Has the federal government exceeded, or is it on the verge of exceeding its constitutional authority with the recent series of events connected to rescuing an ailing banking system?
Although Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., was ridiculed for raising that question in a congressional hearing on March 24, conservative talk show host, constitutional lawyer and legal commentator Mark Levin, told Fox News Channel's "Your World with Neil Cavuto" on March 24 that government was indeed exceeding the constitution. According to Levin, there is nothing in the Constitution that would allow the Obama administration to expand the government's ability to seize non-banking financial institutions as Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has proposed.
"It's unbelievable," Levin said. "There is no constitutional authority for this. I thought the American people like capitalism. I mean look, we luxuriated in this society as a result of the market system."
Levin, former chief of staff for Attorney General Edwin Meese currently has the bestselling book on Amazon.com, "Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto." He remarked the public was expected to put their trust in a Treasury head that has made some questionable decisions about his own personal finances.
"Now we have a guy that couldn't remember to pay his social security taxes, couldn't remember to pay his Medicare taxes, even though he was subsidized to pay them, told to pay them," Levin said. "He's smarter than everybody else in all these industries, and now we have another czar."
The appointing of czars, he said, has been a trend according to that doesn't comply with the powers set forth in the founding document,
"We have an administration full of czars, full of people who don't comply with the constitution. The question today is, ‘What is your authority, Mr. Secretary, to do this?'" Levin said. "I would like to know what's the president's authority to do this?"
The Obama administration and its proponents say that a lack of government involvement in financial sector is what caused the current woes of the economy, specifically the banking system. Levin insisted it was just the opposite - that the banking system was never a "free market" and that's how it got to this point.
"The problem is, we didn't have a free market in the banking system," he explained. "The banking system is the most regulated system next to the automobile industry. So there is no free market in the banking system. It is heavily regulated. We know about all these toxic loans thanks to Uncle Sam - pushing them as fast as they could, bundling them, encouraging the free market to respond with all kinds of packages and then they pretend it's something wrong with the free market."
Levin labeled advocates of the Obama agenda as "statist," explaining that it is part of their desire to control every aspect of certain segments of the U.S. economy.
"That's the way the statist operates and that's what I explain here," Levin said. "There are no limits on our government today. They've close to nationalize the automobile industry. Frankly, they basically nationalized the steel industry. They control the labor unions in giving them the authority that they give them. They control the products that are produced. They control what comes out of the chimney. They control what goes into the chimney. Now they want to control executive pay and they're not going to limit it to bailed out companies."
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No Constitution....
March 25, 2009 - 20:41 ET by ScrapironThe constitution doesn't apply to democrats, that is until they come face to face with a judge. As the leader of Germany stated, The last time we did this crap a little man with a mustache took over. I think she see's a dangerous Communist/Nazi/Islamic idiot running/ruining America.
Old, Retired and glad of it.
source
March 26, 2009 - 15:55 ET by MindwerkzI didnt catch where the hitler comment was made, happen to have a source with it in. I would love to have that on hand for when people tell me in mad for claiming obama is a totalitarian communist.
Constitution?
March 26, 2009 - 17:03 ET by misterbee241I love saying this: Constitution? We ain't got no Constitution. We don't need no Constitution. I don't have to show you any stinking Constitution.
With apologies to Gold Hat. http://www.imdb.com/...
"I dont need to read a newspaper to know the world's been shaved by a drunken barber."
Walter Brennan, The Colonel, Meet John Doe, 1941
I was thinking
March 26, 2009 - 18:45 ET by general companyA little pet peeve of mine is being called an Independent,or even a Libertarian. I do not agree with many Independents on a variety of subjects, so it bothers me sometimes to be group together with them. I was thinking of checking to see if I can write in a Party, anyone know about this?
Anyway, If I am able, I am going to call myself a Constitution, as in the Party of Constitution's, using the plural, and the singular only.
This party mission will be to uphold and defend the Constitution of the USA. Their will Not be any Dem Constitution's or Repub Constitutions,,,,only Constitutional Dems or Repubs. You cannot use that term if you do not fight to uphold and defend it. Requiring your Party leaders to uphold the Constitution of the USA will make what is happening today less likely, maybe impossible.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
One World Order
March 25, 2009 - 20:42 ET by Sergeant ROCKI heard Congresswoman Bachman(?) on Hannity's radio show today and she mentioned that Geithner was open to China's idea of a single 'global currency'.
Hooray! The Anti-Christ has arrived and his name is Obama.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
→ Rock
March 25, 2009 - 20:49 ET by Cool ArrowEarlier today I linked Bachman's questions to Geithner and Bernanke during yesterday's subcommittee hearings. It's a youtube clip in which she extracts an emphatic renunciation from both of them concerning a global currency.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Bachman's comments
March 25, 2009 - 21:02 ET by Sergeant ROCKI may have it backwards, but she said on Hannity's show that in one hearing, the first of two I believe, they renounced such an idea, but then in another hearing Geithner said he was 'open' to the idea.
In any case, Geithner, being the habitual liar that he is, I believe that the Obamanation is indeed interested in such an idea as Bachman suggested.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
→ You're right Rock
March 25, 2009 - 21:57 ET by Cool ArrowToday in a stunning about face, Geithner said he was open to the idea. Sent the markets into a tailspin for awhile until he got steered back on course.
It was one of those Stephanopolis "your Christian faith" moments.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Geithner is still a liar
March 25, 2009 - 22:04 ET by Sergeant ROCKAnd like all liars with a 'D' by his name, he did it out of political expediency. Obama does want to commit to a global currency.
This is not the last you'll hear about this. This was just a trial balloon.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
→ Right on Rock
March 25, 2009 - 22:10 ET by Cool ArrowI've already read the final chapter to this story.
Geithner is a snake in the grass.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Is it too un-Christian of
March 25, 2009 - 22:43 ET by Lord ElicaniIs it too un-Christian of me to say 'Burn, Baby burn!'
I used to trust the media
To tell me the truth, tell us the truth
But now I've seen the payoffs
Everywhere I look
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?
- Queensrÿche, "Revolution Calling"
Actually...
March 26, 2009 - 08:13 ET by Mike Bratton...since God "is not willing that any should perish," then neither should we be.
It is stunning, however, to see these supposed "elites" behaving in ways that, frankly, would have seen them on the British side of the American Revolution.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
Bachmann was great
March 25, 2009 - 21:04 ET by general companyI dont know much about her, but I will be keeping an ear and eye out for her in the future.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I'm no major fan of Levin, I can take him or leave him,
March 25, 2009 - 20:49 ET by thebutlerdiditbut one thing about him, he knows his stuff. The man is super sharp, and I agree with him 100% on this being a position held by those who consider themselves "statist." Why aren't more people raising cain about this? It doesn't seem to be that difficult subject to grasp, so why no more outrage than this? Silence is complicity.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
As Levin said tonight on his radio show, we are now at war.
March 25, 2009 - 20:46 ET by CKA in Red State USAStatists and Marxists like Obama versus the rest of us who actually believe in freedom, individual and corporate. Who believe what the Founding Fathers did in creating America. Who believe in free-market capitalism.
The statists/Marxists have turned the law and their power in Congress against Americans, including even those who voted for Obama.
Given the advocacy/adversary media's traitorous actions and given the unrestrained power-lust-driven actions of the Demockacrats/Dementocrats, who can argue with Levin?
BTW: That war is not just societal, it's economic, it's cultural, it's religious--it's full-out against our entire history.
But as Levin said, and something with which I agree, millions will arise against these statists/Marxists.
Even Michele Bachmann spoke of revolution today while speaking by telephone to Sean Hannity on his radio show this afternoon.
The statists/Marxists have initiated the Second American Revolution.
Whether it's peaceful or not remains to be seen.
But the backlash has begun. And it will not cease.
Revolution or secession?
March 25, 2009 - 20:56 ET by Sergeant ROCKHannity seems to believe that, lets say, a significant numberof people that voted for Obama were somehow duped and are only now realizing their error. However, I think that while there may be some coming to this realization, I'm betting that the majority of them are content with their choice and the potential benefits, real or imagined, of being a ward of the State.
So, contrary to his argument that we can somehow reason with these loons about the impending danger to the Republic, I think that a Revolution or secession en masse are the only realistic options left.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
SR, Beck was suggesting on his
March 25, 2009 - 21:13 ET by general companyRadio show a couple of weeks ago, that we should give the left half of the Country. Any way they want to split it they can pick any 25 states they want, because we would reown it in no time. Simply because of their apathy they wont govern or produce anything worth while. Their green ideas will leave them at our mercy. The segment was hilarious.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Beck
March 25, 2009 - 21:20 ET by Sergeant ROCKI don't know that I'd give 'em half..lol. But his point is sound. They would never agree to that anyway. We would have to build a fence to keep liberals fleeing onto our side. Liberals would never tolerate freedom being practiced that they had no control over.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Perfect, and how true
March 25, 2009 - 22:02 ET by general companyLiberals would never tolerate freedom being practiced that they had no control over.
But it still would'nt stop them from calling it Freedom
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
3...2...1...BECK...
March 25, 2009 - 23:46 ET by danybhoyI heard when Beck did that segment, & what he said is true. Their green way of life would leave them starving in an unproductive failed state. But that is only part of the problem in real life...
...Mark Levin has talked about what actually happens. People who live in states like California & New York ruin them with the liberal/progressive policies of the idiot liberal/progressive politicians that they elect. Then they move to states like Washington, Oregon, & Colorado in the west. Or in the east, Vermont, New Hampshire, & Conneticutt, then these liberals/progressives procede to ruin these states. Levin compaired them to locusts when they destroy & move on, then repeat. He is spot on.
I bought the audio versions of Levin's & Coulter's latest books. Plus I still have O'Reilly's to listen to. Me got's some catching up to do. I am looking forward to enjoying them all.
"The Fairness Doctrine = Jim Crow laws for Conservatives". Jim Quinn from "Quinn & Rose"
So you're saying that states
March 25, 2009 - 21:14 ET by balboaSo you're saying that states are going to start seceding.
Pay attention, Bal, else you might miss the boat:
March 25, 2009 - 21:18 ET by R D Helmhttp://townhall.com/...
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Ooo! Are they gonna have
March 25, 2009 - 21:42 ET by balboaOoo! Are they gonna have T-shirts, too?
My State Seceded and All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt
March 25, 2009 - 21:55 ET by Free StinkerYes, and they'll probably say: "My State Seceded and All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt"
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
"My State didn't secede and all I got was..
March 25, 2009 - 22:00 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. a lousy block of government cheese from Obama!"
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
→ That's good Rock
March 25, 2009 - 22:04 ET by Cool ArrowBecause all we got here in Texas was tortilla chips. I know we can get some primo jalapenos in New Mexico.
Get my drift? I love the smell of capitalism in the morning!
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Hey, I liked those tortilla
March 25, 2009 - 22:45 ET by Lord ElicaniHey, I liked those tortilla chips.
I used to trust the media
To tell me the truth, tell us the truth
But now I've seen the payoffs
Everywhere I look
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?
- Queensrÿche, "Revolution Calling"
The United States of Texas
March 26, 2009 - 09:59 ET by Evil_Skippy.......Has a nice ring to it.
Great minds think alike.....and fools seldom differ
Revolution.
March 25, 2009 - 21:32 ET by CKA in Red State USA"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenver they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."--Abraham Lincoln
More words of wisdom
March 25, 2009 - 21:48 ET by Sergeant ROCK"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism."
- George Washington
"It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." - Patrick Henry
"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
I'll stand as the witness to your words.
March 25, 2009 - 23:01 ET by dborschjr68Very well said, CKA.
======================
Brace yourself
For the backlash
Of your ignorance.
Constitution, schmonstitution. Does it even matter anymore?
March 25, 2009 - 21:15 ET by R D HelmHell, the left (with no small amount of help from the republicans) have now managed to turn our founding document into nothing more than butt wipe.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Maybe you think it's toile paper now, but...
March 25, 2009 - 21:16 ET by CKA in Red State USA. . .there are millions of us that will not stand by and let that happen.
Maybe the Demockacrats/Dementocrats, liberals and leftists, Obama included, may view the Constitution as you suggest?
Why not?
But they'll rue the day they did and mistreated it so.
CKA,
March 25, 2009 - 21:20 ET by R D HelmI think you may have missed my sarcasm.
My bad.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
No, I didn't. But I apologize for barking like I did. It's just
March 25, 2009 - 21:37 ET by CKA in Red State USA. . .that all this sticks very badly in my craw. Fired first without getting ready or taking aim. Truly, my apologies.
Your comment was good, though.
It's just that I do think, as you said, that they view that precious document simply as so much Charmin or the grade-Z stuff they used to have in the Army, with wood chips still in it.
CKA,
March 25, 2009 - 22:32 ET by R D HelmFret not, as we who are "plugged in" and truly love this country, and who also realize the perilous situation we as a nation now face, tend to have rather short fuses.
Trust me, as mine is .00001" long at this point. :-O
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
"Fret not, as we who are
March 25, 2009 - 23:05 ET by dborschjr68"Fret not, as we who are "plugged in" and truly love this country, and
who also realize the perilous situation we as a nation now face, tend
to have rather short fuses."
Dave, I wonder: What is going to be the spark that ignites them?
======================
Brace yourself
For the backlash
Of your ignorance.
So when the left thought
March 25, 2009 - 21:17 ET by balboaSo when the left thought Bush administration was exceeding its powers, that was just hooey. But when the right thinks it, they're right?
bal,
March 25, 2009 - 21:33 ET by R D HelmExactly in what way did Mr. Bush exceed his powers?
I cannot help but notice his lefty critics are still walking the streets, unmolested.
Bill Clinton sicked the IRS on many who criticized him. Did Mr. Bush do this?
No.
Candidate Obama went to court on more than one occasion in an effort to silence his critics, and he wasn't even POTUS yet.
Did Mr. Bush ever do this?
No.
Your point?
In fact, can you name even one American citizen that was arrested and/or prosecuted for their having spoken out against Mr. Bush during his presidency?
I didn't think so.
Get a grip, Bal. You aren't really that stupid.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Point? What point?
March 25, 2009 - 21:33 ET by Sergeant ROCKSurely you jest? He has nothing.. zip.. zilch.
Of course, when Bill Klinton uses the IRS against political adversaries, collects FBI files on the same, burns women and children alive, uses the Gestapo to retrieve kids to be sent to Cuba, etc., etc. that's cool.
What did Bush do? Oh, that's right.. he caused Global Warming, blew-up the levies in New Orleans, blew-up the Twin Towers, etc., etc.
Like Rush said about liberals.. 'it's not about if it's true or not, but the seriousness of the charges..'
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Dave... Is there any
March 25, 2009 - 22:04 ET by JerDave...
Is there any objective, credible evidence Bill Clinton ordered the IRS to go after his critics? [Aside from the musings of Bill O'Reilly and Sergeant Rock.]
Jer
→ Nahhh
March 25, 2009 - 22:07 ET by Cool ArrowAnd there's no credible evidence those FBI files weren't left behind from Bush I's administration.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool
March 25, 2009 - 22:10 ET by Sergeant ROCKBut wasn't there enough 'credible evidence' to impeach Bush for any number of reasons?... Oh wait.. nevermind!
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Jer,
March 25, 2009 - 22:26 ET by R D Helmhttp://archive.newsm...
http://findarticles....
http://www.worldnetd...
http://www.washingto...
http://www.cwfa.org/...
And this is the real kicker here:
http://www.alamo-gir...
And there were more, but I'm to lazy to look them up just now.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Lazy Conservatives
March 25, 2009 - 22:29 ET by Sergeant ROCKOne of the things I can't stand are lazy conservatives who won't do my research for me.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Sarge, don't let Jer fool you.
March 26, 2009 - 00:06 ET by R D HelmHe may be a liberal, but I have always sensed it is more of the "classical" variety than the "modern" variety.
There is a HUGE difference between the two, which is lost on many today.
Jer and I may disagree on much, but I have yet to see him post anything here at NB that even presumes to wish for the demise of our country. I cannot say the same for many I have encountered here over the last three years.
Besides, Jer usually usually asks very good questions. Sadly, many here don't bother to take the time to answer them without giving him a ration of sh*t in the process.
That is truly unfortunate.
Realize also that it wasn't just the democrats who have brought us to this point, as the republicans were just one step behind for the whole trip. At the end of the day, conservatives alone are not going to be able to save this country.
We are going to need help.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Help
March 26, 2009 - 04:59 ET by Sergeant ROCKWe are going to need help.
Yeah, that's what Bob Dole said too. I think you are being duped.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Dave... Granted, there are
March 25, 2009 - 23:35 ET by JerDave...
Granted, there are tons of allegations--shoveled largely by the usual anti-Clinton sources--but I'm more interested in the ounce of proof. [Although, it is noteworthy the hyper-litigious Larry Klayman of Judicial Watch claims the IRS abuses were continued by Bush!]
Look, you are well aware of what was going on in the 90's: A relentless Clinton-hating Republican congress was launching a new investigation every time he or Hillary sneezed. If there had been material, credible evidence of IRS abuse by Clinton, it would have been made a prominent element of the subsequent impeachment proceedings, and, frankly would have been far more likely to have produced a conviction than did the Lewinsky related charges.
Jer
P.S. I must admit, however, the swiftness in which you posted the evidence--as well as its volume--was impressive.
P.S.S. And just having noticed your gracious words above...thank you very much.
Liers
March 25, 2009 - 23:40 ET by general companyA relentless Clinton-hating Republican congress was launching a new investigation every time he or Hillary sneezed.
Tend to no longer recieve the benifit of the doubt.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Jer,
March 25, 2009 - 23:47 ET by R D HelmLOL-I don't know sh*t from shinola anymore, but, in my 44 years on this rock, I have yet to be audited even once.
I mean, I'm just sayin.'
And yes, I also realize Tricky Dick did the same thing. Shame on him, too.
I was just trying to make the case that, if Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney were actually snatching people off the street, as many have contended, there would be a lot of really famous people missing.
And some not so famous ones, too, such as not a few of my friends and family members.
Damn, I bet that audit letter will be coming any day now. :-O
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Unproven Allegations
March 26, 2009 - 07:17 ET by kilrod(" But the ultimate blame rests squarely on the shoulders of Koresh. He shamed his religion. He was a charismatic charlatan and psychopathic monster. He was a child rapist and a murderer, the destroyer of innocents.
Jer
Reverend Koresh: pedophile, murderer, child abuser, Apocalyptic prophet,
Because the government was wrongfully blamed instead of the murdering pedophile who incinerated innocent women and children.
Jer
Because a murdering pedophile who portrayed himself as Jesus Christ and stockpiled an arsenal of illegal weaponry ")
Koresh was never charged, tried, are convicted on any of your "unproven allegations" Jer, but i reckon you do understand how they get spread around.
(GRINS) kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
Koresh was never charged,
March 26, 2009 - 17:23 ET by JerKoresh was never charged, tried, are convicted on any of your "unproven allegations" Jer, but i reckon you do understand how they get spread around.
Yeah, Kilrod, they get "spread around" by the testimony and statements of witnesses and victims, and by the record of the most exhaustive independent investigation conducted regarding the Waco tragedy.
On the other hand, partisan propagandistic smears are disseminated by the likes of Coulter and Limbaugh.
Jer
Jer, yawn , I whacked you with 2 WACO links in 1999
March 26, 2009 - 17:56 ET by upcountrywaterThe Ann Coulter was a GREAT one, filled with FACTS!!
prove her wrong Jer
reno
Waco cover up
Alas, the Davidians were mere God-believers, and not a nest of
pederasts. Consequently, much as the Left loathes law enforcement, it
was forced to side with the government on this one. The fact that the
government lies incessantly about the raid on Waco must sweeten this
bitter pill.
Most recently, the FBI was caught lying about the
use of pyrotechnic tear gas canisters. For six years the agency has
sworn up and down that no incendiary devices were deployed on the day
the Branch Davidian compound burned. Whoops.
Koresh was not the demonic cult leader favored in media descriptions
of the group. Nor did he have psychopathic criminal tendencies.
Indeed,
the Branch Davidians have been around since before David Koresh was
even born, originating about 50 years ago as a spin-off from the
Seventh-Day Adventists.
HELLO Jer, put down the cool aid.
give me some links after 1999...You know NEWER stuff.
HAY Jer ,Even the socialists hate the cover ups
Attorney General Reno approved the attack plans and defended the
conduct of the FBI attackers in media interviews and appearances before
multiple congressional inquiries. An official Justice Department
investigation—now revealed to be a whitewash—claimed that the fire
which destroyed the Branch Davidian compound was an act of mass
suicide, ordered by Koresh.
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Uh-Oh ucw.... We've been
March 26, 2009 - 18:04 ET by bigtimerUh-Oh ucw....
We've been there done that with Jer before....not worth it....he doesn't want to see the light. ;-)
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt, I'll post this more than PT posts CO2 links.
March 26, 2009 - 18:20 ET by upcountrywaterJer just PARROTS the man! The government... kind of funny for the libs ,yea.
He has NO LINKS that have any facts, dated after 1999.
All these revelations came out on the tail end of the Clinton era.
To end all the digging into the facts of Waco.
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ucw... Oh I know...I was
March 26, 2009 - 18:29 ET by bigtimerucw...
Oh I know...I was in this with you both one night some time back now....it just seems no matter how many pages you feed him with facts...he still eats the pages.
Know what I mean...lol.
Good luck is all I can say...I mean that with all sincerity...I get very worked up, passionate about this subject myself...as you may know...I have in the past long ago here to-boot...sometimes I just feel like I was banging my head against the wall for all the good it did.
As a real quick aside here...thank you for the links nofate was looking for (I wanted them too)....I was looking on C-SPAN when I came back and saw yours...I had no luck at C-SPAN either...maybe they haven't shown it yet...don't know...how did you find those on Youtube...I looked there first? Just curious when you get the time what you did...so I can learn.
I'll check back later...thanks.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt... ucw's distortions,
March 26, 2009 - 19:44 ET by Jerbt...
ucw's distortions, misrepresentations, and misstatements were exposed and debunked over a month ago, and yet you still treat them as gold-plated truisms.
If you insist on doing so, how about standing up and defending ucw and/or yourself now, instead of tossing out your standard avoidance banalities such as "I don't want to get into a back and forth" and have "other things to do."
Jer
Hmmm...bt remains
March 26, 2009 - 21:06 ET by JerHmmm...bt remains conspicuous by her absence. Well, maybe she'll decide to "stand up for herself" after she completes her chores. But that would require more "hope" than I can muster and more "change" than can she.
Jer
bt, ; Jer Like I said over where the Bobby Jindal links are,
March 26, 2009 - 20:18 ET by upcountrywaterThe Youtube search engine has no mercy, If the search is off by ONE letter, forget it, you won't find it.
Thank You bigtimer for your blessings.
hay Jer, WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS, just your pro Clinton/Janet talking point banter, pryor to 1999
BTW try some new informaton post 1999...Like I said you ain't got any.
Here is what CS tear gas canisters do to wood structures.
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ucw...
March 26, 2009 - 20:27 ET by JerBTW try some new informaton post 1999...Like I said you ain't got any.
It now appears your persistent restatement of this flat-out falsehood is calculated and deliberate. And that's very disturbing.
Jer
For the children..
March 27, 2009 - 04:28 ET by Sergeant ROCKI have yet to see this moron show what crimes the women and children that were burned alive committed? What warranted such force when women and children were present?
This sh:tbag cheers the deaths of innocent women and children. Well, as long as the 'government' does it.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Sarge
March 27, 2009 - 15:18 ET by Noel SheppardSarge,
C'mon. Jer's one of our respected liberals here, and certainly doesn't cheer the death of innocent women and children. Furthermore, he needn't be addressed as a vulgarity. I think you're being way too harsh, and are out of line. ns
He has NO LINKS that have
March 26, 2009 - 20:08 ET by JerHe has NO LINKS that have any facts, dated after 1999.
The very fact that you can post such a grossly inaccurate statement is stupefying.
I linked the URL listed below for you on February 23. It is the definitive investigative report on Waco and was released November 8, 2000. Brace yourself...that's dated after 1999.
By contrast, you give me edited videos--which contradict nothing I have ever asserted--Ann Coulter's "objective" opinions, and the warped fables of a World Socialist website which posits that both the Republican and Democrat parties are corporate tools enslaving the masses.
By the way, The Children of Waco (2007)--[also note is dated after 1999]--has been aired at least a couple of times on the Discovery channel. Try to catch it next time.
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/pdf/finalreport.pdf
Jer
Jer it's RECYCLED, and it HAS a BUNCH of blacked out spots
March 26, 2009 - 20:52 ET by upcountrywaterSorry Jer, You are right !
You Do have one RECYCLED report from Janet Reno's office.
As if that's unbiased.. It's loaded with links like this
P.R.I.N.T. Money 30 sec YT
ucw...Danforth: Reno's puppet?
March 26, 2009 - 20:55 ET by JerThanks for the apology.
However, let me get this straight: You contend that John Danforth, a Republican and an ordained Episcopal priest, is in fact nothing more than the biased "puppet of Janet Reno", while Coulter and The World Socialist website are paragons of objectivity.
Excuse me, but to borrow a phrase from bigtimer...I've got other things to do.
Jer
Jer, I thought you get a kick out of the World Socialist site.
March 26, 2009 - 21:12 ET by upcountrywaterHere is some additional things.
Dang Jer, I made a mistake in regards to Danforth.
here is some interesting stuff:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/waco/waco344.html
Johnston, the only person prosecuted as a result of Danforth’s $17
million investigation, admitted he removed pages from his notes before
certifying to the Justice Department that he had turned over all
materials he had relating to the controversial Branch Davidian case.
He admitted he failed to turn over his
personal notes that Danforth’s investigators said revealed Johnston knew
at least by 1994 that the FBI used tear-gas devices capable of sparking
a fire on the final day of the government standoff with David Koresh and
his apocalyptic followers.
So Ann is right!
P.R.I.N.T. Money 30 sec YT
~Jer
March 26, 2009 - 21:14 ET by choselife3xto borrow a phrase from bigtimer
Don't forget to put that back where you found it when you're done.
:-O
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
Always Good for a Laugh
March 27, 2009 - 07:18 ET by kilrodYore always good for a laugh jer. I did'nt mention Coulter or Limbaugh, i quoted yore "unproven allegations", see my post. As in, either prove your allegations are i will have to assume you are spreading "unproven allegations" which would make you "somewhat" hypocritical in accuseing anyone else of useing "unproven allegations". Anyway, Thanks for the Grins.
(GRINS) kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
What?
March 26, 2009 - 11:52 ET by cvgbuckeyeR D Helm:
Your last post was 100% accurate;;;;;until the last line!
How did Bush
March 25, 2009 - 21:28 ET by general companyExceed his powers?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I don't know. But I heard it
March 25, 2009 - 21:41 ET by balboaI don't know. But I heard it a lot, and heard people complaining about it.
OK, but just for your information
March 25, 2009 - 21:51 ET by general companyGlobal warming is a hoax as well, as I know you have also heard a lot about it as well. Coincidently enough, from the same people
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Weird..
March 25, 2009 - 21:54 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. huh?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
I just find it interesting
March 25, 2009 - 21:59 ET by balboaI just find it interesting that the left's allegations are wrong, but the right's never could be.
→ bal
March 25, 2009 - 22:02 ET by Cool ArrowDo you think Congress had the Constitutional authority to retroactively tax the AIG bonuses?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
If balboa....
March 25, 2009 - 22:17 ET by dborschjr68If balboa answers that Congress did have that authority, then he/she needs to go back to Government class from High School and study the Constitution with a bit more diligence.
The answer is there, in black and white. Liberals would be more dangerous if they just did their homework.
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Gubberment class?
March 25, 2009 - 22:24 ET by Sergeant ROCKSurely you jest? This ain't the 18th or 19th Century you know?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Sgt ROCK...
March 25, 2009 - 23:09 ET by dborschjr68Hm. If only it was the 18th century- DC would look nothing like it looks today. It would be full of promise and hopes and the power of the people to govern themselves. Oh, and lots of fellas with muskets and triangular hats.
And Sgt, don't call me Shirley.
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Cool...Probably not.
March 25, 2009 - 23:51 ET by JerProbably not. It was a knee-jerk response to public rage. That's why it is extremely dubious it will become law, and, even if it did, would be unlikely to survive Supreme Court scrutiny. Checks and balances, y'know.
Jer
That's why it is extremely
March 26, 2009 - 11:12 ET by Dan The Man 2That's why it is extremely dubious it will become law, and, even if it did, would be unlikely to survive Supreme Court scrutiny. Checks and balances, y'know.
Never underestimate the stupidity of government or the ability of the sheeple to be silent. There are plenty of "common sense" examples such as the recent emminent domain cases where a government entity takes away a private citizens property to give to another private entity.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Far to broad
March 25, 2009 - 22:11 ET by general companyI just find it interesting that the left's allegations are wrong, but the right's never could be.
An example please
Why do the libs want to investigate only the right, when it is obvious that the left is where the shady deals are. Do you think Frank, Dodd, Pelosi, Read, Murtha, and a bunch of others would still be in office if they were Repubs?
If you are asking where the double standard starts and ends, sorry it doesnt seem to these days
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Moral Equivalency
March 25, 2009 - 22:15 ET by Sergeant ROCKLiberals are always doing that. They think that if they are capable of being a scumbag, then everyone else is too. That's equality.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Yep
March 25, 2009 - 22:23 ET by general companyThey also hate giving examples because the left is so currupt
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
§ BAL!!! STER is Calling out ALL Trolls!!
March 25, 2009 - 22:47 ET by TheSterElaborate...PLEASE???
Opinion.....OR....Fact???
Wanna PLAY???
"I just find it interesting that the left's allegations are wrong, but the right's never could be."
Where do you want to begin??
Start ANYWHERE!!!
I'll play off you.
BEGIN:
Your Talking Points will come from:
MediaMatters, ThinkProgress, KOS, HuffingtonPost, MYDD, CrooksandLiars
Note: I'm Registered and Post at ALL of those SITES!! I will be able to CHECK "Cut and Paste" Statements.
I'm Ready.
Who's FIRST???
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
TheSter...
March 25, 2009 - 23:13 ET by dborschjr68Dude, and I mean this with all respect, but you are one vicious bastard, aren't you? If you were a liberal, with your mind, you'd be dangerous, indeed. Bravo, sir, bravo.
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LMAO!
March 25, 2009 - 23:27 ET by MotherI love the "With all do respect part".
-And, just because someone says they are of an affiliated 'whatever' doesn't mean they are...
In fact! I'm in the mood to brain wash someone's mind this eve. Any takers?!
ooooooooooh...I can't speak
March 26, 2009 - 03:33 ET by Jerooooooooooh...I can't speak for the other lib trolls, but I, myself, am scared sh!tless--and I don't even know what the hell you're talking about. Are you challenging us to produce any false or erroneous allegation made by the "right"?...in the past week?...year?...century? Or is the subject limited only to charges of exceeding presidential or constitutional authority...by Bush?
Until that's clarified, I don't quite know how to respond, other than to say you sound so big and tough and mean; and I can't run and hide at Kos or HuffPo or MM or C & L since you might go there and hunt me down, being that you're a member of all those libsites and (gulp!) haven't been banned.
So, in the meantime, I guess I'll just have to lurk in the NB threads, fearful and trembling...while desperately hoping not to be swept away by the "raging torrent" of your mind.
Jer
Exceeding Power
March 26, 2009 - 07:18 ET by GeneralAlOr is the subject limited only to charges of exceeding presidential or constitutional authority...by Bush .....
If President Bush was one half as bad as your pals, such as
Castro and Chavez, you would be in prison!
You now have your Communist in the White House!
As long as his teleprompter doesn't fail, he can continue to Fool the ignorant masses! Just make sure that your KGB friends like Emmanuel and Gibbs keep him from the likes of Joe "The Plumber!"
General... Why don't you
March 26, 2009 - 17:12 ET by JerGeneral...
Why don't you educate yourself before launching ignorant pre-emptive attacks? You obviously are unaware of my position on Bush's alleged extra-constitutional actions, even though I've stated it on previous occasions.
Your ludicrous assertions about my being "pals" with Castro, Chavez and the KGB--even in a theoretical sense--aren't even worthy of comment.
Jer
Here's one: Saying he does
March 26, 2009 - 09:27 ET by balboaHere's one:
Saying he does not have 'unilateral authority' to force states to comply with an international treaty, justices vote 6-3 to reject presidential order to reopen cases of foreign nationals.
"But I heard it a
March 25, 2009 - 22:27 ET by R D Helm"But I heard it a lot..."
But did you ever actually SEE it?
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
It all makes sense now..
March 25, 2009 - 22:32 ET by Sergeant ROCK"If you tell a lie often enough, people will believe it." - Adolf Hitler
(See also; Global Warming)
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Well Said, Sergeant Rock!
March 26, 2009 - 07:00 ET by GeneralAlIf you tell a lie.....
The left has been telling these lies all the way back to LBJ,
[ Lying Buying Johnson]
It has evolved from cemetery voting to destruction of the
Constitution, but no one seems to care. The prevailing attitude
is that it affects the other guy but not me, so why should I worry?
The Charter of Negative Liberties
March 25, 2009 - 21:20 ET by katainkentremember who said it? I do.
_____________________________________________________
Obama does not perform as advertised. I'd like a refund.
Taxed Enough Already.
Resolution or Revolution
March 25, 2009 - 22:04 ET by BarkerThe Supreme Court will step in and stop all this, right?
Is there any other recourse now?
The 2010 elections can't come soon enough.
SCOTUS does not step in anything
March 26, 2009 - 09:41 ET by dasherThe supreme court does not step in. Cases must be brought before them to intervene. Before the supreme court may act someone needs to bring forth a lawsuit.
"Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P.J.O'Rourke
I hope Levin emulates Obama
March 25, 2009 - 22:10 ET by waincroftand write a children's version! I'll buy 11 for my 10 grands and one great grand. Already bought three -- one for us and one for the two conservative kids. Their parents discuss what they hear in schooland try to combat that on a daily basis (Dade County) and we always talk about values and morals when they come to visit us on the other FL coast.
My Chicago step daughter is a lost cause wearing madras and driving her Escalade. Wonder if she'll trade down to green up?
Can you please visit my new website, just to get some action so my keywords and meta tags might take? Thanks! Also interested in feedback. Just a grass roots thingy.
Hope to see some of you at the Fort Myers Tax Day Tea Party.
RoundUpTheRINOs.com
Enough.
March 25, 2009 - 22:13 ET by dborschjr68Enough. No more tyranny. No more reckless spending, lack of leadership, and lies. No more spending my tax money to fund Planned Parenthood and to kill human embryos.
No more tax cheats, homosexuals, and Socialists in Congress. Enough.
The 2nd Amendment is starting to become more relevant, isn't it? It's starting to make more sense to you, isn't it?
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D Stop, think how we can really accomplish our goals
March 25, 2009 - 22:27 ET by waincroftD,
No one is more frustrated and angry than me. OK, lots of folks probably are. But we don't want to be like the other side. Look how ridiculous they are being on TV and in the news. Let's be thoughtful, lawful, and gain respect. Let's give all avenues a try, like civil and non violent tea parties. Writing to elected officials. And just venting here with our like kind.
I hear you but please, keep your cool. We need to be respected in our protest and reaction. I'm not sure such anger, although I can sure understand it, will help us make gains in combatting this evil.
Yes, it is important to keep the 2nd A intact. Load some blanks and go out and shoot some no shooting or trespassing signs in uninhabited areas! Works here in FL.
Your friend with safety on at all times,
W
RoundUpTheRINOs.com
waincroft...
March 25, 2009 - 22:59 ET by dborschjr68(Thanks to CKA for these quotes!)
"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit
it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can
exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their
revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."--Abraham Lincoln
Waincroft, what's thoughtless, lawless, or disrepectful about any of the above quotes? If you can give me a legitimate answer, I will reconsider my anger towards this government as it is today.
Also, consider this my way of "venting". (I received your PM) Your concern, while thoughtful, is extremely misappropriated. I'm one of the sanest people I know.
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Ahh
March 25, 2009 - 23:36 ET by general companyI'm one of the sanest people I know.
But thats what we all say. : ]
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I's so sick of these M-Fers
March 25, 2009 - 23:29 ET by MotherRotting out the sewage system of our current gov [both Left and right] is high time.
Round 'em up rawwwwwww hide. lol
Don't try to understand
March 25, 2009 - 23:59 ET by JerDon't try to understand 'em...
Just rope, and throw, and brand "em.... RawwwHIIIIDDE!
Giddy-up,
Jer
Mother, you are sooooooooooooo right.
March 26, 2009 - 00:13 ET by R D HelmIt seems many think that it was the dems alone who have pushed us to the edge of the financial abyss.
They couldn't have gotten us here without a whole lotta help from the republicans.
So, the train wreck happens one week later with the republicans in charge.
LOL-What, exactly, is the difference?
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Boy Howdy!
March 26, 2009 - 00:00 ET by bigtimerThe Great One Speaks...is anyone really listening out there...does anything sink in?
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
There is a reason why Mark
March 26, 2009 - 01:07 ET by Sabre16There is a reason why Mark Levin is known as "The Great One"
Is it because "The Barely
March 26, 2009 - 03:44 ET by JerIs it because "The Barely Mediocre One" wouldn't fit on his monogrammed lapels?
Jer
Jer,
March 26, 2009 - 06:10 ET by AgnosticNot necessarily in defense of Mark Levin since I don't know that much about him but how does one equate mediocrity to someone who is a successful writer of books and lecturer when so many people were contorting themselves into pretzel logic to equate a successful autobiographer and inexperienced politician with no real accomplishments into one of the greatest presidential candidates of all time. Now these same people are continuing to ‘bend the graph’ in order to project the actions, not to be confused with accomplishments, of President Obama into greatness.
It seems to me that the bar for greatness is low enough that someone with a long career of successful accomplishments would easy hurdle the bar set by so many today.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
Thank You
March 26, 2009 - 08:55 ET by NoMoreChange....when so many people were contorting themselves into pretzel logic to equate a successful autobiographer and inexperienced politician with no real accomplishments into one of the greatest presidential candidates of all time. Now these same people are continuing to ‘bend the graph’ in order to project the actions, not to be confused with accomplishments, of President Obama into greatness.
Made my day. Just this morning I read of someone comparing Obama to Alexander the Great. When will the madness end?
I can't wait to read Mark's book.
Agnostic... I thought the
March 26, 2009 - 16:58 ET by JerAgnostic...
I thought the joking nature of my comment about Levin was self-evident. Gotta remember to use those emoticons.
Actually, although I don't often agree with "The Great One" and his voice gives me the chalk-scraping-a-blackboard creeps, Mark definitely possesses a first-rate intellect.
Jer
~Jer
March 26, 2009 - 18:02 ET by choselife3xI've tried to listen to Levin twice, does he always shout like that? I can't take that for very long, whether I agree or not.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
No...Levin's hectoring
March 26, 2009 - 18:15 ET by JerNo...Levin's hectoring fulminations are sometimes modulated into a protracted, nasal whine.
Jer
No Constitutional Authority
March 26, 2009 - 05:48 ET by ICONIC FREEDOMThere's no Constitutional Authority to declare god as part of government, but that doesn't stop Levin from trying to take ownership of the nation by invoking such subjective idealism onto it.
Levin does not understand liberty and freedom if he is making invocations that the nation must follow deep religious philosophy to the exclusion of any one else's "beliefs".
You're inherently NOT FREE when you are bound to a dogma, indoctrination or any other source outside yourself which creates limits.
You can argue, "Well what about the Constitution and the bounds of that?" - the Constitution seeks FREEDOM not the limiting of CHOICE of the individual human being. Changes to the Constitution with regard to women's right to vote and slavery are...CREATING FREEDOM
Every time Levin or any other politician attempts to make "claim" about the nation and religiosity, they are attempting to take ownership by which to force religious beliefs onto society and thereby attempt to create laws that reflect their religious belief systems. It couldn't be MORE ANTI-AMERICAN.
IF,
March 26, 2009 - 06:43 ET by AgnosticI am no advocate for religion in anything but there is a huge difference between the acknowledgement of religious tenets being infused into the government and supporting the use of religion as a part of government.
There is a difference between the acknowledgement of religion as part of the founding of our nation and the acceptance that we must be ruled by God.
There is also a difference between someone saying that they believe we would all be better off if we followed a preferred god and that person saying governing rules should change in order to follow said god. While I won’t speak for Mark Levin most religious conservatives speak to the acknowledgement of religion in the founding of our nation and its laws. They also speak as believers in their faith and its ability to make the world better but never have I heard one say that the laws of the nation should be changed to advocate for God.
There is a difference between personal freedom and societal freedom. Personal freedom allows you to govern yourself. Societal freedom allows you to govern yourself within the boundaries of acceptable societal norms. If you personal choice is to opt to follow a religion you are free to do so and no less free regardless of the restrictions placed on you by the religion – You made the choice to follow that religion. This is not true in all nations and to a certain degree you could say the family and peer pressure makes this difficult in the US but that would be admitting that it is societal pressure not personal choice that is influencing your decisions. If you make the decision to not follow a religion that is also a choice but you still have not left the society and are still bound by the acceptable societal norms.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
"Every time Levin or any
March 26, 2009 - 07:09 ET by ckc1227"Every time Levin or any other politician attempts to make "claim" about the nation and religiosity, they are attempting to take ownership by which to force religious beliefs onto society and thereby attempt to create laws that reflect their religious belief systems. It couldn't be MORE ANTI-AMERICAN."
One problem with your argument.....as is typical amongst libs, it's made up. And by the way, Mark is Jewish.
Some Founding Fathers disagree with you, rightly so.
March 26, 2009 - 23:01 ET by CKA in Red State USA"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ! For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." - Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia House of Burgess, May 1765
"It is impossible for the man of pious reflection not to perceive in it [the Constitution] a finger of that Almighty hand which has been so frequently and signally extended to our relief in the critical stages of the revolution." James Madison, Federalist Papers, No. 37, Jan. 11, 1788
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams, address to the militry, Oct. 11, 1798
Premier Teleprompter Messiah
March 26, 2009 - 06:44 ET by GeneralAlLong ago I heard this saying:
"You can trust Communists........to be Communists!"
I believe the proof is in the pudding, or in this case, the White House!