57 ET by BlondeTry not to step into our den and do your thing on the floor.
We need a better class of troll, here. ©
I hope he fails, too.
You cant possably believe that?
October 15, 2009 - 20:09 ET by general companyI doubt even dumba$$ Gore would agree with you
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
"Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol
October 15, 2009 - 21:59 ET by Scuba Dude"Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Kim Yong-il, etc. Global warming has killed more than all of those men combined"
Care to supply a link to defend that statement? And one not linking back to Media Matters, Wikipedia, Huffpo or Kos?
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Global warming has killed
October 16, 2009 - 06:55 ET by BDSterling:
Global warming has killed more people than the dicatators you listed?
Nonsense.
You may be excused now.
Stupid
October 16, 2009 - 14:09 ET by VengeanceIsMineThat is just a stupid thing to say. Global warming has killed more than 100 million people?!?! I'll give you the environmentalists are responsible for 40 million deaths in Africa from the banning of DDT. Now are environmentalists usually left or right politically?
"You cannot spend your way out of recession or borrow your way out of debt." Daniel Hannan
oh really?
October 15, 2009 - 18:37 ET by jon_torlinWho was that lady that said bin Laden was doing a good thing by building roads and schools?
-Jon
In fact, Mao was influenced
October 15, 2009 - 18:45 ET by Dan The Man 2In fact, Mao was influenced by Sun Tzu; so by Beck’s spacious
reasoning, anyone who studies Sun Tzu is a follower of Mao; thus a
communist. You folks are really grasping a straws
If this was an isolated incident and Dunn had not declared war against FNC then we may be grasping at straws but she did and it isnt. Bringing up Mao is grasping at straws and shows where your leanings are. She could have brought up any other better examples but it seems she aligns with Mao. Heck she could havebrought up Sun Tzu himself or Any respectable people who study him.
You are the one grasping.
Know how to keep a Troll in suspense? Ill tell ya in the morning.
My fave filo is different
October 15, 2009 - 18:47 ET by CO2MakerIf she said, "I learned something from Mao," that's one thing: we all learn things from bad people and enemies. But she called him one of her two "favorite political philosophers," and that's a tad more of an encomium. Beck's reasoning isn't specious--or for that matter, very spacious--and she did utter the words. It's depreseing, and Beck was just acting like an MAO inhibitor.
Oh, btw, who said his favorite philosopher was Jesus Christ, and was promptly laughed up one side of the MSM and own the other of the SCM? Didn't he beat Gore? I seem to remember that.
MAO inhibitor....
October 15, 2009 - 20:18 ET by dydx...lol...
People being MAO inhibitors should avoid people being bananas.
I read it on the label.
Well, Mao's policies
October 15, 2009 - 18:49 ET by Radical1979Well, Mao's policies included mass executions and totalitarianism. For me, that's a bad thing, and not just "grasping at straws".
Foolish child; there is a
October 15, 2009 - 18:55 ET by SterlingFoolish child; there is a difference between philosophy and policy. That is what you all are missing.
Not much difference from
October 15, 2009 - 19:02 ET by general companyA philosipher who has those policies. Easy to see why you havent been around
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
For the condescending, hate-filled elitist snob
October 15, 2009 - 19:39 ET by UnsaneCondescending, hate-filled elitist snob, you demonstrate your complete ignorance of history in that statement. Try reading The Black Book of Communism sometime. It has an entire section on China.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Unsane, your personal
October 15, 2009 - 19:53 ET by SterlingUnsane, your personal attacks are so unbecoming. I came on this thread to educate not to attack. You should read a little yourself; mainly my keen analytical observations. They are quite on the mark if I do say so myself. All Madam Dunn was saying is that Chairman Mao’s philosophy is quite engaging. She was not advocating mass genocide or forced labor camps; may I add the Chinese Nationalist were just as brutal too. You sir should read up on the brutal tactics that the Chinese Nationalist used against their own people.
Easy to see you are as sharp as Dunn herself
October 15, 2009 - 20:00 ET by general companymainly my keen analytical observations.
Wow, guess you missed the whole point that there are far better examples she could had used to those KID she was speaking to. Not that I am suprised mind you.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Ahhh
October 15, 2009 - 20:07 ET by Thinking.ManSterling said : "You sir should read up on the brutal tactics that the Chinese Nationalist used against their own people."
Ah little by little you reveal yourself Sterling. First your not a Mao fan, now your defending him, and getting ever more arrogant as your childish arguments come apart.
Comrade Sterling's real personality is starting to shine through, can't you just see him using the butt of his rifle to rid the world of all the nasty conservatives that are standing in the way of glorious leaders enevitable victory?
Give me a break
October 15, 2009 - 20:19 ET by SterlingAHHH? Do you have indigestion sir? I digress; the Mao who fought against the Nationalist was not the same Mao who instituted the Great Leap Forward. When he was fighting the Nationalist he used their own brutality against them and was a master strategist. The Mao who used shock industrialization on his country was an ego-centric dictator. Do not confuse the two. Power got to his head and he became arrogant.
Really?
October 15, 2009 - 20:23 ET by BlondeWas it his evil twin?
Sheesh...you liberals are insane.
I hope he fails, too.
Right...
October 15, 2009 - 20:25 ET by MightyMouthI'm sure Anita Dunn is making that distinction...
"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
Hey what about that GW comment
October 15, 2009 - 20:29 ET by general companyWould love to see your info about that?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Sterling
October 15, 2009 - 22:02 ET by MrShy"Power got to his head and he became arrogant."
Ohh, I see, power got to his head. So it wasn't his fault, and wasn't really him.
I agree with Blonde. Liberals are absolutely insane.
Gee Sterling
October 15, 2009 - 22:17 ET by RESTLESS 1"Power got to his head and he became arrogant."
Mao - obama, obama - mao. They pretty much seem interchangeable when you explain it that way.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Yea
October 15, 2009 - 20:22 ET by general companyActualy, a number others have me worried as well
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Laughable
October 16, 2009 - 08:19 ET by UnsaneReally? You come here to educate, not attack, you say? Then why open up responses with such sneering phrases like "foolish child"? And why are you once again proving your total ignorance of history?
When Mao's philosophy was applied, it led to such utter disasters as The Great Leap Forward and the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution.
Why would I read your horrifyingly bad analytical observations when I can instead peruse my own library? Such as The Rise of Red China (read in my teens), The Black Book of Communism, and the two copies I have of The Little Red Book, in three languages?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Wow
October 15, 2009 - 20:03 ET by Thinking.ManEvery time you open your mouth it becomes more apparent that you are a psuedo intellectual arrogant leftist troll
To claim that a persons stated philosophies have no bearing on their "future" behavior is a typical leftist ploy, but to have the audacity to use that bit of straw on Mao a figure who has already worked it out for all to see is unbelievable.
Either Mao was a liar (said one thing, did another) or he was integral and followed his beliefs (philosophies)
History indeed tells us that his philosophies were lived out to horrifying effect, for this womain to stand back and say she admires the one but abhors would be the height of intellectual dishonesty, which is perhaps why she didnt make any such disclaimer.
She is a Mao fan, and I suspect so are you.
Be honest, just admit you love and admire dictators that know how to get rid of their enemies, we wont think any less of you since that would be impossible!
I am sitting here chuckling...
October 15, 2009 - 21:52 ET by Mike76..reading through this thread, reading the lefties defend Mao, try to bash Glenn Beck, and defend that ugly, silly Dunn woman. I doubt if any of them, including her, could "strategy" their way out of a paper bag with a blow torch and a chain saw.
Liberals are people who desperately want someone to take care of them, because they're incapable of taking care of themselves.
If you are on to something here, I will have to laugh
October 16, 2009 - 08:25 ET by UnsaneI would find it very entertaining if Sterling was a fan of some of the more evil Communists like Mao. Why? Because if he is in fact who and what he constantly proclaims he is, he is going to be one of the very first marched in front of a firing squad if he gets his wish. At least in my case the Communists would attempt to get a use out of me (or most Rightists) before giving me a 9mm brain hemmorhage.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Then why did she use the word Philosophy
October 15, 2009 - 18:58 ET by richb313You have to wonder why did she use the word philosophy. If you admire someones tactics that is different than saying that you agree with thier philosophy. She is supposed to be an eductaed woman. I am sure she knows the difference. Maybe she meant to say tactics but she said philosophy, maybe a Freudian Slip? No I think it is reflex. Most modern liberals admire the goals of communisim and just think that all the damage done was because of incompetent and corrupt leaders. They cannot understand the flaws built into "Scientific Government" which is how Marx described it. It is a real failure to understand the true nature of man.
Any one with any religious up bringing knows that man is flawed. The reasons given are varied but the theme is the same. It is only by adhereing to principles, that we are doomed to never fully achieve, and understanding this flawed nature that we can advance. It is why checks and balances were included in the Constitution. Modern liberals believe in the perfection of man and his civilization and are always trying to prove it. Every time they fail they try and prove it again. You have to give them credit, they are very persistant.
Since Modern Liberals and Conservatives, by and large, see the world so completely differently there can really be no middle ground or compromise. When this country was founded and up to the turn of the century(1890's to early 1900's) there was no difference between liberals and conservatives on the basic Nature of Man. The cafe societies of Paris and Berlin were the birth place of what passes for modern philosophy and the resulting damage.
It is important to realise that when speakng to people that if they can't even see the world the way it really is you will never be able to reach a compromise. It is also important to realise that this IS thier PHILOSOPHY.
I disagree Rich
October 15, 2009 - 19:07 ET by general companyMost modern liberals admire the goals of communisim and just think that
all the damage done was because of incompetent and corrupt leaders.
Any that pursue this type of governance are already currupt
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
You might be right
October 15, 2009 - 22:56 ET by richb313You might be right in the sense that they have alraedy corrupted thier ability to think straight. The point I am trying to make is that a central tennent of both communisim and socialism is the superiority of the state and by that also central control. It is that central control with no mechanisms that exist to check government that is the problem. Human Nature is the problem and the solution if it is taken into account when proposing any government or program.
Ridiculous
October 15, 2009 - 19:35 ET by Thinking.ManShe said Mao was her favorite political philosopher, period, she gave no other disclaimers. It was and is a plain and simple endorsement, so wave your hands all you like, she is a Mao fan and likes his work, period.
As far as guilt by association your reasoning is bizzare and backwards to say the least.
If Mao were still alive and was to say he liked this woman and Beck brander her a Maoist for such an endorsement then you would have a point.
The love fest is clearly towards Mao and not the other way around, she is a hard core leftist (as are you) and I suspect you both dream of the good old days when a dictator could round up their enemies and do away with them without all the fuss.
Educated people, you mean people that think like you do? Is there even one leftist out there that is intellectually honest?
I all I hear is the sound of silence
'Mr. Thinking Man
October 15, 2009 - 19:50 ET by Jer"She said Mao was her favorite political philosopher, period, she gave no other disclaimers...."
Maybe this will require some revision after my audio function is restored, but, for now, I will simply note that your characterization of Mr. Poor's slight misquoting of Dunn is a flagrant misstatement of fact.
Jer
Well
October 15, 2009 - 20:12 ET by Thinking.ManI would comment as to your point, but since you havent actually made one I will let you step in it deeper troll
My point was your
October 15, 2009 - 20:23 ET by JerMy point was your demonstrable lack of reading comprehension, which point you have further reinforced by your response, troll.
Jer
Now, I am not exactly
October 15, 2009 - 21:04 ET by marvlNow, I am not exactly enamored of your reasoning abilities, Sterling, but I'll try...
You realize you are trying to spin the ladies words? You're putting so much spin on them that I expect the vowels to start losing their bowels at any moment. Listen to what the lady says: she admires Mao, one of the most evil political figures of all time. And whether or not Mao studies Sun Tzu or generals study Napolean is about as relevant as a photo of Joy Behar's toilet bowel after she's eaten Mexican.
I would also counsel you to read a very fundamental text on logic. The statement(s) "In fact, Mao was influenced by Sun Tzu; so by Beck’s spacious
reasoning, anyone who studies Sun Tzu is a follower of Mao; thus a
communist." make virtually no sense. And are about as relevant as a photo of Joy Behar's toilet bowel after she's eaten Mexican.
Jeez, guy, it's a real shame there is no such thing as mental therapy. You know, like physical therapy, except for the brain.
If you don't agree with a liberal, you're "ignorant"
October 15, 2009 - 21:34 ET by Mike76No, any educated person could see that she was a fan of the man himself. But it was a nice attempt at spin anyway, Sterling.
Becks' reasoning
October 16, 2009 - 01:30 ET by matthewdeanReference Sterlings' post @ 19:32ET
Yeah, the Beckster does get out there quite a ways. That would explain his "spacious" reasoning.
Now, saying that anyone who studies a Shih Tzu may end up having to pick up Moa The Dung may not be funny, but neither is it "specious."
MD
Rush
October 16, 2009 - 03:55 ET by imau2fanIf Rush were given the same benefit of the doubt on his past quotes, he'd soon be a Rams co-owner.
I am sure Obama didn't know
October 15, 2009 - 18:42 ET by 10ksnookerBarrack Hussein Obama ... mmmm, mmmmm, mmm .... plllhhhttttt.
How could he possibly know who he was hiring. The background checks would have told him if they were bad. What? You mean they were waved through, no checks needed. That's strange, only the President can do that.
Trolls Out Thick Tonight
October 15, 2009 - 19:13 ET by srqvetGlenn must have really hit a nerve with all of the trolls out tonight. Way to go Glenn! By the way, Hitler's political party was the National Socialist German Workers' Party (hence, Nazi). Hardly, right of center. Nice try trolls and thanks for playing.
Obummer has surrounded himself with commies and radicals who could not get a security clearance requiring a background check. Interesting fact.
The trolls are out in force
October 15, 2009 - 19:54 ET by FeynmanFanThe trolls are out in force tonight because Beck has got Dunn in a corner and there's nothing she can to about it. Her only hope was to send out her winged monkeys as revenge.
I'm sure they have all been told what issues to press and how to make their points.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
FF...
October 15, 2009 - 19:58 ET by bigtimerI'm sure they have all been told what issues to press and how to make their points.
Right you are...and they will.
I saw the show this afternoon...another rich one...job well done Beck!
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Oh yes I am sitting in the
October 15, 2009 - 20:00 ET by SterlingOh yes I am sitting in the west wing of the White House as we speak, with Rahm Emanuel looking over my shoulder telling me what to write. You Crazy Conservatives crack me up. (I just adore alliteration.)
Sterling
October 15, 2009 - 20:03 ET by BlondeI'd suggest you start adding some substantive comments to anything here.
Otherwise, don't let the door hit you in your butt on your way out.
I hope he fails, too.
Sterling
October 15, 2009 - 20:28 ET by MrShyCrazy, nutty Conservatives.
And now back to the sane world, which is progressive - liberalism.
Geez Shy
October 15, 2009 - 20:34 ET by general companyThe last one bout made me loose my cookies
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Mr. Shy
October 15, 2009 - 20:35 ET by FeynmanFanDid you also notice that now that Sterling's back, neither kengie nor ILTK nor nwahs are posting any more?
Coincidence?
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
FeynmanFan
October 15, 2009 - 20:38 ET by MightyMouthThey are probably taking turns polishing Obama's halo. It's a tag team kind of thing.
"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
MM & FeynFan
October 15, 2009 - 21:12 ET by MrShyI'm not a trollbuster like chose, so I'm not always on top of these things, but that does sound suspicious.
I haven't seen Teddy in quite a while, speaking of...
(and funny MM! :))
D*mn...What a time for my
October 15, 2009 - 20:03 ET by JerD*mn...What a time for my email server to be down. Could any of my fellow trolls please copy and paste our prescribed talking points? I'm at a complete loss as to how to respond to this.
Thanks.
Jer
Your TV isn't working?
October 15, 2009 - 20:05 ET by BlondeI hope he fails, too.
Honest to God, Blonde...
October 15, 2009 - 20:32 ET by JerHonest to God, Blonde...
I was watching Beck earlier this evening, up until the conclusion of his reading assignments regarding that big stack of books on his desk, and then it looked like he was about to start crying and I couldn't take it any more.
Jer
Yeah, Jer
October 15, 2009 - 20:36 ET by BlondeI didn't get that tearing up thing either....but you must admit, it was a pretty impressive stack of books.
I hope he fails, too.
Blonde...
October 15, 2009 - 20:48 ET by JerJust for you, and all other Beck fans at NB, I'm going to look for the recent article I ran across which contained glowing praise of Glen about how well-read and always prepared he is.
Jer
edit. That sentence is a mess.
Never said I was a fan, Jer
October 15, 2009 - 20:48 ET by BlondeBut my mom is....so that's what is usually on at 5.
I hope he fails, too.
Pardon the presumption, Blonde...
October 15, 2009 - 20:59 ET by JerPardon the presumption, Blonde...
After reading the article, I'll concede my opinion of Beck at least was elevated from the absolute bottom of the negativity barrel.
Jer
Ah...those pesky preconceived notions.
October 15, 2009 - 21:02 ET by Blonde:D
I hope he fails, too.
Jer
October 15, 2009 - 20:08 ET by MightyMouthJust use the same old talking points as before: It's Bush's fault!
"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
MM...
October 15, 2009 - 20:27 ET by JerYou mean I need to repeat that in every post? I thought it was a given. :-)
Jer
Yes sir!
October 15, 2009 - 20:31 ET by MightyMouthJust put it in your sig, that way newcomers wont have to guess about your moonbat status! :-)
"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
I admire a man with solutions, MM.
October 15, 2009 - 20:37 ET by JerI admire a man with solutions, MM. After 2 years and 17 weeks, I think its time I had a sig/tag lilne. I'll need to figure out how to do it though. I'm not too good on this technical stuff.
Jer
Happy to assist Jer
October 15, 2009 - 20:46 ET by MightyMouthJust go to your account and hit edit. The sig is there..
May I suggest you keep it simple? Like:
Bush Lied People Died!
OR
Truth about 9/11 NOW!!
OR cover all bases with:
I GROK MOONBAT!
"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
Decisions...decisions.
October 15, 2009 - 20:51 ET by JerDecisions...decisions. All three are so COOL!
Jer
I'm not feeling much sincerity here Jer...tsk tsk..
October 15, 2009 - 21:04 ET by MightyMouth"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
Well if my opinion is
October 15, 2009 - 21:08 ET by general companyworth anything to you Jer, I would go with the "moonbat" one. Dont worry, I wont be offended if you choose one of the others.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I'm leaning toward
October 15, 2009 - 22:06 ET by JerI'm leaning toward "moonbat", but I need some clarification on the "GROK" thing.
Jer
here Jer
October 15, 2009 - 22:15 ET by katainkentgrok. lol that takes me back...
____________________________________________
The Emperor, he has no clothes
I GROK MOONBAT!
October 15, 2009 - 22:13 ET by katainkentok I laughed so hard I basically fell out of my chair.
____________________________________________
The Emperor, he has no clothes
Mighty... You should have
October 15, 2009 - 23:25 ET by bigtimerMighty...
You should have given a spew alert warning....that last suggestion has me laughing still...
Perfection at it's best...so fitting.
Thanks for the end of the evening enjoyment.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Be careful what you say…
October 15, 2009 - 20:09 ET by SterlingBe careful what you say… you may be perceived to be a communist freedom hating Chi-Com. It came out that I once listened to a Billy Bragg cassette in college and now I am blacklisted. Dear God what a transgression.
(yawn)
October 15, 2009 - 20:12 ET by Free Stinker(yawn)
yeah, really, yawn is right.
October 15, 2009 - 22:13 ET by Mike76yeah, really, yawn is right. Well, after the meltdown known as Obamacare winds down, the next items on the list for Team Obama should be amnesty for Mexican criminals, and gun control, not necessarily in that order.
Meanwhile, the ook-ooking monkeys known as "liberals" will be busy lecturing everyone how it's for their own good, calling people who disagree with them "ignorant," and throwing their feces while they whine for free bananas.
We live in interesting times.
Let's just hope we don't
October 15, 2009 - 18:55 ET by Carl KolchakLet's just hope we don't have a repeat of the left wing Gang of Four from the Cultural Revolution anytime. From the link below in regards to the Gang of Four.
"The charges specify that 727,420 Chinese were "persecuted" during that period, and that 34,274 died, though the often vague indictment did not specify exactly how."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,950448,00.html
Or let's hope there isn't a Great Leap Forward II. From the link below.
"In pursuit of its goals, the government executed people who did not agree with the pace of radical change. The crackdown led to the deaths of 550,000 people by 1958."
http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/960314/china.shtml
Good to see you again, Carl
October 15, 2009 - 19:50 ET by Unsane...or a repeat of the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution. Or of some of the great famines that occurred in China while trying to make it Utopia under Mao.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Good to see you Unsane. A
October 15, 2009 - 22:48 ET by Carl KolchakGood to see you Unsane. A guy by the name of Pasqualini who was a political prisoner of Mao's wrote a book "Prisoner of Mao". From the book "The World Was Going Our Way" by Christopher Andrew here is a link that talks a little about the book. Pasqualini said after he was broken by Mao's police he felt he truely loved Mao and his police force, and that he deserved to go to political prison.
Here is a link.
http://books.google.com/books?id=4eSR1rHg5_YC&pg=PA291&lpg=PA291&dq=Prisoner+of+Mao+KGB+the+World+Was+Going+our+Way&source=bl&ots=VKtTXmWyeS&sig=DKGVtjWUNgfAGv1626nbRiaSNio&hl=en&ei=L-rXSpSKBoPOsgOjq62aBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CA8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false
"White House Communications Director Anita Dunn"
October 15, 2009 - 19:03 ET by nolotrippenSix words that sum up what kind of person Obama thinks is good to have around.
This is his idea of a person to communicate for you? What, Goebbels was booked?
Secular communism was the
October 15, 2009 - 19:05 ET by deerjerkydaveSecular communism was the #1 biggest killer of people in the 20th century with 100 million people dead in its wake.
But no, its those darn Christians and their bibles that we should be concerned about. So say American secularists.
Not according to
October 15, 2009 - 20:40 ET by general companySterling,
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Anita Dunng
October 15, 2009 - 19:05 ET by Jack BauerIt is so refreshing to see another example of the truly SMART people Obama employs as his inner cabinet.
You see, your average laughable rube thinks of Mao as a loathsome, immensely stupid man. A monumentally ignorant creep with a penchant for mass murder, torture, and wicked cruelty.
That's because you are not SMART and sophisticated. Look, you can't make an omelet without murdering 50 million, give or take a few.
The disturbing thing is...
October 15, 2009 - 19:08 ET by Thinking.ManThis probably doesnt disturb any of the leftist out there,.
I can see Uberdork and rest of the MSNBC crowd just scratching their heads and kind of wondering what Glenns point is.
Fire Anita Dunn
October 15, 2009 - 19:11 ET by cajuncocoaNOW
----------------------------------------
Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.
--Ronald Reagan
And take this clown
October 15, 2009 - 19:29 ET by general companyWith you!
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
let's not make fun of her tick
October 15, 2009 - 19:21 ET by Candance MooreI used to know an older lady who had that problem because of a stroke. It could be a tourette's thing for all we know.
Either way, let's stick to issues and not make jouveline comments about appearance.
Roger that.
October 15, 2009 - 19:25 ET by Dan DiegoRoger that.
I agree, Candance. Let's
October 15, 2009 - 19:27 ET by nolotrippenI agree, Candance. Let's stick with the three pounder in their skulls that ends up processing data strangely compared to the three pounder in our skulls that at least tries for logic and moral clarity.
Who cares what they look like? Some of the most beautiful babes in entertainment make statements that make me cringe and think, "I wouldn't allow them to de-gunk my sink."
I didn't notice her mannerism before
October 15, 2009 - 19:28 ET by carolina09Like in her declaration of war on Fox. No distracting and rather repulsive mannerisms there.
so?
October 15, 2009 - 19:38 ET by Candance MoorePerhaps she can lessen its effects in short term appearances through concentrating, but it's hard to do that in long speeches.
Still no reason to obsess over physical details.
Heh...oops.
October 15, 2009 - 22:10 ET by RESTLESS 1Sorry Candance, I didn't see this before my post below.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Oh, why not?
October 15, 2009 - 20:58 ET by CO2MakerI bet her tick is a cute, blood-sucking little thing.
But okay, we can ease up on her tic.
<g>
Most Americans who enspouse Communism
October 16, 2009 - 03:38 ET by ChattychitoDon't understand that the type of communism employed in China is not that of the Ex Soviet Union, Chavez's Venezuela or that of Cuba.
China's communism is a modernized form of Imperial Rule. but in stead of the wealth going to one Imperial family who took care of the people it goes to a centralized government who takes care of the people.
land distribution to the poor for farming is still done the same way as it was 3000 and more years ago a farmer comes to the Imperial family asks for land (all land belongs tot he imperial family) a certain amount was given for the farmers use (not ownership) in exchange for 30% of the harvest. Still practice in China today. Industries were financed by the Imperial family and 60% came back to the Imperial coffers.
Just replace Imperial family with government and you have the type of communism in China. Their way of governing things in China has had only one change in the last 6000 years. Instead of Imperial families called dynasties running the show they have a central government running the show. This is why so many Chinese accept the type of communism. Not that everything they have done is good. Before Chinese families could have as many children as they wanted. we are now seeing they made a mistake in their enforcement of that one child only rule.
Here's a fact that's worth the knowing, So treasure and mark it well. When the mind is through with growing, the the head begins to swell. Sir Nosmo King
I quess Obamaphiles aren't Beatles fan
October 15, 2009 - 19:27 ET by Dim BulbYou say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me its the institution
Well, you know
You better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Time line
October 15, 2009 - 19:26 ET by LibertydudeWhen is this crap going to stop.
Damn obamabots
Only when we decide to stop
October 15, 2009 - 20:07 ET by jkwtradingOnly when we decide to stop talking and force them to to start producing..
Obama's Fallen Minions
October 15, 2009 - 20:04 ET by BondPlainBondWill we be adding this succubus to the list soon?
I'll bet dimes to doughnuts Obama is absolutely beside himself after declaring, with such audacity, that to know him and how his policies would be formed, all one need do is look at those with whom he surrounds himself.
And one by one we've looked and found his minions wanting. Minions he has personally placed in high-level White House positions of policy-making, continue to brazenly reveal themselves as pure evil on Earth, and, once revealed, must be discarded.
Read "discarded" as placed within an extreme and/or radical leftist auxillary organization (Podesta) of the White House (Van Jones, Yosi Sargent). Or, if you're ACORN, you have your funding restored, to the tune of billions, through deliberately murky language inserted into legislation in the dark of night by cowardly Democrats through the Community Reinvestment Act; all of which is directly contrary to the will of the loud and clear voices of the American people.
This succubus' constant tongue slithering "gives the appearance" of possible drug use (extreme and sticky "dry mouth" which usually accompanies cocaine use) and, having given that appearance of illegal activity, must be tested for drug use to satisfy the rational fear of the American public that drug users may be setting White House policy. While we're at it, have the entire Obama Administration tested for drug use. Way too much irrationality coming from that place.
When did Mother Teresea
October 15, 2009 - 20:06 ET by jkwtradingWhen did Mother Teresea become a political philosopher?
Like Rush says politics is their religion
When it became convenient
October 15, 2009 - 20:14 ET by KJ_sezWhen it became convenient for making a libtard talking point. Mother Theresa was, no doubt, ushered swiftly back into the closet after her brief tryst with Chairman Mao.
OBAMA = One Big Ass Mistake, America!
Obama's Comm Director
October 15, 2009 - 20:12 ET by katainkentsubscribes to marxist philosophies? Color me shocked.
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Rahmunism
October 15, 2009 - 20:36 ET by srqvetThe trolls continue to entertain. Twisted minds rooted in bad science, wrong-headed political philosophy, and emotionalism. Fun to watch them try to bait us.
We may be suffering through Rahmunism right now, but not for long. This great country will NOT fall to the commies, despite the wet dreams of the current administration and their loyal minions.
Beck leaves himself wide open...
October 15, 2009 - 21:18 ET by m4ster chiefHis quote: "...That would be like me saying to you, ‘Oh, you know who my favorite political philosopher is? Adolf Hitler. Have you read Mein Kampf?' It is insanity!"
Tomorrow's Olbermann show leads with:
"BECK SAYS HIS FAVORITE PHILOSOPHER IS...HITLER!"
Quote: "'...you know who my favorite political philosopher is? Adolf Hitler. Have you read Mein Kampf?...'"
Olbermann would do something like this, make no mistake.
So who would
October 15, 2009 - 21:24 ET by MightyMouthSo who would be Olbermann's "Worlds Worst"?
Beck or Hitler?
"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
I gotta ask
October 15, 2009 - 22:58 ET by RESTLESS 1Edited in respect to Candance's wishes.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
The left demonizes Hitler
October 15, 2009 - 22:20 ET by MikeBThe left demonizes Hitler because their Uncle Jo and his propaganda department put forth that Hitler and the Nazi Party was extreme right wing. Nazi is a contraction for National Socialist; in other words Nazis are leftists also. If the majority of Americans ever become conversant in history, then the Democrats and the left will be in love with Hitler. As it is, Ear Leader and the Democrat leadership are certainly following many of the policies of the Nazi party. Hitler's main problem with Marxism is that Marx was a Jew.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Beck's Magnificent Obsession
October 16, 2009 - 00:37 ET by AbraxosGetting back to Jeff Poor's article... GB has singlehandedly (with his staff) choked and slowed the course of Obama's torrent of socializzm. Where would we be today without the revelations he's presented? The millon+ person march he inspired in DC, the town hall meetings of angry, outspoken anti-ObamaCare seniors. His outing of one czar and staffer after another.
On his radio show on Tuesday, he said there's stuff he's working on for next year that will make this year's revelations pale by comparison. I wonder if he is referring to this:
http://www.canadafre...
Beck made a particularly jarring point on his show today that really struck a chord with me. After showing us books from his office, he said (paraphrased), is there anyone, anyone in the White House who reads or admires George Washington, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, or any of the Founding Fathers? No! They love Mao, Che, Castro, and Chavez.
The only American patriots in today's White House are the portraits on the walls.
Where to begin with the
October 16, 2009 - 01:49 ET by stratmanWhere to begin with the vileness of this stupid, arrogant. power-coveting woman. I'll pass on the snake-tongue comments and concentrate on what we might see if this Mao-lover has her wishes come true.
There is little to like about Mao. One can intellectualize on his thoughts and actions but the results of those thoughts and actions are so anti-Liberal it is mindboggling how any American could entertain affection or support for this murderous madman.
1) Hundred Flowers Campaign
Mao decides to flush out enemies and dissidents by announcing people now free to voice their concerns/criticisms. Teachers, business owners, scientists, philosophers, and generally anyone wearing glasses (they must be smart, right?) were killed. So much for the group of people that was needed to guide China out of agrarian hell. Opps.
2) The Great Leap Forward
Place everyone in Communes to better manage their every waking moment. Tear apart generations of families, the land they came from, and the centuries-old ways in order to solidify dependency of and control over the Masses by the State. Children are to be raised by the State.
These Communes were either given enough food and tools to be productive or weren't based on local or higher-up Party Leader's whims. Also, abilities of workers were not consistently matched to tasks and led to poor production. Many people suffered and died over multiple and moronic inefficiencies created. Opps.
3) The Great Sparrow Campaign
Part of the Four Pest campaign against rats, flies, mosquitoes and sparrows. Mao decreed the sparrows ate the crops/grain so they must die. Everyone must run around banging pots and pans to scare and eventually kill all sparrows. Bad luck for Mao, and China, that the sparrows actually ate predators of crops, grain and man. A locust plague ensued and caused great famine. People actually traded their children with other families so that the meal they next ate was not of their own kin. Resultant deaths to the tune of 30 million potentially. Opps.
4) Everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY, Make Steel!
Mao's next genius move was for everyone every day be involved in making steel. Nothing spells high-grade steel like a million mud and straw backyard dung furnaces barely heating questionable iron ore. The only thing most of these peasant slaves smelt were themselves after they finished the days worthless Mao-decreed duties and returned to whatever is was they did. Also, anything metal deemed by Party Leaders was confiscated from the people, including machinery needed to perform work, including farming. Not only was the "steel" of such worthlessness, but the people lost valuable time in more productive activities and suffered from hunger and death more. Opps.
5) The Cultural Revolution
Mao diggs up an oldie but a goodie from his earlier playbook - Kill the dissidents... again but with a Hitler Youth twist. This time, Mao went after the "liberal bourgeois" who wanted some freedom and a little Capitalism. Nope. Not gonna happen. Mao enlisted the youth, who formed Red Guards units, and proceeded to wreak their sadistic, immature, Lord Of The Flies mentality on the "grups" (Star Trek reference for 'grown-ups'.) with education, businesses, progressive thinking, etc. Humiliation, torture and death for more Chinese, all very public per usual. Opps.
Well, that's enough for now of Mao's wonderful contributions to the planet. Yes, Ms. Dunn, so much to admire. So much you can use in your work in service to your (?) country.
Maybe the serpentine tongue tic is representative of your character and ideology afterall. Your 'hero' and your adoration of this killer disgusts me. Your admiration for Mao, I suspect, arises from his ability to coalesce and keep power. Mao provides a blueprint for your power conquest. I guess Hitler's Mein Kamph wasn't available in the library that day you decided to take over the world so you settled on Mao's Little Red Book instead. Nice choice.
Good post
October 16, 2009 - 09:07 ET by UnsaneI forgot about the "Hundred Flowers Campaign"! I need to re-read about that...
I thought the whole idea of every town, village and hamlet having their own little foundry was done under the "Great Leap Forward". No?
And the whole deal with the sparrows should be required reading for the radical environmentalist Leftists. Good stuff in that post, on the whole. I bet Sterling conveniently ignores this.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Unsane: Thank you. I
October 16, 2009 - 11:10 ET by stratmanUnsane:
Thank you. I have been enjoying your posts for some time. Your recall and contextual use of history in numerous posts is fantastic. I get the impression you rely a hellava lot less on the internet and more on your retained knowledge than I do.
You're correct that backyard blastfurnace mania was part of the Great Leap Forward. I chose to enumerate individual projects/events to highlight their folly and misery, albeit in roughly chronological order overall, to more sharply demarcate this Dunn woman as part foolish, dreamy ideologue, part power-seeker, and part potential danger to our democratic republic.
BTW, any parallel between Mao's sparrow fiasco and the abolition of DDT from Africa? Millions dead but the all important intention was "pure". Any Great Leap Forward comparisons in Obama's first nine months as president? His civillian corp expansion plans seem a Cultural Revolution in waiting, n'est–ce pas?
Great Post Stratman
October 16, 2009 - 10:12 ET by AbraxosWell worth saving as a concise reference to bestow upon those I encounter along the way with starry eyes for the wonders of utopian revolution. When they wake up in a gulag, it's like Goldie Hawn in Private Benjamin, "This isn't the army I signed up for."
outstanding post strat
October 16, 2009 - 11:06 ET by katainkentthanks for taking the time to illustrate Ms Dunn's idiocy.
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Abraxos and
October 16, 2009 - 11:36 ET by stratmanAbraxos and Katainkent:
Thank you for the kind words.
White House Communications Director Anita Dunn really rubbed me the wrong way. Once I reach critical mass I need to channel that energy towards something, in this case a very brief review of history that partially exposes the rotten carcass in the closet of these Leftists.
The bigger problem is that Dunn is not the only White House high roller who genuflects for murderous Communists.
You forgot one thing...
October 16, 2009 - 15:20 ET by stage9Today Christians are still being murdered for simply desiring to hold church meetings outside of the government sanctioned state churches (churches that are monitored by authorities).
Everyday believers are dragged from their homes, imprisoned, tortured and some murdered for simply meeting privately in a home to worship God or for distributing Bibles.
Anyone who can justify and sanitize Mao's murderous rampage is a sickening individual deserving nothing more than to be recipients of what Mao has poured out on his own people.
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will
be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for
pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner."
— Malcolm Muggeridge
Marge Schott
October 16, 2009 - 03:48 ET by imau2fanIf any lib has a creative rationalization of how this is any less vile than Marge Schott's remarks about Hitler, I'd love to hear it.
Gross toungue is right!
October 16, 2009 - 09:57 ET by KimnotaWorking and listening to Laura Ingraham. She keeps playing Anita Dunn's sound bite. It's making me sick because it puts that image in my head of Dunn with the girraffe toungue and her dry mouth. She is personally and physically disgusting!
Mao?
October 16, 2009 - 12:20 ET by LeondeuxWhere was Beck's outrage when Gingrich cited Mao?
in 1995?
October 16, 2009 - 12:29 ET by katainkentI think he was a radio DJ in baltimore or connecticut or something... look it up if you're truely that curious or maybe the MediaMatters article you read before coming here can shed some light on it.
→ Leon
October 16, 2009 - 12:36 ET by Cool Arrow"Eat my shorts" - Bart Simpson
ummmm....
October 16, 2009 - 15:13 ET by stage9...the difference IS Gingrich wasn't suggesting that Mao was one of his favorite philosophers.
Quoting someone because they said something profound is far different than adopting their philosophy on politics or using their ideas as a basis for your life.
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will
be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for
pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner."
— Malcolm Muggeridge
The Little Red Book
October 17, 2009 - 05:26 ET by UnsaneSome years ago now, I haggled on Tiananmen Square with some folks selling - SELLING! - copies of The Little Red Book. I will now open up my English/Mandarin copy and quote you the most famous line.
"Every Communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." It is found in Chapter 5, "War and Peace".
Does this make me a Maoist? No; I have these books for a reason. I like to understand why and how people think. Hence my having two copies of The Little Red Book.
G_______ citing Mao does not make him a Maoist either. Interestingly, G_______ was at one point a professor of history, and when you climb the academic ladder and become a professor of history, you will run into plenty of unsavory characters in history's pages.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
The Yes-But Crowd
October 16, 2009 - 13:50 ET by slickwillie2001The trolls that defend Mao here and in the media sound suspiciously like the 'Mussolinin made the trains run on time' crowd. Nothing that Mao did can compensate for the fifty million Chinese that he murdered, or those murdered in the Chinese regime since his death. Nothing.
weird...
October 16, 2009 - 14:09 ET by scarebear83So I had to see about that tongue flicking thing... lol and ya know, just watching it I noticed myself licking my lips a time or two. Attack of the lizard people! I knew it!!! I knew Obama had lizards working for him!
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Shazbot!
You wingnuts think everyone
October 16, 2009 - 14:17 ET by humanzeeYou wingnuts think everyone is a commie!!! You guys are nuts, the Democrats are all american. They all believe in democracy!
LOL!
Straight for the horses mouth! A SELF DESCRIBED COMMIE!!! MAO! Did I hear the correct?
To all those who said the right was full of whackos! OBAMA's loons prove everything Beck says is TRUE!
Liberals have just gone from being...
October 16, 2009 - 15:06 ET by stage9...unstable or maybe a little insane...to being a clear and present danger to the United States of America and the Constitution.
Every time one of these traitors opens their mouths they reveal their evil intenet for our nation.
If the people they admire and associate with are an indication our nation is bound for an oppressive future.
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will
be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for
pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner."
— Malcolm Muggeridge
Under then Communist Romania...
October 16, 2009 - 15:43 ET by stage9"Tortured for Christ" author and Voice of the Martyrs founder Richard Wurmbrand after enduring 14 years of torture under Communism recounts :
"It was strictly forbidden to preach to other prisoners, as it is in captive nations today. It was understood that whoever was caught doing this received a severe beating. A number of us decided to pay the price for the privilege of preaching, so we accepted their terms. It was a deal: we preached and they beat us. We were happy preaching; they were happy beating us—so everyone was happy."
And THIS is what Ms Dunn finds so appealing? Ms Dunn doesn't need to be holding public office; she should be in an asylum.
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will
be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for
pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner."
— Malcolm Muggeridge
Dunn
October 16, 2009 - 15:48 ET by Dan LaHoodI haven't heard any reporting on the Mother Teresa side of the story, drowned out by Mao. Odd to think of MT as a Poltical Philosopher. She must of thought that invoking Mother T would give her cover on the Mao stuff. Very strange attempt at moral equivalence .
Anyone who has ever heard Santayana's famous quote about History repeating itself is condemned to repeat it.
I thought pretty much the
October 16, 2009 - 16:22 ET by Radical1979I thought pretty much the same thing. Poor Mother Teresa, her legacy was surely meant to be one of loving your fellow man and life, not the promotion of any political agenda, and certainly not that of a murderer.
gross vulgar grotesque bazarr communications of washington DC!
October 16, 2009 - 16:17 ET by frank l kinneyfrankkinney quote mao tes tung! COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR ANITA BUNNS? republiCON vs DEMOcraps? stage show of gross misconduct in public office! conservatives vs liberal? soap opera of sports and liberal arts talk? togeather these parties brought U.S. to where we are live NOW! NAFTA hello NAFTA? YES THE WORLD TRADE OFF of USA? yes the social culture change of AMERICA results we lose gain nothing from it! change soap opera of disgusting reality of news of republiCONS vs demoCRAPS? conservatives vs liberals? dig it! talk talk talk about BS ugly BS! MEAN TIME BACK ON THE FARM" we lose more and more of our freedoms daily? circle jerk of BS nothing talk? resolve conclusion change only the loosing of more of our freedoms? UTAH, two billion spent on new spy agency facitity! representatives R.- hatch bennett? IRAQ WAR! the republiCON war demoCRAPS against this war but vote to fund it time and time again? nafta republiCON adventure demoCRAPS all voted against it!!! there preident clinton signed it into law? WACO TEXAS! bush governor clinton president? sandy berger selling our secrets to ISRAEL? ISRAEL SELLING THEM IN TURN TO CHINA? ISRAEL response to this charge we needed the money? technology secrets for which china paid pennies for and saved billions in research cost? conclusion fox sports fans? both parties MEDIA putting the screws on U.S.???? never forget where we are today both parties brought U.S. here? CHANGE! independent new jersey candidate christopher daggett for governor!!! go between the lines with a independent view when looking and listing to both BS crap parties which are BOTH taking U.S all for a ride a path to darkness!!!! yes them republiCONS the trained george bush seals jumping up and down at everything he said? obama meeting with george bush senior in texas wow now? obama getting advice from good old george bush senior? yes liberal conservative demoCRAPS vs republiCONS? bill o'reilly makes 10 million a year? glenn young beck born in 1964? bevis hannity? rush limberger? keith the brain olbermann? chris spitball matthew's? larry hemorrhoid king? mr. excitement wolf blisster? bill somebody hit me with ugly stick maher? jon let me put you to sleep stewart? david buthead letterman? anderson booper cooper? just look at all that OPRAH harpo marx ammunition ABC foundations working full time against U.S.? called propaganda? INDEPENDENT between the lines!!! peace AMEN. PS= (stick to LOU like clue!)