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Melissa Harris-Perry: Pilgrims Were Illegal Immigrants, Indians 99 Percenters

By Jack Coleman | November 26, 2011 | 09:34

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Did you know the Pilgrims were not only illegal immigrants, but part of that reviled economic elite known today as the one percent? At least according to Tulane professor and MSNBC contributor Melissa Harris-Perry.

Here's Harris-Perry on Al Sharpton's radio show earlier this week reaching for new heights in revisionism (audio) --

SHARPTON: Give me your idea of the kinds of things people ought to deal with this Thursday when their families and friends get together.

HARRIS-PERRY: You know, it's an interesting question. I've been thinking a lot about Thanksgiving and the moment that we're in because, you know, our economic crisis right now is highly tied to the European economic crisis and so I was thinking about kind of what is that first Thanksgiving when these illegal immigrants from Europe come over and are fed by the people of the actual Americas, the Native and indigenous people, you know, here on this land, that they are trying to escape religious prosecution and persecution in Europe and then you have the Europeans basically calling them dirty, no good, worthless, basically 99 percenters, right? And all of that is now playing out in a different way as we see the 99 percent pushing back against this idea that the elites are the only one that deserve to have a Thanksgiving dinner. All of that.

Once again, that was Tulane University, for you parents of soon-to-be college age children. Consider yourself warned.

Harris-Perry is not alone in her take on the Pilgrims as illegals scurrying surrepitiously into America. That's also how they were depicted on the cover of this week's New Yorker.

But such a premise begs the question -- were the Pilgrims actually here illegally?

Apparently not to those who would have had a basis for making this claim -- the Native Americans who lived in southeastern Massachusetts. In fact, their leader, Wampanoag sachem Massasoit, agreed to a treaty with the Pilgrims in March 1621, just three months after the English colonists landed at an abandoned Indian village whose inhabitants had been decimated by smallpox.

Peace between Pilgrims and Wampanoag would endure for more than a half-century, until King Phillip's War in 1675, when their grown children could not resolve the differences between them.

The pact between the Pilgrims and Indians was based on pragmatic self-interest for both sides, according to Nathaniel Philbrick's 2006 book "Mayflower: A Story of Courage, Community, and War" --

Without Massasoit's help, the Pilgrims would never have survived the first year, and they remained steadfast supporters of the sachem to the very end. For his part, Massasoit realized almost from the start that his own fortunes were linked to those of the English. (in defending his tribe from native foes). In retrospect, there is a surprising amount of truth in the tired, threadbare story of the First Thanksgiving.

But the Indians and English of Plymouth Colony did not live in a static idyll of mutual support. Instead, it was fifty-five years of struggle and compromise -- a dynamic, often harrowing process of give and take. As long as both sides recognized that they needed each other, there was peace. The next generation, however, came to see things differently.

Harris-Perry's glib analogy wasn't the only dubious take on Thanksgiving from our liberal friends this week. Another came from Huffington Post blogger Richard Schiffman, who criticized Rush Limbaugh in a post titled "The Truth About Thanksgiving: What They Never Taught You in School" --

The popular talk radio host blames the Pilgrim's communal work ethic and equal sharing of the fruits of their labors for the colony's rocky first year in which half of the one hundred settlers perished of starvation and disease.

(Quoting Limbaugh) "The most creative and industrious people had no incentive to work  any harder  than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personal motivation!"

The tide turned, according to Rush, when the colony's governor, William Bradford, assigned a private plot of land to each family, thereby setting loose the beneficient powers of the marketplace in the People's Republic of Plymouth Rock.

This revisionist history is greeted with bemusement by professional historians.

That link to "professional historians" leads to a New York Times story by tea-party basher Kate Zernike, headlined "The Pilgrims Were ... Socialists?"

Interesting parallel between Schiffman's post and Zernike's article -- neither one cites from "Of Plymouth Colony," the remarkable and authoritative journal written by William Bradford, the Pilgrim leader who provided every family with a plot of land three years after the colonists came to America and were still struggling.

Prior to departing from England, the Pilgrims signed a contract with their financial backers. Every person age 16 and older would invest 10 pounds in money or other provisions, Bradford wrote, and "be accounted as having 20 pounds in stock and in the division shall receive a double share."

The contract lasted seven years, "during which time all profits and benefits that are got by trade , traffic, trucking , working, fishing, or any other means of any other person or persons, remain still in the common stock until the division."

Not only that, Bradford wrote, but "all such persons as are of this colony are to have their meat, drink, apparel, and all provisions out of the common stock and goods of the said colony." Once the agreement expired, the "capital and profits" were to be equally divided "betwixt the Adventurers" -- their backers in England -- "and Planters," the Pilgrims.

That first Thanksgiving in the fall of 1621 provided a brief respite from the harrowing difficulties facing the fledgling colony. Two years later it was barely surviving, Bradford wrote --

It may be thought strange that these people should fall to these extremities in so short a time ... many sold away their clothes and bed coverings; others (so base where they) became servants to the Indians, and would cut them wood and fetch them water for a capful of corn; others fell to plain stealing, both night and day, from the Indians, of which they grievously complained. In the end, they came to that misery that some of them starved and died with cold and hunger. One in gathering shellfish was so weak as he stuck fast in the mud and was found dead in the place. At last most of them left their dwellings and scattered up and down in the woods and by the watersides, where they could find ground nuts and clams, here six and there ten. ...

Bradford describes the end of the "Common Course and Condition" --

So they began to think how they might raise as much corn as they could, and obtain a better crop than they had done, that they might not still thus languish in misery. At length, after much debate of things, the Governor (with the advice of the chiefest amongst them) gave way that they should set corn every man for his own particular, and in that regard trust to themselves; in all other things to go on in the general way as before. And so assigned to every family a parcel of land, according to the proportion of their number ...

The results?

This had very good success, for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been by any means the Governor or any other could use, and saved him a great deal of trouble, and gave far better content. The women now went willingly into the field, and took their little ones with them to set corn; which before would allege weakness and inability; whom to have compelled would have been thought great tyranny and oppression.

The experience that was had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years and that amongst godly and sober men, may well evince the vanity of that conceit of Plato's and other ancients applauded by some of later times; that the taking away of property and bringing in community into a commonwealth would make them happy and flourishing; as if they were wiser than God.

For this community (so far as it was) was found to breed much confusion and discontent and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For the young men, that were most able and fit for labour and service, did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense. The strong, or man of parts, had no more in division of victuals and clothes than he that was weak and not able to do a quarter the other could; this was thought injustice. The aged and graver men to be ranked and equalized in labours, victuals, clothes, etc., with the meaner and younger sort, thought it some indignity and disrespect unto them. And for men's wives to be commanded to do service for other men, as dressing their meat, washing their clothes, etc., they deemed it a kind of slavery, neither could many husbands well brook it. Upon the point of all being to have alike, and all to do alike, they thought themselves in the like position, and one as good as another; and so, if it did not cut off those relations that God hath set amongst men, yet it did at least much diminish and take off the mutual respects that should be preserved amongst them. And would have been worse had they been men of another condition. Let none object this is men's condition, and nothing to the course itself. I answer, seeing all men have this corruption in them, God in his wisdom saw another course fitter for them.

Before Bradford ended the "common course and condition," the Pilgrims planted 26 acres in 1621 and 60 acres in 1622. After the families began working their own plots of land, the Pilgrims planted 184 acres, according to Bellevue University economist Judd W. Patton. A year later, Patton writes, the Pilgrims were exporting corn.

Suffice it to say, Bradford's finely observed account of what saved the Pilgrims isn't talked about much at the Huffington Post, New York Times, or Occupy protests.

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Ummm, Ms Harris-Perry

Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 9:54am.

How did being the 99% work out for the Indians?

Also, does she know that there was already an established colony in Virginia, for a decade before Plymouth?

President Obama is a Muslim (from his own lips), Kenyan (read it from his publicist) a homosexual (read it on a news magazine cover) and a Socialist (I'm alive and can see it for myself)
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For that matter

Submitted by mustango on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 10:36am.

How did embracing all those "illegal immigrants" work out for them?

Heck, the fate of the native tribes here can be a cautionary tale against liberal policy on a lot of fronts. How about, for example, giving up land for peace?

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Another sad lesson for them

Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 4:37pm.

No military R&D and always having to use 2nd generation weaponry. Oh, and more importantly, thinking any politician will keep their word.

President Obama is a Muslim (from his own lips), Kenyan (read it from his publicist) a homosexual (read it on a news magazine cover) and a Socialist (I'm alive and can see it for myself)
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I was thinking along those

Submitted by Dave81 on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 9:59am.

I was thinking along those lines. Sounds like the Native Americans needed to be a little tougher on illegal immigration. ;)

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I understand the various tribes voted down

Submitted by Jer on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 6:54pm.

a proposed twelve-foot high "Wall of Evil Spirits" spanning the entire eastern seaboard as not being cost effective.

Jer

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Harris-Perry shows her ignorance of history

Submitted by Galvanic on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 5:27pm.

"HARRIS-PERRY: You know, it's an interesting question. I've been thinking . . . "

And that's where she got into trouble.  Few things get pundits in trouble quicker than when they draws historical analogies when they don't understand history.

She sounds like a twit.

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Geezus...I feel like such a sucker sometimes.

Submitted by NeoKong on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 10:08am.

Why do I get up and go to work when all I have to do is go on MSNBC and spew these ridiculous envy and jealousy filled rants as some overpaid identity politics serial complainer to some other envious and jealousy filled, identity politics race hustling con man, serial complainer....?

I could do that.

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Another....

Submitted by adamsmith on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 10:12am.

one of Lenin's "Useful Idiots"....Everything with her is Afro-Centric Brainwash BS. The racism she believes is all around her is really just yellow,red and white people not wanting to deal with people who either cannot or will not integrate. Ghetto life only sells to teenagers. By their 20's most people want to improve themselves and their lives. And the blacks remain on the Democrat Master's Plantation. Selling their liberty for a monthly check...........

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You can't fix stupid!

Submitted by Curly on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 10:18am.

General Honore defined her with that statement!

Curly
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Only the elitists???

Submitted by Dave81 on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 10:35am.

"...this idea that the elites are the only one that deserve to have a Thanksgiving dinner." What?!? Since when did personal accountability and anti-entitlement turn into "only elitists deserve to have a Thanksgiving dinner?" I can just see all the 1% going around, knocking on the doors of the rest of the country to make sure they're not enjoying turkey and stuffing, because that's only for elitists!
And a month from now, the 1% are going to keep their Proletariats at work on Christmas while their poor crippled children starve at home so that the elitists can enjoy time off with their family, because only elitists deserve to celebrate Christmas too you know.

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WHY

Submitted by ROSSMAN on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 10:38am.

HER LISP is so annoying. She is a FEMALE DYSON. Her hairstyle is also annoying!!

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I'm waiting for Xmas

Submitted by zenman1661 on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 11:05am.

where she will call the Grinch a one percenter and the people in Whoville the 99 percenters.

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she must have sat up all night...

Submitted by wizardjr on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 11:08am.

with a handful of illegal drugs and a bottle of Val-U-Rite vodka to get to that. I mean, how does a sane, rational person.... ooops, never mind.

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Wiz, I don't think she'd spend that much money.

Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 12:18pm.

I do believe this person probably got where she is by huffing oven cleaner, or maybe toilet bowl cleaner.

To re-elect Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again.
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Ignore Her

Submitted by Kleenex on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 12:27pm.

Lefties are constantly revising history to meet their talking points of the day. She omits the fact that there weren't even any laws yet at that time. How can anything or anyone be illegal without a law? There weren't even Americans yet, just British, French, Spanish, Dutch and Russians. A real historian would study events in the context of time in which they occurred, but she seems incapable of that. She's just another lefty mixing today's slogans with events that aren't even connected. If it weren't for MSNBC no one would even know who she is.

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I still want to know what happened to Mr. – Lacewell.

Submitted by SickofLibs on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 12:34pm.

No body has ever been found.

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These mind numbed liberals go on these shows to do

Submitted by gmaniac1 on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 12:40pm.

nothing more than play catch with each other on their radical ideas of America. Seriously, if it sucks so bad here friggin leave numnuts!!!

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and yet nowhere have I heard comment..

Submitted by Insane Chipmunk on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 12:42pm.

...about the Obama's spread for thanksgiving. SIX types of pie? How many 99%ers have that?

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Does anyone else see a non

Submitted by Kenny Bunkport on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 12:45pm.

Does anyone else see a non sequiter trying to pose as a analogy?

At best, I'd say Harris-Perry is mixing her metaphors. Pilgrims as illegal aliens and Indians as 99%ers? That would mean that current illegal aliens are the 1%. I can make a lot of accusations about illegals, but controlling Wall Street is not one of them.

As far the Pilgrims being illegal aliens (that being hard hard to define, since there were hundreds of independent "governments" in the New World at that time). If I'm not mistaken, the 17th century "illegals" eventually destroyed the "native" way of life. Do they really want to equate Pilgrims with illegal aliens? That's an argument AGAINST letting illegals in. I'm thinking that liberals kind of miss the deeper meaning in their zest for imagery.

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Great points, Kenny

Submitted by Galvanic on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 4:38pm.

Further evidence that she didn't think this out. It's common for "progessives" like her not to be able to square the circle. Their concepts of social justice and wealth creation are self-contradictory.

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Hey!

Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 12:48pm.

Melissa, if you will go 'back' to 'your' homeland, like YOU are advocating others do, I'll go 'back' to mine. But only if 'your kind' (liberal loons) stays away!

Americans keeping their own earnings is a Civil Right! Demand your Civil Rights!
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Analogy fail

Submitted by LinTaylor on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 12:53pm.

So what she's saying is, illegal immigrants are the bad guys?

And how can the Native Americans be considered the 99% when they had an entirely different concept of wealth from European standards, and probably considered themselves quite wealthy indeed to have the abundant bounty provided by the land around them? Especially when the 99% are busy using their iPads and $1000 laptops to rail against greed and materialism.

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Scrooge was a one percenter

Submitted by eaglewingz08 on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 1:44pm.

Scrooge was a one percenter elitist who did not celebrate xmas and if Thanksgiving had been a British holiday he wouldnt have celebrated that either. But the 99% family with Tiny Tim celebrated the holiday and would also have celebrated Thanksgiving too. So tis just devastates the lie that only one percenters should celebrate these holidays.

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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Submitted by liberalsarefunny on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 1:50pm.

You gotta admit--they're funny!!

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They're just not very bright are they?

Submitted by ant on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 2:03pm.

As Kenny, Lin Taylor, and others have said already, her stupid analogy would make illegals the 1% and makes a comparison the left really doesn't want, that of invasion and conquest by the illegals. Of course, she's still working out the details, I'm sure, because she came up with this idea all by her lonesome. Nothing to do with a New Yorker cover with the same theme, that's just a coincidence. Can't wait to see how many other 'journolists' come up with this same idea through the workings of their feeble, little minds.

Harris-Perry is a professor? And Kate Zernike is a historian? Well....I guess, in a world where Obama is a genius....I guess that makes me Teddy Roosevelt. I don't know, I'm just a little dazed because the Koch Brothers kicked in my door Thursday and stole my Thanksgiving dinner.

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Ant, Noticed the theme

Submitted by Kenny Bunkport on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 2:53pm.

Ant,

Noticed the theme myself. Liberals are notorious for picking up their argument of the moment and trying to make it viral before common sense sets in. They're just like little kids who think they have an "brilliant insight" and can't wait to get a big pat on their back from teacher for their genius.

I'll bet one of your lib friends will spout the "pilgrims as illegal aliens" meme in the next few days as one of their own "deep thoughts". The beauty of NB is that you've already analyzed their point and can humiliate them on the spot.

               A gun in your hand beats a cop on the phone.
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You can bet on it.

Submitted by ant on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 3:33pm.

The individual liberals I know all recited the "Fort Hood shooter as lone crazy guy, with no ties to Islamic beliefs" meme of the week, back then. It would have been funny, if it weren't so pathetic. Which makes me wonder, how many 'illegal alien' pilgrims were working for jihad?

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Please leave

Submitted by Jerry Mack on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 2:15pm.

People such as MHP are evidently ashamed of our country. My question for them is "Why don't you leave"?

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Actually I think people like

Submitted by BcdErick on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 4:19pm.

Actually I think people like her just want attention. One thing you notice about people on TV is that if you say outrageous and offensive things you get noticed. Bad publicity is much better than no publicity.

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And now we're fresh out of Indians

Submitted by lgeubank on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 2:22pm.

Pilgrims were illegal immigrants (or at least unwelcome ones). And the Indians decided, "Oh, just let them stay. They can't cause any harm."

And we all know how well that worked out for the Indians.

Liberals want the same thing to happen to Americans.

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There were no "borders" in

Submitted by rbosque on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 2:32pm.

There were no "borders" in those days and certainly no international laws to speak of (with the exception of tribal laws). The left strike again with their twisted logic trying to prove their "rationalizations" by re-writing history.

They should have an I.Q. test before they hand out diplomas at universities. This woman's logic is embarassing this country. I hope she doesn't have a degree in history, otherwise it would really be a black-eye to Tulane's curriculum.

"It may be true that you can't fool all the people all the time, but you can fool enough of them to rule a large country"......Will Durant
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Melissa Harris-Perry: Pilgrims Were Illegal Immigrants....

Submitted by BcdErick on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 4:29pm.

A very good essay. Thanks.

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This type of nonsense will

Submitted by ThisnThat on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 4:45pm.

This type of nonsense will seep into our schools -- and nobody will notice. Except for the communists, anarchists, and progressives who are hellbent into destroying this country.

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Hummmmmm

Submitted by donabernathy on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 4:55pm.

That illegal immigration didn't work out too well for the Injuns either ... now did it Pocahontas !!!!!

roflmao

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donny

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 11:01pm.

That being given a brain thing didn't work out to well for you did it? You didn't get an instruction manual so you can't use it. Shame.

roflmao at you.

Proud member of the 53%!
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Ahhh did ya feelings get hurt

Submitted by donabernathy on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 7:13am.

the other day? Bwahahahahaha

You outta be pretty used to getting intellectually spanked. So I guess now you'll just take up stalking.

What a fool.

roflmao

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Race & Gender Expert Arrives at Tulane

Submitted by ThisnThat on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 10:51pm.

Tulane's announcement of the arrival of Melissa Harris-Perry. I just sent Tulane a message asking if the University supports the teaching of Pilgrims as illegal immigrants, and if not -- then they should immediately fire her.

And what's up with "race and gender expert", anyway? What kind of garbage curriculum is this? Here's one of the classes: GESS 495, Advanced Sexuality and Queer Theory. What a boatload of crap! College expenses keep going up, and this kind of stuff is a direct cause. 

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TnT

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 11:00pm.

And the occupiers wonder why they're unemployed after taking classes like GESS 495? Give me a kid with a vocational technical education who can DO something, like wire a house or fix a drain.

Proud member of the 53%!
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Radical

Submitted by ThisnThat on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 11:19pm.

Those types of skills don't exist anymore, apparently. Employers are even bidding up the wages -- with no takers, even in this 9% unemployment environment.

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Harris-Perry Is The Olbermann Of The University System

Submitted by rammingspeed on Sat, 11/26/2011 - 11:10pm.

This disgraceful twisting by a college professor is, unfortunately, quite prevalent. Harris-Perry is a monster, a beast in a human female form with a pretty face and a (relatively) soft voice. The hatred that drives her, warps her, is deep and strong. And ugly. She is the personification of ugliness, with her nonchalant delivery of this false analogy. My God, she is poisoning the minds of teenagers who come to her for guidance. This is pure evil.

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Illegal immigration ... pilgrims?

Submitted by LionKing on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 12:37am.

Which nation's border's did they cross illegally?

What were the immigration laws that were violated and why was there no enforcement?

LIEberals never let FACTS/TRUTH interfere with their talking-points.

 

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

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the Native Americans were not native

Submitted by dark_ds on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 2:12am.

the Native Americans were not native .. in fact they were here illegally .. the wild life here were quit upset about their arrival

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I'm surprised that this

Submitted by lesterwink23 on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 3:06am.

I'm surprised that this nimrod teaches at lowly Tulane...with her leanings she could easily teach at one of the Ivy League schools

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I looked up her picture

Submitted by panzerakc on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 5:32am.

And she really doesn't look old enough to have been at the first Thanksgiving.

But I hear they are doing wonders with Botox these days!

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Chicken/Egg?

Submitted by IrateNate on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 11:06am.

I'm confused, Ms. Liberal Hyphen-Douche. If you insist on using OWS metaphors, wouldn't the original Pilgrims be more correctly comparable to the homeless that these "99%" ass-hats chase away from their Obama-ville squatter camps?

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I wonder where SHE went to

Submitted by fatboy on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 11:08am.

I wonder where SHE went to school. THAT should be the warning for high schooler parents.

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AND THIS IS WHERE LIBERALS PICK UP WITH HISTORY...

Submitted by stage9 on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 6:16pm.

"As long as both sides recognized that they needed each other, there was peace. The next generation, however, came to see things differently."

The Pilgrims were VERY peaceful Christians. They had every reason to be. Their very survival depended upon it!

In 1623 they experienced an extended and prolonged drought. Knowing that without a change in the weather there would be no harvest and the winter would be filled with death and starvation, Governor Bradford called the Pilgrims to a time of prayer and fasting to seek God’s direct intervention. Shortly after that time of prayer and to the amazement of the Indian who witnessed the scene – clouds appeared in the sky and a gentle and steady rain began to fall. As Governor Bradford explained:

"It came without either wind or thunder or any violence, and by degrees in abundance, as that ye earth was thoroughly wet and soaked therewith, which did so apparently revive and quicken ye decayed corn and other fruits as was wonderful to see, and made ye Indians astonished to behold; and afterwards the Lord sent them such seasonable showers, with interchange of fair warm weather as, through His blessing, caused a fruitful and liberal harvest, to their no small comfort and rejoicing." 1

The drought had been broken and the fall produced an enormous harvest. In December of 1621 the Pilgrims declared a feast to celebrate the harvest. Ninety Wampanoag Indians joined them for three days of feasting, games and prayer.

It was the Indian Squanto who was so pivotal in helping forge a lasting treaty between the Indians and the Pilgrims. William Bradford described Squanto as “a special instrument sent of God for [our] good . . . and never left [us] till he died.” 2

Does this sound like a genocidal group to you?

Liberals LOVE to just outright LIE about history.

1) William Bradford, History of Plymouth Plantation (Boston: Little, Brown & Co, 1856), p. 142.
2) William Bradford, History of Plymouth Plantation (Boston: Little, Brown & Co, 1856), p. 95.

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Now if Professor Limbaugh could get the chronology straight...

Submitted by Jer on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 7:05pm.

the honest to goodness true story of the First Thanksgiving might finally emerge.

Jer

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→ Right on, Jer

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 7:12pm.

They tried socialism.

People got lazy

They dang near starved

Then they got into personal property ownership and things picked up real fast.

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Correct, Cool...

Submitted by Jer on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 7:21pm.

but the improvement came after the first Thanksgiving which had not been an occasion for the glorification of capitalism as per Rush.

Jer

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I knew by the subject line, Jeringo ---

Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 7:12pm.

that it was you taking another jab at Limbaugh.

The guy just frosts your liberal ass, don't he?

Haw.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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No, matthew...

Submitted by Jer on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 7:25pm.

it's just that I wasn't required to take a "no criticism of Limbaugh allowed" oath administered to all conservatives.

Jer

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Being a lib

Submitted by Boudin on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 7:32pm.

I doubt it would had mattered anyway

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One of the perks of not being an ideologue, Boudin...

Submitted by Jer on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 7:37pm.

freedom of thought.

Jer

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Hehe

Submitted by Boudin on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 7:51pm.

Bwhahahaha, now thats funny!

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Not really funny, Boudin...

Submitted by Jer on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 8:00pm.

but it's both liberating and exhilarating to feel no compunction about criticizing either the left or the right. Try it sometime.

Jer

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You first,

Submitted by Boudin on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 8:03pm.

!

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You're kidding, right Boudin?

Submitted by Jer on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 8:09pm.

I've already gone dozens of times. Keep up.

Jer

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Where did you go?

Submitted by Boudin on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 9:24pm.

Jer, what lib policies do you think can build us a better, more robust economy. What lib policies will help us build a more united, educated Union. Show a little courage Jer!

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Boudin - Jeringo DOES criticize the left---

Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 8:19pm.

when it brays the more egregious nonsense and insults;  from those like Maher, Malloy, and Rhodes.

And, on occasion, he may cite the talking heads who occupy MSDNC.

In other words, those liberal loons who say such nasty stuff about conservatives that even a blind deaf mute takes offense.

Ol' Jer is right there in the vanguard, then.

Attacking the blinding glimpses of the obvious and then blowing his own horn and patting himself on the back.

Ideology?

What's that?

If it is bad, it must be something spread by El Rushbo.   :o)

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Jer, we're not all sun-worshippers here, you know.

Submitted by SickofLibs on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 8:15pm.

"For the first time in my life, I felt liberated, exhilarated..."

Please promise to stay inside the fence at the nudist camp.

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Being a left leaning Democrat may well be ---

Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 7:51pm.

part of practicing 'freedom of thought'; but it also encompasses practicing a form of ideology.

 Not one of your more profound statements, Rush ragger.

MD

 

 

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One of your more lame posts, there, Jeringo, ---

Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 7:40pm.

in your ongoing diatribe against the liberal thumping Limbaugh.

While I am not a rabid Rush fan, the fact that he has gotten very rich by dishing out the truth while simultaneously p*ss*ing off liberal fools, goes a long way towards ameliorating the nastiness of the current administration and it's feckless figurehead.

Ol' Rushbo putting your panties in a wad is fun to watch, too.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Huh? Occasional shots at the leader of an opposition party

Submitted by Jer on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 8:07pm.

affects the condition of one's underwear?

In that case, Obama must have your panties tied in a Gordian knot.

Jer

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I admit that ol' purple lips manages to ---

Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 8:27pm.

piss me off no end; but that is because I see him for what he is; a lying, worthless pos that has no business being where he is.

I wear cotton underwear, not the silk panties donned by the reported associates of Obama who are on the down low. 

Appropriate, though, that you would mention Obama and panties in the same sentence; as he likely wears them as an adjunct to his mom jeans.

MD

 

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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What opposition "Party" does---

Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 11/27/2011 - 8:56pm.

Limbaugh lead?

Other than opposition to liberal dolts, that is.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Sure Jer

Submitted by ant on Mon, 11/28/2011 - 12:37am.

"Leader of the opposition Party.." You be sure to let us know when Rush starts a National healthcare ponzi scheme, pardons illegal immigrants, closes American factories, steals money from parents of disabled children on behalf of the Union-Democrat money laundering scheme, sells guns to Mexican drug cartels, insults our allies, does everything in his power to keep "American energy independence" a dirty, dirty word, goes golfing during every crisis, insults the working class, has the State Dept buy his books, wishes we were China, spends our money on campaigning, etc., etc., etc.,.........
You're just jealous that Rush works harder in 3 hours then Obama has his whole affirmative-action life.

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