MSNBC's Schultz: 'I Believe Jesus Would Vote Yes for a Public Option'

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What would Jesus do? Well, Ed Schultz thinks he knows - that is on health care reform at least.

Schultz, on his Sept. 2 MSNBC program, "The ED Show" told viewers he believed Jesus would vote for a government public option. That, he said, was to the dismay of some on religious right, or what he used the pejorative "Bible thumpers" to describe.

"Now, I have been referring to the health care reform deal as the real moral issue of our time," Schultz said. "I believe Jesus would vote yes for a public option, but some Bible thumpers don't see me eye to eye on this one."

Schultz later elaborated on his statement, likening "fixing health care" to a moral obligation.

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"Fixing health care in this country is a moral obligation," Schultz said. "There isn't any way around it, at least that's how I see it and I think the public option to make health care affordable and accessible is a key, fulfilling moral obligation in this country. But some religious leaders don't agree with me on that."

Schultz lamented that some religious leaders had been campaigning against the Democratic-controlled Congress and White House's idea for so-called health care reform. He cited a letter from church leaders in Kansas that were concerned with the government's involvement in medicine.

"Take for example Catholic leaders in Kansas who teamed up to put out this letter about health care reform with this statement: ‘The teaching of the universal church has never been to suggest a government socialization of medical services. Rather the church has asserted the rights of every individual to have access to those things most necessary for sustaining and caring for human life while at the same time insisting on the personal responsibility of each individual to care properly for his or her own health,'" Schultz read.

He then cited the president, saying it was a "moral obligation" and asked his guest, Tony Perkins, president of Family Research Council, what his position was. Perkins said it was indeed a moral obligation, but not a government obligation.

"Well at first, let me say I do believe we have some problems in our health care system in America today," Perkins said. "And I would agree with you that we do have a moral obligation to care for our neighbors. This is where we disagree. The issue is the selective lifting of scriptures of the teachings of Jesus, like from Matthew Chapter 25 that Al Gore used over the weekend that are actually teachings to the church and to fellow Christian followers of Jesus to care for others. And I'm thankful that that has historically been the view because it was churches and religious people who established the hospitals in this country. And we do have an obligation to care for the poor. But it's not the government's obligation."

Schultz said the people were the government, so the obligation of the government was inclusive, according to Perkins' standard. However, Perkins pointed out for the MSNBC host that the politically left-of-center seem to be willing cite scripture when expedient, but tend to get worked up when those on the right do the same thing, which he referred to as a double standard and even questioned if those on the left understood what they were citing.

"There's this double standard," Perkins said. "When the conservative uses scripture, the media goes into convulsions saying they're trying to create a theocracy. When the liberals use scripture, they just report it I guess because they know they don't mean it."


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Hey Ed. Wouldn't Jesus just heal the sick?

Free of charge? 

Don't Tax Me, Bro.

LOL - I could actually think

LOL - I could actually think that's what Jesus would say if the disciples asked Him about this issue.  And, no, no sarc.

Those who had faith were

Those who had faith were healed and those who did not by inference were not.

No, Jesus Wouldn't

I was reading the New Testament last night, the part where a rich young noble asks Jesus what he needs to do to please God. Jesus tells him he needs to give away all of his wealth to the poor and follow him.

Notice, Jesus didn't say "Give ME all of your wealth so I can give to the poor." Nor did Jesus say, "Give all of your wealth to the government so they can give it to the poor." 

After all ..

Big Ed's right!!  Remember, Jesus was a "Community Organizer".  

Hasn't Schultz been a big

Hasn't Schultz been a big basher of religious people? Why is he preaching now?

"DumbAssity of Dope"

Big Ed is just...big.

Jesus was not a "Community Organizer". He was/is a Messenger. And no, I do not raise the messenger, Glen Beck, to any status other than a common person with keen vision of our political surroundings.

 

Healthcare...Food...Education...Housing... - What sprouted as free for some is maturing into a free-for-all.

Yes, Kengie, He was indeed

Yes, Kengie, He was indeed a Community Organizer. 

And He was against a corrupt, dehumanizing, idolistic, and humanistic government that ruled over His people with an iron fist.

Caesar, Genghis Khan and Charlemagne all had empires that ruled by fear.  Jesus has a Kingdom ruled by love.  And to this day, millions worship and adore Him.

 

 

www.pelicanmarsh68.blogspot.com

Then we should thank...

..our Community Organizer, our Presedent, who is against a corrupt, dehumanizing, idolistic, and humanistic government. Finally someone here that has foresight. 

 

Kengie

Are you basing your description of Obama on what he says, or what he does?   Just wondering because it doesn't look like what he says and what he does line up very well.

 

"I support the President but not his policies" - Blonde

Funny.  Yet how could

Funny.  Yet how could Obama be against himself and his own government?  Jesus said a house divided against itself cannot stand.  What government do we have today, kengie?  Ah, yes, Obama's government.  Surely not the government of Jesus.  Try again.

-Eric

(and please learn to spell.  your poor grammar is offending my home-schooled intellect.)

Don't think I've read a more ridiculous statement. Ever.

Obama waltzed into office courtesy of a cult of personality.

Our new dictator-in-chief is centralizing the economy and government of the United States on an unprecedented scale, so that this country is now one of the most Socialist on the planet.

His megalomania is such that he insists he's one of "God's partners" in "matters of life and death," never mind what God has to say on the subject. 

And he is launching an effort next week to brainwash children.

But you think people should thank him?

For what?

--Mike 

www.thebrattonreport...

so kengie

You are in favor of setting government policy according to religion? Good to know.

 

Big Ed's right!! 

Big Ed's right!!  Remember, Jesus was a "Community Organizer".

And He specifically organized the Christian community exclusive of all others.  His mission was very specific and involved no government remember "Give unto Cesar what is Cesar's"

I guess...

...liberals are now able to talk to GOD and tell us what he wants. I thought that type of behavior was supposed to be conservative lunacy? It is obvious Ed Schultz doesn't know the Bible any better than he actually grasps reality....in other words, he is clueless.

Gospel according to Ed

I believe in the separation of church and idiots.

whatever happened to the separation of church and state lol

This guy says "Bible thumpers" and he don't see eye to eye?  Someone should tell the mental midget he doesn't see eye to eye with Jesus either!   Isn't it peculiar that they conveniently bring in the Bible and Jesus whenever they think it puts their point across....any other time.....don't dare bring it up!   They will like it where they are going.......its really WARM there LOL

I think the public option

I think the public option to make health care affordable and accessible is a key, fulfilling moral obligation in this country.

Affordable to whom?

Jesus' admonitions were always addressed to individuals, not governments. He never told His disciples to petition the Governor to establish programs for the poor.

The Good Samaritan took care of the beaten man himself; he was not a representative of a government program. 

 

Amen!

Amen!

Surely you will quote me

Surely you will quote me this proverb: physician, heal thyself.

The fact is, Mr. Ed, that Jesus would be for a system that provides the best care for the most people at the best price - which ain't obamacare.

BTW- Since when do you leftards give a crap what Jesus would do? But since you apparently do, try reading his book, you will find it's pro-life, it's for a low 10% flat tax rate, it believes employers also have rights (the parable of the laborers in the vineyard), it implies that marriage is between a man and a woman, and a whole host of other things objectionable to leftists - like sin and judgment and the need for repentance and forgiveness...

HAND (have a nice day)

Rights and government

Every human being needs food, water, healthcare, etc. Those aren't rights that government is required to provide. Those are motives to go out and get a job.

Like the evil spirit said....

Whenever I hear stuff like this it always reminds me of Acts 19 13:15, " But certain from the strolling Jews, exorcists, undertook to name the name of the Lord Jesus over those having evil spirits, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preaches. And there were seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, doing this. But answering the evil spirit said, I know Jesus, and I comprehend Paul, but who are you?"

"Fight the good fight every moment
It's your only way"  Triumph

Ed, who is Jesus?

Ed, before you tell us what you think He would do, tell us who He is. If he is not who He said He was, God on this earth and all others fall short (islam), then why are you mentioning His name?

Jesus

Jesus is the one viewer that Ed Shultz claims that he has. He can't tell you the name of any other viewer.  By the way Ed, God doesn't want the health care plan as is!

Ahem. Jesus of Nazareth,

Ahem.

Jesus of Nazareth, Immanuel, the Christ, and most pertinently, the Great Physician, would not have voted for nationalized health care.  He would never wait for someone else to pay for the care of the sick, infirm, lame, blind, deaf, dumb, or otherwise afflicted people.

He would have simply healed them himself, and moved on.

See that's the thing that Sgt Schultz doesn't get.  Jesus was a man of individual action.  "For the Son of Man (one individual) is come to seek and to save that which was lost."

HE came.  He didn't send someone else, he didn't centralize power in himself...HE came to serve others.  Himself.  In case you were wondering, that's called leadership.

Church Healthcare

Jesus would rally the Church to like it is written in Acts.

But while we are on the subject of WWJD, let's talk about that part where abortions are neither mentioned/not mentioned.

You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?

mentioning and not mentioning

Yes - JC would rally members of the Church to freely give all that they have to others in need.  That does not imply He would favor empowering the gubm'nt to confiscate what people have and redistribute it according to need.

We are on the same

We are on the same page.

You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?

I think that Jesus would

I think that Jesus would rather ask to speak before the Congress to tell them something like this:

From the Gospel of Matthew

27   "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You are like
whitewashed tombs, which appear beautiful on the outside, but inside
are full of dead men's bones and every kind of filth.   28 Even so, on the outside you appear righteous, but inside you are filled with hypocrisy and evildoing. 

No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.

I love that!

I love that!

And the liberals claim it's

And the liberals claim it's the Republicans* who say that God is on their side... 

*Although I've never heard a GOP politician ever actually say that.

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Absolutely!  It's funny to

Absolutely!  It's funny to me that the liberals now wish to put morality and/or a moral spin on anything they want.  For myself, I never worry about health care or any such thing, as Jesus has all that covered in my life and in the life of my family.  (He's fantastic like that.)  The government can offer me nothing, and I mean nothing, that is better than what Jesus has done for me and what He is doing for me daily.  Such liberal arrogance.  It's mind-numbing, really.

-Eric

(this is in response to post by motherbelt above.  posted in the wrong spot!  stupid me.)

  I find it interesting

  I find it interesting that some of these people who have probably never even READ the Bible and who call those who do read it names (Bible-thumpers) seem to think they are experts on what Jesus would or would not do in a given situation. 

 

Liberal media = enemy territory

These “people” you refer to are enlightened (or at least they think they are = OALTTTA), well read (OALTTTA), and smart (OALTTTA).  With them Science trumps the Spirit, because their [God given] senses confirms what Science says, and they cannot sense the Spirit anyway.  Of course they could, and a few just might, get passed their self-willed spiritual blindness; in many ways it is all similar to people who are alcoholic, and the fortunate few who come out of it.

The liberal media exist for the spiritually vacant (similar to night clubs and bars for alcoholics).  Those [few] who recover – I cannot even think of any, except maybe Chuck Colson – generally drop out of sight at least as far as the networks are concerned, just as alcoholics drop their relationship with bars and night clubs.

As C. S. Lewis puts it “we are in enemy territory” and Satan holds all of the best/ most attractive [in the carnal sense] cards.  Without a doubt the liberal media have an important role in Satan’s plan.

- Relying upon the State Run Media for your information is like relying upon an embezzler for your portfolio management.

That's truly funny...

 Because I personally think Satan would vote Yes for Government slavery.

 

And I think Mr. Ed's Rear End would be in the company of his peers here...

It's The "Fed" Show

Corpulent unionism brought to the telly.

Everytime I see this guy's mug, it reminds me of the days I spent as a UAW member, listening to all the fat blowhards spout off about everything except how to keep the company competitive.

It's The "Fed" Show

Corpulent unionism brought to the telly.

Everytime I see this guy's mug, it reminds me of the days I spent as a UAW member, listening to all the fat blowhards spout off about everything except how to keep the company competitive.

So Jesus would vote yes for

So Jesus would vote yes for a bill that funds abortions and has death panels.

If I may paraphrase..."That's not the Jesus I know."

www.theholyrosary.org

"There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we can not resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary."  -Sister Lucia

Hey, Ed!  The Jesus whom

Hey, Ed!  The Jesus whom Christians follow is God, creator of all that was created.  Who's this "Jesus" you're talking about?

"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me

WWJD?

Ed is confusing Jesus with Judas. Remember when Mary Magdeline was washing Jesus' feet? She was pouring expensive perfume on HIS feet. Perfume that she bought and paid for with her own money. Judas walked in, and in typical liberal fashion, questioned her as to why she did not let him take that perfume, sell it and give some of the money to the poor.  

Jesus said "The poor will always be among you."

BTW....If you know HIM, talk about who he is, not who he was. 

“A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left.” - Ecclesiastes 10:2

Socialism

Jesus believed in private charity, and people giving to others of their own free will. Socialism is taking money from taxpayers at the point of a gun in order to give that money to someone else. It's nothing more than government-operated theft.

entitlement vs charity

Precisely, Slick.  Entitlement and charity are antithetical concepts, except to Machiavellian types.

WWJD

And I believe that Jesus would pull the plug on Schultz' comatose program, too.

a stupid, politically calculated hypothetical

  1. If we take Jesus to be the modernist-leftist "historical Jesus" (code word for "he was a great hippy teacher revolutionary"), then it matters not what he would've "voted" or thought on this issue, for the "historical Jesus" has been dead for 2000 years -- his bones are probably dust now.  The man, his brutal death and teachings are as meaningless as the cold, unfeeling universe. 

  2. However, if we take Jesus to be the Son of God and Creator of the Universe as consistently portrayed in the 27 books (documents) of the canonized New Testament, then sorry, but He did not advocate for government solutions for universal healthcare.

    • No, instead we find quotes like:

      • Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me'.  -- Matt. 19:21.  Note that He does not say "go, coerce others under penalty of law sell their possessions to confiscate their wealth and give it to the poor..." Instead, he commands that, if we wish to be perfect, we freely renounce our own wealth in favor of Himself.

      • While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table. When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. "Why this waste?" they asked. "This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor." Aware of this, Jesus said to them, "Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me.  -- Matt. 26:6-11.  Note that He sees right through them.  He then makes it clear that He favors lavish charity (love) bestowed upon Him, their "neighbor" and Lord, over vague and theoretical platitudes about "helping the poor."  The Commandment is to "Love your neighbor as yourself", not "Love your detached abstraction of 'the poor'"

    • Why is it so difficult to understand that in Christianity, the individual reigns supreme over the State (Sound familiar? Consider the founding documents of the USA.), since the individual person is considered the creation of the Living God, whereas the State is the temporary creation of man.

Idiot leftists

I'm Catholic and I wouldn't vote for any socialized medicine, period.  As far as Jesus is concerned, neither would he.  Jesus never forced anyone to do anything against their will.  Maybe Ed ought to read the Bible before he spews this crap.  According to Ed and the leftists saying it is a MORAL obligation, I guess they are better than Jesus and God on the morality issue(sarcasm!).  You can't force morality on anyone idiots.  It is wrong and immoral to do so.  God and Jesus had the power to do this if they wanted and they chose FREEWILL (a.k.a. FREEDOM OF CHOICE).

I believe in choice and charity.  Mandating is nothing more than slavery and you would think a black guy in office would understand this better than anyone, at least you would think so.

Hey Ed Jesus would

Hey Ed Jesus would definatley vote AGAINST abortion and euthansia. 

Three things you missed, Ed.

1)  Jesus would never "vote yes for a public option," because Jesus, being God, doesn't have to vote on anything.  He is to be followed, not negotiated with.

2)  Those of us who are Christians, i.e. "Bible thumpers," don't see eye-to-eye with you on much of anything.  For example, we believe Christ is Lord; along with Obama the dictator, you believe Him to be merely an occasionally-useful prop.

3)  If you believe Jesus' words hold so much sway, here are some others you should consider: "Marvel not that I say unto thee, Ye must be born again."  No option there, Ed--that is the ultimate "moral imperative."  If you don't follow those words, yet reference others of His, you are engaging in a textbook example of hypocrisy.

--Mike 

www.thebrattonreport...

Oh No...not again

For crying out loud Ed.., stand on your head for a while and get some blood flowing into that oxygen starved grey mass between your ears.  You now can speculate what Jesus would do?  No more vitamins for you.

Jesus didn't...

 harlot His ministry by getting involved in politics. The people at one point wanted to make Him king! Jesus didn't come to be a king, but a servant.

Besides, if I remember correctly Jesus healed the sick and raised the dead. He WAS the public option!

...and still is!

 

"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will
be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for
pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner."
— Malcolm Muggeridge

Jim Jones - Pass the cool aid

We were warned there would be false prophets.

First thing that comes to my mind when a cool aid drinker, channels the word of God, without regard to what the bible says  - is the socialist theocracy of Jonestown.

http://www.at-the-wa...

I don't think Jesus

would even want to be associated with him let alone do a guest spot on his show.  He may have associated with sinners but Ed, your pushing the envelope!