We all had the opportunity for some real political fun this week when Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama contradicted each other in the CNN/YouTube debate. If you did not already see it, one of the YouTube questioners asked the candidates whether they would be willing to meet with the leaders of rogue nations, without preconditions, during their first year in office. Obama answered that he would. Clinton answered that she would not.
Those are differing positions, right? Diametrically opposed, actually? Well, maybe not, or at least not according to Jonathan Alter of Newsweek. In his July 27 article "Talking to Dictators," Alter wrote: "[o]n the substance, their views are almost indistinguishable." Indistinguishable?
Alter's surprising conclusion comes after his own summary of the post-debate fracas between Clinton and Obama:
Over the next three days, hostilities escalated. After first sending out an aide to “clarify” what he meant (a sure sign he thought he had lost the exchange), Obama decided to use the moment to reiterate his position. It’s arrogant, he said, for a U.S. president to view his presence at a meeting as a reward for good behavior, and his refusal to meet as punishment. And no matter what you do, there’s always propaganda from the other side. Hillary, sensing a chance to reinforce the experience gap, called Obama’s position “naive.”
This, in turn, gave Obama an opening to prove that he can counterpunch—something Democrats are desperate for their candidates to do more often. It was especially important for Obama to show he was not “Obambi,” and he seemed to relish the chance. But he may have overreached in referring to Hillary’s approach as “Bush-Cheney lite,” and not just because he delivered it too harshly. In 2000, John McCain ran into trouble in the critical South Carolina primary in part by comparing his opponent, Gov. George W. Bush, to President Bill Clinton, the incumbent and a loathed figure inside the GOP. The move backfired. Republican primary voters didn’t like seeing one of their own compared to the hated incumbent of the other party. Today’s Democratic primary voters no doubt feel the same.
Hillary took quiet but effective umbrage at the “Bush-Cheney lite” line and scored with a passive-aggressive shot at Obama for betraying the “politics of hope.” This was part of her strategy of trying to turn Obama into a hypocrite every time he says something critical.
Alter managed to compliment both candidates following the war of words, calling Clinton "calm and mature," while describing Obama as having "reinforced his image as a sharp break from the status quo, which Democrats want." Alter declared that Clinton probably prevailed in the short term, but that Obama's favorable impression will linger through the campaign.
So what exactly is going on here? The two leading Democratic candidates contradict each other, then trade verbal barbs for three days, but yet they're both sly politicians with "indistinguishable" positions? Is Alter reporting the news, or is he trying to keep the peace among the Democrats? Or, as Mark Finkelstein asked in a prior post, is Alter trying to preserve Obama's potential as a vice presidential candidate, notwithstanding the heated exchange?
After carefully explaining away any discontent within the Democratic party, Alter then turned his attention to Republican candidate Mitt Romney, tagging him as a demagogue for comparing Obama to Neville Chamberlain. By Alter's analysis, Clinton and Obama would be fabulous diplomats while Romney (and by extension, all the Republican candidates) would be out-of-touch.
"[Clinton and Obama] both echo the line of John F. Kennedy (actually Ted Sorensen, now an Obama man) that “we must not negotiate out of fear—or fear to negotiate.” Hillary has said repeatedly that she would talk to adversaries, and Obama made it clear that he would do the requisite diplomatic spadework before rushing into meetings. Both would take a page from former secretary of State James Baker and open talks with Syria, Iran and other rogue states.
Not the Republican candidates. They all apparently feel Baker is wrong and Bush is right—no talks. Introducing a note of demagoguery, Romney went so far as to compare Obama to Neville Chamberlain, the British prime minister who flew to Munich in 1938 to appease Adolf Hitler. No Republicans objected. Their game—which they will play whomever the nominees turn out to be—is to position Republicans as Churchillian (Rudy Giuliani does this explicitly) and Democrats as appeasers. Munich is an old meme in American politics (Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan all used it). But it is especially inappropriate today.
You have to give Alter the "making lemons into lemonade" award on this one. The two leading Democrats argue opposite sides of the same issue, but it's the Republican Party that has it wrong.
—Jason Aslinger is a private practice attorney in Greenville, Ohio.















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Helen Thomas is Jonny Alter Talking English
July 27, 2007 - 23:52 ET by Lame CherryPerfect example of how Helen Thomas hammered Tony Snow today while explaining the Gonzales lynching was told by Thomas "if he was speaking English".
but here is Alter doing far worse and one of Helen's own.....but at least both propagandists agree that Republicans are at fault.
I still say that Bush needs to like Reagan put in a good behavior rule with penalties........if Thomas can not be civil, replace her carcase with some Dan Rather tartie doll to gather dispatches until Helen pays a fine of $5000 bucks to the Diabled Vets.
That White House is American property and I want these squatter reporters to have to pay rent for office space........or I want a free room at the White House for myself.
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Spinning Wheel Got To Go 'Round
July 28, 2007 - 00:04 ET by stratmanInteresting article.
Tonite on the PBS show McLaughlin Group, Elanor Clift parroted this precise talking point concerning Clinton and Obama not disagreeing.
I wonder who copied from whom.
Regardless, pure spin.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
Inappropriate?
July 28, 2007 - 04:40 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsHillary says 'black' Obama says 'white'.
Cantcha see it's all the same?
With a 'D' after their name it's all good. Never a misstep.
Oh, and this quote from Jonathan Alter : "Munich is an old meme in American politics (Lyndon Johnson, Richard
Nixon and Ronald Reagan all used it). But it is especially
inappropriate today." Was that inappropriate when Keith Ellison (D Minnesota) used an event from the same timeline to bash Bush?
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I don't support our liberals or their mission.
Munich is an old meme in
July 28, 2007 - 06:58 ET by sublight68Munich is an old meme in American politics (Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan all used it). But it is especially inappropriate today.
"Inappropriate today"! The comparsion couldn't be more appropriate. Let's just talk with the facists, give them whatever they want and hope they'll end their aspirations of global domination (or at least leave our part of the world alone). No, no comparison whatsoever.
On a related note, it's intersting that the Munich comparison is quickly brushed aside as demagougery, but shouting "Vietnam" and "quagmire" at every opportunity is spot-on.
I never read Newsweek...
July 28, 2007 - 08:51 ET by ThisnThat.. but, I read this article and this Alter person is a real jerk. I really take exception to this comment "And anyone who thinks the United States has the stature to demand that foreign leaders renounce their threatening and stupid views before meeting with us is living in a dream world". Alter is saying that the U.S. is a weak nation with no credibility, and that we don't have the moral authority to be leaders of the free world. How does this garbage get into a rag like Newsweek? And why isn't Alter dismissed on the spot?
He also said "They now realize that all those years of not talking to the Palestinians didn’t bring them much. (Witness how often Prime Minister Olmert has met recently with Prime Minister Abbas)." Once again, Alter thinks history starts when he says so. Is Alter suggesting that Israel should have had tea and bisquits with Arafat, who wanted to destroy Israel? And that everything would be different now if that had happened? Doesn't Alter remember all the failed attempts after Israel had met with Arafat? These failed attempts included our mis-guided assumption that we could reason with a murderer. The current success is only because President Bush refuses to negotiate with murderers, Mr. Alter, and you should come out and say so instead of trying to "alter" history.
Dr. Doolittle
July 28, 2007 - 08:54 ET by allanfI guess Obama is the Doctor Dolittle of dictators. He can talk to the animals, walk with the animals .....
I'm anxious to learn more about the Kennedy, Johnson and Carter meetings with Castro, and Kim Il Jung. I missed those.
As for Newsweek, the Democrats have no better mouthpieces than Alter and Clift. I think Newsweek should as the DNC to pick up their salaries.
Jason
July 28, 2007 - 17:37 ET by botgthe story continues
Hillary Clinton's campaign on Saturday accused Barack Obama of waffling
seems the campaigns can distinguish
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